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    Re: Su-25SM numbers

    Post  franco on Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:31 pm

    Six Su-25SM3's arrive in the South Military District.

    https://ria.ru/arms/20180418/1518870970.html
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    Post  LMFS on Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:06 am

    franco wrote:Six Su-25SM3's arrive in the South Military District.

    https://ria.ru/arms/20180418/1518870970.html

    Finally, great news! They are needed in Syria, hopefully those numbers can be increased soon.

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    Re: Su-25SM numbers

    Post  George1 on Fri May 04, 2018 12:43 pm

    Upgrade of another eight Su-25 attack aircraft to the Su-25SM3 variant

    As reported on May 3, 2018 by RIA Novosti, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation is conducting a tender for repairs with the modernization of Su-25 type aircraft to Su-25SM3 variant, the maximum contract price is 1.6 billion rubles, according to materials on the public procurement portal.

    It is stated that by November 10, 2019, the Russian Defense Ministry expects to receive four modernized ground-attack aircraft. The contractor is scheduled to be determined in early June following a closed auction.



    According to information on the site of state procurement, last year the Ministry of Defense concluded a similar contract with JSC "121 aircraft repair plant" [Kubinka]. It is indicated that the work on the modernization of four attack aircraft will be completed before the end of this year.

    On the bmpd side, we will point out that by the beginning of 2018, the JSC "121 aircraft repair plant" (Kubinka) carried out a serial upgrade of a total of 14 Su-25 airplanes in accordance with the Su-25SM3 variant - five in 2016 under the first contract costing up to 1.75 billion rubles from The Ministry of Defense of Russia, concluded in December 2015, and nine in 2017 under a contract in 2016 worth 3.41 billion rubles (in both cases, the cost of modernization does not seem to include the cost of the station of active jamming of the air defense complex installed on the aircraft "Viteb K-25 ").

    Thus, taking into account the presence of two prototypes of Su-25SM3, designated as Su-25SM3-01 and Su-25SM3-02, to date, up to the level of Su-25SM3 modernized, according to known data, 16 aircraft.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3184641.html


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    Re: Su-25SM numbers

    Post  LMFS on Fri May 04, 2018 2:51 pm

    George1 wrote:Upgrade of another eight Su-25 attack aircraft to the Su-25SM3 variant

     As reported on May 3, 2018 by RIA Novosti, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation is conducting a tender for repairs with the modernization of Su-25 type aircraft to Su-25SM3 variant, the maximum contract price is 1.6 billion rubles, according to materials on the public procurement portal.

     It is stated that by November 10, 2019, the Russian Defense Ministry expects to receive four modernized ground-attack aircraft. The contractor is scheduled to be determined in early June following a closed auction.



    According to information on the site of state procurement, last year the Ministry of Defense concluded a similar contract with JSC "121 aircraft repair plant" [Kubinka]. It is indicated that the work on the modernization of four attack aircraft will be completed before the end of this year.

    On the bmpd side, we will point out that by the beginning of 2018, the JSC "121 aircraft repair plant" (Kubinka) carried out a serial upgrade of a total of 14 Su-25 airplanes in accordance with the Su-25SM3 variant - five in 2016 under the first contract costing up to 1.75 billion rubles from The Ministry of Defense of Russia, concluded in December 2015, and nine in 2017 under a contract in 2016 worth 3.41 billion rubles (in both cases, the cost of modernization does not seem to include the cost of the station of active jamming of the air defense complex installed on the aircraft "Viteb K-25 ").

    Thus, taking into account the presence of two prototypes of Su-25SM3, designated as Su-25SM3-01 and Su-25SM3-02, to date, up to the level of Su-25SM3 modernized, according to known data, 16 aircraft.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3184641.html

    You beat me to it George1 Very Happy

    Any ideas, how these planes are supposed to counter MANPADS, only through flares? It seems there is no place for DIRCM in the airframe but, since they operate mainly at low altitudes, they are terribly exposed to this threat. If the plane cannot perform safely even counter-insurgence missions it has little future IMO, maybe not enough even to justify the updates to SM3 version...

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    Re: Su-25SM numbers

    Post  Hole on Fri May 04, 2018 4:47 pm

    Vitebsk self defence suite:
    3 UV sensors under the belly
    2 ECM packs (instead of short range air-to-air missiles)
    UV-26 chaff and flare dispensers
    can use anti-radar missiles
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    Re: Su-25SM numbers

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Fri May 04, 2018 5:34 pm

    I haven't looked into the SM3 in some time, someone save me the trouble how many of these do the russians planes to acquire.

    they have roughly 270's SU-25's of all types in service right now.
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    Post  Cyberspec on Sat May 05, 2018 10:13 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:I haven't looked into the SM3 in some time, someone save me the trouble how many of these do the russians planes to acquire.

    they have roughly 270's SU-25's of all types in service right now.

    Only small batches so far and AFAIK they haven't announced any target numbers to be upgraded...I would guess all the ones in active service will get upgraded over time
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    Re: Su-25SM numbers

    Post  LMFS on Sat May 05, 2018 10:44 am

    Hole wrote:Vitebsk self defence suite:
    3 UV sensors under the belly
    2 ECM packs (instead of short range air-to-air missiles)
    UV-26 chaff and flare dispensers
    can use anti-radar missiles

    Thanks Hole, this is what I was referring to. Apart from the missile warning and flares there is essentially nothing to help against MANPADS I am afraid. Do you think this is robust enough to perform CAS nowadays, would tactics would allow a safe use against such threat? A-10s are also not protected specifically against MANPADs, maybe planes unlike helicopter are indeed capable of outrunning the missiles if warning is given with enough time, not sure. Since you cannot send your pilots to die, one option would be Su-25 abandoning low level attacks altogether, but then I think there are other planes with better characteristics.

    Maybe a podded DIRCM system (Northrop-Grumman "Guardian" depicted) could help in critical environments:



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    Re: Su-25SM numbers

    Post  Hole on Sat May 05, 2018 11:04 am

    A DIRCM is part of the Vitebsk suite. It can be found in helicopters and on the Il-96 used by the russian president. They didn´t put it on the Su-25 for some reason (maybe space).



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    Re: Su-25SM numbers

    Post  LMFS on Sat May 05, 2018 11:29 am

    Hole wrote:

    The "balls".

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    Re: Su-25SM numbers

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat May 05, 2018 11:53 am

    Hole wrote: The "balls".

    lasers to blind missile sensors?
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    Post  Militarov on Sat May 05, 2018 12:39 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:I haven't looked into the SM3 in some time, someone save me the trouble how many of these do the russians planes to acquire.

    they have roughly 270's SU-25's of all types in service right now.

    New contract is for 8 i believe... till 2020.

    And i think abit less 25s remain today in active service.
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    Re: Su-25SM numbers

    Post  LMFS on Sat May 05, 2018 3:10 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Hole wrote: The "balls".

    lasers to blind missile sensors?

    Yep, the full Vitebsk suite includes this. AFAIK no helicopters used in Syria are allowed without it.

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    Re: Su-25SM numbers

    Post  GarryB on Sun May 06, 2018 1:26 am

    lasers to blind missile sensors?

    Yes, two ball turrets with laser dazzlers to blind the EO seekers of incoming missiles...


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    Re: Su-25SM numbers

    Post  LMFS on Tue May 08, 2018 2:17 am

    Yet another summary, not very detailed, of the SM3 updates on RIA:

    https://ria.ru/defense_safety/20180504/1519847766.html


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