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    Post  George1 on Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:06 am

    Unmanned aerial vehicles "Forpost" in the aviation of the Baltic Fleet

    Curious official material of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation of March 21, 2018 on the use of unmanned aerial vehicles "Forpost" (licensed Israeli IAI Searcher Mk 2) in the aviation of the Baltic Fleet in the Kaliningrad region. The material reported that the calculations of the unit of the Baltic Fleet UAV are learning to correct the fire of ship artillery.





    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3130909.html


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    Post  George1 on Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:32 am

    Official photo of the unmanned aerial vehicle "Orion" russia

    OOO "Kronstadt Group" distributed the official photo of the first prototype of the unmanned aerial vehicle "Orion" undergoing tests.



    On the bmpd side, we recall that the group "Kronshtadt" (St. Petersburg, which was called Transas until 2015), is part of the AFK Sistema in the development work (R & D) "Inohodets" in the development of the Orion UAV. . The created UAV belongs to the class of medium-altitude apparatus of long flight duration. It is assumed that the maximum duration of the flight will be at least 24 hours, and the ceiling - about 8000 meters.

    In October 2011, the Russian Ministry of Defense entered into a contract with the Transas company for the development of the "Inohodets" experimental design for the creation of a reconnaissance UAV with a mass of about 1 ton. In 2015, at MAKS-2015, the former president of the Transas group of companies Nikolai Lebedev said that the actual takeoff weight of the Orion UAV is 1,200 kilograms, the payload weight is 300 kilograms. According to the known data, the flight tests of the first prototype UAV "Orion" were launched in the spring of 2016.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3135974.html


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    Post  Militarov on Mon Mar 26, 2018 1:03 am

    https://samoletchik.livejournal.com/90914.html

    They released quite alot photos some months ago, some from the testings too

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    Post  jaguar_br on Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:49 pm

    Is there any plan for anarmed version of this drone (Orion)?
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:45 pm

    I believe it is intended to be armed... occasionally you see pods under the wings that look sort of weapon like, but not any weapon I recognise though they might just be sensor pods.

    The payload bay on the belly looks more for sensors like cameras or radar or other equipment.


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    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:41 pm

    Why is it that Russia can create the software to coordinate a swarm of maneuverable sea skimming supersonic AShMs in the 80s but its still impossible to create the software for a UAV to drop and LGB or shoot a kornet? Why could it create armed tank drones but not an armed UAV?
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Mar 28, 2018 4:04 am

    In many ways they already had the software... VKO MiG-23s could be guided to an interception point with ground control entering the data directly into their autopilots... no voice commands were needed... all the pilot had to do was launch the missiles after confirming the target... with a camera on board showing the ground control unit what the pilot could see they could have launched it themselves.

    The problem is that they are in no hurry to have automated murder machines like the US and UK.

    Unmanned vehicles are useful for collecting information but if you load them up with weapons you shorten their range, make operations and handling more difficult, and greatly increase the costs...

    Instead of loading them up with weapons they might or might not use it makes more sense to pair them up with armed platforms.

    Syria is a good example where artillery or bomber aircraft or cruise missile attacks benefit from up to date information from UAVs.

    They could easily make a UCAV that could carry a couple of bombs but after the first target then they need to return to base to rearm.

    When another platform delivers the weapons the recon asset can remain on station and monitor the results and call in follow up strikes if needed.


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    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:45 pm

    So basically Russia is prepared for a conventional war where UCAVs arent important, and ithe US has much lighter materials and powerful drone engines that make the predator have such long range, while Russia doesnt?
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    Post  Hole on Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:17 pm

    The Predator was a pure reconnaissance drone till some General said "Let´s put a few bombs on it, so we can kill brown people."

    Russia is developing UCAV´s: Okhotnik (20 tons) and Gonshchik (5 tons).
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:15 am

    So basically Russia is prepared for a conventional war where UCAVs arent important, and ithe US has much lighter materials and powerful drone engines that make the predator have such long range, while Russia doesnt?

    Russia could easily reduce the performance of the few drones they use operationally by adding weapons to them, but at the moment their aircraft, which are not as expensive to run as the US aircraft are simpler cheaper options to putting weapons on target when the UAVs detect the target.

    The Russians are working on a wide range of specialised weapons for UAVs to carry... likely very small guided bombs that could probably be carried in large numbers by a range of small aircraft manned or unmanned... there is just no urgency for them to be able to kill people in other countries like the US does.

    The value of looking for threats and targets is much greater than being able to shoot at anything that moves as soon as you see it.

    Unlike the US, everything the Russians attack in Syria is a hospital or a school... or a childrens hospital... so there is plenty of time to engage the targets when they need to... they are everywhere in Syria.


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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:31 am

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:Why is it that Russia can create the software to coordinate a swarm of maneuverable sea skimming supersonic AShMs in the 80s but its still impossible to create the software for a UAV to drop and LGB or shoot a kornet? Why could it create armed tank drones but not an armed UAV?

    and where Russia would use it? now perhaps in Syria and besides? US and West in general bombs civilians and sometimes even terrorists. But so far it was not priority for Russia. Yes there ar e lost of articles now about armed drones for bombing and reconnaissance . No fighter ones yet though Smile
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    Post  Hole on Fri Mar 30, 2018 12:00 pm

    Russia concentrated it´s efforts on small drones, because they are cheaper to develop and produce. And the wanted to make the reconnaissance for there artillery better. Remember, the russian army got much more artillery than NAZO.

    Gunship is also right. Predator/Reaper are mostly for the bombing of weddings/funerals/kindergartens/schools. A few years ago one guy that they are high-tech weapons for wars against head hunters. Mostly useless in a modern war with a enemy that got a decent air defence.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Mar 31, 2018 6:09 am

    Russia concentrated it´s efforts on small drones, because they are cheaper to develop and produce. And the wanted to make the reconnaissance for there artillery better. Remember, the russian army got much more artillery than NAZO.

    I don't actually agree with this... they are certainly working on some heavy drones too and spending lots of money on them, but larger drones need more development time and more work and will likely be for very specific missions that they probably don't want people to know about.

    Their needs are different from the US as well so it does make sense that they develop different systems with different capabilities and performances...

    They developed drones to reduce their costs because sending manned aircraft to do the same mission costs a huge amount of money and ties up a lot of resources when you include support systems and aircraft as well.

    The problem was that when their new drones found a target it would take time to scramble an attack force to deal with the target found, and often by the time a force was gathered and launched the target had moved on...

    The solution was to put a maverick or Hellfire or light bomb on the drone so it could engage limited targets when it spotted them.

    That meant when a target vehicle was being followed with a target in it and it met up with another vehicle with a high priority target the drone could take both vehicles out right there and then.... no waiting, no fuss.

    Part of the issue is that these drones often operated deep in enemy territory with no friendly airfields or aircraft nearby so it was hours before a proper attack package could be sent... plenty of time for both targets to disappear.

    For Russia operating a drone over Syria and having an Su-30 sitting on the airfield with a couple of dumb bombs and a few guided missiles ready to take off means perhaps 20 minutes from detection to target destruction... which is pretty good anyway.

    If you want better time then an aircraft already in the air could engage the target quicker... but most of the targets they seemed to attack were HQs... lots of radio signals coming and going from a building... or a large ammo dump, or the staging area for an attack, or a column of enemy vehicles.


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    Post  Militarov on Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:37 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:

    Check ze engine



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    Post  Militarov on Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:40 pm



    And there seems to be some attack capability availabe
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Apr 21, 2018 2:12 am

    Militarov wrote:

    And there seems to be some attack capability availabe


    Combine that helidrone with Uran-9 and you have nice little mini horror show for entrenched enemy while you sip tea at safe distance. Drones tenderize, troops mop up...

    Add some human snipers in the mix and oh boy Smile


    That fixed wing model in the back is something new, haven't seen it before, anyone have some info on it?
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    Post  TheArmenian on Sat Apr 21, 2018 2:18 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Militarov wrote:And there seems to be some attack capability availabe


    Combine that helidrone with Uran-9 and you have nice little mini horror show for entrenched enemy while you sip tea at safe distance. Drones tenderize, troops mop up...

    Add some human snipers in the mix and oh boy Smile


    That fixed wing model in the back is something new, haven't seen it before, anyone have some info on it?

    It is called KORSAR

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    Post  Vann7 on Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:30 pm

    Isos wrote:We saw what hapened to US drones near Iran or near Crimea. Not reliable technology for a conventional warefare. US trying to base their tactics, even military strategy, on it is stupid. Unless you make them totaly autonomus, they will ever be subject to hacking, jamming or destroyed by manned fighters. The worst scenario would be that they can be hacked by terrorist and used against civilians (USA are doing this too however) .

    Russia is producing them to have the technology and to help their ground forces to have instanteneous picture of battlefield. They use small cheap drone so that they can send them for 30 minutes on the enemy line and coordinate attacks. They know they won't last more than that their.

    Bigger drones have to fly high and can be spotted by any anti air system and destroyed easily before they reach their engagement zone, specially by front line pantsir, buk and Tanguskas or tor.


    Is because drones were never intended to bypass the air defenses of any modern nation.. Drones major role
    come into place because Terrorist hide in caves like afganistan, or underground bunkers like Syria whenever listen combat planes or attack helicopters near. So you send a combat plane...terrorist hide before you do anything and then bomb is wasted.. and terrorist go outside ,when no longer listen the combat plane.. With drones they use fans to make them silent.. and for very efficient continuous operation in air.. So with a drone you can have 24 hours or 36 hours non stop monitoring of terrorist positions , and do it stealthily. and when they show up , and leave their bunkers
    and show their heads.. BOOM.. target the terrorist with the bombs in the attack drone..

    So drones have its place.. it fills the gap between Combat planes and attack hellicopters , Drones are ideal for soft targets and to carry many mini bombs designed to soft targets..like terrorist. or pickup trucks.. for a fight against
    NATO drones are useless.. they only can operate in zones there are no air defenses targeting them..

    and drones also remove the risk of losing human live.. So drones have its place.. but their role is largely more
    important against Rebels and or terrorist.. Against NATO Russia will be better with an A-50 or A-100 intellignece.

    Drones can also save money ,in monitoring military bases from air non stop. If Russia had combat drones.. it will have made more harder for ISIS to hide.. and will wiped way more ISIS terrorist.

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    Post  marcellogo on Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:28 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    Is because drones were never intended to bypass the air defenses of any modern nation.. Drones major role
    come into place because Terrorist hide in caves like afganistan, or underground bunkers like Syria whenever listen combat planes or attack helicopters near. So you send a combat plane...terrorist hide before you do anything and then bomb is wasted.. and terrorist go outside ,when no longer listen the combat plane.. With drones they use fans to make them silent.. and for very efficient continuous operation in air.. So with a drone you can have 24 hours or 36 hours non stop monitoring of terrorist positions , and do it stealthily. and when they show up , and leave their bunkers
    and show their heads.. BOOM.. target the terrorist with the bombs in the attack drone..
    So drones have its place.. it fills the gap between Combat planes and attack hellicopters , Drones are ideal for soft targets and to carry many mini bombs designed to soft targets..like terrorist. or pickup trucks.. for a fight against
    NATO drones are useless.. they only can operate in zones there are no air defenses targeting them..
    and drones also remove the risk of losing human live.. So drones have its place.. but their role is largely  more
    important against Rebels and or terrorist.. Against NATO Russia will be better with an A-50 or A-100 intellignece.

    Drones can also save money ,in monitoring military bases from air non stop. If Russia had combat drones.. it will have made more harder for ISIS to hide.. and will wiped way more ISIS terrorist.
    Let's make a distinction there.
    UAV have surely their role in all type of conflict, big or small.
    Armed drones it's just another matter.
    Against even a small sized air defence they are helpless, if not supported by conventional planes.
    Same about anti-terrorism role, also in this case it's a question of scale.
    In a case like Syria/Iraq you didn't face rag-tag groups of insurgents hiding in a cave of a mountain, both large groups capable of fielding hundreds of fighters.
    When faced by air forces alone they would disperse and blend with local populace leaving just the minimum visible presence needed to keep civilians into submission.
    Against such a structure. use of armed drones could just get some pinpricks here and there but nothing substantial.
    Better use them just as a recon device in DIRECT support of ground forces, leaving rebels into get up and fight in the field, so getting all AF and artillery firepower against them or keep to stay hidden and be overrun by the advancing troops.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:57 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:

    Check ze engine



    https://www.flyrotax.com/produkte/detail/rotax-912-is-isc-sport.html

    That's twice the size of the Scheibel S-100 it draws upon.

    It is literally and S-100 doubled up.

    And do you know where Russia encountered the S-100? In Ukraine used by the OSCE mission.

    https://112.international/conflict-in-eastern-ukraine/donetsk-militants-fired-at-osce-drone-25512.html

    Good move from Russia, they went for a good engine.

    Oh BTW the S-100 can be equipped with modest AA capability.
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    Post  TheArmenian on Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:25 am



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    Post  George1 on Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:51 am

    New Russian coaxial rotor UAV by AO KumAPP during the Victory Day Parade rehearsal in Alabino.
    Still taken from 0:58 mark in the video - https://youtu.be/rmzVsWT8Ke4 Re; earlier Tweet in this thread - those are 9M120 Ataka missile launch tubes, not 9M114.



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    Post  TheArmenian on Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:45 am



    KORSAR again.
    The missile does not look like ATAKA to me.

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    Post  Isos on Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:52 am

    It is maybe hermes missilee or a fuel tank.

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