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    Re: Russian Gun Artillery: Discussion Thread

    Post  GarryB on Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:40 pm

    I wonder if they will put a Vena like turret and ammo on one of the vehicle chassis of the DT-30MP vehicle with the crew in the other, or if they will use a new unmanned turret and ammo on one vehicle chassis and the crew in the other vehicle.

    Either way a 120mm rifled gun/mortar would be a potent weapon system...


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    Re: Russian Gun Artillery: Discussion Thread

    Post  eehnie on Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:16 pm

    Then we are completing the view about the most recent artillery projects:

      2S12A 120mm Tigr platform

     2S25 Sprut-SDM-1 125mm BMD-4M platform

     2S35 152mm Armata platform

     2S35-1 152mm Truck platform

     2S36 120mm Tigr platform

     2S37 152mm BMD-4M platform

     2S38 057mm BMP-3 platform

     2S39 120mm DT-30 platform (to be confirmed)

     2S40 120mm Truck platform

     2S41 082mm Typhoon-VDV 4x4 platform

     2S42 120mm BMD-4M platform


    Bolded and in red the weapons that are a safe bet to be present in the Russian Armed Forces in the future.

    While I do not expect more options on BMD-4M platform, taking into account that they tried a 152mm and likely failed to resist, since the 2S43 we should have a good number of projects on the Armata, Kurganets and Bumerang platforms, that makes many of these to have very low options of going forward in the Russian Armed Forces.

    The 2S25 Sprut-SDM-1 should have a redesignation. 2S25 makes look this weapon older than it is, and makes look it a variant instead of a weapon on a new platform.
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    Re: Russian Gun Artillery: Discussion Thread

    Post  flamming_python on Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:18 am

    Nice compilation

    But..

    The Sprut-SDM1 is not an artillery platform; it has a high-pressure smoothbore 125mm gun. It can no more do indirect fire support than a T-80 can.

    And '2S37 152mm BMD-4M platform'? scratch
    I doubt the BMD-4M can withstand the weight and recoil; nor that such a vehicle would be air-droppable.
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    Re: Russian Gun Artillery: Discussion Thread

    Post  eehnie on Sat Dec 23, 2017 12:37 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Nice compilation

    But..

    The Sprut-SDM1 is not an artillery platform; it has a high-pressure smoothbore 125mm gun. It can no more do indirect fire support than a T-80 can.

    And '2S37 152mm BMD-4M platform'? scratch
    I doubt the BMD-4M can withstand the weight and recoil; nor that such a vehicle would be air-droppable.

    Anti-tank artillery always was considered artillery. In fact even the tanks are also conceptually artillery systems.

    Would not be the (M)T-12 artillery?

    There are reports about a failed bid with 152mm weapons on BMD-4M with designation 2S37. Surely the new 2A89 was tested, but the platform was not able to resist.
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    Re: Russian Gun Artillery: Discussion Thread

    Post  eehnie on Sat Dec 23, 2017 3:28 pm

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t4957p325-russian-military-reform#212264

    Cyberspec wrote:Article detailing significant changes and reforms in Artillery units

    Russian army to increase fire power and range of artillery units

    The Russian Defense Ministry launched a large-scale artillery reform. Regiments and brigades are armed with Uragan-M1 MLRS Multiple Launch Rocket Systems, MSTA-SM 152mm self-propelled howitzers and drones. Super powerful weapons - 2S7 Pion self-propelled gun system and 2S4 Tyulpan self-propeled morar systems - are returning.

    There have been no such large-scale changes in the army in over 30 years.

    Artillery units considerably expand the range of missions, efficiency, fire range and power. Experts believe modern combat tactic will considerably change after the reform, the Izvestia daily reported.

    https://www.armyrecognition.com/armies_in_the_world_analysis_focus/russian_army_to_increase_fire_power_and_range_of_artillery_units.html

    The article included by Cyberspec includes very interesting quotes:

    The Defense Ministry told the newspaper it had been decided to radically increase the fire power of artillery units in all-arms (motorized infantry and tank) divisions and brigades. In particular, they will get Uragan salvo fire squadrons. Drones will target the artillery.

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    The Defense Ministry said upgraded Uragan-M1 will replace the current weapons with time. Experts said the packaged loading of the launchers with the help of transportation and launching containers will considerably accelerate the rate of fire. Uragan-M1 is armed also with guided missiles. The automatic control system and onboard computer allows the weapon to destroy targets real-time without human interference.

    ...

    "2S4 Tyulpan and 2S7 Pion advantages are powerful charges that can destroy fortified targets. The experience of the latest conflicts showed that 122mm and 152mm artillery is not sufficiently effective. The charges are insufficient for the destruction of adversary fire points in city buildings and for proper erection of field fortifications," Lavrov said.

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    The Defense Ministry said this year the super heavy weapons will be supplied to other artillery brigades of combined arms armies. A Pion squadron is already operational in the headquarters of the 165th artillery brigade deployed in Amur region. A Tulip squadron operates in the 305th artillery brigade in Primorye region. By the end of the year heavy mortars will be supplied to the 385th artillery brigade deployed in Orenburg region.

    Besides long-range howitzers and salvo fire weapons, brigades and regiments will receive reconnaissance drones with automatic control systems. The Orlan-10 artillery reconnaissance drone will considerably change combat tactic. The drones were tested late last year. They began to arrive in the troops in the autumn of this year.

    Drones are an important element of modern warfare. The Orlan-10 can determine the location of adversary counterbattery radars with several-meter accuracy, including portable ones like the American radars AN/TRQ-36.

    It was logical that at some point the BM-27, 2S4 and 2S7 would increase its presence in the active service.

    In the other side the most likely exits to the reserve are the towed artillery systems (plus their auxiliary trucks) and the BM-21.

    In fact Russia would be able to do the following changes without procurement, only with a reallocation of the current material:

    - BM-27 in the reserve replacing totally BM-21 in active service
    - 2S7 in the reserve replacing totally 2A65 Msta-B in active service
    - 2S7 in the reserve replacing totally 2A36 Giatsint-B in active service (Coastal Troops)
    - 2S4 in the reserve replacing totally 2B16 Nona-K in active service.
    - T-72 in the reserve replacing totally 2A19/29 (M)T-12 in active service.
    - 2S9 in the reserve replacing totally 2A18 D-30 in active service (Airborne Troops)
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    Re: Russian Gun Artillery: Discussion Thread

    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Dec 24, 2017 12:12 am

    We'll likely see 1 or more of those Tigr mounted guns and mortars joing the VDV and perhaps the Naval Infantry

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