UAVs in Russian Armed Forces: News

pathetic that we can't even produce a up to date UAV, i saw on a russian arms exhibition a lo of russin made UAV's and that was i think 2009, if we today haven't still a domestic up to date UAV then this is just a big shame, parts of russian arms industry are outdated as same as ther engineers who can't keep up with up to date designs and technology

Well you could blame the Russian AF for the same thing

hell yes i blame them!

same as i blame the goverment by not providing enough money and the highcommand that don't put any money and strategy for UAV devolopment and use

and still this is not a excuse, the design/devolopment arms industry have to invest themselfs and atrackt civilian customrs on the globe to invest in them and come up with new design and developments, and actaully this problemm is trhugh out the russian arms industriy which is totaly outdatet and fails to come up with just somthing innovative...

NationalRus wrote:

Well you could blame the Russian AF for the same thing

hell yes i blame them!

same as i blame the goverment by not providing enough money and the highcommand that don't put any money and strategy for UAV devolopment and use

and still this is not a excuse, the design/devolopment arms industry have to invest themselfs and atrackt civilian customrs on the globe to invest in them and come up with new design and developments, and actaully this problemm is trhugh out the russian arms industriy which is totaly outdatet and fails to come up with just somthing innovative...

Agree with you on this issue . Where the hell is inovations? We are basically copying Israeli tech ( most countries do) but want them to lower thier prices. Is this Logical? My answer is no!

This deal will go through if Lavrov's list of banned items includes S-300 to Iran. Israel is also looking for some stoppage to Syria.

yes im very happy that now in 2010 the arms industry somehow maneges to come up with at last somthing, at last in the UAV business when its finaly heared the need for such systems and now smell some profit

that nothing or nearly nothing of it is in use or that probably the army will not get nearly enough of such equipment or in a period of maybe far over a decade is surly mollifyingly

still waitng when ther will be our counterpart to such a threatening and same time just awesome syste like the fire and forgot FGM-148? 16 years has passed

GarryB wrote:Innovation?

There is no problem with innovation in Russian UAVs.

look at this page for a first list of UAV designers and designs in Russia:

http://igorrgroup.blogspot.com/2010/05/russia-uavs-part-1.html

The first UAV at the top of the page above is the T90 drone launched directly from a Smerch rocket that is fired towards the expected target area (as found by the Pchelka UAV) where it will loiter for an hour and a half so the target can be properly identified, an attack launched by the Smerch unit and assessment of the battle damage can be performed by the T90 itself.
I'd call that innovative, but if that isn't innovative enough how about the Zala 421-08 which is a flying wing UAV that is carried in a large box in packs of about 4 under the wing of the Ka-50 and Ka-52 helicopter series that can be released and flown past cover toward a concealed enemy to find and mark targets for the helo so it doesn't have to expose itself to enemy ground fire.

Look at the animation at the bottom of this page:

http://www.zala.aero/en/

to see how it works in theory.

The main problem I see is a lack of a very large UAV in the predator class, but that is a very expensive aircraft that is hardly going to be developed on the off chance someone might buy it... that is how companies go bankrupt.

Here is a good example of the issue at hand... for the Border patrol or an oil company many existing Russian UAVs are already perfect for the job, but for the Russian AF they will look at a UAV like this:

http://www.okb-sokol.ru/cgi-bin/go.pl?i=43

And they will look at the specs and say the flight speed of 120-240km/h is far too slow if we need to get this UAV to a particular place quickly. The flight altitude of 6km is probably too low as it cannot fly above MANPADs range. The flight time of up to 15 hours is good, especially with the armed version but they might want to carry more than 100kgs of stuff in it. The flight range of 2,400km is probably adequate for some roles and too short for others.
The problem is that fitting a new engine to allow higher and faster flight might shorten endurance and range. It might also need better cameras to see properly from higher up.

There are probably hundreds of Russian drone designs ranging from operational and flying to drawings. Some could do the job but just need small changes, while some are ready to do the job but need to get off the drawing board and into mass production.

Remember the whole purpose of purchasing the Israeli UAVs was so a UAV training facility could be built and UAVs tested and experimented with so a range of UAV sizes from hand held through to size and weight of a small fighter aircraft and bigger can be evaluated and requirements set for Russian makers to start making UAVs and UCAVs for. They need to know what can be done with drones and what is useful to them and then they can set down requirements for the designers and makers.

All this whining about no one in Russia being able to make decent UAVs is just BS.

Well Garry , we been hearing this so called BS until now.. thanks for links

Russia will not buy anymore Israeli UAVs

The largest forum of the Russian defense showed why we can not do without the purchase of foreign weapons

In Zhukovsky near Moscow yesterday, finished the 1 st International Forum " Technology in Mechanical Engineering - 2010 " . His leitmotif was the controversy on the subject , to buy or not to buy Russian foreign arms.

The Forum brought together four previously separate specialized exhibitions - International Exhibition of Technology in Mechanical Engineering " Intermash -2010 " Salon of weapons and military equipment of ground forces IDELF -2010 , as well as the exhibition " Aerospace 2010 "and" Unmanned multipurpose complex UVS-TECH- 2010 " . Platform for large-scale event was selected airfield Gromov Flight Research Institute , home of the Aviation and Space Salon MAKS.

The exhibition program involved 314 companies in 28 events on the program - more than 1500 delegates from the Russian and 42 foreign companies from 18 countries . They presented their products at private displays an area of over 6 thousand square meters and the outdoor area of more than 3,5 thousand square meters From the VIP-persons appeared at the forum , Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, who met with President of Yemen Ali Abdullah Saleh and Chairman of the Board of Siemens AG , Peter Loescher , the head of Russian Technologies Chemezov , director of the FA PTS Mikhail Dmitriev , President Alexei Fyodorov, UAC .

The forum Roscosmos and the State Military Industrial Committee of Belarus signed a memorandum on cooperation in space technology. Expected to create a unified navigation and information space in the two states , the development of joint legal and regulatory framework for the establishment and use of space technology and satellite navigation system GLONASS, the regulation of network operators , the creation of optoelectronic devices for high resolution digital mapping of the complex.

At the exhibition , it was announced that Jordan started the construction of assembly plant launcher complexes " Hashim " . scheduled to begin production within 18 months , and it will be purely assembly : Russian military technology will not give Jordan .

Set the demonstrated military equipment and weapons in Zhukovsky was traditional, but not without innovations . For the first time were shown some examples of communications and signal monitoring . This radar ground reconnaissance CHAR - 10M , space-saving radar 1L122E Concern PVO Almaz- Antey " radar " Vitim NPK NIIDAR , the R -168 - 1KE Yaroslavl Radio Plant , multi-channel radio microwave and portable VHF concern "Constellation " , Mobile radio monitoring complex HF- band " Onslaught -1 " ON "Quantum ", a mobile communication system MIC - ISS scientific -industrial firm " Micran " , automated control system for ground troops " Acacia - E " concern " Systemprom . The latter is designed to provide communication between the General Staff and the operational headquarters for the calculation of the forces for combat operations , processing of information received from intelligence. The system has already been used in the exercises Kavkaz - 2009 " .

The first demonstration of an armored car "Wolf " , developed by the Military- Industrial Company ( part of the holding company , Russian Machines " ) - continued well -proven family of military vehicles "Tiger " . However , as already reported, the Russian Defense Ministry intends to buy armored LMV Italian company Iveco. They plan to collect the license for Kamaz.

Holding "Helicopters of Russia " ( a subsidiary of OPK Oboronprom , which is part of Rostekhnologii ) unveiled two new unmanned aircraft helicopter type - " Kite " and Ka -135 . UAV helicopter type - a new direction in the world of unmanned aircraft, are actively developing in the last decade . As a platform for the creation of unmanned systems may be considered Russian manned helicopters Mi- 34, Ka- 226 , " Patrol ", " Ansat " , " act ".

It was first shown 120 - mm rifled towed mortar semi Nona -M2 . He established the Central Research Institute of Precision Engineering. Mortar is universal and can use all the world's 120 -mm mortar shells and with ready rifling .

The Forum was the scene of controversy surrounding the procurement of foreign weapons Russia . The Ministry of Defence and the French company Sagem Defense Securite ( group of companies SAFRAN) held talks on a possible purchase of the fire control system "Sigma -30 " for the modernization of the Russian artillery and multiple rocket launching systems ( MLRS ). Sagem is now supplying these systems virtually the entire range of Russian weapons export products, including the "Sigma -95 " for " dry " . The same system equipped with MLRS Germany and Italy , modernized armored Norway and Sweden.

MOD in talks about buying a French limited edition gear " soldier of the future "FELIN - for the special forces of the GRU . The cost of an order of magnitude lower than similar developments in Germany and the U.S., where it is 50-60 thousand Euro .

According to general director of the corporation Rostekhnologii Chemezov , buying abroad today is inevitable, because the share of Russian companies that are developing and deploying technological innovations , yet does not exceed 10 % and the share of innovative products of 5,5%.

But the Russian developers of drones have a chance to contract with the Defense Ministry, because plans additional purchases of foreign UAV after Israel no. Said first deputy defense minister Vladimir Popovkin . Defense plans this summer to choose the Russian developer drones , which will supply the Army aircraft in the class scout or target designator.

Research has shown steel materials and protective structure for local and individual reservations . In particular , helmets for the military are the easiest in the world , unique to them yet. Helmet withstand a shot from 5 meters from the Makarov pistol. Was presented and a new kind of armor from nanomaterials . So, perhaps , from the acquisition plans were in Germany , our military authorities refused.

Russian Corporation of communication " , part of the state corporation Russian Technologies , and the company " CELEX The system is integrative SpA (Included in the Italian group Finmeccanica ) signed an agreement on modalities for establishing joint venture in Russia to design and manufacture of complex automated systems security of protected objects and events .

On the ground in 5 hectares of land , specially built for the forum , together with the demonstration of the technology was conducted military - sports show involving DOSAAF and riot Interior , Ministry of Emergencies of Russia, GRU, the General Staff , the FSB . In preparing the demonstration program involved not only military specialists , but " civil " director of the Bolshoi Theatre Andrei Melanin . During a demonstration of military equipment in action there was almost no crowd . The fact that the organizers of the show for visitors to sell some tickets , and for the entrance to the exhibition - other . Guests are usually bought only a ticket for entrance. Moreover, instead of the planned two hits armor and special weapons have decided to hold three , but the third was scheduled for 18.00 , when none of the visitors to the airfield was no longer allowed .

Nicholas Poroskov

What happened with Skat UCAV ?

Austin wrote:What happened with Skat UCAV ?

no info, it coul be anything, it could fly by now as a prototype or its mockup could be rotting in some hall

The Sukhoi S-62 family of UAV looks promising hope it gets the desired funding.

Hope they operationalise a UCAV like Skat soon , US has already operationalise a classified UCAV ( Boeing ) and Brits are not far behind now with strategic ucav Taranis in the make

GarryB wrote:AFAIK the Russian officials constantly talk about a super high altitude recon platform and about the urgency of such things in their inventory.
This makes me think of the M-55 and M-17 in manned platforms and the S-62 in unmanned platforms, though I think there also might be platforms based on airships too.
There was a prototype shown a while back of what looked like a flying saucer which was an airship with a saucer shape to help it cope with high altitude winds.

Well they talk about lot of things Hypersonic Aircraft , High Altitude Stratosphere Aircraft , UCAV , UAV but nothing concrete has shown up yet , may be more talks less action ?

Hopefully MAKS 2011 should have some info on these.

Can anybody provide a pdf file representing Russian advancement in UCAVS
After Georgian war much westerners do still think Russ is behind in this particular warfare because they hadn't used it then

Russian UAV is as worst as it gets and even the Russian Air Force chief says he prefers joint devl/lic manf of UAV from Israel rather then buying it locally as they are not upto the mark.

UCAV nothing much is known probably they are no better off then the UAV

Just until recently Russia did not have UAV/UCAV in its military planing budget. Only 2008 war triggered interest in it and Russia moved to its design late but strong. We see numerous projects witch still does not satisfy military but in time those problem will get solved.

The first unmanned system "Spectrum 301" will be delivered in November this year

Moscow. November 1. Airports - air unmanned systems for monitoring, surveillance and reconnaissance, "Spectrum 301" development company "Scientific-Production Center Firm NELK" will be delivered to the buyer in October-November this year, told AviaPort "the Head of Development firm Gaidar, Boris.

Interviewee refused to talk about the number of delivered systems and unmanned aerial vehicles, "Spectrum 301", as they are available for law enforcement agencies.

"Unmanned systems with UAV aircraft type Spektr-301 has successfully passed flight tests and is now made to order as civilian customers, and security structures of Russia", - he said.

B. Gaidar also refuted appeared in media reports about the possible sale of 500 thousand rubles unmanned helicopter-type complex on the order of the Government of Moscow. According to him, the Moscow city government has not appealed to us and talks on this topic were not conducted.

Unmanned aerial vehicle "Spectrum 301" made by airplane-type scheme "flying wing" with swept trailing edge of the wing. The power plant of the same engine with a pusher propeller located in the rear of the unit.

UAV Spektr-301 has a starting weight of 7 kg in weight payload of up to 1 kg. The flight speed is between 55 km / h to 150 km / h at the operating altitude of 50 m to 500 m. Range - at least 160 km and a maximum flight duration - up to 120 min. UAV flies in the automatic mode and semi-automatic.

UAV can be equipped with a wide range of specialized equipment and instrumentation. In particular, it can be set:

* thermal imaging camera with a resolution of at least 640h512 pixels and detection range human up to 5 km, the truck up to 12,5 km;
* TV camera with a magnification of 25-300, with a range of human recognition of 4-6 km, 6-8 km passenger car;
* Station radar reconnaissance with a range of detection of human 5 km, the truck 12 km, with an error range of up to five meters;
* laser rangefinder with a limit ranging from 5 to 15 km and an accuracy of up to 5 m;
* complex radio and electronic intelligence.


Dmitry Kozlov

Red Star Volume 20 - Soviet/Russian Unmanned Aerial Vehicals

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