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    Re: UAVs in Russian Armed Forces: News

    Post  GarryB on Fri Sep 02, 2016 10:11 am

    There is also the factor of power generation... a UAV will need datalink equipment and optronic surveillance equipment... if it has a radar then power requirements will be significant so a second engine will improve the ability to generate extra power when needed.

    Having two engines means the body of the aircraft can be made larger for more internal space for fuel and equipment, and the spacing of the engines can limit a critical failure of one engine effecting the performance of the other engine.

    Of course it wont effect problems like icing where both engines would be effected... or the impact of a large SAM or AAM where the whole aircraft is shattered by a powerful blast.

    Mixed propulsion is another potential interesting situation where you could have a large motor to get airborne and climb and a low power low fuel consumption cruising motor...


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    Post  Project Canada on Tue Sep 06, 2016 10:58 am


    RAC "MiG" to develop a new Russian military drone

    https://defence.ru/bespilotnii-letatelnii-apparat-bpla/rsk-mig-razrabotaet-dlya-rossiiskikh-voennikh-novii-bespilotnik/

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Sep 07, 2016 12:38 pm

    So MiG saying it is developing a 5 ton class UAV for the Russian Military... interesting.


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    Post  AlfaT8 on Wed Sep 07, 2016 3:47 pm

    GarryB wrote:So MiG saying it is developing a 5 ton class UAV for the Russian Military... interesting.

    About time, they could have made a bunch of Mig-Skats by now if it wasn't for the favoritism towards Sukhois design which we have yet to see.

    Update: There are some conflicting stories here, first i heard they picked Sukhois design over Migs, then there's the talk of the Mig design being used in the Sukhoi project and now we have Mig going solo again the hell is going on?

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    Post  theking950 on Thu Sep 08, 2016 2:03 pm

    Weapons
    Elbit announces new SkyStriker loitering munition

    Yaakov Lappin, Tel Aviv - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
    08 September 2016
     
    The SkyStriker loitering munition seen on its towed launcher. Source: Elbit Systems
    Elbit Systems is introducing a new loitering munition called SkyStriker, which is designed to conduct long-range precision tactical strikes, the Israeli company told IHS Jane's on 6 September.

    One client, which Elbit declined to name, has already purchased the system, and a company source said several potential clients around the world have expressed interest.

    Elbit said the SkyStriker enables ground forces to improve their "lethality, situational awareness, and survivability" on the battlefield.

    The platform locates, acquires, and strikes operator-designated targets, and can be armed with either a 5 kg or 10 kg warhead, which is inserted inside the fuselage.

    According to Elbit, the weapon's electric propulsion system has a "low acoustic signature allowing covert operations at low altitudes." It described SkyStriker as "a silent, invisible, and surprise attacker" that can be operated from outside the range of enemy fire.

    Its top speed is 100 kts (185 km/h), but it will typically only use this once a target has been acquired. Elbit says SkyStriker's loiter time is two hours with a 5 kg warhead and one hour with a 10 kg warhead.

    The weapon employs an autonomous navigation system during the cruising and loitering phases, and can be locked on to a target by the operator using an electro-optical sensor.

    "During the strike phase, the drone dives at speeds of up to 300 kts," Elbit said. "The maximum wind velocity for the strike leg is 40 kts with only slight degradation in accuracy performance."

    Operators have the ability to abort an attack, go around, and re-engage the same or other targets. The aircraft can be recovered at any stage before an attack at co-ordinates that can be changed by the operator during the flight. Recovery is conducted using a parachute and an inflatable bag that are carried by the vehicle.

    The aircraft is transported in a box and the wings have to be assembled before launch, which is carried out using a unique launcher that can be towed by a 4x4 vehicle.
    or buy this from israel http://www.janes.com/article/60819/ila-2016-heron-tp-showcased-at-berlin
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    Re: UAVs in Russian Armed Forces: News

    Post  flamming_python on Thu Sep 08, 2016 2:34 pm

    GarryB wrote:They have a very simple and very cheap suicide drone called an FAB-500 that can be released from an altitude where those on the ground wont even know they are there... they are likely producing tens of thousands of them and wont run out any time soon.

    Really... people need to stop looking at the newest fad and think about what the new technology actually brings that is new rather than they hype from the manufacturers and marketing departments.

    For that matter I don't actually see why a 'kamikaze drone' is any better than a drone equipped with a TV-guided missile. Only advantage I can think of is that the drone itself will be slower to getting to its target and thus easier to guide - but at the same that's also a disadvantage because it'd be more vulnerable and the enemy would have time to get out of the way.

    At least with a missile you'd get to keep the drone. And it can fire again if the first time didn't get the job done.

    Perhaps the best solution would be a new class of cheap, 2-stage TV-guided A2G missiles with rudimentary optics/electronics, very short ranges and wide wings.
    The UAV will handle the job of getting to the target and sighting it; and the missiles would only serve as its disposable warheads so to speak - their 1st stages will move them at a slow speed but would allow maneuvering, while their 2nd stages would fire off their rocket propellant very quickly; rapidly accelerating them, releasing their wings - and are meant to be used when the target is in the cross-hairs and no further maneuvering is needed.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Sep 09, 2016 12:28 pm

    I still think gravity and unpowered light bombs are the answer...

    A high flying UAV with powerful optics and perhaps small radar to find targets in any weather equipped with a laser rangefinder and tiny bombs... FAB-10 or FAB-20 if they existed... or FAB-50 for real weapons.

    Equip them with a GLONASS guidance package with a backup IR/EO guidance package (perhaps based on the Sokol-1 GLATGM)... when a target is detected and identified just release a single bomb when directly above it... from 15,000m the bomb would rapidly fall and easily get to supersonic speed so the target wont hear what is coming till well after it hits.

    Accuracy will be as good as any other weapon type but the low cost nature of the munition and its small size means dozens could be carried internally by a medium sized UAV that could loiter for days.

    The munitions being expended would be cheap so you could attack dozens of targets without costing too much.

    The small munition would limit collateral damage to nearby things and the long time on station means better situation awareness and fewer gaps in observation.

    The main propulsion system and sensors can be reused over and over and are not destroyed when targets are attacked. This means better quality systems can be used and the kill mechanism of the system is much much cheaper.


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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:32 am

    theking950 wrote:Weapons
    Elbit announces new SkyStriker loitering munition

    isnt it a Russian drones threat? Smile
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:42 am



    So Yak-133 "Proryv" is to be fielded after all...

    10 ton  1100km/h, stealth  drone...


    http://newinform.com/13749-yak-133br-opasnyy-proryv-rossii
    http://foto-i-mir.ru/yak-133-proruv/


    08.09.2016



    Corporation "Irkut" has started testing unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) in the framework of development work "Breakthrough" (previously known as project "Yak-133"). The device is able to conduct reconnaissance and, if necessary, destroy enemy targets, while remaining invisible to his radar. Novelty is based on the original aerodynamic design and looks very different from traditional aircraft.
    In the future, the newest drone will be equipped with guided missiles "air-land" and the bombs and opto-electronic systems and complexes of electronic intelligence and even radar.
    The armament of the UAV until the end is not yet determined, but it is already known that a stationary target UAV will destroy the bombs with laser and optical homing and guided by the GLONASS signal.
    http://izvestia.ru/


    STRIKE UNMANNED AERIAL VEHICLE UC-133 "BREAKTHROUGH"

    Blah BLAH Yak-133БР family "Breakthrough" being developed, as already mentioned, on the basis of the Yak-130, so the UAV has much in common with combat aircraft.All three versions represent a modern and powerful drones that have the names of the "Breakthrough-U" (drums), "Breakthrough-R" (reconnaissance), "Breakthrough-RLD" (radar watch).According to the draft of the new UAV will have the following technical characteristics: the service ceiling of the UAV "Break-In" amounts to 16,000 m, "Breakthrough-R" — m 20000 "Breakthrough-RLD" — 14000 m. the Starting mass "Breakthrough" will be 10000 kg, "Breakthrough-R" — 9800 kg, "Breakthrough-RLD" — 10000 kg Mass of the target equipment "Break-In" will reach 1,000 to 3,000 kg, "Breakthrough-R" — 1000 to 1200 kg, "Breakthrough-RLD" — 1000 kg.
    Speed drones are not inferior to a good combat aircraft, and even surpass them: "Break-In" will be accelerated to 1100 km/h, "Breakthrough-R" — 750 km/h, "Breakthrough-RLD" — 750 km/h. the duration of the flight all three aircraft are different, for example, "Breakthrough", will be able to fly for 20 hours, "Breakthrough-RLD" — 16, "Breakthrough-R" — only for 6 hours. All three vessels are designed to overcome long distances.

    Sources: http://newinform.com/13749-yak-133br-opasnyy-proryv-rossii

    TRAINING AND COMBAT AIRCRAFT YAK-130
    OPYTNO-KONSTRUKTORSKOE BYURO IM. A. S. YAKOVLEV

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    Post  Militarov on Thu Oct 13, 2016 5:14 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:

    So Yak-133 "Proryv" is to be fielded after all...




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    Post  JohninMK on Mon Oct 17, 2016 9:54 pm

    Analysis of commercial satellite imagery indicates increased activity at a program of development of a new Russian Altius-M long-range Unmanned Aerial Vehicle.

    The images show the new drone at the airfield in Kazan. The Altius-M is a long-range Unmanned Aerial Vehicle develops by reconnaissance missions and destroying targets that have been detected.

    In 2011, the Tranzas won the Defense Ministry’s tender for the development of two kinds of heavy drones, the “Pacer” and Altius-M, which weigh 1 metric tons and 5 metric tons, respectively.

    More at link





    http://defence-blog.com/news/new-russian-altius-m-long-range-unmanned-aerial-vehicle-spotted-at-the-airfield-in-kazan.html
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Mon Oct 17, 2016 11:02 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:

    So Yak-133 "Proryv" is to be fielded after all...




    letme guess French created aerodynamics laws and Russians just copied them? otherwise similar requirements, similar form designed by computer Smile

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    Post  JohninMK on Mon Oct 17, 2016 11:20 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:

    let me guess French created aerodynamics laws and Russians just copied them? otherwise similar requirements, similar form designed by computer Smile
    They both just dug out those 1940s German plans stolen at the end of WW2.
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    Post  Militarov on Mon Oct 17, 2016 11:23 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:

    So Yak-133 "Proryv" is to be fielded after all...




    letme guess French created aerodynamics laws and Russians just copied them? otherwise similar requirements, similar form designed by computer Smile

    Well aerodynamical layouts are created by men, then optimised and tested by computers most of the time.

    I am just pointing out extreme similarity between the designs Smile
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    Post  storm333 on Tue Oct 18, 2016 2:22 am

    [quote="Militarov"][quote="GunshipDemocracy"][quote="Militarov"]
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:



    Well aerodynamical layouts are created by men, then optimised and tested by computers most of the time.

    I am just pointing out extreme similarity between the designs Smile

    Morphed-wing designs provide better lift. With flybywire and Automatic balancing modes in autopilot flight controllers they can now be handled much easier. Another advantage is stealth with regards to rcs.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:09 am

    I am just pointing out extreme similarity between the designs

    You mean like the fact that the F-15 looks rather like the MiG-25 and that the F-22 is just a stealthy F-15...


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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue Oct 18, 2016 1:33 pm

    I am glad that Yak-130 family will be extended. I just wonder if Russia UAV can have also bigger share in civilian market ?



    Militarov wrote: Well aerodynamical layouts are created by men, then optimised and
    tested by computers most of the time.

    I am just pointing out extreme similarity between the designs Smile

    Meeh we in EU know than aggressive Putin is behing this similarity lol! lol! lol!
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    Post  Militarov on Tue Oct 18, 2016 3:20 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    I am just pointing out extreme similarity between the designs

    You mean like the fact that the F-15 looks rather like the MiG-25 and that the F-22 is just a stealthy F-15...

    This however goes way beyond "it reminds of", 90% of Neuron and this drawing we have at this moment are the same, identical.

    I am not going into capabilities or anything in terms of onboard equipment as it probably does not exist yet, but in terms of aerodynamical solution.... its almost the same damn thing.

    We sure can say its further development of SKAT template but, lets be honest Russians borrowed this one big time.

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    Post  JohninMK on Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:04 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    I am just pointing out extreme similarity between the designs

    You mean like the fact that the F-15 looks rather like the MiG-25 and that the F-22 is just a stealthy F-15...

    This however goes way beyond "it reminds of", 90% of Neuron and this drawing we have at this moment are the same, identical.

    I am not going into capabilities or anything in terms of onboard equipment as it probably does not exist yet, but in terms of aerodynamical solution.... its almost the same damn thing.

    We sure can say its further development of SKAT template but, lets be honest Russians borrowed this one big time.
    Maybe with a little help from an RQ-170 that didn't return home. Which also had some very interesting stuff inside. Allegedly.
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    Post  Militarov on Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:17 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    I am just pointing out extreme similarity between the designs

    You mean like the fact that the F-15 looks rather like the MiG-25 and that the F-22 is just a stealthy F-15...

    This however goes way beyond "it reminds of", 90% of Neuron and this drawing we have at this moment are the same, identical.

    I am not going into capabilities or anything in terms of onboard equipment as it probably does not exist yet, but in terms of aerodynamical solution.... its almost the same damn thing.

    We sure can say its further development of SKAT template but, lets be honest Russians borrowed this one big time.
    Maybe with a little help from an RQ-170 that didn't return home. Which also had some very interesting stuff inside. Allegedly.

    Thats plausible too, but in terms of what we can see, this shares alot more with Neuron than RQ. But sure, if some of the "avionics" from RQ-180 found their way to Russia it could prove extremly useful.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:59 pm

    There is only one issue. The Yak 133 is twice as heavy as the Neuron and from what is being announced it has almost twice the payload and has a higher ceiling according to variants.

    This has to be a distant derivative of the Yak 130 although it looks lardy.
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    Post  Isos on Tue Oct 18, 2016 6:04 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    I am just pointing out extreme similarity between the designs

    You mean like the fact that the F-15 looks rather like the MiG-25 and that the F-22 is just a stealthy F-15...

    This however goes way beyond "it reminds of", 90% of Neuron and this drawing we have at this moment are the same, identical.

    I am not going into capabilities or anything in terms of onboard equipment as it probably does not exist yet, but in terms of aerodynamical solution.... its almost the same damn thing.

    We sure can say its further development of SKAT template but, lets be honest Russians borrowed this one big time.

    Neuron is based on B-2 design. I've seen somewhere that US gave them the technical datas for it. It's a really simple design so it's normal they look the same.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:45 pm

    Gents I guess I have found the reason why.  Although it took this pic from quoted source it might be actual Neuron Merde! But just an educated guess.


    I did some Yandex-fu/googler-fu with Prorvv an d Yak keywords and...none of actual pic, only CG in theme of layouts from Yak early 2000s but no pics...yet Smile))


    this is from original Yak´s site





    flaps Frenchie? however this is 9 years old pic of MiG Skat - look at flaps... (wow again French layout before French?)




    and this beast of Ulyanovsk 2014
    http://military-informant.com/airforca/1-sp-676800061.html

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    Post  Militarov on Wed Oct 19, 2016 3:08 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:Gents I guess I have found the reason why.  Although it took this pic from quoted source it might be actual Neuron Merde! But just an educated guess.


    I did some Yandex-fu/googler-fu with Prorvv an d Yak keywords and...none of actual pic, only CG in theme of layouts from Yak early 2000s but no pics...yet Smile))


    this is from original Yak´s site





    flaps Frenchie? however this is 9 years old pic of MiG Skat - look at flaps... (wow again French layout before French?)




    and this beast of Ulyanovsk 2014
    http://military-informant.com/airforca/1-sp-676800061.html


    Actually... Neuron is just latest in the line of few Dassault projects based around same platform which goes back to mid 90s.

    http://www.dassault-aviation.com/en/passion/aircraft/military-dassault-aircraft/ave/

    Also from what we are aware SKAT never went further from full size mockup.
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    Post  George1 on Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:33 am

    Russian Eastern Military District unit gets cutting-edge unmanned aircraft

    VLADIVOSTOK, November 3. /TASS/. The unmanned aircraft unit of Russia’s Eastern Military District deployed to the Amur region has received a shipment of new Eleron-3 unmanned aircraft that will allow to conduct round-the-clock reconnaissance missions and transfer data via secured channels, Eastern Military District Spokesman Colonel Alexander Gordeyev told TASS on Thursday.

    "The Eleron-3 unmanned aircraft is equipped with a low-noise electric engine and the GLONASS/GPS navigation devices. It has reduced optical, acoustic and radar signature and is designed to carry replaceable photo and video cameras, a thermal imager, a jamming station and other useful devices," Gordeyev elaborated.

    The unmanned aircraft is capable of operating at various heights and in various temperatures over 50 kilometers away from the ground control station.

    According to Gordeyev, operators for this unmanned aircraft have already been retrained at the Defense Ministry’s Training Center for Unmanned Aviation.


    More:
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