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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:52 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:They just need to have a much better management structure in the company and a method to know who is doing what.  Something like a punch clock at a certain area of the facility or a Team Leader who is monitoring his employees and is tasked to give them the task to do their specific job.  In this case, it becomes very easy to route out who could be sabotaging the rocket.  If a valve was put in wrong by a Dimitri or a Illya, then either Dimitri or Illya gets investigated.  If they have been tasked to do this multiple of times and multiple of times they have done it wrong, they are fired.


    They just need security cameras

    Good Old Dimitry installed them on Vostochniy construction site and build speed and quality increased exponentially
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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  Rmf on Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:02 am

    blaming sabotage without any proof just shows how desperate the industry is , and how mentally retarded stupid some people on this forum are Razz  . anyways making angara more and sooner will only bankrupt chrunichev sooner so go ahead Laughing ...... and not to mention there will be no commercial payloads for it to carry nore customers pilling up , since everyone is going to space-x  clown
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    2nd Angara A-5 vehicle

    Post  Big_Gazza on Sat Oct 07, 2017 5:52 am

    Looks like the 2nd Angara A-5 vehicle (the 1st built in Omsk) has arrived in Moscow for its QA/QC shakedown as part of the Omsk manufacturing process certification:

    The components of the second Angara-A5 heavy-duty launch vehicle manufactured in the Omsk branch of the Khrunichev Polet Polytechnic Production Association continue to arrive in Moscow for final assembly and testing. Today, October 6, 2017, from Omsk to Moscow went to a specialized train, which will deliver to the Khrunichev Center side block (BB-3) first stage. Together with him, a similar bench product was sent to Moscow, which will undergo dynamic tests. The purpose of the tests is to protect the factory technologies and confirm the readiness of production for serial production.

    "Angara-A5" is a three-stage carrier rocket of the heavy class of the family of carrier rockets of modular type "Angara" (light, medium and heavy classes), created on the basis of universal rocket modules URM-1 and URM-2. In the propulsion systems URMov used environmentally friendly components of fuel - oxygen and kerosene. Various versions of Angara launch vehicles are implemented in practice using different numbers of URM-1 universal missile modules (for the first and second stages) and URM-2 (for the upper stages).

    The first stage of the Angara-A5 LV is an assembly of four side blocks (UBM) URM-1. At the second stage - the central unit - one URM-1 is used, and on the third stage - one URM-2. The final assembly of the second flight rocket "Anagara-A5" will be performed at the missile and space plant of the Khrunichev Center.

    The launch of the Angara-A5 launch vehicle to the Plesetsk space center is planned for early 2018.


    https://www.roscosmos.ru/24191/

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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  gaurav on Sat Oct 07, 2017 3:16 pm

    Seriously there are some major questions ..

    Russian military funded Angara A5 for 2.5 decades starting from 1990 ..
    (The payload was around 20 tons to LEO)  .
    What was teh reason for all that when Zenit and Proton upgrade could
    have easily outmatched  these payloads ..

    What kind of payload are they trying to launch ..

    Then they came up with A5V then they came up with A5M ..


    This project has really confused a lot of experts ..
    Most of teh experts are flummoxed by the approach given to this vehicle  ..
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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Oct 07, 2017 3:47 pm

    gaurav wrote:Seriously there are some major questions ..

    Russian military funded Angara A5 for 2.5 decades starting from 1990 ..
    (The payload was around 20 tons to LEO)  .
    What was teh reason for all that when Zenit and Proton upgrade could
    have easily outmatched  these payloads ..

    What kind of payload are they trying to launch ..

    Then they came up with A5V then they came up with A5M ..


    This project has really confused a lot of experts ..
    Most of teh experts are flummoxed by the approach given to this vehicle  ..

    We have been trough this countless times before:

    Proton: toxic, obsolete and unreliable

    Zenit: Ukrainian (which is far worse than all three above)


    Besides you always need two launch platforms as a redundancy in case one has to be grounded like Proton is 90% of it's service time. NASA insists on this as well.


    So if experts are flummoxed with this then they do not deserve to be called experts in the firs place.
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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  kvs on Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:07 pm

    Funding for the Angara originated from the need for a modern rocket system with flexibility for different payload choices. The
    Zenit could only do 17 tons to LEO. Angara V5 can do 45 tons to LEO. So the discussion is yet another apples to oranges
    comparison.

    Really, following the "what we have is good enough" logic we should all still be riding horses and carriages.
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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  Big_Gazza on Sun Oct 08, 2017 7:03 am

    gaurav wrote:Seriously there are some major questions ..

    Russian military funded Angara A5 for 2.5 decades starting from 1990 ..
    (The payload was around 20 tons to LEO)  .
    What was teh reason for all that when Zenit and Proton upgrade could
    have easily outmatched  these payloads ..

    What kind of payload are they trying to launch ..

    Then they came up with A5V then they came up with A5M ..


    This project has really confused a lot of experts ..
    Most of teh experts are flummoxed by the approach given to this vehicle  ..

    People who don't get it are not paying attention, and don't deserve to be called "experts"...

    Angara was started in 1992 as a MILITARY launch system to guarantee access to space for heavy national security payloads from Plesetsk (out of fear that Baikonour could prove unavailable should there be unfavorable political developments in newly-independent Kazakhstan, such as a Yankistani colour-revolution ).  It was not intended as a commercial launcher as such, but as funding through the 90s was zero to non-existant, developments within Russia had forced the design to evolve and become a more general purpose launcher.  Funding didn't really start in earnest until mid 2000s, and it was only then that the config was finalised.  The Russian military primarily wants A-5, so the plan was to flight test and certify the design of A-5 using prototypes hand built in Khrunichev Moscow, and then to shift all further production to brand-new serial production facility at Omsk. The Omsk facility is behind schedule as the first serial units failed QA/QC checks and further certification flights are therefore delayed while they sort out the issues (2nd flight-ready unit is now back in Moscow for QA/QC checks).

    While Angara will be primary heavy-lift workhorse from 2020 onwards, Russia has not made its development a funding priority.  The reason is clear - despite their fears, Russia has solid access to Baikonur, so heavy lift needs are met by Proton.  Lack of a strategic threat means they can de-prioritise the program and save cash (ie not throwing money at a problem in an inefficient effort to accelerate the program).  

    The plan was ALWAYS for Angara to be considered a developmental program until ~2020 when Proton will start to be scaled back. Both launchers will fly concurrently until adequate flight experience is achieved with Angara, and then Proton vehicle and engine manufacture will be shutdown.

    The plan is still on track, though as with all real-world programs, delays are inevitable.

    A-5V & A-5M are evolutionary developments of the basic A-5.  This is a NORMAL lifecycle development, and is not indicative of any "program mismanagement" as Russophobe critics love to wheel out at every fucking opportunity.  Manned A-5V is now superfluous with the Soyuz-5 based SHLV, but unmanned A-5V is still likely to born in metal as it gives a nice boost to LEO capacity (35-40T) and fills a slot between basic A-5 and the Soyuz-5 SHLV (80T+).  

    A-5V was based on both a Hydrolox U/S and up-rated 1st stage engines, and it looks like the engine upgrade is going to be adopted on the upgraded A-5M.  Again, this is a sensible development, so ignore Russia-haters and their bullshit.

    Regarding the much-vaunted commercial launchs that means so much to the retard Muskian fan-boi circle-jerkers that want to "colonise" Mars with a bunch of stripped down Dragon capsules (WTF...  congenital stupidity at its finest), Angara is not primarily a commercial vehicle.  Its sole current pad is in Plesetsk military base, so isn't going to launch foreign commsats anytime soon, especially as its far northerly latitude is dynamically disadvantageous.  Once the unmanned pad is built at Vostochny however, that will start to change, but until then Proton fills that spot.

    Finally, I hope you have no intention to become a replacement for that banned fuktard rmf...  He was bad enough, and this forum has been better for the lack of his BS.  I'd hate for other forum members to step into his shoes and start up where he left off...
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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  gaurav on Sun Oct 08, 2017 7:48 am

    Yaah ,We have been through countless times before and I was searching for this thread for 1 hour before I found it .. he he Cool
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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:29 pm

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    Polet company (Omsk) so far has contact for 10 Angaras. Overall there are 10 test flights planned for heavy version and 4 for light version.

    http://tass.ru/kosmos/4632501

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