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    Re: Abkhazia and S.Ossetia vs Georgia Situation

    Post  Hannibal Barca on Fri Jun 27, 2014 10:44 pm

    TheGeorgian wrote:
    Hannibal Barca wrote:Don't get you, specify.

    Oh ok. First I thought you'd be Serb. But knowing you're greek it makes things more redicilously laughable.

    really ? I can't believe what I'm acutaly reading you dare to even say a word about corruption and complains .... ? don't make me cry laughing. It's just fucking redicilous. I've visited that country enough times to make me a picture of it. Nothing personal. The people are damn fine but wohoo bro. You making some serious ungrounded claims on us "being shortsighted, corrupted etc" when it's not even remotely true. Is it because of your own country's disastrous failure and now you're crying and complaining ? also why not leave Cyprus to the Turks if you're so lighthanded with all that stuff. "Stop complaining". Great solution  thumbsup 




    Are you serious? A Georgian criticize Greeks? Don't get personal but your compatriots travel ILLEGALLY  here to be killers, thieves, rapists, prostitutes and pimps and the decadent Greek government tolerate such scums instead of sending them back in Caucasus in coffins...

    Cyprus....I don't try to attack Turkey and then complain about beating me. I have no idea what you are talking about. You want to be a part of a pack with the sole purpose of undermining Russia. So be it but stop complain for what happened or will happen to you.

    You speak about economy...last time I checked your biggest economic partner was Russia.....if they veto you (and I hope they do) will stagnate to extinction. It seems there is a reason why you are the most failed country in Europe cause anyone else understand this profound arguments without further discussion.

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    Post  TheGeorgian on Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:11 am

    Hannibal Barca wrote:
    decadent Greek government tolerate such scums instead of sending them back in Caucasus in coffins...

    ooooh, so much butthurt hate. Makes me sad  cry  Very Happy 

    Cyprus....I don't try to attack Turkey and then complain about beating me.

    No, but you people sure can brag about how superior you are. If you would, they'll overrun you.

    Why should I get personal ? you're doing the job for me, also giving me some laughs.

    why you are the most failed country in Europe cause anyone else understand this profound arguments without further discussion.

    We are not part of the EU and look who's talking .... the one who actualy failed. From bottom to top. It's not easy being part of EU sure, but you whine about your failure calling Germans Nazis for supposedly missusing your nation and crap like. The reality is that you should have simply moved your asses, take life a bit serious and stopped promoting corruption. You shouldn't be even talking. If I was you, I'd be hiding under the next huge rock.

    What do YOU have to say about us on "corruption" ? amuse me. Compared to you, our early 90s period was a flourishing state ? comparing today's greece with nowdays Georgia on the level of corruption is almost offensive and a crime. But sure, keep the comedy up.

    Ah, but nothing personal. You greeks are damn fine guys  Very Happy

    won't let the mood brake cause of persons who sound like some emotionaly and rationaly confused members of the "Golden Dawn" or whatever parties you got.

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    Post  zg18 on Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:57 am

    TheGeorgian wrote:But it is wrong to say EU has nothing in common with better living conditions ! it certainly has.

    Germany would certainly be rich in and out of EU , same as France or (northern) Italy. EU development/expansion was driven by already developed economies who were at that time loaded with money , so it`s difficult to say how much is EU as superstructure connected to development and better living conditions. Everything is still on shaky grounds IMHO

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    Post  fragmachine on Sat Jun 28, 2014 9:01 am

    why you are the most failed country in Europe cause anyone else understand this profound arguments without further discussion.

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    We are not part of the EU and look who's talking .... the one who actualy failed.

    Or the one that cannot recognise that Europe does not equal EU? Georgia can or cannot be the part of EU/NATO and it should depend only on Georgians. It is up to them. IMO Russia should not worry about NATO as Russia is a major power too (taking one country alone). If Russia and other countries are concerned, why not fund their own 'ONZ' and 'NATO' organisations? That would balance things very quickly.

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    Post  Vann7 on Sat Jun 28, 2014 9:28 am

    zg18 wrote:
    TheGeorgian wrote:But it is wrong to say EU has nothing in common with better living conditions ! it certainly has.

    Germany would certainly be rich in and out of EU , same as France or (northern) Italy. EU development/expansion was driven by already developed economies who were at that time loaded with money , so it`s difficult to say how much is EU as superstructure connected to development and better living conditions. Everything is still on shaky grounds IMHO

    Thats 100% correct.. While i don't agree with the bashing against people for wanting joing the EU ,is their choice..
    What you have told save me a lot of time . Joining the EU does not improve any nation "better living conditions". This is all
    propaganda crap ,that western powers say to fool countries. DO the European Union will give you a job in Georgia with higher salary
    automatically for joining them? NO. Will you get free education all the way to University like Germany have a Health care just for
    joining the EU? NO. Will your nation streets become all repaired , the country infrastructure and everything modernized automatically
    for joining the EU?  NO.  you can be a very poor nation with very miserable living conditions by being a member of the EU.. Being a member
    does not means they will pay your bills . Just look at Spain ,Portugal ,Greece ,Cyprus ,Romania ,do their living conditions are better than Russia? NO. They actually in bankrupt and a huge unemmployment rate ,people living in welfare.  Germany quality of life ,have nothing to do
    with them being part of the EU.. but with them being a very competitive industrial nation with very high education system ,about the best in the world. They produce and build the things that everyone wants , like BMWs ,and other europeans cars ,they also runs the show in pharmaceutics and technology for health. and also EU is also very well integrated with US and Japan commerce.  So if for example you want to buy something really cool , like an Iphone , or Home theater or a playstation or Xboxone you will not be doomed for the shipping when you order it and they tell you .Sorry we dont ship to your country.  Is more a commerce thing than anything. Because the EU will not pay your bills. Some others however idea of joining the EU is to get a Visa to work in the EU. But that do not improve your country standard of living at all ,is artificial economy if you depend to work outside your country and only return to visit family. Joining the EU will not improve
    your standars of living at all. that can only be done by your Government.. how they create jobs and promote investors.. etc

    Moldova and Ukraine "improvement in quality of life" by joining the EU will be the same as Romania. That will get a free Visa to flee their nation and go to work in one with a better standard of living. thats it. Their entire country could collapse its economy and it will not affect you since you work abroad. still however is an artificial economy..because you will not be really developing your nation at all ,only depending of others countries to maintain you.  I do not mention Georgia ,because i do not know what industrial capabilities they have to compete with top EU countries ,what things they can produce that can compete with what EU countries produce.. But in the case of Ukraine and Moldova.. they are basically giving up their nation development ,and choosing to become parasites states. Because they will no longer be Independent nations and will depend of EU rulers ,in change for a free visa to work in their nations.   Just look at the South Stream pipeline for example..  The EU is literary sabotaging the economies of many EU nations ,for pure political reasons ,they could get much cheaper energy which can significantly improve their economy but the EU is saying no.   Being in the EU is about Control.. you give away your independence ,and becomes a colony of US , in change for being able to easily travel ,Shop and have a job with them.  Unless your country is very competitive in business ,there is no chance your country will improve its quality of life being part of the EU. Only the very
    competitive nations benefits from a free market with the EU. You will also get annoying propaganda day and night of Gays rights. and all Jewish media demonizing Russia day and night.

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    Post  Hannibal Barca on Sat Jun 28, 2014 10:13 am

    Too much I can say. Basically EU is not irrelevant with your local economy is a huge burden but I don't have time to develop.
    Anyway, I don't know in what fallacies about working abroad some peoples may live in but not a single country of EU is in need of hands, not a single one is developing
    and all but maybe one or two face a serious unemployment problem.
    Don't know how EU used to be 10-20 years ago I describe the situation as it is right now.

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    Post  Hannibal Barca on Sat Jun 28, 2014 10:19 am

    Oh yeah I should say at least this. UK is QUITE PROBABLY about to leave EU soon. This means....well, pretty much the final stroke in the coffin of working or studying abroad.

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    Post  Regular on Sat Jun 28, 2014 6:32 pm

    Hannibal Barca wrote:well, pretty much the final stroke in the coffin of working or studying abroad.
    Why? There is plenty of immigrants of non EU origin..

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    Post  Regular on Sat Jun 28, 2014 6:54 pm

    I visited Greece and Georgia. I haven't seen any corruption as a tourist in both of these countries. Very Happy
    Having said many people who visited my country said the same, but You only see corruption when You encounter it in everyday. And that kind of corruption, an open and visible can say about rest of the state.
    How is it in Your countries?
    Can You easily bribe a cop in Greece/Georgia?
    Do You have unwritten rules of payments?
    My country, Lithuania is shit when it comes to corruption or idiotic socialist mentality. You go to school, you have to bring money to the classroom fund.. every tricking month. You go to Uni, you have to bring wine, whiskey, liquors to dean if you want him not to fail You.
    For example I had to pay bribe to get X-ray and I used to pay bribes when doing MOT. I bought my bike license together with new bike as I couldn't be bothered to do all the tests again. I brought few diplomas from college where I've only been twice.
    I've heard people paying bribes to go to Afghanistan on a tour and all that, not sure how much there is truth in that. Bribes get things moving. It's idiotic to me. Especially when I've never paid any bribe in 4 years when living abroad.
    Not everyone pays bribes, but sure You either get stuck in the system or you fail.

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    Post  TheGeorgian on Sat Jun 28, 2014 7:29 pm

    Regular wrote:I visited Greece and Georgia. I haven't seen any corruption as a tourist in both of these countries. Very Happy
    Having said many people who visited my country said the same, but You only see corruption when You encounter it in everyday. And that kind of corruption, an open and visible can say about rest of the state.
    How is it in Your countries?
    Can You easily bribe a cop in Greece/Georgia?
    Do You have unwritten rules of payments?

    You can't bribe a cop in Georgia unless you're a masochist. Some let you do that, than arrest you the next minute everything recorded on a mini cam and then show you on TV as an example. Things have dramaticaly changed since 2005."Bribing" can only happen from ruling parties like it was the case with Saakashvili. Abuse of power simply in a police state.
    Neither back then nor right now an ordinary person is able to do that and they deliberatly search for any signs of criminality because police is well payed, well equipped and highly motivated to do their jobs, because it pays off and they feel comfortable. Take their jobs far more serious than actual military. It pays off big times more than being bribed by some random thug like in other countries. It's controled. Even if you get bribed, you're busted for long. Totaly different times now compared to 90s up until 2003 when you could bribe an entire checkpoint with a few dollars.

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    Post  Regular on Sat Jun 28, 2014 10:13 pm

    Yeah, CCTV in Police cars help, but police gets ridiculous low money. I earn their monthly wage in 3 days while working in UK.
    But what about corruption outside police.

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    Post  TheGeorgian on Sun Jun 29, 2014 12:19 am

    Regular wrote:Yeah, CCTV in Police cars help, but police gets ridiculous low money. I earn their monthly wage in 3 days while working in UK.
    But what about corruption outside police.

    You have no idea what you're saying. A salery of $700+ is far from "redicilously low" in such countries. Half of Germany is earning less than that lmao.  It's not only CCTV and fancy toys, everything has been reformed, renewed, retrained and polished. From education to policy etc. Corruption is very low in there, probably one of the lowest in the world. Why ? because the justice system is rolling consequently and you can't threaten or fool people anymore that easily especialy since Mishas gone .... and trust me, people keep the lines busy. You do, you'll be loured into false contact meetings, they record you via hidden cameras and they've got you by the balls or arrest you some day with enough evidences. Sure, things like bribing will allways happen between the people in some scale. But it became very unlike and dangerous to do and if you do anyway, you'll be caught soon or later. Not worth it. Corruption was allways more of the administrations thing. But especialy since it got replaced nobody is safe from prosecution, no matter what position you have. Unlike other countries.

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    Post  sepheronx on Sun Jun 29, 2014 1:25 am

    TheGeorgian wrote:
    Regular wrote:I visited Greece and Georgia. I haven't seen any corruption as a tourist in both of these countries. Very Happy
    Having said many people who visited my country said the same, but You only see corruption when You encounter it in everyday. And that kind of corruption, an open and visible can say about rest of the state.
    How is it in Your countries?
    Can You easily bribe a cop in Greece/Georgia?
    Do You have unwritten rules of payments?

    You can't bribe a cop in Georgia unless you're a masochist. Some let you do that, than arrest you the next minute everything recorded on a mini cam and then show you on TV as an example. Things have dramaticaly changed since 2005."Bribing" can only happen from ruling parties like it was the case with Saakashvili. Abuse of power simply in a police state.
    Neither back then nor right now an ordinary person is able to do that and they deliberatly search for any signs of criminality because police is well payed, well equipped and highly motivated to do their jobs, because it pays off and they feel comfortable. Take their jobs far more serious than actual military. It pays off big times more than being bribed by some random thug like in other countries. It's controled. Even if you get bribed, you're busted for long. Totaly different times now compared to 90s up until 2003 when you could bribe an entire checkpoint with a few dollars.

    That is definitely good to hear. Bribing cops is such a bad thing and has done more harm to a country than anything. Glad to hear Georgia took care of their police. Now I wish same can be done to other nations.

    Using wages as an excuse isn't really good, especially when you compare countries. Some countries, a cop getting payed $500 bi-weekly is considered good in terms of average costs. But in Russia, things seem to be getting real expensive as there are high demands in nearly everything, which driving up the costs. So cops should get payed better there. But if it is relatively cheap to live in Georgia and price of goods are not very high, then wage of $700 isn't bad at all.

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    Post  TheGeorgian on Sun Jun 29, 2014 8:19 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    Using wages as an excuse isn't really good, especially when you compare countries.  Some countries, a cop getting payed $500 bi-weekly is considered good in terms of average costs.  But in Russia, things seem to be getting real expensive as there are high demands in nearly everything, which driving up the costs.  So cops should get payed better there.  But if it is relatively cheap to live in Georgia and price of goods are not very high, then wage of $700 isn't bad at all.

    $700 is far above avarege salery right now. Living in Georgia still ain't cheap, it's still a poor country but at least doing baby steps in the right direction. Prices are slightly lower than let's say in Germany yet it highly depends on what product you're buying. You may be shocked by this but people are stubborn and used to be living under such conditions for decades. Far worse in the 90s. There were times where you had no gas and electricity for years. Different mentality regarding that. You can't compare it with UK, Germany or else. If something like that happened here, people would have huge difficulties to help themselves, because you have this ill relation between them. Suspicions, everyone is a stranger, no neighbourly touch at all etc. Rather prefer to be locked in their homes and don't be bothered. No hospitality whatsoever. Always love their confused faces when you invite them for dinner and they are surprised what effort you made. They don't see things like that in their entire life. You know how people survive such circumstances when you visit countries like Georgia. Can also start with Eastern Europe for that matter.

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    Post  sepheronx on Sun Jun 29, 2014 8:29 am

    Maybe. But all I am referring to is the general costs. I understand prices are going up nearly everywhere. I think it is the fault of the governments for not putting on a cap regarding housing and food prices since these create bubbles that eventually crash. Housing market concept is a Bush concept that created millionairs overnight, but the bubble will burst, and it would be Georgia's best interest, along with pretty much any other country, to put a cap on housing prices. Because it is becoming hard to purchase a home anywhere, and if wages are not going up, then the cost of living should go down.

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    Post  Regular on Sun Jun 29, 2014 2:19 pm

    TheGeorgian wrote:
    Regular wrote:Yeah, CCTV in Police cars help, but police gets ridiculous low money. I earn their monthly wage in 3 days while working in UK.
    But what about corruption outside police.

    You have no idea what you're saying. A salery of $700+ is far from "redicilously low" in such countries. Half of Germany is earning less than that lmao.  It's not only CCTV and fancy toys, everything has been reformed, renewed, retrained and polished. From education to policy etc. Corruption is very low in there, probably one of the lowest in the world. Why ? because the justice system is rolling consequently and you can't threaten or fool people anymore that easily especialy since Mishas gone .... and trust me, people keep the lines busy. You do, you'll be loured into false contact meetings, they record you via hidden cameras and they've got you by the balls or arrest you some day with enough evidences. Sure, things like bribing will allways happen between the people in some scale. But it became very unlike and dangerous to do and if you do anyway, you'll be caught soon or later. Not worth it. Corruption was allways more of the administrations thing. But especialy since it got replaced nobody is safe from prosecution, no matter what position you have. Unlike other countries.

    I was talking about my country and our police. $700 is still crap money if You ask me. My wee cousin who works 25 hours in carwash earns more than that. Easy job, no stress, no paperwork, just spraying and paying.
    Our cops get around $600 p/m. It's degrading. No one would never look our policeman straight in his eyes, he is just low paid jackal, lowest level of society, a stupid who couldn't find better job or leave the country. I think the hate is mutual. When they see me car and it cost more than their lifely belongings they just want to rip You off. Our living cost is close to rich EU countries, products cost the same, only services are way cheaper.
    Every one wants to live with the same standards like we see in Western Europe. We work more, longer and no doubt better. But where is the product? Where is the money? Where does EU funds go? Estonia in this regard is 1000 years ahead of us.

    I'm happy for Your people that You managed to tackle corruption, but we in EU still have it and it doesn't go away by itself. EU funds were stolen by everyone who laid their hands on.
    Pretty sure if they would start proper anticorruption program half of our gov would be compromised. Hell I bet it's 10x worse in Romania, Hungary and Bulgaria, no offence to people there, but those countries look worse then us in 90s. They probably have more apparatchiks than us..

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    Post  Regular on Sun Jun 29, 2014 2:41 pm

    TheGeorgian wrote:
    Suspicions, everyone is a stranger, no neighbourly touch at all etc. Rather prefer to be locked in their homes and don't be bothered. No hospitality whatsoever. Always love their confused faces when you invite them for dinner and they are surprised what effort you made. They don't see things like that in their entire life. You know how people survive such circumstances when you visit countries like Georgia. Can also start with Eastern Europe for that matter.
    Strange. You described typical Lithuanian. Plus we have special kind of Schadenfreude. Even amongst my family. My Lithuanian side of family are backstabbers who would fight for smallest piece of land. Disgusting. My Russian side of family is way more wealthier and has no grudge against each other. But still no one helps each other when it comes to money. But if it's potato harvest - then yeah we can get international brigade from 4 countries...
    By the way Georgians always were very friendly when I met them. Never thought of them as closed people.

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    Post  zino on Mon Jun 30, 2014 10:28 pm

    I wish to thank you all for the civilized conversation you are holding. I'm learning new facts about Russia and near abroad without retarded delusions. Thank you again.

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    Post  TheGeorgian on Sat Jul 05, 2014 7:58 pm

    Regular wrote:
    Strange. You described typical Lithuanian. Plus we have special kind of Schadenfreude. Even amongst my family. My Lithuanian side of family are backstabbers who would fight for smallest piece of land. Disgusting. My Russian side of family is way more wealthier and has no grudge against each other. But still no one helps each other when it comes to money. But if it's potato harvest - then yeah we can get international brigade from 4 countries...
    By the way Georgians always were very friendly when I met them. Never thought of them as closed people.

    eh, it's wild to assume you'll find the same mentality everywhere. I can only tell from where I come from or what country I live or people I've talked to. I was actualy thinking about Balkan states.

    Yeah Georgians are very open people. Armenians too. But that's general mentality of the Caucasus region regarding that.

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    Post  George1 on Thu Jul 31, 2014 3:02 pm

    Russia plans to suspend free trade agreement with Georgia

    MOSCOW, July 30, /ITAR-TASS/. Russia plans to suspend the 1994 agreement on free trade with Georgia which signed an association agreement with the European Union.

    Association agreements were signed at the end of July with Georgia and Moldova, and the economic part of the association agreement with Ukraine. Documents point to harmonisation of the three countries’ laws to align with European legislation and establishment of a free trade zone with the European Union.

    Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev said with this in view that Russia could take measures to protect its economy as Georgia, Ukraine and Moldova are also in a zone of free trade with Russia.

    Earlier reports on Wednesday said the Ministry of Economic Development had drafted a government instruction to impose import duties on goods from Ukraine.

    Import duties are to be paid, on 130 items, in particular on beef, pork, cheeses, farmer cheese and chocolate, as well as pipes, clothes, cosmetics, construction materials, cars and other goods.

    The Russian Ministry of Economic Development has also drafted a government resolution that can unilaterally introduce import duties for Moldovan products.

    The measure may apply to such products as meat, fruit and vegetables, grain, sugar, beer, wine, and furniture - 19 in all.

    As in the case with Ukraine, the duties will be identical to those used for countries which enjoy the most favoured nation status in trade with Russia.

    At present, Moldovan products are imported to Russia duty free as both countries have signed a free trade agreement.

    Russia can adopt non-zero rates according to Annex 6 to the CIS free trade agreement. If imports from a country that is party to the treaty grow so that to harm the Russian market, Moscow may abolish preferences and impose a basic customs tariff.

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    Post  George1 on Mon Nov 24, 2014 12:51 pm

    Putin, Abkhazian president to meet, sign Strategic Partnership Treaty

    The top-level talks will also touch upon urgent issues of bilateral relations and interaction in the regional security sphere

    MOSCOW, November 24. /TASS/. Russian President Vladimir Putin will on Monday meet with Abkhazian President Raul Khadzhimba, who is arriving in Russia on Putin’s invitation, in the southern Russian Black Sea resort of Sochi, the Kremlin reported.

    Russia-Abkhazia strategic partnership treaty to provide for coordinated foreign policy

    The two leaders are expected to sign the Russian-Abkhazian Treaty on Allied Relations and Strategic Partnership, the statement said.

    The top-level talks will also touch upon urgent issues of bilateral relations and interaction in the regional security sphere.

    On Sunday, Khadzhimba said the signing of the treaty will become “one more step in strengthening our relations with Russia.”

    Speaking about advantages provided by the treaty, the Abkhazian leader said: “We have the opportunity to ensure our own long-term security. And we certainly are assuming commitments to ensure the security of our ally - Russia. These are equal relations of two sovereign states.”

    Two days before, he also stressed that the treaty underlines Abkhazia’s sovereignty and independence.

    On November 20, the Russian government submitted to Putin a proposal to sign the Treaty on Allied Relations and Strategic Partnership with Abkhazia.

    The treaty in particular envisions that the Russian Federation “will in all possible ways contribute to strengthening the international ties of the Republic of Abkhazia, including expansion of the range of states that officially recognized it, and creation of conditions for the admission of the Republic of Abkhazia to international organizations and associations, including those established on the initiative and/or with assistance from the Russian Federation.”

    The document also says that should one of the sides come under aggression (armed attack) from any state or a group of states, “this will be considered as aggression [armed attack] also against the other State party.” In this case, the sides will grant each other “the necessary assistance, including military, and render support by available means to exercise the right to collective defense.”

    The treaty stipulates the establishment of a Joint Group of Forces of the Russian Federation’s Armed Forces and Abkhazia’s Armed Forces to repel aggression. It will be established not later than a year since the treaty’s entry into force.

    Russia is to provide funds to modernize Abkhazia’s army not later than three years since the treaty’s coming into force, including stage-by-stage unification of standards of military administration, logistical assistance, monetary allowances and social guarantees of servicemen. Abkhazia’s Armed Forces will also be trained and equipped with modern armaments.

    A few points of the document are devoted to guarding of the Abkhazian-Georgian border, whose engineering and technical fitting out is to be completed in two years. The sides are also expected to jointly guard the border. Besides, the treaty stipulates “absolute freedom of crossing of the Russian-Abkhazian state border with account for restrictions established for security reasons.”

    In the customs law sphere, Abkhazia will have to harmonize within three years from the treaty’s entry into forces its laws with acts of the Eurasian Economic Union of Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan and Armenia, and in the part not regulated by the acts - with laws of the Russian Federation. Abkhazia will also have to bring its budget laws closer to Russian ones.

    Russia, in line with the document, will “adopt additional measures aimed to streamline procedures to acquire citizenship of the Russian Federation by nationals of the Republic of Abkhazia.”

    Russia will also co-finance the raising of wages in Abkhazia “for the key categories of employees of state institutions in the sphere of healthcare, education, science, culture, sports and social servicing of citizens to a level comparable with the wage level of relevant categories of workers in the Southern Federal District of the Russian Federation.”

    The same will apply to pensions of Abkhazian residents having Russian citizenship.

    The treaty is concluded for 10 years with the possibility to extend it for subsequent five-year periods.

    Russia and Georgia cut off diplomatic ties after Russia recognized as independent two Georgian breakaway republics of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. The recognition followed Georgia's attack on South Ossetia that entailed Russia's peacemaking operation in August 2008.

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    Post  George1 on Mon Feb 09, 2015 3:37 pm

    Georgian Prime Minister Says Tbilisi Ready to Negotiate With Russia

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    Post  whir on Tue May 05, 2015 3:37 pm

    ITAR-TASS wrote:South Ossetia suspends easy rules of crossing border with Georgia for three days
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    The measure is expected to enhance public security during celebrations on the occasion of the V-Day’s 70th anniversary, the press office of South Ossetia’s State Security Committee said

    TSKHINVAL, May 5. /TASS/. South Ossetia on May 8-10 will suspend the operation of checkpoints on the border with Georgia that let locals travel either way according to simpler rules, the press office of South Ossetia’s State Security Committee has said. The measure is expected to enhance public security during celebrations on the occasion of the V-Day’s 70th anniversary, the State Security Committee said, adding that the routine border crossing procedures would resume as of May 11. Continue reading

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    Post  GarryB on Wed May 06, 2015 12:19 am

    When you read between the lines that says they think there might be trouble and they are taking precautions to lower the risk...

    I wonder if the participants of the Moscow parade will be parading with a full load of live ammo in case the Ukrainians try to pull something during the parade... Twisted Evil


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    Post  George1 on Mon May 25, 2015 6:17 pm

    South Ossetia Closes Border With Georgia Over Security Concerns

    The South Caucasus breakaway republic of South Ossetia is shutting down its southern border with Georgia on Monday over a reported security threat, its security authority said.

    TSKHINVAL (Sputnik) – The republic’s State Security Committee said it had been alerted to a plot by right-wing forces in Georgia to cross into the republic ahead of Georgia’s Independence Day celebrations on Tuesday.

    "To avoid a destabilization on the republic’s border, it was decided to close border crossings from Georgia starting on May 25 and until the alert is lifted," the security agency said.

    South Ossetians will be allowed to cross into Georgia on special permits.

    The security agency’s spokesperson said they were preparing for possible provocations on the border by allies of Georgia’s former US-backed President Mikheil Saakashvili, who now resides outside of the country.

    May 26 marks the day when Georgia, a former part of the Russian Empire, adopted an Act of Independence after the 1917 Russian Revolution and proclaimed its sovereignty.

    South Ossetians, who broke away from Georgia in 2008, fear that the celebrations may reignite nationalist sentiment. The republic is considered by the government in Tbilisi to be an occupied territory.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/world/20150525/1022539969.html#ixzz3bARzqAns

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