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    Re: UAVs in Russian Armed Forces: News

    Post  Austin on Sat Apr 02, 2016 7:40 am

    Do we know what is this 3 , 5 and 10 Ton UAV is ? As in Specs and who is the owner of program ?

    The 10 T UAV sounds more interesting


    In Russia began testing three types of heavy drones

    Drums unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV) long-range began testing specialists United aircraft Corporation (UAC), told reporters on Thursday in the Russian delegation at the aerospace exhibition FIDAE-2016 in Santiago.

    "It is the drones of three projects in dimension three, five and ten tonnes," Interfax-AVN representative of the military-industrial complex.

    According to him, "machines are in varying degrees of readiness: some have already flown, others are preparing for the first flight.
    "The Ministry of defence were set theme, and work is underway on them s priority. Demonstrators have already been established, which confirmed the correctness of the decisions taken. Based on the results of the manufactured product samples»,-said the expert.

    http://vpk-news.ru/news/30021

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    Post  victor1985 on Sat Apr 02, 2016 8:11 am

    1 and if the enemy has a faster missile?
    2 if he jam? how you guide your things to the missile? .....ofcourse i dont know if it used to make it like this but i suppose you can mark a target with a laser same way that usa laser (LAWS or so...) works ...from the ground ....and make the missile to recognize the own laser from others ....
    3 talking about kinetic projectile ....well here is something wrong....a kinetic projectile fall from speed and his penetrating power meanwhile he travel throught air .....so they cant intercept really far away....and destroy a missile at close to you ....isnt a good option ...... think that we can have a enemy missile closing to you ......you do that rheinmetal ....then let say enemy missile explode and launch few separate projectiles at very high speeds..... how you gonna stop them?
    4 we talking here also about the price of every style of defence ....drones are cheap ....compared to missiles..... because of the fuel.....in practic really dont matter if you hit a missile far away or relatively close .....so why need a 400 km missile... when you can have a simple drone that do patrol ......

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Apr 02, 2016 1:28 pm

    1 and if the enemy has a faster missile?

    Doesn't matter... the faster it goes the straighter it flies the easier it is to intercept.

    2 if he jam? how you guide your things to the missile? .....ofcourse i dont know if it used to make it like this but i suppose you can mark a target with a laser same way that usa laser (LAWS or so...) works ...from the ground ....and make the missile to recognize the own laser from others ....

    How would he jam SAMs?

    Launch an S-400 with a range of 400km and destroy his jamming aircraft.

    What sort of jamming will jam a laser beam riding missile like SOSNA-R, or command guided TOR or Pantsir?

    3 talking about kinetic projectile ....well here is something wrong....a kinetic projectile fall from speed and his penetrating power meanwhile he travel throught air .....so they cant intercept really far away....and destroy a missile at close to you ....isnt a good option ...... think that we can have a enemy missile closing to you ......you do that rheinmetal ....then let say enemy missile explode and launch few separate projectiles at very high speeds..... how you gonna stop them?

    Use S-400 and destroy the aircraft carrying the missiles before they launch the missiles.

    New model Pantsir can intercept targets about 40km from the launcher.

    4 we talking here also about the price of every style of defence ....drones are cheap ....compared to missiles..... because of the fuel.....in practic really dont matter if you hit a missile far away or relatively close .....so why need a 400 km missile... when you can have a simple drone that do patrol ......

    because a drone needs target detection sensors and weapons to intercept targets... it makes more sense to keep these drones inside missile containers inside a turret of a TOR system with radar and EO systems scanning for targets and then launching those drones at targets as they appear than have them flying around and around your base... those drones wont be cheaper than missiles because they will be burning fuel 24/7 and their onboard sensors wont be anywhere near as capable as the sensors on a TOR vehicle... and 64 drones flying around your base continuously would use up lots of fuel compared with 4 TOR launchers which could sit still with radars going plugged into the local power supply to run EO and radar continuously.


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    Re: UAVs in Russian Armed Forces: News

    Post  Austin on Sun Apr 03, 2016 7:28 am



    Obzor-1 High-altitude reconnaissance UAV from Myasischchev


    Russia developing new high-altitude stealth drone

    Russia is developing a high-altitude attack drone with stealth technology.

    According to a report prepared by the Myasischev Experimental Engineering Factory, the project, code-named Obzor-1, is being carried out by the Professor Zhukovsky Central Aero-Hydrodynamic Institute in collaboration with the Myasischev Experimental Engineering Factory.

    The Obzor-1 has received an extended wing with high-impact weight, which will increase the unmanned aerial vehicle's aerodynamics. R&D for the drone will be completed in 2016 and work on the first prototype will then begin.

    Further details of the UAV are not being disclosed. As is known from the Russian State Armament Program, the UAV's flight duration will not be less than 24 hours and the flight altitude will be no lower than 33,000 feet.

    Currently, Russia does not posses high-altitude attack drones with long flight duration. The Orion-2, a drone produced by the Kronstadt Company, can fly for 20 to 60 hours, but was developed for middle-altitude usage.

    Original Link :- http://alexeyvvo.livejournal.com/136687.html

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Apr 03, 2016 11:13 am




    Old post... this shows a 1 ton and a 5 ton and a 20 ton spec sheet...


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    Post  Austin on Sun Apr 03, 2016 6:10 pm

    GarryB wrote:


    Old post... this shows a 1 ton and a 5 ton and a 20 ton spec sheet...

    I wonder what's the 10T UAV or is it UCAV

    5 T is Atlis-M UAV

    I suspect Gonsheckek UCAV is 10T and not 5

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    Post  GarryB on Mon Apr 04, 2016 11:36 am

    I thought that might be the case to initially but on examining the specs the 20 ton aircraft has roughly four times more engine power... with two 52Kn engines compared with on 24Kn engine for the 5 ton aircraft with a similar flight speed, and the range for the 5 ton aircraft seems rather short...

    In fact 5 ton TOW, 1 ton payload, 1,000km range (suspect radius) and 1,000km/h flight speed I am thinking a small SKAT light bomber to fly in to enemy territory and drop a few LGBs or satellite guided bombs or glide bombs and then return home... Such short range and relatively high flight speed... ie at near top speed one hours endurance... ok for attack drone but limited for recon asset.

    I suspect the figures are correct but there is another platform... perhaps Skat in the 10 ton class with maybe a 2.5 tp 3 ton payload?

    I am looking forward to finding out.


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    Post  Militarov on Mon Apr 04, 2016 3:20 pm

    If i recall they said Sukho is to build 20t class UCAV on PAK-FA borts.

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    Post  sepheronx on Mon Apr 04, 2016 3:30 pm

    Is that by their own initiative? Cause I thought Sukhoi didn't win any tenders for their UAV programs?

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    Post  Austin on Tue Apr 05, 2016 2:22 pm

    has any one got access to this full Janes Article by Piotr Butowski

    Russia's UAC developing three heavy UAVs
    http://www.janes.com/article/59271/russia-s-uac-developing-three-heavy-uavs

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    Post  Militarov on Tue Apr 05, 2016 3:00 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Is that by their own initiative? Cause I thought Sukhoi didn't win any tenders for their UAV programs?

    Most likely their own initiative, but that is anyways still proposed project from what i am aware, not fully funded or supported.

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    Post  jaguar_br on Tue Apr 05, 2016 6:08 pm

    Austin wrote:has any one got access to this full Janes Article by Piotr Butowski

    Russia's UAC developing three heavy UAVs
    http://www.janes.com/article/59271/russia-s-uac-developing-three-heavy-uavs

    Nice... so acording to the new, there are in development three UAV classes, being 3, 5 and 10 ton.

    One of these is "already made", I suppose it is the Altius-M (5 ton class). The 3 tons one might be the Myasishchev "overview-1", seemingly equivalent to RQ-17 Sentinel.

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    Post  Militarov on Thu Apr 07, 2016 4:03 pm

    So appears that Russians are planning to buy another 30 Forpost sets for RuAF, which is 90 drones in total during period of 5 years.



    Source: http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20160407/1404339509.html

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    Post  Militarov on Tue Apr 19, 2016 10:54 am

    "Washington vetoes on sale of Israeli-made unmanned air vehicles to Russia. The latter also encompasses locally assembly agreements. Moscow has previously purchased 10 «Searcher 2» and 30 «BirdEye-450» UAVs from Israel Aerospace Industries.



    Russia has adopted the IAI “Searcher” UAV and manufactures this Israeli product under license as the “Forpost”, based on a subsequent production design designated as “Searcher II” which is an improved Second Generation model introduced by IAI in 1998.

    “Forpost” and «BirdEye-450» UAV are manufactured by Russian company JSC “Ural Works of Civil Aviation”.


    Source: http://defence-blog.com/news/washington-vetoes-ban-on-sale-of-israeli-made-unmanned-air-vehicles-to-russia.html

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Apr 20, 2016 11:36 am

    This is probably a good thing... if they are cutting off Ukraine they might as well cut off Israel too.

    They have all the production equipment and plans.... I am sure they can improve certain areas and features to their own needs... now is an opportunity.


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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Apr 20, 2016 11:52 am

    ... I don't exactly think that the US can stop Israel from collaborating with Russia. It's just too big and there's way too many opportunities with the Russian/Soviet Israeli community. Furthermore, most of the heavy lifting that Israel does regards tactical low level UAV's. And there's always eager 3rd parties, like ROK.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Apr 20, 2016 12:02 pm

    Militarov wrote:If i recall they said Sukho is to build 20t class UCAV on PAK-FA borts.
    Okhotnik-Y AFAIK, was to use "elements  and solutions" of PAK FA not hull directly.


    KRET´s vision of heavy drone, is this the one?




    2 interesting articles from last year below.


    http://www.uasvision.com/2015/08/27/is-russia-developing-an-f-35-hunting-uav/
    Russia could be working on a low-observable, F-35-hunting unmanned air vehicle that uses deeply-integrated electronic warfare systems to stay hidden from radars. The tip-off comes from electronic systems producer KRET, which has a curious UAV model on display at the MAKS air show in Moscow.

    According to the company’s first deputy chief executive officer Vladimir Mikheev, this aircraft model is more than just a sleek promotional display – it is an advanced military UAV being developed by the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC).

    Concern Radio-Electronic Technologies (KRET) is a subcontractor on the project, he says, providing the fundamental communications, radar, electronic warfare and self-protection systems, as well as the ground control station.

    Speaking via a translator, Mikheev tells Flightglobal that the company is involved with two military UAV projects – one in development and one in the concept phase – but both ventures of UAC.

    He declines to name the project and does not say which UAC design bureau is in charge, but confirms some of its key capabilities.

    Mikheev says the UAV has been designed to detect stealth aircraft in the same vein as China’s ambitious “Divine Eagle” project, which he claims is based on technology “borrowed” from Russia and the USA.

    Such aircraft aim to detect low-observable US combat aircraft using X-band and UHF radars, specifically the Lockheed Martin F-22 and F-35 and Northrop Grumman B-2. But airborne surveillance is just one of the UAV’s capabilities.

    Mikheev says KRET is providing a deeply-integrated electronic warfare system that not only provides a protective electromagnetic sphere around the aircraft to counter air-to-air missiles, but also cloaks it from radars.

    The unmanned aircraft closely resembles Northrop’s carrier-based X-47B demonstrator, but adds two lift fans on each wing and vertical stabilisers.

    Mikheev says the UAV’s avionics, radar and electronic warfare systems are derived from those being produced for the Sukhoi Su-35 multirole fighter and the Kamov Ka-50 attack helicopter. KRET is also deeply involved in the Sukhoi T-50/PAK FA fighter project.

    In an article published on KRET’s website on 2 August, Mikheev says Russia has been competing with the USA in the realm of electronic warfare “for our entire lives”, and about five years ago the company decided it needed to bring in the next-era of electronic warfare systems.

    “Today we are talking about 15% to 20% annual growth in the direction of electronic warfare systems,” he says.

    It remains to be seen whether this UAV project is just marketing or a mature development programme with similar goals to China’s Divine Eagle UAV. It would come as the stealthy F-35 enters serve as the West’s primary “first-day-of-war” combat jet.





    and RGs one

    Media: In Russia will create new UACVs
    Level of translation - don´t shoot me oki? I am justa piano guy  :d

    Aviation holding company "Sukhoi" and "Experimental design Bureau named after M. P. Simonov" are engaged in the development of shock unmanned aerial objects "Hunter-U" and "the Apple" (the eye/pupil  - for me Very Happy) , reports RIA Novosti.

    New drones will be classified as aircraft medium and long range. And the fact that they will "shock" sensation, because at the moment in the Russian army, there are only reconnaissance UAVS.

    "At present the design Bureau Simonov conducts development work on the creation of shock drone medium-range "the Apple" at a speed of 800 kilometers per hour. Parallel to this, a "Dry" shock develops UAV long range with the same speed "Hunter-Y", - said a source from oboronno-industrial complex.

    Previously it is known that "Apple" will be designed based on the project UAV Tu-143 "Flight". This drone was developed in the early 70-ies of the last century, but, despite his advanced age, this project remains relevant to this day. The launch of the "Eye" will be carried out with manned aircraft.

    "Hunter" will, apparently, be a "flying saucer" that runs with the land. Takeoff weight of this miracle-weapon - a fantastic near 20 tons, and the first prototypes should appear before 2020.

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    Post  Militarov on Wed Apr 20, 2016 12:14 pm

    GarryB wrote:This is probably a good thing... if they are cutting off Ukraine they might as well cut off Israel too.

    They have all the production equipment and plans.... I am sure they can improve certain areas and features to their own needs... now is an opportunity.

    Yeah but Russia still could use technological imput from Israel. Israelis are after all leaders in this field, with 40 years long experience.


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    Post  Militarov on Wed Apr 20, 2016 12:18 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:... I don't exactly think that the US can stop Israel from collaborating with Russia. It's just too big and there's way too many opportunities with the Russian/Soviet Israeli community. Furthermore, most of the heavy lifting that Israel does regards tactical low level UAV's. And there's always eager 3rd parties, like ROK.

    I think US has power over Israel on this one due to fact certain key components are being fabricated in the US. So they can use it as bargain chip.

    ROK is also big customer of Israeli drones.

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    Post  George1 on Fri Apr 29, 2016 1:36 pm

    Russia Begins Flight Tests of UAE-Made United 40 Military Drone

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20160429/1038820010/united-40-drone-russia.html#ixzz47DMkqSws


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    Post  Militarov on Fri Apr 29, 2016 3:00 pm

    George1 wrote:Russia Begins Flight Tests of UAE-Made United 40 Military Drone

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20160429/1038820010/united-40-drone-russia.html#ixzz47DMkqSws

    Finally after years since they said they would.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue May 10, 2016 11:41 am






    The flight model of the drone "Frigate" was successfully tested


    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20160510/1430323408.html

    AMMAN, may 10 — RIA Novosti. The flight model of UAV-based besaratinia Fregat was successfully tested, confirming a number of underlying characteristics, said RIA Novosti on Tuesday during an arms exhibition SOFEX-2016, a representative of the developer blah BLAH Group "Kronstadt".
    Project UAV "Frigate" was first presented at the MAKS-2015 in Zhukovsky. According to the technical scheme, it will combine the versatility of vertical take-off and landing flight characteristics of aircraft of a scheme that makes it possible to operate UAVS in areas with poor infrastructure at great distances from the places of deployment.
    "We have proposed aerodynamic configuration of the aircraft with rotating fan propulsion, aimed primarily at achieving a large flight distance (2-3 times beyond the range of modern helicopters) and high speed (not less than 500 kilometers per hour). Created the flying model and carried out its flight tests, which confirmed the fundamental feasibility of high-speed flight with vertical takeoff and landing", — said the Agency interlocutor.
    It is expected that the Frigate will be capable to carry up to 1700 kilograms useful load at takeoff "airplane" and up to one ton — during helicopter takeoff. The maximum altitude will be 8 thousand metres, expected duration around 10 hours. UAVS will perform a wide range of applications, from air monitoring to operational delivery










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    Post  Project Canada on Fri May 13, 2016 10:37 pm

    I was expecting the "Frigate" to be larger than its actual size.,



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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri May 13, 2016 11:18 pm

    Project Canada wrote:I was expecting the "Frigate" to be larger than its actual size.,


    It's a testbed version, real thing will be full size.

    RT skimps on details as usual...

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    Post  Militarov on Fri May 13, 2016 11:20 pm

    Project Canada wrote:I was expecting the "Frigate" to be larger than its actual size.,



    Its flying model only from what i understood

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