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    Re: Su-25SM numbers

    Post  Viktor on Wed Aug 12, 2015 5:55 pm

    Nice thumbsup

    2015Modernization of the first combat training Su-25UB
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    Post  franco on Wed Aug 12, 2015 9:53 pm

    Viktor wrote:Nice  thumbsup

    2015Modernization of the first combat training Su-25UB

    Interesting because I had read way back when the Su-25SM came out that it included an order for 2 UB's to be upgraded to UBM.
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    Post  George1 on Thu Aug 13, 2015 2:33 am

    Photos from the airfield of Chernigovka equipped with modernized Su-25SM











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    Post  medo on Thu Aug 13, 2015 11:33 pm

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1-v7ROrqrc

    Nice video from Su-25SM simulator. Very Happy
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    Post  George1 on Wed Sep 09, 2015 11:28 pm

    Russian Fighter Pilots Polishing Low Altitude Skills on Su-25s

    Russian pilots are mastering clandestine maneuvers to avoid anti-aircraft missile systems.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) – Russian pilots in the Southern Military District are currently increasing their skills in extremely low altitude flights on Su-25SM Frogfoot close air support jets, the Russian Defense Ministry’s Southern Military District’s press service said Wednesday.

    “During the flight training at extremely low altitude [as low as 25 meters above the ground], the military pilots will complete tasks of clandestine maneuvers of the fighter jets to avoid anti-aircraft missile systems of a conditional enemy,” the press service said in a statement.

    The pilots will also practice emergency drills to include engine cutouts.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20150909/1026778353.html#ixzz3lHMeG6QZ


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    Re: Su-25SM numbers

    Post  medo on Fri Sep 11, 2015 10:13 pm





    Su-25SM3 will get new L-150-16M RWR/ELINT complex, which was tested and will soon be in serial production. This new RWR will be also installed in Su-27 derivates. L-150-16M not only passively target ground based radars for anti-radar missiles, but also air targets for R-77 and R-27P/EP missiles.

    Together with MAWS sensors, radar jammers and maybe even LWRs, Su-25SM3 will have similar ESM complex as Spectra in Rafale.
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    Post  sepheronx on Sat Sep 12, 2015 8:47 am

    Very interesting.

    So this will give Su-25SM the capabilities to launch anti radiation missiles as well as launch air to air without a need of a radar, but simply a way to pick up the signals from radar? Awesome!

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    Post  mutantsushi on Sun Sep 13, 2015 12:58 am

    Wonder if PAKFA's DIRCM will be making it onto Su-25, or future revamp of platform?
    I'm not exactly sure what they would want to accomplish with cleansheet PAKSHA (?) design,
    that they couldn't accomplish with modernized Su-25 with new engines, avionics, subsystems (all electric actuators?)
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    Post  medo on Tue Oct 06, 2015 5:59 pm



    http://www.redstar.ru/index.php/2011-07-25-15-57-07/item/25635-atakuet-yak-130

    Important part of upgrading Su-25 to Su-25SM3 will be replacing the old Klen-PS laser targeting device with new SOLT-25 device with laser, TV and thermal imager for all day operation in searching, identifying and engaging targets. There is no need for any modifications in Su-25 as SOLT-25 is the same size as Klen-PS and have the same fixing points. State tests of SOLT-25 will go in this autumn and this complex is also placed in Yak-130 prototype in MAKS-2015.
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    Re: Su-25SM numbers

    Post  medo on Tue Oct 13, 2015 5:12 pm

    http://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=392205

    Russia start with flying testings of twin seater Su-25UBM which will be identical to the most deeply modernized Su-25SM3. Twin seater Su-25UBM is better suited for all weather and night operations so RuAF will modernize Su-25UB to Su-25UBM for trainers in Su-25SM squadrons and for independent squadrons.
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    Post  George1 on Mon Nov 23, 2015 8:23 am

    Some photos of Su-25SMs from flight-tactical exercises in the Eastern Military District in Primorsky Krai.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1592333.html


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    Re: Su-25SM numbers

    Post  iraqidabab on Sat Nov 28, 2015 1:12 am

    What POD/targeting system do the (new) SU-25's use? I can't find any pictures where I see a (FLIR/TV) pod
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    Post  franco on Sat Nov 28, 2015 2:16 am

    iraqidabab wrote:What POD/targeting system do the (new) SU-25's use? I can't find any pictures where I see a (FLIR/TV) pod

    Not a pod, internal in place of AA radar. See latest variant above (3-4 posts)
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    Re: Su-25SM numbers

    Post  George1 on Fri Dec 04, 2015 11:15 am

    The order for the first batch of upgraded Su-25SM3

    The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation posted information on the conduct of the electronic auction for the repair with the modernization of Su-25 variant of the Su-25SM3. Ordered batch of five aircraft will start for the serial version of the modernization of the Su-25SM3 carried out to the level of modernization of the Su-25SM. To 2014 inclusive has been upgraded 84 attack aircraft, including four advanced, two of which are used for development of the next stages of modernization. To date, five of them Su-25SM have been lost.

    The price of works on modernization of the plane defined in 350.2 mln. (in this case it does not include suspended containers Jammer electronic countermeasures complex "Vitebsk-25"), the total initial price of the contract is set at 1,751 billion rubles. Performance time is defined by 25 November 2016.

    The modernization will be carried out in accordance with approved in 2015. 81.0000.M.010.998 specifications, which are available for review as part of the auction documentation.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1608752.html


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    Post  franco on Fri Dec 04, 2015 2:14 pm

    George1 wrote:The order for the first batch of upgraded Su-25SM3

       The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation posted information on the conduct of the electronic auction for the repair with the modernization of Su-25 variant of the Su-25SM3. Ordered batch of five aircraft will start for the serial version of the modernization of the Su-25SM3 carried out to the level of modernization of the Su-25SM. To 2014 inclusive has been upgraded 84 attack aircraft, including four advanced, two of which are used for development of the next stages of modernization. To date, five of them Su-25SM have been lost.

       The price of works on modernization of the plane defined in 350.2 mln. (in this case it does not include suspended containers Jammer electronic countermeasures complex "Vitebsk-25"), the total initial price of the contract is set at 1,751 billion rubles. Performance time is defined by 25 November 2016.

       The modernization will be carried out in accordance with approved in 2015. 81.0000.M.010.998 specifications, which are available for review as part of the auction documentation.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1608752.html

    I'm not sure how to read this. Are the SM3 modernization (5), of those previously modernized to SM standard or other aircraft all together?
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    Re: Su-25SM numbers

    Post  medo on Fri Dec 04, 2015 8:40 pm

    It seems they will modernize standard Su-25 to Su-25SM3. Anyway, they will be the first serial Su-25SM3 equipped with SOLT-25 targeting complex with full night capabilities and with Vitebsk self protection complex. It will also get R-73 AAMs for self defense and the new weapons will be TV guided bombs and missiles. Su-25SM3 will give to RuAF totally new capabilities in CAS missions and I hope it will work well together with Ka-52 and Mi-28N. It will be interesting to see if Ka-52 could take a role of command post of such tactical group to coordinate the work of Ka-52, Mi-28N and Su-25SM3. I would say Ka-52 is best suited to do the similar role as Su-34 does in Syria.
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    Post  Militarov on Fri Dec 04, 2015 9:07 pm

    medo wrote:It seems they will modernize standard Su-25 to Su-25SM3. Anyway, they will be the first serial Su-25SM3 equipped with SOLT-25 targeting complex with full night capabilities and with Vitebsk self protection complex. It will also get R-73 AAMs for self defense and the new weapons will be TV guided bombs and missiles. Su-25SM3 will give to RuAF totally new capabilities in CAS missions and I hope it will work well together with Ka-52 and Mi-28N. It will be interesting to see if Ka-52 could take a role of command post of such tactical group to coordinate the work of Ka-52, Mi-28N and Su-25SM3. I would say Ka-52 is best suited to do the similar role as Su-34 does in Syria.

    Id rather see newly built flying command post based on Mi17 like they existed back in time (well still exist just for armored corps and artillery). Equiped with serious communication equipment, target detection equipment, satelite coms etc, etc. Somewhat like US A2C2S based on UH60 (EH60C) for an example. KA52 can deal with organising and leading actual attacks in cohesion with Mi28s and SU25s, but real serious command flying post needs abit more "spacy" platform.
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    Post  medo on Fri Dec 04, 2015 9:33 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    medo wrote:It seems they will modernize standard Su-25 to Su-25SM3. Anyway, they will be the first serial Su-25SM3 equipped with SOLT-25 targeting complex with full night capabilities and with Vitebsk self protection complex. It will also get R-73 AAMs for self defense and the new weapons will be TV guided bombs and missiles. Su-25SM3 will give to RuAF totally new capabilities in CAS missions and I hope it will work well together with Ka-52 and Mi-28N. It will be interesting to see if Ka-52 could take a role of command post of such tactical group to coordinate the work of Ka-52, Mi-28N and Su-25SM3. I would say Ka-52 is best suited to do the similar role as Su-34 does in Syria.

    Id rather see newly built flying command post based on Mi17 like they existed back in time (well still exist just for armored corps and artillery). Equiped with serious communication equipment, target detection equipment, satelite coms etc, etc. Somewhat like US A2C2S based on UH60 (EH60C) for an example. KA52 can deal with organising and leading actual attacks in cohesion with Mi28s and SU25s, but real serious command flying post needs abit more "spacy" platform.

    Of course neither Ka-52 neither Su-34 could take a job of flying command posts like A-50 AWACS or other big CP planes and helicopters. But with using their radar, advanced optics and data link network, they are great to lead the tactical strike group without big CPs and sharing with the rest in the group their radar and situational picture, target deliveries, sharing informations from outside sources like UAVs etc. Su-34 and Ka-52 have quite similar concept, difference is, that Ka-52 is a helicopter. Considering that Ka-52, Mi-28N and Su-25SM3 will support army troops on the ground, Ka-52 is well suited to coordinate the strikes with its Arbalet radar and its EO complex through data link and to strike the most dangerous targets with its Vikhr and Hermes missiles. Su-25SM3 doesn't have radar and SOLT-25 have quite small angle of looking, so it will be quite important for Su-25SM3 to have Ka-52 around for target delivery, that it could engage targets with the first flight.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Dec 05, 2015 4:16 am

    The new radars being developed for the Mi-28NM might be useful for the Su-25 as a further upgrade... linking it with the EO system would allow much more rapid detection of targets with earlier acquisition allowing much better targeting performance from greater distances using MMW radar detection the EO sight could zoom in an help identify the target for Hermes and Vikhr-M missiles to be used at standoff distances... Indeed depending on the performance of the new MMW radar system there is potential for small light MMW radar guided missiles like Krisantema being guided to multiple targets at one time...


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    Post  Militarov on Tue Dec 08, 2015 3:56 am

    "The trials of the first two upgraded Su-25SM3 combat single seat attack aircraft will start before the end of 2015, a source within the defense industry has told the Russian news agency TASS. "The first two Su-25SM3 aircraft must be commissioned in December. Both aircraft will be shipped for trials. One of them will be delivered to the combat operation and pilot retraining center in Lipetsk for performance evaluation," the source said. According to information published at the defense procurement site the Su-25SM3 and 25-UBM2 two-seat operational trainer version will essentially differ from their predecessors in the avionics composition and the variety of airborne weapons.

    The upgraded attack aircraft are fitted with PrNK-25SM-1 sighting and navigation system comprised of the following: BTsU-25S onboard digital computing system, MFTsI-0332M multifunctional color indicator and SOLT-25 optical laser remote thermal imaging system. In addition, the Su-25SM3 and Su-25UBM2 aircraft got KSS-25 communication system with Banker-8-TM-1 antenna and L370K25 Vitebsk-25 electronic countermeasures system protecting both the individual aircraft and a group of them by providing countermeasures against different radars and homing heads of the enemy air-to-air guided missiles. The Vitebsk-25 system comprises the L370-01 control unit, L370-02K25 module, L370-3S-K25 jammer, direct electronic reconnaissance station with control functions and target designation to L-150-16M homing heads, Zakhvat optronic system, and UV-26M automatic clutter dispenser.

    Also, the aircraft are fitted with T-SOK-UBD-130-03 onboard TV system for objective monitoring of training and combat actions with TKO-29 and MPI-29-01 units, and SUO-39M armament control system product 39PM with BRPI-39P unit. Also, in the course of modernizing the Su-25 attack aircraft the variety of airborne weapons has been expanded. For instance, the Su-25SM3 and Su-25UBM2 will be able to use Kh-58USh, NATO reporting name AS-11 Kilter, Kh-25ML AS-10 Karen and Kh-29L AS-14 Kedge laser homing head guided missiles, TV homing head guided missiles like Kh-29T/TD/TE, and KAB-500S satellite-aided/ and KAB-500Kr TV correlated homing head/ guided aerial bombs.



    In addition, the airborne weapons include a wide range of unguided types like caliber 500 aerial bombs FAB-500, OFAB-500U, OFZAB-500), 250 and 100 kg, and missile armament units B-13L with S-13, B-8M-1 S-8M shells, and S-24 and S-25 shells. Also, the aircraft will be able to attack air targets by two R-73 guided air-to-air short range missiles. In addition they will be armed with the airborne 9A623 caliber 30 mm cannon comprised by the VPU-17A fixed gun mount. The standard ammunition supply is 250 rounds. In the coming years the Russian Aerospace Force is expected to receive several dozen such upgraded attack aircraft."


    Source: http://www.airrecognition.com/index.php/archive-world-worldwide-news-air-force-aviation-aerospace-air-military-defence-industry/global-news-2015/december/2196-trials-campaign-of-the-first-two-upgraded-su-25sm3-fighter-aircraft-to-start-before-2015-end.html
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    Post  Cyberspec on Tue Dec 08, 2015 6:35 am

    Militarov wrote:[i]"The trials of the first two upgraded Su-25SM3......

    Excelent...glad they've gone with the full upgrade. The Su-25 is after all the workhorse of the RuAF and with this upgrade, it should be around for another 10 years or so I reckon
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    Post  George1 on Thu Dec 10, 2015 1:43 pm

    Another 5 Su-25SM3 are planned

    Ministry of Defence may spend 1.7 billion rubles for the modernization of five Su-25


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    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Dec 13, 2015 7:15 am

    George1 wrote:http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1608752.html

    Su-25SM3 with jammers visible

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    Post  Austin on Mon Dec 14, 2015 11:28 am



    Trials of modernised Su-25SM3s to begin by the end of the year

    Nikolai Novichkov, Moscow - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly

    http://www.janes.com/article/56602/trials-of-modernised-su-25sm3s-to-begin-by-the-end-of-the-year

    Trials of the first two upgraded Sukhoi Su-25SM3 single-seat strike aircraft will start before the end of the year, a Russian defence industry source has told IHS Jane's .

    "The first two Su-25SM3 aircraft must be commissioned in December. Both aircraft will be shipped for trials. One of them will be delivered to the combat operation and pilot retraining center in Lipetsk for performance evaluation," the source said.

    According to information published on Russia's defence procurement website, the Su-25SM3 and Su-25UBM2 (a two-seat operational trainer version) will essentially differ from their predecessors in their avionics and their suite of airborne weapons.

    The upgraded attack aircraft will be fitted with the PrNK-25SM-1 sighting and navigation system comprising the following: a BTsU-25S onboard digital computing system, a MFTsI-0332M multifunctional colour display, and a SOLT-25 optical laser remote thermal imaging system. In addition, the Su-25SM3 and Su-25UBM2 will receive the KSS-25 communication system with Banker-8-TM-1 antenna and the L370K25 Vitebsk-25 electronic countermeasures system, which protects the individual platform any other aircraft it flies with by providing countermeasures against different radars and the homing heads of enemy air-to-air guided missiles.

    The upgraded aircraft will also be fitted with the T-SOK-UBD-130-03 onboard TV system for objective monitoring of training and combat actions as well as the SUO-39M armament control system.

    Regarding weaponry, the Su-25SM3 and Su-25UBM2 will be able to use Kh-58USh (NATO reporting name AS-11 'Kilter'), Kh-25ML (AS-10 'Karen') and Kh-29L (AS-14 'Kedge') laser-guided missiles, TV-guided missiles like the Kh-29T/TD/TE, as well as the KAB-500S (satellite-aided) and KAB-500Kr (TV-aided) guided aerial bombs. Each aircraft will be able to carry two R-73 short-range air-to-air missiles for self defence.

    The aircraft will also be able to carry a wide range of unguided bombs (eg FAB-500, OFAB-500U, OFZAB-500) and rockets (S-13, S-24 and S-25) and will be armed with a 9A623 30 mm cannon incorporating the VPU-17A fixed gun mount, the standard ammunition supply for which is 250 rounds.
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    Re: Su-25SM numbers

    Post  GarryB on Tue Dec 15, 2015 12:51 am

    Hopefully the success of the Gefest & T upgrade has shown the Russian military the value of using sensors and computing power to improve the accuracy of unguided weapons.

    As far as I know the Mi-35M upgrades with laser range finding improved the accuracy of unguided weapons for that aircraft significantly... especially at longer ranges as the calculations are fairly straight forward for a computer but tricky for a pilot, so it makes sense to let the computers do the job.

    the result is significantly improved accuracy with cheap dumb weapons and the ability to use them at much greater ranges and still to be effective.

    Unguided rockets like the S-24 and S-25 offer the ability to deliver 125kgs and 150kgs on target from a standoff distance at low cost... well they are often fired in pairs so it is actually 250kgs to 300kgs of HE on target at one time...

    Improved accuracy of unguided cheap ammo means more ammo can be carried and used for the enormous range of battlefield targets that don't require 800mm plus armour penetration performance.

    An oil carrying truck will burn whether it is hit with an expensive ATGM or a cheap unguided rocket.

    Of course for targets like oil storage tanks which are separated and have small walls to prevent the spread of fire a 20m high air burst of HE to shatter the tank structure and then a couple of ZAB incendiary bombs or rockets to ignite the fuel is the best way to deal with the target...

    Good to see the emphasis on self protection for the new aircraft upgrade too...


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