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    Re: Su-25SM numbers

    Post  franco on Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:31 pm

    Six Su-25SM3's arrive in the South Military District.

    https://ria.ru/arms/20180418/1518870970.html
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    Post  LMFS on Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:06 am

    franco wrote:Six Su-25SM3's arrive in the South Military District.

    https://ria.ru/arms/20180418/1518870970.html

    Finally, great news! They are needed in Syria, hopefully those numbers can be increased soon.

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    Re: Su-25SM numbers

    Post  George1 on Fri May 04, 2018 12:43 pm

    Upgrade of another eight Su-25 attack aircraft to the Su-25SM3 variant

    As reported on May 3, 2018 by RIA Novosti, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation is conducting a tender for repairs with the modernization of Su-25 type aircraft to Su-25SM3 variant, the maximum contract price is 1.6 billion rubles, according to materials on the public procurement portal.

    It is stated that by November 10, 2019, the Russian Defense Ministry expects to receive four modernized ground-attack aircraft. The contractor is scheduled to be determined in early June following a closed auction.



    According to information on the site of state procurement, last year the Ministry of Defense concluded a similar contract with JSC "121 aircraft repair plant" [Kubinka]. It is indicated that the work on the modernization of four attack aircraft will be completed before the end of this year.

    On the bmpd side, we will point out that by the beginning of 2018, the JSC "121 aircraft repair plant" (Kubinka) carried out a serial upgrade of a total of 14 Su-25 airplanes in accordance with the Su-25SM3 variant - five in 2016 under the first contract costing up to 1.75 billion rubles from The Ministry of Defense of Russia, concluded in December 2015, and nine in 2017 under a contract in 2016 worth 3.41 billion rubles (in both cases, the cost of modernization does not seem to include the cost of the station of active jamming of the air defense complex installed on the aircraft "Viteb K-25 ").

    Thus, taking into account the presence of two prototypes of Su-25SM3, designated as Su-25SM3-01 and Su-25SM3-02, to date, up to the level of Su-25SM3 modernized, according to known data, 16 aircraft.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3184641.html
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    Post  LMFS on Fri May 04, 2018 2:51 pm

    George1 wrote:Upgrade of another eight Su-25 attack aircraft to the Su-25SM3 variant

     As reported on May 3, 2018 by RIA Novosti, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation is conducting a tender for repairs with the modernization of Su-25 type aircraft to Su-25SM3 variant, the maximum contract price is 1.6 billion rubles, according to materials on the public procurement portal.

     It is stated that by November 10, 2019, the Russian Defense Ministry expects to receive four modernized ground-attack aircraft. The contractor is scheduled to be determined in early June following a closed auction.



    According to information on the site of state procurement, last year the Ministry of Defense concluded a similar contract with JSC "121 aircraft repair plant" [Kubinka]. It is indicated that the work on the modernization of four attack aircraft will be completed before the end of this year.

    On the bmpd side, we will point out that by the beginning of 2018, the JSC "121 aircraft repair plant" (Kubinka) carried out a serial upgrade of a total of 14 Su-25 airplanes in accordance with the Su-25SM3 variant - five in 2016 under the first contract costing up to 1.75 billion rubles from The Ministry of Defense of Russia, concluded in December 2015, and nine in 2017 under a contract in 2016 worth 3.41 billion rubles (in both cases, the cost of modernization does not seem to include the cost of the station of active jamming of the air defense complex installed on the aircraft "Viteb K-25 ").

    Thus, taking into account the presence of two prototypes of Su-25SM3, designated as Su-25SM3-01 and Su-25SM3-02, to date, up to the level of Su-25SM3 modernized, according to known data, 16 aircraft.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3184641.html

    You beat me to it George1 Very Happy

    Any ideas, how these planes are supposed to counter MANPADS, only through flares? It seems there is no place for DIRCM in the airframe but, since they operate mainly at low altitudes, they are terribly exposed to this threat. If the plane cannot perform safely even counter-insurgence missions it has little future IMO, maybe not enough even to justify the updates to SM3 version...

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    Re: Su-25SM numbers

    Post  Hole on Fri May 04, 2018 4:47 pm

    Vitebsk self defence suite:
    3 UV sensors under the belly
    2 ECM packs (instead of short range air-to-air missiles)
    UV-26 chaff and flare dispensers
    can use anti-radar missiles
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    Re: Su-25SM numbers

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Fri May 04, 2018 5:34 pm

    I haven't looked into the SM3 in some time, someone save me the trouble how many of these do the russians planes to acquire.

    they have roughly 270's SU-25's of all types in service right now.
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    Post  Cyberspec on Sat May 05, 2018 10:13 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:I haven't looked into the SM3 in some time, someone save me the trouble how many of these do the russians planes to acquire.

    they have roughly 270's SU-25's of all types in service right now.

    Only small batches so far and AFAIK they haven't announced any target numbers to be upgraded...I would guess all the ones in active service will get upgraded over time
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    Re: Su-25SM numbers

    Post  LMFS on Sat May 05, 2018 10:44 am

    Hole wrote:Vitebsk self defence suite:
    3 UV sensors under the belly
    2 ECM packs (instead of short range air-to-air missiles)
    UV-26 chaff and flare dispensers
    can use anti-radar missiles

    Thanks Hole, this is what I was referring to. Apart from the missile warning and flares there is essentially nothing to help against MANPADS I am afraid. Do you think this is robust enough to perform CAS nowadays, would tactics would allow a safe use against such threat? A-10s are also not protected specifically against MANPADs, maybe planes unlike helicopter are indeed capable of outrunning the missiles if warning is given with enough time, not sure. Since you cannot send your pilots to die, one option would be Su-25 abandoning low level attacks altogether, but then I think there are other planes with better characteristics.

    Maybe a podded DIRCM system (Northrop-Grumman "Guardian" depicted) could help in critical environments:



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    Re: Su-25SM numbers

    Post  Hole on Sat May 05, 2018 11:04 am

    A DIRCM is part of the Vitebsk suite. It can be found in helicopters and on the Il-96 used by the russian president. They didn´t put it on the Su-25 for some reason (maybe space).



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    Post  LMFS on Sat May 05, 2018 11:29 am

    Hole wrote:

    The "balls".

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat May 05, 2018 11:53 am

    Hole wrote: The "balls".

    lasers to blind missile sensors?
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    Post  Militarov on Sat May 05, 2018 12:39 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:I haven't looked into the SM3 in some time, someone save me the trouble how many of these do the russians planes to acquire.

    they have roughly 270's SU-25's of all types in service right now.

    New contract is for 8 i believe... till 2020.

    And i think abit less 25s remain today in active service.
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    Post  LMFS on Sat May 05, 2018 3:10 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Hole wrote: The "balls".

    lasers to blind missile sensors?

    Yep, the full Vitebsk suite includes this. AFAIK no helicopters used in Syria are allowed without it.

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    Re: Su-25SM numbers

    Post  GarryB on Sun May 06, 2018 1:26 am

    lasers to blind missile sensors?

    Yes, two ball turrets with laser dazzlers to blind the EO seekers of incoming missiles...
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    Post  LMFS on Tue May 08, 2018 2:17 am

    Yet another summary, not very detailed, of the SM3 updates on RIA:

    https://ria.ru/defense_safety/20180504/1519847766.html

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    Re: Su-25SM numbers

    Post  franco on Sun Jun 10, 2018 10:05 pm

    It became known the cost of upgrading the Su-25 to the version of "Supergrach"

    The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation ordered the modernization of four Su-25 assault planes to the Su-25SM3 version, also known as "Supergrach". This became known from the procurement notice posted on the official website of the unified information system in the procurement sphere.

    The total amount of the state contract amounted to 1.605 billion rubles. It turns out that the cost of repair and modernization of one machine is just over 401 million rubles. All work on the modernization of attack aircraft should be completed by November 10, 2019.

    Recall that the combat effectiveness of Supergrach compared to the usual Su-25 has increased almost threefold. Storm Troopers received a new sighting and navigation complex, allowing to increase the accuracy of unguided aircraft means of destruction.

    The renewed Su-25SM3 is also equipped with a Vitebsk-25 electronic warfare complex, which protects the aircraft from missiles with thermal homing heads. In addition to Vitebsk, onboard the Su-25SM3, electronic warfare systems have been installed, which will hamper the defeat of our attack aircraft with missiles guided by radar.
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    Post  Hole on Mon Jun 11, 2018 10:54 am

    Storm Troopers?
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    Re: Su-25SM numbers

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:04 pm

    They didn´t put it on the Su-25 for some reason (maybe space).

    That's a shitty excuse. By that logic it would be impossible to put a DIRCM on the Su-57. As for the Su-25, they can put a DIRCM on:

    The tail rod

    Just behind the cockpit

    Pilons

    Belly behind the engine intakes
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    Re: Su-25SM numbers

    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:16 pm

    They are relying on the UV sensors to pick up manpads which apparently, is very effective against surface to air missiles.
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    Post  medo on Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:42 am



    Su-25SM3 cockpit




    Su-25SM cockpit

    Some differences between Su-25SM and Su-25SM3, which didn't got only new LCD display in front of HUD, but also a new radio panel under the left MFD for new data link radio station.
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    Post  AMCXXL on Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:47 pm

    Su-25SM(3) from Siria retrun to Krasnodar

    At least 6 pieces:Nº90 , 91 , 92 , 94 , 95 , 96


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    Post  George1 on Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:34 pm

    @AMCXXL do you have any data on total numbers of Su-25s and Su-25SMs in VKS?
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    Post  AMCXXL on Sun Jul 22, 2018 11:54 am

    George1 wrote:@AMCXXL do you have any data on total numbers of Su-25s and Su-25SMs in VKS?


    The numbers are the same:

    10 combat squadrons + Squadron at Lípetsk and sqad of UB in Kuschevskaya
    In total about 180 in service (about 135 single seat and 45 two seat) airplanes and several dozens more in reserve


    The number of modernized SM was 84 (43 batch-1 and 41 batch-2)

    It is known that at least 6 were lost in wars (Georgia, Syria) or accidents
    Two habe been upgraded to SM-3 as pilot batch:
    RF-95489   Nº50  (Ex-Nº02 368 ShAP)
    RF-95482   Nº90  (Ex-Nº05 368 ShAP)
    So the number remaining are 76 Su-25SM as much, enough for 6 combat squadrons

    This means that is necesary to upgrede about 50 Su-25 to standard SM-3 , for the other 4 combat squadrons waiting for modernization
    The numbers contracted was: 2(pilot)+5+9+8, total 24

    For the moment there are in theory 16 Su-25M-3 including the two of pilot batch
    The first 6 was delivered to Siria and have returned to Promorsko-Akhtarsk: Nº90 (RF-95130) , Nº91 , 92 , 94 , 95 . 96
    The others known (07, 07 , 27, 28, 72...)only was seen at kubinka ARZ 121 in spring , but was announced the delivery to South District several months ago or probably Will go to the Siria combat group as replacement of the others returned
    The registrations of all these new Su-25SM-3 are new, so that indicates have been taken from the reserve

    Photos from Kubinka ARZ 121
    http://www.121arz.ru/fotogid/fotogid.html

    Su-25 in the parking outside ARZ 121 , waiting for modernization


    Su-25SM-3 Nº07 and Nº91 inside ARZ 121


    Su-25UBM Nº21 .This could be a clue about the future of modernization of the Su-25 two seater fleet
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    Post  AMCXXL on Sun Jul 22, 2018 1:12 pm

    http://militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=475842


    Approximately 200 Russian Air Force attack aircraft could be upgraded to Su-25SM3
    03/12/2018 9:39:00 AM
    Deliveries of "Grachs" in the newest modification are stipulated by the state program of armament until 2027
         
    Moscow. 12 March. INTERFAX-AVN - The entire fleet of assault aircraft of the Russian Air Force could be upgraded to the Su-25SM3 appearance, an informed source in the aviation industry told Interfax.
    "A sufficiently large number of aircraft (Su-25 and Su-25SM-IF) are planned for the state program of armament until 2027, which need to be modernized, but the relevant contracts have not yet been signed," the spokesman said.
    According to him, at the moment,the need to modernize all the ground-attack planes to the Su-25SM3 appearance is being discussed.

    Currently, the Su-25SM3 is flying tests, the entire complex of which is planned to be completed during 2018.
           "We need to test the work of all the newest systems, confirms whether the aircraft meets the specifications given by the technical assignment." This work will be carried out in the next three months, then combat work will be carried out, "the source said

    As reported, the Su-25SM3 flight tests began in January 2017. In the course of their implementation, the need to refine the software of some aircraft systems was revealed, which was done. The ground-attack aircraft in the newest version received an ultra-precise sighting complex SOLT-25, a new communications complex, an onboard defense complex (VKO) Vitebsk, to protect the aircraft from ground-based missile complexes of the enemy, as well as more accurate means of destruction.
          The development of the modified version of the Su-25 is conducted by the Research and Production Concern "Sukhoi Shturmoviks", direct modernization of the aircraft is carried out at the 121st aircraft repair plant in the Moscow region of Kubinka

    This may mean that not only the airplanes without modernizing, but also the existing Su-25SM and even the two seaters UB's would be elevated to the SM-3 standard in the next years under the program of armaments 2018-2027

    This make sense because the modernization Su-25SM started in 2006 and for the moment Su-25 has not replacement

    If the entire Su-25 fleet is upgraded to standard Su-25SM-3 , the replacement for Su-25 will be for the period 2030-2040
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    Re: Su-25SM numbers

    Post  medo on Sat Jul 28, 2018 12:06 pm

    AMCXXL wrote:Photos from Kubinka ARZ 121
    http://www.121arz.ru/fotogid/fotogid.html

    There are some Su-25UB in Kubinka ARZ. I wonder if they will only go through overhaul or they will be modernized to SM3 standard as well. Modernizing Su-25UB into Su-25UBM with SOLT-25 in the nose, L-150 RWR, MAWS sensors, ECM pods, SATNAV equipment, new FCS computer and new data link communications would be very important for Su-25SM3 tactical groups. In Syria we could see, that Su-25SM was very dependent to group command post like Su-30SM or Su-34 for target delivery in the night time. The second pilot in Su-25UBM could work as WSO and group commander working with data link communication in data network receiving info from outside sources and from the group and deliver targets and coordinate the work of the group and the work with others inside larger network. Integration in wider network will really improve capabilities of Su-25SM3 together with new weapons like anti-radar missiles, stand-off gliding bombs and other PGMs. They will be very effective in supporting ground troops day and night together with Mi-28N and Ka-52 helicopters.

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