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    theking950

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    Post  theking950 on Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:22 pm

    Book. wrote:
    theking950 wrote:
    Book. wrote:Iran Israel do OTS buy. Import german italy aero motor.
    Lack true satcom feed.

    Only US China Ru do 100% local sub componet
    so why russia buy our drone if they so bad?

    Old party. Medvedev Admin. the fool
    Only buy to study

    Israel no true drone power. He cheat.
    short cut go foreign motor and sub componet (Euro-US tech)

    True drone power:
    1. Satcom 100+ orbit (for over horizn. Only US Ru China) ✓
    2. Make Aero motor ✓
    3. Eletronik + Software ✓

    Israel can only do #3. But #1-2 can no.
    So no true drone power!
    Only US Ru China do all.



    only motor is europe no europe country habe opertional drone so all components are israeli
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    Post  Book. on Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:38 pm

    theking950 wrote:
    to study? why didnt you make adrone before you buy from us?

    Ru go UAE Austria Israel drone. study cheap design
    Ru can 15 25 30 100-300 Hp 1900 Hp up engine.
    Soviet HALE drone Tu 123 shame the US RQ4. (22,000 Ibf  motor > 7000 Ibf)

    Before Ru no care drone. today now go

    theking950 wrote:only motor is europe no europe country habe opertional drone so all components are israeli

    Euro no care toy drone.
    Busy make billon++ Airbus civil plane!

    Edit Add on:
    theking950 wrote:do you have any opertional drone?
    locally made
    no when you will have then talk

    See the Ukrane Syria?

    theking950 wrote:israel have satcom only motor cant

    Israel no Top 5 satelite power. lack full cover
    Pls read book old post. I show Ru make lot Rotax killer

    Soon Ru China kill market. Israel no longer..


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    Post  Isos on Sat Jun 24, 2017 3:26 pm

    to study? why didnt you make adrone before you buy from us?

    Before Ru no care drone. today now go

    USSR was a pioneer of the drones. They just stoped reasearch in this field and to buy from Israel, who sell military systems to anyone, was the cheapest way to improve their own systems.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Jun 24, 2017 3:47 pm

    Original reason was for study but there is another reason why Russia sticks with Searcher (Forprost) drone today: they are accustomed to it and it gets the job done.

    They are developing smaller and larger drones but when it comes to category that Searcher is in (medium size reconnaissance) they are perfectly satisfied with what they got and they want to stick with what works for them.

    No need to waste time and money on reinventing the wheel. Better to focus on other types.

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    Post  theking950 on Sat Jun 24, 2017 4:54 pm

    Book. wrote:
    theking950 wrote:
    to study? why didnt you make adrone before you buy from us?

    Ru go UAE Austria Israel drone. study cheap design
    Ru can 15 25 30 100-300 Hp 1900 Hp up engine.
    Soviet HALE drone Tu 123 shame the US RQ4. (22,000 Ibf  motor > 7000 Ibf)

    Before Ru no care drone. today now go


    theking950 wrote:only motor is europe no europe country habe opertional drone so all components are israeli

    Euro no care toy drone.
    Busy make billon++ Airbus civil plane!
    do you have any opertional drone?
    locally made
    no when you will have then talk

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    Post  theking950 on Sat Jun 24, 2017 4:58 pm

    Book. wrote:
    theking950 wrote:
    Book. wrote:Iran Israel do OTS buy. Import german italy aero motor.
    Lack true satcom feed.

    Only US China Ru do 100% local sub componet
    so why russia buy our drone if they so bad?

    Old party. Medvedev Admin. the fool
    Only buy to study

    Israel no true drone power. He cheat.
    short cut go foreign motor and sub componet (Euro-US tech)

    True drone power:
    1. Satcom 100+ orbit (for over horizn. Only US Ru China) ✓
    2. Make Aero motor ✓
    3. Eletronik + Software ✓

    Israel can only do #3. But #1-2 can no.
    So no true drone power!
    Only US Ru China do all.



    israel have satcom only motor cant
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    Post  storm333 on Sat Jun 24, 2017 6:25 pm

    [quote="GarryB"]The Russian Army likely wont be interested in heavy drones... most of the heavy drones are either long range high altitude for maritime patrol for the Navy, or long range recon for the Air Force or as a disposable strike platform also for the Air Force.

    Generally the Army uses satellite information for recon and tactical missiles for strikes, so heavy UAVs or UCAVs are not so useful for them.
    How would these fair against non-static targets? It will be useful against critical infrastructure, but in the information age , with capabilities such as sensor fusions and battlefield management systems, real time intelligence is needed in order to paint a proper picture of the battle.

    In a sense the Air Force and Navy already have long range strike UAVs in the form of Kalibr and klub cruise missiles, what they lack is a returnable unmanned recon model armed or otherwise.[/quote]
    The design of UAS and subsystems such as payloads are based on mission requirements. What the air force lacks is a persistent ISTAR platform with an endurance of over 24hrs. It will always be much more efficient for a platform that is conducting surveillance of a target to be able to strike if the need be.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Jun 25, 2017 1:27 pm

    only motor is europe no europe country habe opertional drone so all components are israeli

    Drone bought and paid for by Russia and made in Russia... so all components are Russian.

    Israel spent enormous fortune developing drone technology, Russia bought that technology... much quicker and easier and cheaper (even though they were old and very expensive) than developing them completely themselves.

    Russia continues to use them because they continue to be useful.

    They spent a lot of money to buy... Israel did not give them for free, so it makes sense to get the best value for money out of them.

    It is like lend lease in WWII... the US sent thousands of trucks to the Soviets... so why would the Soviets waste money building their own trucks when they are getting some sent to them. Instead it made more sense to use the extra production capacity to make tanks that were rather better than anything the US could send and just use the US made trucks... it is not that they could not make trucks.

    do you have any opertional drone?
    locally made
    no when you will have then talk

    Don't be a dick they have dozens in service... they even film their parades and exercises with the damn things these days.

    Even the guy on the Zvezda channel that makes programmes about Russian military equipment uses UAVs for aerial camera shots.

    How would these fair against non-static targets? It will be useful against critical infrastructure, but in the information age , with capabilities such as sensor fusions and battlefield management systems, real time intelligence is needed in order to paint a proper picture of the battle.

    Traditionally it is not the Russian Armys business... deep strike missions are the role of the Air Force or Navy depending on where they might be.

    The design of UAS and subsystems such as payloads are based on mission requirements. What the air force lacks is a persistent ISTAR platform with an endurance of over 24hrs. It will always be much more efficient for a platform that is conducting surveillance of a target to be able to strike if the need be.

    You do realise that if you send four aircraft each able to operate for 6 hour periods you can also get 24 hour coverage... efficiency is amusing... how much has Americas campaign in Iraq cost it... or Afghanistan... compare with the cost to Russia in Syria and you tell be about efficiency then.

    JSTARS and UCAVs are really nice but horrendously expensive... and horrendously vulnerable to even a light jet fighter or decent SAM system.

    They seem to have shown the ability to put special forces on the front line of a conflict and call in air strikes against various fixed and mobile targets when needed... using guided missiles and also cheap old model aircraft using upgraded avionics and cheap dumb bombs.
    I realise having a multi million dollar UCAV with a multi million dollar weapons package is more efficient in terms of time, but some times you need to check the target properly, so a slow kill that is terrorists is rather better than a fast kill that might or might not be terrorists.

    Of course when your perspective is skewed it does not really matter... the US does not give a fuck who it kills, but when retaliation down the track is applied it is too dumb to learn the lesson... or it will blame Russian hackers.

    Case in point... Kosovo... led directly to Georgia invading South Ossetia, which led to massive funding and restructuring of the Russian military... who would have thought...


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    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Jun 25, 2017 2:08 pm

    theking950 wrote:
    Book. wrote:
    theking950 wrote:
    to study? why didnt you make adrone before you buy from us?

    Ru go UAE Austria Israel drone. study cheap design
    Ru can 15 25 30 100-300 Hp 1900 Hp up engine.
    Soviet HALE drone Tu 123 shame the US RQ4. (22,000 Ibf  motor > 7000 Ibf)

    Before Ru no care drone. today now go


    theking950 wrote:only motor is europe no europe country habe opertional drone so all components are israeli

    Euro no care toy drone.
    Busy make billon++ Airbus civil plane!
    do you have any opertional drone?
    locally made
    no when you will have then talk

    actually they have. All the way into the 90's they were using in house made drones by companies like Tupovlev.
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    Post  Book. on Mon Jun 26, 2017 12:14 am

    Israel the nice kid. But short cut rely West tech

    Ru no care for Israel. only care rival US drone
    Putin $10+ billon R&D drone tech 2020. Soon close gap!
    Can no rely US Euro for sensor tech.

    Ru 100% componet goal:
    Make tiny eletronik: flight control system. onboard computer. inertial nav. mini comm. softcode. gyro stab. cooling system. power unit.
    Make tiny motor: low medium high class



    OKBM soon 300 Hp 450 Hp Super Male drone motor. 2018!
    http://www.okbm.ru/products.php?type=1



    Medvedev puppet. Putin no play!  Cool
    100% Ru componet must!   thumbsup

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    Post  theking950 on Mon Jun 26, 2017 1:44 am

    Book. wrote:Israel the nice kid. But short cut rely West tech

    Ru no care for Israel. only care rival US drone
    Putin $10+ billon R&D drone tech 2020. Soon close gap!
    Can no rely US Euro for sensor tech.

    Ru 100% componet goal:
    Make tiny eletronik: flight control system. onboard computer. inertial nav. mini comm. softcode. gyro stab. cooling system. power unit.
    Make tiny motor: low medium high class



    OKBM soon 300 Hp 450 Hp Super Male drone motor. 2018!
    http://www.okbm.ru/products.php?type=1



    Medvedev puppet. Putin no play!  Cool
    100% Ru componet must!   thumbsup
    you leg behind usa in every field in uav you will never close the gap
    only the motor we import
    even china is way more develop from you in uav
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    Post  Book. on Mon Jun 26, 2017 2:03 am

    theking950 wrote:you leg behind usa in every field in uav you will never close the gap
    only the motor we import
    even china is way more develop from you in uav

    Sorry the true hurt. Israel depend US Euro tech
    Ricor Israel import US componet

    Only Big 3 do satcom, motor, eletronik (US Ru China)
    Israel rely US GPS lol. Space power? joke..










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    Post  theking950 on Mon Jun 26, 2017 2:12 am

    Book. wrote:
    theking950 wrote:you leg behind usa in every field in uav you will never close the gap
    only the motor we import
    even china is way more develop from you in uav

    Sorry the true hurt. Israel depend US Euro tech
    Ricor Israel import US componet

    Only Big 3 do satcom, motor, eletronik (US Ru China)
    Israel rely US GPS lol. Space power? joke..










    wel when you will have opertaional drone like heron tp than will talk
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    Post  Book. on Mon Jun 26, 2017 2:28 am

    theking950 wrote:wel when you will have opertaional drone like heron tp than will talk

    Israel lack secure comm. depend foreing GNSS signal
    He go US tech no shame. short cut

    US can off GPS. US can spy israel signal!
    Israel need China Beidou. Ru Glonass or can no safe.

    Ru no rush for MALE. Su 24 recon do job + Got 100+ orbit satlite!
    Soon motor ready.


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    Post  Book. on Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:47 am

    Pls no more. Only talk Ru tech
    OT last talk study

    RuAF ready shame US + Israel Male  clown
    Male drone only luxry. no hurry

    Su 35 slap US Predator. gun kill easy!


    Mig 29 slap the Israel 450 herm
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    Post  flamming_python on Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:50 pm

    MALE drones and such are wastes of time for conventional warfare.

    They're useful for when you want to waste Taliban and so on. Not really a priority for the Russian MoD and thus Russian UAV development.
    Could be good in Syria - but Russia has a dozen other ways of achieving the same thing anyway.

    Russia needs reconnaisance, artillery observation, etc... drones primarily, possibly some more exotic ones for use as EW platforms, signal relays and so on too.
    In the future, they could replace manned aircraft. But we're at least 20 years away from that.
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Mon Jun 26, 2017 6:49 pm

    flamming_python wrote:MALE drones and such are wastes of time for conventional warfare.

    They're useful for when you want to waste Taliban and so on. Not really a priority for the Russian MoD and thus Russian UAV development.
    Could be good in Syria - but Russia has a dozen other ways of achieving the same thing anyway.

    Russia needs reconnaisance, artillery observation, etc... drones primarily, possibly some more exotic ones for use as EW platforms, signal relays and so on too.
    In the future, they could replace manned aircraft. But we're at least 20 years away from that.

    Well this isn't a conventional war so there all good.

    Yea, i have been hearing that 20 year thing for 20 years now and to no avail, so long as EW exist completely replacing manned aircraft isn't gonna happen.
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    Post  TheArmenian on Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:32 pm

    Until the day when the West will start accusing Russia/Putin of hacking human pilots.
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    Post  Isos on Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:01 pm

    We saw what hapened to US drones near Iran or near Crimea. Not reliable technology for a conventional warefare. US trying to base their tactics, even military strategy, on it is stupid. Unless you make them totaly autonomus, they will ever be subject to hacking, jamming or destroyed by manned fighters. The worst scenario would be that they can be hacked by terrorist and used against civilians (USA are doing this too however) .

    Russia is producing them to have the technology and to help their ground forces to have instanteneous picture of battlefield. They use small cheap drone so that they can send them for 30 minutes on the enemy line and coordinate attacks. They know they won't last more than that their.

    Bigger drones have to fly high and can be spotted by any anti air system and destroyed easily before they reach their engagement zone, specially by front line pantsir, buk and Tanguskas or tor.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:19 am

    Of course their biggest unmanned drone was Buran...


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    Post  Book. on Mon Jul 03, 2017 11:11 am

    New Russian UAV Helicopter BPV-500 [Radar + Weapon]
    14:05 06/30/2017

    РИА Новости https://ria.ru/arms/20170630/1497598951.html

    PETERSBURG, June 30 - RIA Novosti. Multifunctional unmanned helicopter BPV-500, first presented at the International Maritime Defense Show in St. Petersburg this year, can be not only intelligence, but also shock, said in an interview with RIA Novosti CEO of the developer - "Radar MMS" - Ivan Antsev.

    "When the mass of the GSV-500 to 500 kilograms, he has a payload of 150-180 kilograms, which means it can be worn as electronics, radar, optics, radio aids, as well as the set of arms, which weight does not exceed 180 kilograms," - he said. According Antsev drone was developed this year, and the company offers its' various structures, including the Ministry of Emergency Situations, Federal Security Service, the Ministry of Defense.

    UAV configured for coaxial scheme. Main rotor diameter - 6 meters. The helicopter is able to operate in automatic and semi-automatic modes at Altitudes up - 3,500 meters. Radius - 320 kilometers, flight length - 8 hours.

    According to the company-developer, the complex can be used in a wide range of weather conditions at temperatures from -30 to +50 and the wind speed at ground level to 15 meters per second. The deployment of the complex - 50 minutes.


    Фото: Алексей Даничев/РИА Новости
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    Post  Book. on Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:56 pm

    More: Russian UAV Helicopter BPT 300, VRT-300, BPV-500










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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:49 pm


    George1 posted this on MAKS 2017 tread but we should have it here for visual reference as well:

    George1 wrote:The group "Kronstadt" presented to the MAKS-2017 unmanned aerial vehicle "Orion-E"

    Today at MAKS Kronstadt presented his drone Orion with the letter E. Premiere long-awaited, because the need to have a MALE class of its own design has long been ripe. So .... UAV of medium altitude of long duration of flight





    One more:


    And a video:


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    Post  Arctic_Fox on Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:40 am

    i've found this on Otvaga2004:
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    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Jul 29, 2017 8:39 am

    Second Altius/Altair prototype unveiled

    Arrow https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/93663/




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