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    Re: Abkhazia and S.Ossetia vs Georgia Situation

    Post  TheGeorgian on Mon Jun 23, 2014 10:12 pm

    Werewolf wrote:The only way to put the past behind is admitting that Georgia under Sackarschwilli started the war and prosecuting this bastard for genocide, which it was.

    There was no "genocide" nor an attempt of a genocide, not even remotely. It's pretty offensive to claim that. What happened was an unnecessary large scale military operation to regain total control of Tskhinvali and the entire region. It went completly out of proportions wich resulted in collateral damage on both sides. Given the official figures from Russian, Ossetian and Georgian side the civilian death toll in Georgia proper was even higher. Half of the killed Ossetians who were not conscripts, were probably volunteers. I agree that bombarding a city is a crime in general. But military all over the world does it. Remember Grozny, Baghdad, Afghanistan, Syria, Palestine etc ? why don't you condemn that ? and if we're at condemning crimes. Why not start with the mass exodus and brutal murder of thousands of people in 1993 then ? maybe Abkhazians should slowly begin to admit it was a crime instead of giving people who participated in it, medals and awards .... that would at least give us less headaches and emotions.

    It was a pretty clever move from their side though to evacuate the city before the GAF rolled in. Not only because people were saved, but also to make it look like the GAF was indeed carrying out a genocidal mission which is just some basic propaganda to justify military response in addition to the killed MC troops .... and no, I'm not saying it to justify what Saakashvili did or what crimes happened. Crimes happened on both sides and in fact Georgian police units probably did some shit to some people they took prisoners, as well as Ossetians destroying Georgian villages, kidnapping and murdering people. So please, don't be one sided. The war itself was a crime allready.

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    Post  Werewolf on Mon Jun 23, 2014 10:32 pm

    TR1 wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:The only way to put the past behind is admitting that Georgia under Sackarschwilli started the war and prosecuting this bastard for genocide, which it was.

    Collateral damage is not genocide.

    Saaka is basically non-grata in Georgia anyways, asking for prosecution is just silly.  

    Yes you are truely americanized silly guy.

    So this is collateral damage?

    Driving through South Ossetian cities randomly shooting in civilian houses and cars?





    How many US/Georgian lies have been told and till this day believed and spread, blaming russia for civilian deaths while it was Georgian Grads that destroyed villages and civilian buildings in cities, before any russian had fired a shot?

    Collateral damage means NON-intentional!

    Genocide means an attempt to wipe out or reducing drastically the population of a group. US played this retarded Sackarschwilli for an idiot he is, told him he could get into NATO, but one requirement for joinging NATO is it shall not have dispute with any boardering countries,regions so they tried to "cleanse" this region, attacked russian troops intentionally, too.

    It was a genocide by true meaning.

    If you continue with your americanized bias than better don't respond at all.

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    Post  TR1 on Mon Jun 23, 2014 11:39 pm

    So you gonna trial Putin next right?

    They shelled, deliberately, consistently, and without proper evacuation, Chechen villages.

    GENOCIDE!

    Calling me Americanized is just silly. You are the one blaming the US for Chechnya in general, talk about wackjob history!

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    Post  Werewolf on Mon Jun 23, 2014 11:47 pm

    TR1 wrote:So you gonna trial Putin next right?

    They shelled, deliberately, consistently, and without proper evacuation, Chechen villages.

    GENOCIDE!

    Calling me Americanized is just silly. You are the one blaming the US for Chechnya in general, talk about wackjob history!

    Did russian troops drove in Chechen cities on tanks firing on civilians laughing into camera without recieving a single bullet? Obviously not.

    In South Ossetia and in Abchasia not a single terrorist,soldier or whatever has started killing Georgians, Georgian forces under Sackarschwili who was the Chief in Command and therefor highest responsibl for actions of military.

    Yes you are americanized because you have double standards and are ignoring and it seems more and more that you are calumniating obvious involvement of USA in those actions, same as in Chechnia maybe even in Ukraine.


    Yes civilians were killed in Chechnia by russian forces, but was it intentional, that is the question, can you proof that please, that GRAD systemes flattened villages of civilians for fun? Chechnia had actual armed terrorists in there, South Ossetia did not had, so why is the military shooting randomly at villages,cities and with tanks at buildings cars and laughing into camera?

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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Mon Jun 23, 2014 11:50 pm

    TheGeorgian wrote:We simply belong togheter like in the past centuries ...

    Is that the disinformation they are teaching people now?

    There was no Georgia in "the past centuries".

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    Post  TR1 on Mon Jun 23, 2014 11:51 pm

    No, Russian troops just executed people in filtration camps, filled mass graves with often non-fighters, and generally turned Grozny into Stalingrad 2.0

    Your whitewashing is disgusting.

    SO militia and Georgians shot at each other from time to time for years. From the Georgian perspective, they were armed rebels. Believe it or not there is a whole world out there, not just Russia's perspective.

    And btw, what civilians are being shot in that vid? They are shooting around a deserted area. No proof they killed anyone in that clip. Does it make the Georgians look bad? Sure. Genocide? Nonsense.

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    Post  Werewolf on Mon Jun 23, 2014 11:55 pm

    TR1 wrote:No, Russian troops just executed people in filtration camps, filled mass graves with often non-fighters, and generally turned Grozny into Stalingrad 2.0

    Your whitewashing is disgusting.

    SO militia and Georgians shot at each other from time to time for years. From the Georgian perspective, they were armed rebels. Believe it or not there is a whole world out there, not just Russia's perspective.

    And btw, what civilians are being shot in that vid? They are shooting around a deserted area. No proof they killed anyone in that clip. Does it make the Georgians look bad? Sure. Genocide? Nonsense.

    And your sources for this claims, of mass genocide of civilians purposely? Maybe CNN and BBC who purposley lied about Chechnia, Georgia,Ukraine,Syria blaming always Russia did that and did this.

    Show your source.


    You are the only one here whitewashing. And yes families have been executed in that village, you clearly have not watched the videos.

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    Post  TR1 on Tue Jun 24, 2014 12:02 am

    http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B0_%D1%87%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%BA%D0%B0_%D0%B2_%D0%A7%D0%B5%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%B5_%D0%B2_%D1%85%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B5_%D0%92%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%87%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B9%D0%BD%D1%8B

    Enjoy your reading.
    Though I am sure every incident of Russian forces potentially committing crimes is "teh American propaganda", but some Georgians shooting up streets= genocide.

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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Tue Jun 24, 2014 12:09 am

    TR1 wrote:No, Russian troops just executed people in filtration camps, filled mass graves with often non-fighters, and generally turned Grozny into Stalingrad 2.0

    Your whitewashing is disgusting.

    SO militia and Georgians shot at each other from time to time for years. From the Georgian perspective, they were armed rebels. Believe it or not there is a whole world out there, not just Russia's perspective.

    And btw, what civilians are being shot in that vid? They are shooting around a deserted area. No proof they killed anyone in that clip. Does it make the Georgians look bad? Sure. Genocide? Nonsense.

    Well, this forum is going down the tube.

    That's thermodynamics in action.

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    Post  TheGeorgian on Tue Jun 24, 2014 12:13 am

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    TheGeorgian wrote:We simply belong togheter like in the past centuries ...

    There was no Georgia in "the past centuries".

    lol seriously ? is that the desinformation they are teaching you now ?


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    Post  TR1 on Tue Jun 24, 2014 12:14 am

    It sure is, you people make mp.net look fair and balanced.

    I got family who were PERSONALLY decorated by Putin the Hero for bravery in action in Chechnya ( FSB counter-terrorist units). If they heard this whitewashing (while condemning Georgia for genocide) they would laugh their asses off.

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    Post  Werewolf on Tue Jun 24, 2014 12:20 am

    Really wikipedia as a source.... that is weak really weak. One of the forum rules was not to post such flimsy sources.

    wikipedia especially about history and war/military matters is useless source, it is good for lot of things but unreliable for those things.


    Even a quick check of some of those sources show only that they are claiming a lot but no proof in content.

    And such sources as Human Rights Watch are listed are one of the most unserious sources in this wikipedia article i can imagine.

    Human Rights Watch are among those NGOs which are recieving money from USAID and such beloved people like George Soros.

    I'm sorry when i indeed have to refuse such things as "proof", because such sources have a conflict of interest aspecially during wartime.

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    Post  TR1 on Tue Jun 24, 2014 12:22 am

    Wikipedia linking a bunch of Russian articles. Like I said, read it, and decide for yourself if it is all propaganda and lies.
    Obviously not every report about massacres is 100% accurate, or even happened.

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    Post  Werewolf on Tue Jun 24, 2014 12:30 am

    If i read anything on wikipedia i go down to the sources first and some are not existing anymore, some are worthless to mention and obviously i can not check them so quick, but you do understand the point that wikipedia is not the best source for anything like that?

    I can give you in several different languages to the same article different point of views and with that also different propaganda.

    I usually post, or at least try to post several sources and not one source, i just recommend that to everyone and i am not whitewashing anything i already explained my point and i think i am less one sided than you want me to see.

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    Post  TheGeorgian on Tue Jun 24, 2014 12:32 am

    Werewolf wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:The only way to put the past behind is admitting that Georgia under Sackarschwilli started the war and prosecuting this bastard for genocide, which it was.

    Collateral damage is not genocide.

    Saaka is basically non-grata in Georgia anyways, asking for prosecution is just silly.  

    Yes you are truely americanized silly guy.

    So this is collateral damage?

    Driving through South Ossetian cities randomly shooting in civilian houses and cars?





    How many US/Georgian lies have been told and till this day believed and spread, blaming russia for civilian deaths while it was Georgian Grads that destroyed villages and civilian buildings in cities, before any russian had fired a shot?

    Collateral damage means NON-intentional!

    Genocide means an attempt to wipe out or reducing drastically the population of a group. US played this retarded Sackarschwilli for an idiot he is, told him he could get into NATO, but one requirement for joinging NATO is it shall not have dispute with any boardering countries,regions so they tried to "cleanse" this region, attacked russian troops intentionally, too.

    It was a genocide by true meaning.

    If you continue with your americanized bias than better don't respond at all.

    It hasn't to do anything with "americanized bias". You are right about the NATO part, Western propaganda. But you are wrong about "cleansing" and you seem very biased and one sided on that topic comrade. Those videos don't proof a genocide. It only proves that people are very blinded by amount of propaganda that you show random videos without even knowing their real content. Do you even understand what the soldiers are saying in those videos .... ? Those are scenes cut out of original video material and put togheter for propaganda purpose. Same with the soldier who supposedly shoots a "civilian" after he asked him to stop. Yet I am not saying that there might be a number of evidences for single crimes. GAF bombed targets in Tshkinvali. A city wich was evacuated for most part. Georgians did even send observer unit into the city to report that hours before the operation began. Ossetians released a full list of fatal casualties of the war and when the Georgian military rolled into Tskhinvali they were mostly engaging volunteer militia and Russian MC while Kokoiti and his military withdrew to Java. That list however doesn't state who those killed were and it's estimated that more than half of them were volunteers who died during combat. Russian figure basicaly splits Ossetian figure in half because they make the same assumption. No doubt, ugly things happened there. It's a war. Did you never see docs about Chechnya ?? but ugly things happened on both sides and in the end it were mostly Georgian villages that got destroyed, not Ossetian. There's plenty of videos you can find about that, why aren't you watching those ? plenty of reports about rapes and murder by Ossetian irregulars continuing days and weeks after the war. The statistics and facts speak for themselves .... and you Sir, really need to learn the difference between that and a genocide. While you happily try to downplay the crimes commited in Chechnya, you inflate a brief tragic war into a holocaust of unimaginable proportions. Just think about it.

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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Tue Jun 24, 2014 12:41 am

    TR1 wrote:http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B0_%D1%87%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%BA%D0%B0_%D0%B2_%D0%A7%D0%B5%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%B5_%D0%B2_%D1%85%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B5_%D0%92%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%87%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B9%D0%BD%D1%8B

    Enjoy your reading.
    Though I am sure every incident of Russian forces potentially committing crimes is "teh American propaganda", but some Georgians shooting up streets= genocide.

    It is against this forum's rules to use Wikipedia as a source, but of course, you are desperate.

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    Post  TR1 on Tue Jun 24, 2014 12:43 am

    Indeed, there were quite a few reports of Russian military supposedly shooting SO militia who attacked ethnic Georgian enclaves.
    At one point a Georgian village begged the Russian mil to come back because local police led and they were at the mercy of various militias.

    Now are all those reports accurate, or even most? Who knows, many clearly are exaggeration. But war is a mess, generally from all sides.
    Since the Evil Empire (TM) collapsed Kavkaz has been full of human rights abuses left and right. Sad reality.

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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:10 am

    TR1 wrote:It sure is, you people make mp.net look fair and balanced.

    I got family who were PERSONALLY decorated by Putin the Hero for bravery in action in Chechnya ( FSB counter-terrorist units). If they heard this whitewashing (while condemning Georgia for genocide) they would laugh their asses off.

    I usually don't respond to this kind of gibberish, but considering you are a long time forum user, I should at least make a mention of the fact that you are really just trolling now.

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    Post  Werewolf on Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:16 am

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    It hasn't to do anything with "americanized bias". You are right about the NATO part, Western propaganda. But you are wrong about "cleansing" and you seem very biased and one sided on that topic comrade. Those videos don't proof a genocide. It only proves that people are very blinded by amount of propaganda that you show random videos without even knowing their real content. Do you even understand what the soldiers are saying in those videos .... ? Those are scenes cut out of original video material and put togheter for propaganda purpose. Same with the soldier who supposedly shoots a "civilian" after he asked him to stop.


    I know the content because those georgian soldiers filmed their atrocities with their own mobile phones, laughing into camera and cheering while shooting into houses with 12.7mm and into cars. This is not out of content because there are several of such videos with bodies shown dead in cars.

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    Yet I am not saying that there might be a number of evidences for single crimes. GAF bombed targets in Tshkinvali. A city wich was evacuated for most part. Georgians did even send observer unit into the city to report that hours before the operation began.

    But still blamed russia in BBC and CNN media for destroyed civilian blockhouses and civlian casualties before even any russian troop has fired a single shot? Good observers or good flase flag operation. One of those two things is certain that civilian houses were hit by Georgian army and blamed on Russia, either observers are shit and try to twist things so they don't have to admit its their own fault or it was intentional.


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    Did you never see docs about Chechnya ??

    Actually i did translate one documentary into english made by a russian journalist that was not published unter jelzin era but years after, but was shown in germany during jelzin era.

    This is the documentary, i translated it and Bitnik edited it to proper english.



    I've seen actual footage and pictures that proof atrocities of russian soldiers to POWs, and chechen terrorists killing russian POWs, but i have not seen any civilians purposley killed by russian soldiers.

    I've seen footage where some 18-19 year old conscript was wounded and was on the ground begging for his life and one of the chechen terrorists emptied a magazine out of his Kalaschnikow. I've also seen how 5-6 Chechen terrorists after getting captured by russian forces, have been executed infront of a wall. But again I,myself have not seen any actual footage of civilians getting purposley killed. I've seen killed civilians by artillery, yes that is a war crime, but it makes a differnce infront of a court and in moral and ethics if someone did that intentional or a such called "collateral damage".

    I repeat it if you both still don't get it, i speak about my own knowledge from actual footage and not just some articles without proof, that i have not seen them, i do not deny that No atrocities happened, i just have not seen intentional mass killing.

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    While you happily try to downplay the crimes commited in Chechnya, you inflate a brief tragic war into a holocaust of unimaginable proportions. Just think about it.

    You may address this to yourself but not to me, i am pretty open about what i say and i choose my words properly. The point you want to address calling me biased you as a georgian about georgian war can't be unbiased yourself, if we are talking plain about "taking sides" or "one sided".

    The point of those military operation right before Sackarschwilli made an announcement in TV about South Ossetians and Georgians should work together and should start working together, no violence and long history.... all that in his speech just a few hours right before Georgian army has recieved order to attack South Ossetia, you as a georgian tell me who where they attacking sindie South Ossetia, i've never heared not from german, not from british or american and not from russian sources anything about militans or terrorists like in Chechnya since TR1 brought the comperision up, like you too? So who were the georgian army attacking?

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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:17 am

    TheGeorgian wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    TheGeorgian wrote:We simply belong togheter like in the past centuries ...

    There was no Georgia in "the past centuries".

    lol seriously ? is that the desinformation they are teaching you now ?

    They are obviously prole-feeding these poor souls that Georgia existed as a country before 1991. Expected, but still cute.

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    Post  Regular on Tue Jun 24, 2014 2:32 am

    Got to take Georgian side on this one. They got their act right, and now it's decent country were Russians and Russian speakers are welcomed.
    Before You go on blaming them of genocide look at Ukraine. Only serious crime Georgians did was shelling of Thskinvali. A video of Cobra gunner shooting god knows where and laughing is a moot proof of war crime. When there are videos of Ukrainian Nat guard shooting people point blank. Ukrainians are shelling their own cities for how long and how long did shelling of Thskinvali lasted?
    Now what TR1 said.. Both Chechen wars were terrible. Atrocities on both sides. It was a meatgrinder

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    Post  Regular on Tue Jun 24, 2014 2:44 am

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    TheGeorgian wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    TheGeorgian wrote:We simply belong togheter like in the past centuries ...

    There was no Georgia in "the past centuries".

    lol seriously ? is that the desinformation they are teaching you now ?

    They are obviously prole-feeding these poor souls that Georgia existed as a country before 1991. Expected, but still cute.
    Yeah it never existed, You see those medieval castles in Georgia appeared by themselves. They are actually pretty old nation. But so are Ossetians. Abkhazians are like Bosnians in Balkans, formed by Otoman influence.

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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Tue Jun 24, 2014 3:40 am

    Regular wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    TheGeorgian wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    TheGeorgian wrote:We simply belong togheter like in the past centuries ...

    There was no Georgia in "the past centuries".

    lol seriously ? is that the desinformation they are teaching you now ?

    They are obviously prole-feeding these poor souls that Georgia existed as a country before 1991. Expected, but still cute.
    Yeah it never existed, You see those medieval castles in Georgia appeared by themselves. They are actually pretty old nation. But so are Ossetians. Abkhazians are like Bosnians in Balkans, formed by Otoman influence.

    Can you read what you have written and think about it. There is enough material even on this forum that shows what you have said was a combination of falsehood an irrelevance.

    Until you have studied this matter and have shown to yourself and others the reason that your assertion was completely wrong, you should refrain from posting anything.

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Jun 24, 2014 7:13 am

    Collateral damage is not genocide.

    Collateral damage is not genocide... don't know about local police in your area but the local police where I live dont use Grads to "save them" from terrorists.

    Saaka is basically non-grata in Georgia anyways, asking for prosecution is just silly.

    And there is your problem... perhaps is saaka ordered the bombing of Moscow or your home village you might think no longer being popular in Georgia would be enough punnishment, but perhaps the people of South Ossetia and Abkhazia might not want good relations with Georgia while Saaka is a free man there or not held to account.

    By not prosecuting him they are saying what he did was not a crime... can you not see how that might be counter productive to any future reconciliation?

    It certainly isn't in the interest of any side.

    Sounds like South Ossetia and Abkhazia might think it is in their interests to formalise good relations with Russia.

    There was no "genocide" nor an attempt of a genocide, not even remotely.

    The attack on South Ossetia was not a rescue mission... it was a Waco mission... burn the place down. They might not have gone out of their way to kill the South Ossetians but clearly the plan was to make them leave... perhaps to block the Roki tunnel to prevent Russian support coming in.

    Half of the killed Ossetians who were not conscripts, were probably volunteers.

    While the Georgians killed were all innocent civilians.... keep playing the blame game... I am sure that will help them change their minds and want to rejoin Georgia again.... NOT.

    I agree that bombarding a city is a crime in general. But military all over the world does it. Remember Grozny, Baghdad, Afghanistan, Syria, Palestine etc ? why don't you condemn that ?

    First of all you might notice in these threads that there are actually quite a few members calling attacks on Baghdad and Afghanistan and Palestine a crime... and if you remember correctly when Russian forces first rolled in to Grozny, they did so in columns without artillery or air support and the Chechens ignored that fig leaf and massacred them. If it had been Prague or another city that wasn't fortified for war it would have been a fait acomplait and the Russians could have taken the city without a shot being fired and no buildings being shelled... it was a choice the Chechens made for themselves.

    In comparison the unprovoked Georgian attack on South Ossetia started with artillery aimed at Russian peace keeper bases, and then seemed to have become random.

    So please, don't be one sided. The war itself was a crime allready.

    But who started it? Who is responsible?

    It is amusing you balance the issue by claiming the South Ossetians started evacuating a city that was being shelled by Georgian forces... what bastards they are!

    Got to take Georgian side on this one. They got their act right, and now it's decent country were Russians and Russian speakers are welcomed.

    So therefore you would also take the side of Germany and Japan because after WWII with lots of US cash and investment they turned out pretty prosperous too... very unusual logic...

    Before You go on blaming them of genocide look at Ukraine. Only serious crime Georgians did was shelling of Thskinvali. A video of Cobra gunner shooting god knows where and laughing is a moot proof of war crime. When there are videos of Ukrainian Nat guard shooting people point blank. Ukrainians are shelling their own cities for how long and how long did shelling of Thskinvali lasted?

    So the fact that the nazis in Ukraine happily murder those ukrainians that oppose their coup, then Georgia is clean and innocent and with all that US money in aide and investment, they are OK.

    THEY FIRED GRAD ROCKETS INTO A CITY THEY CLAIM AS THEIR OWN.

    They clearly thought nothing about the lives of the South Ossetians, or the Russian peace keepers. The Georgian peacekeepers withdrew, and the OSCE peacekeepers were also told to leave by the Georgians... yet no warning was given to the Russian peacekeepers or the South Ossetians themselves... wonder who those Grads were intended for?

    If Slobodan had ordered a Grad attack on the capital of Kosovo and targetted specifically NATO and EU peacekeepers there do you think a few Serbian villages might get damaged in what would happen next?

    But no... Russia has Chechnia and Abkhazia has 1993 and only Georgia is a victim here.

    Not really sure how Abkhazia and 1993 justifies an artillery attack on South Ossetia in 2008 but I am sure there is a good solid reason in Wiki somewhere.

    Now what TR1 said.. Both Chechen wars were terrible. Atrocities on both sides. It was a meatgrinder

    And unlike the Georgian decision to attack a city defended by Russian peacekeepers, the conflict in Chechnia was not really in Russian hands... or was Beslan made up? Was the Moscow Theatre siege just a friendly criticism of modern Russian theatre performances?



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    Re: Abkhazia and S.Ossetia vs Georgia Situation

    Post  Regular on Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:38 am

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    Regular wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    TheGeorgian wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    TheGeorgian wrote:We simply belong togheter like in the past centuries ...

    There was no Georgia in "the past centuries".

    lol seriously ? is that the desinformation they are teaching you now ?

    They are obviously prole-feeding these poor souls that Georgia existed as a country before 1991. Expected, but still cute.
    Yeah it never existed, You see those medieval castles in Georgia appeared by themselves. They are actually pretty old nation. But so are Ossetians. Abkhazians are like Bosnians in Balkans, formed by Otoman influence.

    Can you read what you have written and think about it. There is enough material even on this forum that shows what you have said was a combination of falsehood an irrelevance.

    Until you have studied this matter and have shown to yourself and others the reason that your assertion was completely wrong, you should refrain from posting anything.

    Where are You from? I didn't study Georgian history as a separate subject, but I have spent 4 summers there. When I was there last time it was called Georgian SSR, so how does Your arrogant remark about Georgia never existing before 1991 can be considered valid? Do You know definition of a country? Having said I've visited historical sights and medieval castles from Kingdom times. Please share a quick snip of why You think that Georgia never existed?

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