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    Re: Su-25SM numbers

    Post  medo on Thu Dec 05, 2013 8:17 pm

    What are the differences between Su-25SM, Su-25SM3 and Su-25BM mentioned in article?
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    Now we know that unknown number of the Su-25SM3 has been delivered.

    Post  Cyberspec on Thu Dec 05, 2013 11:22 pm

    The Su-25BM is a target towing version. The Su-25SM3 is the latest version of the SM variant
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    Re: Su-25SM numbers

    Post  TR1 on Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:26 pm

    http://russianplanes.net/id126931

    The Su-25 with Omul is active it seems.
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    Post  Cyberspec on Tue Dec 24, 2013 10:57 pm

    TR1 wrote:The Su-25 with Omul is active it seems.

    Nice find...

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    Re: Su-25SM numbers

    Post  Viktor on Sat Jan 11, 2014 12:38 am

    Nice.

    Pilots JUVO made its first flight on upgraded Su-25SM3

    Newest Su-25SM3 production company "Sukhoi" capable of hitting small-sized mobile and stationary ground targets "without visual visibility day and night."
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    Post  TR1 on Sat Jan 11, 2014 2:05 am

    Curious how they do that. So far Su-25SMs have not been seen with any new thermal sighting systems, or radar pods.


    Really hoping Su-25SM3 actually materialized with new targeting systems and active defense features. Otherwise it is just too vulnerable, even with its sturdy build.
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    Re: Su-25SM numbers

    Post  Werewolf on Sat Jan 11, 2014 2:19 am

    I heared the Shkval-V LLLTV sight system that are installed on Su-25's and Ka-50's were upgraded to have a IR channel but get little bit bigger than the housing for the standard Shkval-V would fit in Ka-50's thats why they first run it on FLIR pod and than upgraded it to EO ball FLIR sight.

    Does the Su-25SM still uses a shkval-V or VM/VN sight or a different one?
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    Post  TR1 on Sat Jan 11, 2014 2:41 am

    Nothing as fancy as Shkval- so far good old Klen has been kept.
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    Post  Werewolf on Sat Jan 11, 2014 3:45 am

    TR1 wrote:Nothing as fancy as Shkval- so far good old Klen has been kept.

    But shkval-V was the standard EO sight for Su-25/Ka-50, never heared of KLEN...tbh.
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    Post  TR1 on Sat Jan 11, 2014 3:50 am

    You are thinking of Su-25T and TM...they are the only ones with Shkval, and were never serially produced anyways.

    All other Su-25s have the simple Klen-PS laser rangefinder/designator.

    Ka-50 indeed has Shkval, though the system is dead for all purposes.



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    Post  medo on Sat Jan 11, 2014 11:43 am

    For stationary targets I would say Su-25SM3 could use satellite guiding bombs, but for moving targets it need to see them. Maybe a new targeting pod is integrated in its complex.

    Any informations, if RuAF plan to equip Su-25 with MAWS and laser warning sensors?
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    Post  TR1 on Sat Jan 11, 2014 9:13 pm

    There was mention of the SM3 being equipped with the Vitebsk-25 EW + DIRCM suit...but no sight of it yet.
    I think modernizing the birds without this suit is pointless.
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    Post  Werewolf on Sat Jan 11, 2014 9:19 pm

    TR1 wrote:There was mention of the SM3 being equipped with the Vitebsk-25 EW + DIRCM suit...but no sight of it yet.
    I think modernizing the birds without this suit is pointless.

    Vitebsk-25?

    What is the difference between Vitebsk (L-370) to that? Or just designation for fixed wing aircrafts?
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    Post  TR1 on Sat Jan 11, 2014 9:23 pm

    No clue about details but this is what we have so far:

    "During the tests also confirmed the high efficiency of the new means of communication and a set of electronic warfare (EW) "Vitebsk-25." The complex, in particular, is equipped with a modern digital Jammer (TSSAP) A-370-3C, and can not only assess the radiation enemy radar, but also "inhibit" signals in a wide frequency range. In addition, the complex includes protection against missiles targeting the thermal head, which blinds the enemy ammunition with a laser beam."

    Though posters here think it is domestic version of President-S.
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    Post  Werewolf on Sat Jan 11, 2014 9:30 pm

    Hmm, could that also be the same jamming device on Ka-52 wingtip pods they were also designed for a brider spectrum to jam against radars.


    Edit: A very quick search, indicates that Ka-52 and Su-25SM will have the same jamming pods.

    http://survincity.com/2010/04/russian-air-force-will-protect-the-planes-and/


    Quote:
    ""The source said the newspaper, some elements "Vitebsk"Is already over 2-years installed on helicopters. Namely, the system L-370P-2 installed on the Ka-52 and A-370E-8 — Mi-8MTs. At the same time, the complex digital jammer is not adapted for helicopters and aircraft are only protected from thermal homing missiles. Besides, instead of laser projectors system Self-defense is using ordinary light.

    Fitted TSSAP planned to put on the Ka-52 in 2013. Then will begin the installation "Vitebsk" for transport helicopters Mi-26 and E-26T2. It is planned to make a version of "Vitebsk"For transport aircraft IL-476 (Il-76MD-90A).""


    So it said that Ka-52s are fitted with jammers only since 2013 of the TSSAP system which are also intented for Su-25SM's.
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    Re: Su-25SM numbers

    Post  TR1 on Sat Mar 29, 2014 2:46 am

    http://alexeyvvo.livejournal.com/55603.html

    Tender for 5 Su-25s to be modernized to SM level.
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    Re: Su-25SM numbers

    Post  Viktor on Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:31 pm

    Great  thumbsup 

    Russian Air Force will continue the modernization of the newest Su-25SM3
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    Post  Hannibal Barca on Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:46 pm

    They desperately need a new stealthy replacement for the SU25 and then they will be unbeatable.
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    Re: Su-25SM numbers

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Jun 12, 2014 3:44 pm

    Hannibal Barca wrote:They desperately need a new stealthy replacement for the SU25 and then they will be unbeatable.

    aa, stealthis no good for this type of aircraft. I would say heavy EW/ECM/ECCM variant with more efficiency. A stealth strike aircraft like Su-34 would be important though.
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    Post  George1 on Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:04 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    Hannibal Barca wrote:They desperately need a new stealthy replacement for the SU25 and then they will be unbeatable.

    aa, stealthis no good for this type of aircraft. I would say heavy EW/ECM/ECCM variant with more efficiency. A stealth strike aircraft like Su-34 would be important though.

    Like USAF F-117?
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    Re: Su-25SM numbers

    Post  GarryB on Fri Jun 13, 2014 12:11 pm

    Actually stealth would make little difference...aimed small arms fire will still hit it so armour is needed, and optically guided SAMs are defeated by DIRCMs.

    The low flying Su-25 is only in danger from radar guided threats in WWIII with enemy fighters packing AMRAAM.

    Any stealth it might have would be ruined by combat damage from small arms fire anyway...


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    Re: Su-25SM numbers

    Post  Hannibal Barca on Fri Jun 13, 2014 12:13 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    Hannibal Barca wrote:They desperately need a new stealthy replacement for the SU25 and then they will be unbeatable.

    aa, stealthis no good for this type of aircraft. I would say heavy EW/ECM/ECCM variant with more efficiency. A stealth strike aircraft like Su-34 would be important though.


    Who said this? Stealth characteristics are very important to an attacking plane that need to penetrate repeatedly enemy defenses and is designed to be more or less constantly under enemy fire.

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    Re: Su-25SM numbers

    Post  Vympel on Thu Jul 17, 2014 2:12 pm

    Whatever happened to the talk of new production Su-25UBMs?

    http://www.airforce-technology.com/news/newsrussian-su-25ubm-aircraft-completes-flight-tests
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    Re: Su-25SM numbers

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Jul 17, 2014 3:27 pm

    Hannibal Barca wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    Hannibal Barca wrote:They desperately need a new stealthy replacement for the SU25 and then they will be unbeatable.

    aa, stealthis no good for this type of aircraft. I would say heavy EW/ECM/ECCM variant with more efficiency. A stealth strike aircraft like Su-34 would be important though.


    Who said this? Stealth characteristics are very important to an attacking plane that need to penetrate repeatedly enemy defenses and is designed to be more or less constantly under enemy fire.

    Su-25's are supposed to be CAS and dealing with at most, manpad or shory range foes. In other words, in an enviornment where heavy sams are not present. But in Georgian war case, they were using these in enviornments where Buk systems are involved, which Su-25 does not have the appropriate countermeasures for. In this case, Su-34 is what is supposed to be used, amd a stealth variant of that would be important. For Su-25 case, its supposed to be a cheap and heavy CAS aircraft to support troops.
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    Re: Su-25SM numbers

    Post  TR1 on Thu Jul 17, 2014 3:46 pm

    Su-25s were mostly hit by MANPADS in Georgia. Modernizing the bird without the full DIRCM suit like on the Ka-52 is pointless IMO. At low alt MANPADs are still the most common threat.

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