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    Re: UAVs in Russian Armed Forces: News

    Post  George1 on Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:34 pm

    VLADIVOSTOK, November 17. /TASS/. Units of the Eastern Military District received 10 new unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) "Orlan-10" and "Eleron-3" in 2016, head of the district’s press service Alexander Gordeyev said on Thursday.

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    Post  Benya on Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:52 pm

    Western Military District of Russian army to receive Granat and Eleron-3 Unmanned Aerial Vehicles

    Russia’s Western Military District has received ten Granat and Eleron-3 unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) in 2016, the district’s press office said. Russian armed forces continue to extend the use of UAVs in all military units.


    Granat-1 portable reconnaissance UAV of Russian armed forces.

    "Western Military District units have received another 10 unmanned aerial vehicles, including Granat and Eleron-3 UAVs with advanced electro-optical reconnaissance modules," the press office said.

    "Officers of the UAV service have trained more than 100 specialists who are accomplishing reconnaissance tasks and searching for a simulated enemy’s targets both in the daytime and at night in all weather conditions within crews," the press office added.

    In all, Western Military District unmanned aerial vehicles have logged more than 700 flight hours in 2016.
    Over this period, UAVs took off more than 600 times both in the daytime and at night in all weather conditions.

    The unmanned aerial vehicles have enhanced the capabilities of reconnaissance units in the field and helped avoid military personnel and hardware losses in most cases.

    The Granat-1 is a portable remotely operated suveillance drone. It has a maximum take-off weight of 2.5 kg offering a payload capacity up to 0.4 kg. It can fly at a maximum speed of 120 km/h with a maximum endurance of 1.3 hours.


    Russian-made Eleron-3 reconnaissance UAV.

    The Eleron-3 is Russian-made reconnaissance UAV (Unmanned Aerial Vehicle). The Eleron-3 is a battery powered with maximum takeoff weight of 5.3 kg. It can fly at a speed from 50 to 130 km/h with a maximum cruising range of 25 km.

    The Eleron-3 has a flight endurance of up to 2 hours at an altitude from 1,500 to 5,000 meters. It is launched by throwing it and can land by flying close to the ground and shutting its engine off.

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    Another 10? I don't know what is the scale of small UAVs production, but seeing the size of these, I think that within a year, they can equip a lot, if not all reconaissance/artillery reconaissance units of a whole military district. Their range isn't much, I think that they will be issued to short-range mortar/artillery units. Most Russian artillery pieces (both towed and self-propelled howitzers and MLRS systems) have a range around/above 20-25 kilometers, so they will need a "Leer-3"/"Takhion" drone at least. MLRS regiments/brigades equipped with BM-30 "Smerch" MLRS systems will need an even longer range drone (80-100kms).
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    Post  franco on Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:57 pm

    A look at the Outpost UAV, Russian development of the Israeli Searcher MK II ;

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2354007.html

    My understanding is there will soon be 50 of these complexes, all with C3 container, radar, etc and 3 UAV's.

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    Post  theking950 on Sat Dec 31, 2016 5:37 am

    franco wrote:A look at the Outpost UAV, Russian development of the Israeli Searcher MK II ;

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2354007.html

    My understanding is there will soon be 50 of these complexes, all with C3 container, radar, etc and 3 UAV's.
    why did you pay so much for this old uav if you buy buy this
    https://scontent.fhfa2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15726736_10210617908498875_7361140991391824820_n.jpg?oh=a4be35c2022e4b4a9e82ead5db486040&oe=58D8BA90
    israel heron tp 4650 take of weight 1000 kg payload
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    Post  Militarov on Sat Dec 31, 2016 5:44 am

    theking950 wrote:
    franco wrote:A look at the Outpost UAV, Russian development of the Israeli Searcher MK II ;

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2354007.html

    My understanding is there will soon be 50 of these complexes, all with C3 container, radar, etc and 3 UAV's.
    why did you pay so much for this old uav if you buy buy this
    https://scontent.fhfa2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15726736_10210617908498875_7361140991391824820_n.jpg?oh=a4be35c2022e4b4a9e82ead5db486040&oe=58D8BA90
    israel heron tp 4650 take of weight 1000 kg payload

    At the moment when this was signed Russia required recon drones, as it operated virtually no drones whatsoever. And IAI Eitan is reaching into heavish attack drone category, also i am not sure how Israel would feel about selling it to Russia even back then.

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    Post  theking950 on Sat Dec 31, 2016 9:31 am

    Militarov wrote:
    theking950 wrote:
    franco wrote:A look at the Outpost UAV, Russian development of the Israeli Searcher MK II ;

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2354007.html

    My understanding is there will soon be 50 of these complexes, all with C3 container, radar, etc and 3 UAV's.
    why did you pay so much for this old uav if you buy buy this
    https://scontent.fhfa2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15726736_10210617908498875_7361140991391824820_n.jpg?oh=a4be35c2022e4b4a9e82ead5db486040&oe=58D8BA90
    israel heron tp 4650 take of weight 1000 kg payload

    At the moment when this was signed Russia required recon drones, as it operated virtually no drones whatsoever. And IAI Eitan is reaching into heavish attack drone category, also i am not sure how Israel would feel about selling it to Russia even back then.
    or hermes 900 is good also can atack
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xABahAVm6bA
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    Post  franco on Sat Dec 31, 2016 1:47 pm

    theking950 wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    theking950 wrote:
    franco wrote:A look at the Outpost UAV, Russian development of the Israeli Searcher MK II ;

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2354007.html

    My understanding is there will soon be 50 of these complexes, all with C3 container, radar, etc and 3 UAV's.
    why did you pay so much for this old uav if you buy buy this
    https://scontent.fhfa2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15726736_10210617908498875_7361140991391824820_n.jpg?oh=a4be35c2022e4b4a9e82ead5db486040&oe=58D8BA90
    israel heron tp 4650 take of weight 1000 kg payload

    At the moment when this was signed Russia required recon drones, as it operated virtually no drones whatsoever. And IAI Eitan is reaching into heavish attack drone category, also i am not sure how Israel would feel about selling it to Russia even back then.
    or hermes 900 is good also can atack
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xABahAVm6bA

    It was low tech. There was no way the Israeli's ,even if they had wanted too, was giving over attack or higher tech UAV's. The Outpost is higher tech then the Searcher but more importantly allowed the Russians to jump start their UAV development.
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    Re: UAVs in Russian Armed Forces: News

    Post  GarryB on Sun Jan 01, 2017 1:09 am

    The purchase was purely commercial and not every option was on the table.

    They bought the UAVs on offer for inflated prices because that was the deal.

    the performance was actually quite irrelevant... this was a chance for the Russian military to look at a mature system that they could take away and play with to formulate their own performance requirements.

    I would think just looking at they way they have operated in Syria it is pretty clear they don't operate the same way the israelis and US do so their needs and wants and requirements will be different.


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    Re: UAVs in Russian Armed Forces: News

    Post  Austin on Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:09 am

    Russian Heavy/Medium/Light UCAV/UAV program  ( via Pralay )


    Company Sukhoi + MiG = "Охотник / Hunter," take-off weight of 20 tons, attack, the first flight of 2018. Analogue of the X-47B


    http://bd.patent.su/2353000-2353999/pat/servl/servlet3c0b.html

    http://bd.patent.su/2353000-2353999/images/rupatimage/0/2000000/2300000/2350000/2353000/2353547.tif


    Company Irkut aviation plant + Yak = "Прорыв / Breakthrough" (Yak-133), take-off weight of 10 tons, attack, first flight in September 2016.



    Company "Simonov" + Kazan aviation plant = "Альтаир / Altair", take-off weight of 5 tons,Survellence scout




    Company Myasischev + TsAGI = "Обзор-1 / Review-1", first flight 2017, analogue Global Hawk



    Company "Kronstadt" = ..., take-off weight of 1.2 tons, scout / attack. Analogue Predator
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    Post  Flanky on Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:15 pm

    I think Kronstadt have Dozor-600? But its a nice summary of all the important UAV programs in Russia.
    Fregat is another important Kronstadt project.

    I can see this thing to be used from helipad of a ship...

    Regarding their Predator/Reaper equivalent... Its the Orion/Inokhodec UAV


    A sidenote: Kronstadt used to be Transas - they have changed their company name but its the same group of people with all their projects...

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    so russia develop 20 ton ucav?

    Post  theking950 on Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:53 am

    ?
    russia develop 20 ton ucav?
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    Post  Militarov on Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:11 am

    theking950 wrote:?
    russia develop 20 ton ucav?

    There were rumors of 20 ton class UAV being derived from PAK-FA components post 2019.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:29 am

    russia develop 20 ton ucav?

    From Austins post above {Post number 612}


    Company Sukhoi + MiG = "Охотник / Hunter," take-off weight of 20 tons, attack, the first flight of 2018. Analogue of the X-47B

    http://bd.patent.su/2353000-2353999/pat/servl/servlet3c0b.html

    ...which if you can't read Russian might not make much sense... so here is a translation:

    https://translate.yandex.by/web?url=http://bd.patent.su/2353000-2353999/pat/servl/servlet3c0b.html


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    Post  Benya on Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:33 am

    Russian military will receive virtual reality helmet to control UAVs Unmanned Aerial Vehicles.

    The Russian military will receive a sophisticated virtual reality (VR) helmet designed for not only watching the battlefield via the cameras carried by unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV), but also controlling the UAVs by simply turning the head or the eyes, according to the Izvestia daily newspaper.


    A soldier controls UAV launch operations with Virtual Reality Helmet.

    The Svarog helmet developed by the Russian Defense Ministry Main Robotics Research and Test Center (GNIITs) in cooperation with Mari State University will pioneer combat VR helmets in the Russian Armed Forces.

    The VR helmet’s operating principle is simple enough. It is a small video display worn on the face and divided into two by a partition. It shows each of the eyes separate slightly offset images, thus simulating a 3D image. The device also has a set of sensors gaging the position of the eyes and the tilt of the head. This enables the helmet to simulate the reality even more accurately.

    "Now, the Svarog is in the manufacturer’s trials and will be delivered to the Defense Ministry as soon as this year," Alexei Pechkin, a researcher with Mari State University, told the Izvestia daily. "We keep on improving the helmet and experimenting with the characteristics of its lenses, but even now the screen’s resolution is twice as that of its foreign rivals, while the Svarog’s angle of view is limited by the wearer’s natural field of view alone."

    Unlike commercial VR devices and augmented reality (AR) goggles used by the NATO militaries, the Russian helmet has as many as two video displays, which made the Svarog much wider than its rivals are. Its edges protrude 10 cm away from the operator’s head. Despite the cumbersome appearance, however, the device weighs 400 g, which is a standard weight of present-day VR helmets. It is this novelty - a separate display for either eye - that ensured the - pixel resolution - a fourfold increase over the resolution of a standard PC monitor. The resolution that high enables the operator to watch the ground via the UAV’s lenses in minute detail, discerning not only tanks and fighting vehicles from high altitude, but individual troops as well.


    The PowerUp FPV is a paper airplane drone you control with your head

    The Svarog is fit for not only aerial surveillance but for controlling drones by means of simple enough movements as well. The operator can vary the UAV’s altitude by raising or declining his head: the integral gyroscopic sensors are tracking the helmet’s tilt angle in real time and make the aircraft climb or descend depending on the input from the helmet.

    Two more sensors tracking the position of the pupils of the eyes enable the UAV operator to change the flight direction by only shifting his eyes to a point of interest - the UAV will immediately follow his gaze accordingly.

    "Using a VR device for controlling a reconnaissance unmanned aircraft features many advantages over the traditional display and joystick," Maxim Chizhov, director for business development, Intellect and Innovation Company, and a VR expert, tells the Izvestia daily. "An up-to-date VR helmet offers the UAV operator an illusion of soaring over the battlefield, with the simulation allowing quicker decision-making and more effective control of the drone at high speed."

    The expert noted that the militaries of NATO’s member countries lacked devices like that. The only place the similar gear may be found is at sports competitions of UAV operators, and even there VR helmets have been new even to the most advanced drone enthusiasts. The lack of military analogs and the high performance even in comparison with commercial VR helmets make the Svarog truly unique, Chizhov summed up in his interview with the Izvestia daily.

    Source: Arrow http://www.armyrecognition.com/weapons_defence_industry_military_technology_uk/russian_military_will_receive_virtual_reality_helmet_to_control_uavs_unmanned_aerial_vehicles_11502171.html



    Sophisticated VR helmet? A VR headset like Oculus Rift would do the job quite well. Plus I think that these drones should be operared by two soldiers, one pilots the UAV, while the other controls the surveillance camera mounted under the fuselage.

    Plus current UAVs of the Russian Army (like "Takhion", "Leer-3" or even "Orlan-10") can be easily retrofitted to be able to used with VR helmets/headsets.
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    Post  George1 on Thu Mar 02, 2017 10:19 am

    Satellite image of the Russian unmanned aerial vehicle "Orion"

    As reported by March 1, 2017 the agency RIA Novosti, the image of the Russian aircraft have never been published, for the first time got on satellite images on Terraserver.com resource.

    The device is embodied on a taxiway Gromov Flight Research Institute in Moscow. Russian expert in the field of unmanned systems Denis Fedutinov told RIA Novosti that the photograph shows, presumably, the new Russian UAV "Orion".



    "This is the most likely option, based on the dimensions and configuration of the aircraft, as well as information about the mind that at this time in LII airfield began tests of the UAV" - said the expert.

    According to him, the appearance of the UAV on satellite images different from what was shown at the exhibition, including the Moscow Air Show MAKS. Earlier, in 2013-2015, company shows the layout of UAVs, made by two-beam scheme with a high wing with the tail in the form of an inverted V.

    Caught on the photo machine is a device more like an American UAV Reaper - sredneplan with high aspect ratio wing, V-shaped tail and located in the rear part of the engine with pusher propeller.

    RIA Novosti news agency at the beginning of May 2016 reported about the beginning of UAV test, citing its own sources.

    Work on the creation of UAVs "Orion" in the framework of research and development work (R & D) "pacer" is part of the AFC "System" Company "Kronstadt" (until 2015 was called the "Transas"). Generated UAV is classified as medium-long duration flight vehicles. It is assumed that the maximum duration of the flight is not less than 24 hours, and the ceiling - about 8000 meters.

    In October 2011, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation signed an agreement with the St. Petersburg company "Transas" contract to carry out development work. According to the former vice-president of the group of companies "Transas" Victor Godunov, the project is expected to build a reconnaissance UAV weighing about 1 ton. In 2015, at the MAKS 2015 the former president "Transas" Group Nikolai Lebedev adjusted data on certain characteristics - UAV takeoff weight increased to 1200 kg, the mass of the payload was 300 kg.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2464690.html


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    Post  George1 on Tue Mar 07, 2017 2:46 pm

    The prototype of the unmanned aerial vehicle "Altair" will resume tests in 2017

    As reported on March 6, 2017 by the news agency RNS, the development of an unmanned aircraft of the heavy class "Altair", which is conducted in the Design Bureau named after M. Simonov (Kazan), in 2017 will enter the decisive phase. This was reported by RNS source in the defense industry.

    "Last year, an experimental model of a heavy drones created under this program performed a series of successful test flights. In December, flights were suspended. It is planned that in the spring and summer test flights will be continued by the first experimental devices, modified according to the results of flights of the prototype, "the source said.

    According to him, in the high stage of readiness there are already two experimental devices.


    The first prototype-demonstrator of the UAV "Altair" (Altius-M) in the assembly shop of KAPO-Composite JSC. Kazan, 03/25/2014 (с) The frame of the news program / militaryrussia.ru

    "Thanks to the experimental model, the ground part of the unmanned complex, the control system, communications, take-off and landing schemes have been worked out," the agency's interlocutor said. He noted that the take-off and landing of heavy drones are fully automated, take place according to the developed software algorithm, with the possibility, if necessary, of the manual control of the operator from the ground.

    In parallel with the manufacture of experimental vehicles, he said, the development of weapon systems for a new reconnaissance and impact drone is underway. "At the same time, the mass of the device allows you to place on it a number of existing weapons systems," the source said.

    In the summer of 2016, the media reported the start of flights in Kazan, of the first Russian heavy-duty drones. Later, in the autumn, satellite images of the device on one of the Kazan airfields appeared on the Internet. According to experts, the mass of the new device is 5 tons. It is equipped with two diesel engines RED A03 / V12 takeoff power of about 500 liters. With propellers. The device can be in the air for two days without refueling. The maximum height is 12 km. The total length is about 12 m, and the wingspan is about 30 m. The maximum range is 10 thousand kilometers.

    It was reported that a new drone can be used, in particular, to monitor the situation in the Arctic. It is planned that mass production will begin in 2018.

    While Russia does not have devices of this class. Similar reconnaissance and strike drones are created and serially built only in USA.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2476676.html


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    Post  George1 on Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:06 pm

    A previous article for the same type of UAV

    Russian Altius-M Long-Range UAV Spotted at Airfield



    The newest large Russian UAV can be clearly seen on aerospace photos of the Google Maps web mapping service application, the Military Russia informational website reported. According to the website, the photos were taken at the Kazan Aviation Factory (a branch of the Tupolev JSC). Presumably, the UAV is the Russian Altius-M (Altair) newest secret reconnaissance drone, capable to boast of its large duration of the flight.

    The photos are dated 25th of September 2014. So, we can conclude that at that time, the Altair were preparing to flight tests or have already passed them.

    It is known that the Altius-M (Altair) was jointly developed by the Kazan enterprise and the St. Petersburg company after they won a competition of the Russian Defense Ministry on creation of an UAV in the weight class of about 5 tons in 2011. According to a contract, the developers received about one billion rubles (about $35 million according to the exchange rate of 2011) for creation of the Altius-M.

    The newest secret UAV is entirely made of composite materials and has a takeoff weight of up to five tons. The length of the Altair is about 11.6 meters, the wingspan – about 28.5 meters, the span of the V-tail – about 6 meters. The aerial vehicle is equipped with two RED A03 / V12 diesel engines, which have a takeoff power of about 500 horsepower and are equipped with airscrews. The flying range of the Altius-M is about 10,000 kilometers, the flight duration is up to 48 hours.

    Supposedly, the Altair is equipped with a station of optical imagery intelligence with an optoelectronic system, based on a gyro-stabilized platform, while a side-looking position-radar station with an active phased antenna array is mounted in the forebody.

    http://www.uasvision.com/2016/11/28/russian-altius-m-long-range-uav-spotted-at-airfield/


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    Post  Rmf on Wed Mar 08, 2017 9:29 pm

    two 500 hp engines and endurance of 48 hours??? no wayy. how much fuel does it cary.! just doesnt add up.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:02 pm

    Rmf wrote:two 500 hp engines and endurance of 48 hours???  no wayy. how much fuel does it cary.! just doesnt add up.

    It's all guesswork at this point but given that wingspan I would say that fuel tanks are pretty damn big.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Mar 09, 2017 12:45 am

    High power would allow a very heavy aircraft to get airborne... very heavy with fuel no doubt.

    In flight it would use rather low throttle settings for low speed cruising... perhaps even feathering one prop and only running one engine... which would also reduce noise and IR signature...


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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Mar 09, 2017 8:04 am

    Rmf wrote:two 500 hp engines and endurance of 48 hours???  no wayy. how much fuel does it cary.! just doesnt add up.

    Actually flying at a very high altitude and a very low subsonic speed with prop engines could make it work. Flying at something like 210 km/h over a span of 48 hours will get you just over 10,000 km in range.
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    Post  Rmf on Thu Mar 09, 2017 9:32 pm

    its not that heavy , it is 5t class.
    propeller driven reaper is 4,8 tonns https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Atomics_MQ-9_Reaper and 14 hours endurance , and it has 1 engine instead of fuel thirsty 2.
    this thing does have longer wingspan 28m vs 20m.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Mar 10, 2017 2:09 am

    If you want to fly high then you need thrust.

    And what is this thirsty two engine crap?

    Fuel consumption has more to do with power setting than number of engines... fuel consumption is energy(thrust) generated per gramme of fuel it does not matter if that energy is coming from one engine or ten. High power settings means more fuel burned per second... one engine on its own has a much higher power setting than two engines doing the same job... otherwise twin engined aircraft would not exist.


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    Post  Rmf on Sat Mar 11, 2017 11:25 pm

    those 2 engine consume 210 gr of fuel per kw/h each , 420 gr combined , while garret turboprop in reaper consumes 320 gr/kw/h.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Mar 12, 2017 2:57 am

    those 2 engine consume 210 gr of fuel per kw/h each , 420 gr combined , while garret turboprop in reaper consumes 320 gr/kw/h.

    Duh....

    Those two engines burning 210 grammes of fuel per kw/h does not double the fuel consumption.

    If the UAV needs 150kw/h to cruise at normal speed then one engine will generate 75kw/h and the other will generate 75kw/h so each engine will be burning 210 x 75 grammes per hour of fuel each... About 15.75 litres of fuel an hour each engine so two engines running will burn 31.5 litres of fuel an hour.

    The Garret burns 320 grammes of fuel per kw per hour so generating 150kws for an hour means it burns 48 litres of fuel per hour...

    Of course it is not actually as simple as that because at the higher thrust settings an engine tends to be less efficient and burn more fuel at higher thrust settings so a two engine arrangement is often even more efficient...

    Of course two engines also adds mass and complication in two fuel systems and two engine mounts but it also adds redundancy which makes things safer.

    The two wing mounts also often means more frontal area and therefore more drag, but the extra thrust margin usually makes up for that at takeoff and at high altitude cruise in the lower drag thinner air it is less important than the increased thrust to hold speed.


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