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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue May 03, 2016 9:39 pm


    Angara assembly photo report:

    http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/77259/

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    The second "Angara-A5" launch satellites for early warning

    Post  Project Canada on Sun May 15, 2016 7:55 am




    The second "Angara-A5" launch satellites for early warning

    Carrier rocket "Angara-A5" at the end of the year, scheduled for the second launch from the cosmodrome "Plesetsk" should be put into orbit at least two satellites for space echelon (EC) warning system (EWS). This was reported by TASS a source in the space industry.

    "Plans for the launch from Plesetsk second heavy" Angara "re-adjusted, and now to the left An indication spend start before the end of the year deadline -.. December," - said the source. According to him, during the start-up "is planned at least two orbiting . perhaps three satellites of the new generation " . The official confirmation of these data TASS has no new devices, therefore, must become part of the Single space systems - orbital echelon of the early warning system. As long as it is represented by only one satellite, which was launched in late 2015. MOSCOW TASS 12

    http://www.arms-expo.ru/news/kosmoss/angaru_a5_zapustyat_so_sputnikami_preduprezhdeniya_o_raketnom_napadenii/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=socialnetwork


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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  Rmf on Sun May 22, 2016 8:20 pm

    lets keep on topic...
    keep it simple , angara 5v with all modifications is not!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLQeqMaHVYs
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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  George1 on Sun Jul 31, 2016 4:37 pm

    Russian Defense Ministry to receive 2nd Angara rocket by yearend

    The deal is conducted under federal space program

    OMSK, July 29. /TASS/. The Khrunichev Space Center will deliver the 2nd Angara-A5 carrier rocket to the Russian Defense Ministry by the end of 2016, Center Deputy CEO Roman Khokhlov told TASS on Friday.

    "Under the federal space program, we are to deliver the ready-made rocket [to the customer] by the end of 2016 for acceptance," Khokhlov said, adding that the launch date for the 2nd heavy Angara carrier rocket would be set by the customer.

    At the first stage, the Omsk-based Polyot production association, which is part of the Khrunichev Space Center, will be annually producing five heavy and several light Angara family rockets, Khokhlov said.

    "If necessary, the production facilities will help increase this number several-fold," the Khrunichev Space Center deputy CEO said.

    "To give an idea of Polyot’s role in the production of the heavy Angara rocket, for example, it can be said that over 70% of its 55-meter height is now manufactured in Omsk. This share will increase after the manufacture of the nose fairing is transferred to Polyot," Khokhlov said.


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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Sep 02, 2016 7:21 pm


    In Omsk "Polyot" created a new production site for production of the carrier rocket "Angara"


    n the Omsk space Association built the first in Russia Assembly shop universal rocket modules for the production of carrier rockets of new generation "Angara" launch from the cosmodrome "East".


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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  George1 on Wed Mar 01, 2017 1:40 pm

    Siberian plant to start assembling Angara rockets this year — governor

    The production facility is due to be ready in the second quarter of 2017

    SOCHI, March 1. /TASS/. Polyot, an Omsk-based rocket manufacturer within the Khrunichev State Research and Production Space Center, will launch the full cycle of assembling Russia’s new Angara rocket this year, Omsk governor Viktor Nazarov said.

    "From 2017, the Angara rocket will be assembled in the Omsk Region only. Works to launch the full technical production cycle is currently under way," the governor said at the Russian Investment Forum that ended in Sochi on Tuesday evening.

    The production facility is due to be ready in the second quarter of 2017, the governor said.

    The Angara family comprises eco-friendly oxygen-kerosene carrier rockets from the light to heavy classes. The Angara-class light carrier rocket was launched for the first time in mid-2014. The first heavy carrier rocket blasted off in late 2014.


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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Apr 05, 2017 8:58 pm



    Second launch of heavy Angara rocket postponed until 2018 — manufacturer

    The launch was previously scheduled to take place this year


    http://tass.com/science/939421

    MOSCOW, April 5. /TASS/. The second launch of the heavy Angara-A5 rocket was postponed until 2018, Andrei Kalinovsky, who heads the rocket’s manufacturer, told the Kommersant business daily.

    "We have put it off until 2018," the Khrunichev Center chief said in an interview, published in Wednesday’s edition of Kommersant.

    The launch was previously scheduled to take place this year.

    "The reason is quite trite: the research and development efforts coincided with the transfer of production to (the Siberian city of) Omsk, and, by mutual consent with the Defense Ministry, we decided to hold additional tests. They are needed to confirm that the Omsk plant is ready from the point of view of production quality, sequence of production operations and qualification of personnel," Kalinovsky was quoted as saying.

    The light version of Russia’s new environmentally friendly rocket is expected to be launched in 2019, and its components are currently being tested.

    "We have signed one solid contract with the Korean aerospace institute for a launch in 2020. One launch so far, but the overall interest to this rocket on the commercial market is quite high," the official said.



    While I am pissed off at the delay, this is acceptable reason.

    It's not every day that you start rocket engine production on assembly line. When Henry Ford did it back in the day it had quite the influence on automotive industry.
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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  George1 on Fri Jun 02, 2017 4:27 pm

    Expert: Decision to drop Angara project made due to mistakes in space strategy

    If Russia had had a long-term national strategy, such unexpected decisions could not have been made, according to an expert

    MOSCOW, June 2. /TASS/. The decision to give up the project of creating an Angara-A5P carrier and develop instead a new rocket for manned launches to lay the basis for a super-heavy rocket for lunar missions is due to strategic planning errors, a space expert said on Friday.

    Cosmonaut-tester, President of the Moscow Space Club and member of the Russian Academy of Cosmonautics Sergei Zhukov, believes that this measure will hardly allow Russia’s State Space Corporation Roscosmos to save much.

    "I don’t think that this measure will save any funds. It is necessary to continue work on that rocket instead of starting to develop a new one. This [decision] looks strange. I believe that if expenditures on the development of a super-heavy rocket and the construction of two launch pads for the Angara rocket are calculated, the Angara project will turn out to be more advantageous. A super-heavy rocket is needed for Russia in the long term but this theme should be addressed gradually, in the format of R&D works, some developments and the accumulation of technological experience but not now," the expert said.

    According to him, it would be more expedient to finalize the Angara rocket, even if building two launch pads at the Vostochny spaceport and assembling a lunar transient module in the near-Earth orbit, instead of dropping the work implemented and starting the development of a new rocket.

    In the expert’s opinion, the change of plans is related not only to the country’s difficult economic situation but also to certain strategic miscalculations in the long-term space program planning.

    If Russia had had a long-term national strategy, such unexpected decisions could not have been made, the expert noted.

    "We spoke some time ago for adopting a national cosmonautics development program. As there is no such a strategy, I completely don’t understand the expediency of a super-heavy rocket. In my view, the decision has been made in favor of sectoral rather than national interests," the expert said.


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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  Rmf on Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:17 pm

    i have been saying that million times. Laughing
    and the hard consequences of that . No
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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:29 pm

    George1 wrote:Expert: Decision to drop Angara project made due to mistakes in space strategy
    ...................
    According to him, it would be more expedient to finalize the Angara rocket, even if building two launch pads at the Vostochny spaceport and assembling a lunar transient module in the near-Earth orbit, instead of dropping the work implemented and starting the development of a new rocket........

    Multiple launch would have made sense if there were two or three of them but final plan called for SIX launches with in-orbit assembly. That is three launches too many.

    George1 wrote:........
    "We spoke some time ago for adopting a national cosmonautics development program. As there is no such a strategy, I completely don’t understand the expediency of a super-heavy rocket. In my view, the decision has been made in favor of sectoral rather than national interests," the expert said...........

    Problem is not state strategy. You think USA has strategy for this? In last couple of decades they bounced from expanded ISS to manned lunar missions to asteroid landing to manned mars missions to SLS to private platforms and everything in between.

    You don't need national strategy to do basic logic, you need contractors to keep their eyes on the ball and their heads out of their asses.

    Fact remains that Angara got the trimming because instead of Krunichev dropping Proton the moment Angara got the green light and pushing all possible variants of Angara aggressively from smallest to super-heavy, they wasted more than a decade dragging their feet and and lobbying for obsolete unreliable platform that is Proton.

    And now when budget gravy train crashed you have all these lobbyists sorry, ''experts'' coming out of the woodwork to play Monday morning quarterbacks.

    Why were these experts keeping quiet all this time while Krunichev was dicking around with their Soviet leftover firework pipe?

    Krunichev was sitting on it's ass and lost as a result. They should feel very lucky to be left with this much. Energia is back in now.
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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  kvs on Sat Jun 03, 2017 1:04 am

    George1 wrote:Expert: Decision to drop Angara project made due to mistakes in space strategy

    If Russia had had a long-term national strategy, such unexpected decisions could not have been made, according to an expert

    MOSCOW, June 2. /TASS/. The decision to give up the project of creating an Angara-A5P carrier and develop instead a new rocket for manned launches to lay the basis for a super-heavy rocket for lunar missions is due to strategic planning errors, a space expert said on Friday.

    Cosmonaut-tester, President of the Moscow Space Club and member of the Russian Academy of Cosmonautics Sergei Zhukov, believes that this measure will hardly allow Russia’s State Space Corporation Roscosmos to save much.

    "I don’t think that this measure will save any funds. It is necessary to continue work on that rocket instead of starting to develop a new one. This [decision] looks strange. I believe that if expenditures on the development of a super-heavy rocket and the construction of two launch pads for the Angara rocket are calculated, the Angara project will turn out to be more advantageous. A super-heavy rocket is needed for Russia in the long term but this theme should be addressed gradually, in the format of R&D works, some developments and the accumulation of technological experience but not now," the expert said.

    According to him, it would be more expedient to finalize the Angara rocket, even if building two launch pads at the Vostochny spaceport and assembling a lunar transient module in the near-Earth orbit, instead of dropping the work implemented and starting the development of a new rocket.

    In the expert’s opinion, the change of plans is related not only to the country’s difficult economic situation but also to certain strategic miscalculations in the long-term space program planning.

    If Russia had had a long-term national strategy, such unexpected decisions could not have been made, the expert noted.

    "We spoke some time ago for adopting a national cosmonautics development program. As there is no such a strategy, I completely don’t understand the expediency of a super-heavy rocket. In my view, the decision has been made in favor of sectoral rather than national interests," the expert said.


    More:
    http://tass.com/science/949367


    More central planner inanity. There is no way to make the Angara into a super heavy rocket. Full stop. The 5 variant or even a hypothetical
    7 variant do not support enough payload. It was inevitable that larger modules would have to be used, hence Fenix (Sunkar, Soyuz-5, etc.).
    Trying to portray this positive development as some sort of failure is obscene.
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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  Big_Gazza on Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:12 am

    George1 wrote:Expert: Decision to drop Angara project made due to mistakes in space strategy

    If Russia had had a long-term national strategy, such unexpected decisions could not have been made, according to an expert

    MOSCOW, June 2. /TASS/. The decision to give up the project of creating an Angara-A5P carrier and develop instead a new rocket for manned launches to lay the basis for a super-heavy rocket for lunar missions is due to strategic planning errors, a space expert said on Friday.

    Cosmonaut-tester, President of the Moscow Space Club and member of the Russian Academy of Cosmonautics Sergei Zhukov, believes that this measure will hardly allow Russia’s State Space Corporation Roscosmos to save much.

    "I don’t think that this measure will save any funds. It is necessary to continue work on that rocket instead of starting to develop a new one. This [decision] looks strange. I believe that if expenditures on the development of a super-heavy rocket and the construction of two launch pads for the Angara rocket are calculated, the Angara project will turn out to be more advantageous. A super-heavy rocket is needed for Russia in the long term but this theme should be addressed gradually, in the format of R&D works, some developments and the accumulation of technological experience but not now," the expert said.

    According to him, it would be more expedient to finalize the Angara rocket, even if building two launch pads at the Vostochny spaceport and assembling a lunar transient module in the near-Earth orbit, instead of dropping the work implemented and starting the development of a new rocket.

    In the expert’s opinion, the change of plans is related not only to the country’s difficult economic situation but also to certain strategic miscalculations in the long-term space program planning.

    If Russia had had a long-term national strategy, such unexpected decisions could not have been made, the expert noted.

    "We spoke some time ago for adopting a national cosmonautics development program. As there is no such a strategy, I completely don’t understand the expediency of a super-heavy rocket. In my view, the decision has been made in favor of sectoral rather than national interests," the expert said.


    More:
    http://tass.com/science/949367

    Another "expert" with an "opinion", that is clearly agenda-based....

    Opinions are like arseholes... everyone has their own, but most of them stink...
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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  Rmf on Sun Jun 04, 2017 10:45 pm

    the strategy was to build new angara rocket to replace all others ,and to build 3 new pads in vostochny for angara.
    because of protracted development technologicaly angara is not new , too few launches and many postponements- its expencive , and everyone runs from it like stink cheese now , even military (plesetsk launch pad not used)...
    i said strategy is doomed to fail, and got blasted here , but i was right ,and you all were wrong.
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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  Singular_Transform on Sun Jun 04, 2017 11:51 pm

    Rmf wrote:the strategy was to build new angara rocket to replace all others ,and to build 3 new pads in vostochny for angara.
    because of protracted development technologicaly angara is not new , too few launches and many postponements- its expencive , and everyone runs from it like stink cheese now , even military (plesetsk launch pad not used)...
    i said strategy is doomed to fail, and got blasted here , but i was right ,and you all were wrong.
    Of course.

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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Jun 05, 2017 1:10 am

    Rmf wrote:......

    (random inaccurate BS)
    ..........


    i said strategy is doomed to fail, and got blasted here , but i was right ,and you all were wrong.




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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  Big_Gazza on Mon Jun 05, 2017 1:58 pm

    Rmf wrote:the strategy was to build new angara rocket to replace all others ,and to build 3 new pads in vostochny for angara.
    because of protracted development technologicaly angara is not new , too few launches and many postponements- its expencive , and everyone runs from it like stink cheese now , even military (plesetsk launch pad not used)...
    i said strategy is doomed to fail, and got blasted here , but i was right ,and you all were wrong.

    So few words, so many errors...  

    FFS Angara isn't up to speed because they are still finishing off the new serial production facilities and certifying the people and process....  What do you not understand????

    build new angara rocket to replace all others...  A1 replaced small Ukropi-launchers and A5 replaced hypergolic Proton.  A3 was proposed to replace Zenit, but Russia barely uses Zenit-class and there is no driver to develop the A3.  In any case, no Angara config was ever going to replace Soyuz.

    too few launches, many postponements...  Like just about ANY other launcher development program at a similar stage....

    its expencive...  Given that its not in service and that the only flow examples have been hand-built protypes, we don't have any real pricing data, so your claim is just unsubstantiated hot air. In any case, Khrunichev have stated A5 will be cheaper than Proton...

    even military pad not in use...  Russian military is clealry waiting for availability of serial units, but you spin this as "not used"...

    doomed to fail...  Why?  What is fucking wrong with a modular all-Kerolox launcher that will rid Russia of any reliance on Ukropi small LVs, and with a 25T payload on its heavy option?????  

    but i was right ,and you all were wrong...  Oh dear, the Messiah complex in one so ignorant. Man, you are so deep in denial....
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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  Rmf on Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:11 pm

    not gloating , i am sad thing turned out this way but i had vision it would end like this ,and they will get worse since less and less money will be available to finish anything ,less launches -more problems -with new rockets -more people involved- its a mess and chaos.

    angara isnt scaled properly and engines run at limits, cant be manrated , and have high cost. higher pressure gives higher thrust but it has diminishing returns and after certain point its a pain ,and actually lowers thrust to weight ratio of engines...

    angara light should have been smaller , scaled like soyuz -5 is supposed to be. 2,8-9-17-22 tons. and used nk-331 from antares (usa already payed for its development) with 20% more thrust then nk-33 from N-1`,and yet 95% common parts.
    heavy urm would have 4 nk-331 engines, instead of rd-171 , and total 20 booster engines for A5 heavy version at launch giving 80% thrust of old N1. with hydrogen upper stages it would be no problem to get 90t or more to orbit.
    universal rocket engine ,simple ,light , cheap ./ instead of universal rocket module. then split into 2 - light and heavy version modules .... like tactical fighter f-15/ f-16.

    why is then old soyuz pad built on vostochny anyway if they built so great soyuz-5 ? more money blown!?
    you can twist this anyway and ill defeat you easy.
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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  Singular_Transform on Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:05 pm

    US has 12 launch system in use/ under dev bz wiki
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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Jun 06, 2017 1:25 am


    I am honestly beginning to think that someone really did steal Rmf's phone, seriously just look at this:


    with hydrogen upper stages it would be no problem to get 90t or more to orbit.
    universal rocket engine ,simple ,light , cheap ./ instead of universal rocket module. then split into 2 - light and heavy version modules .... like tactical fighter f-15/ f-16.

    why is then old soyuz pad built on vostochny anyway if they built so great soyuz-5 ? more money blown!?
    you can twist this anyway and ill defeat you easy.

    What adult talks like this?

    Other possibility would be that with recent news he saw a tiny glimmer of hope for his beloved Kazakhstan but when he realized that even with Sunkar in the mix good old Kazaks will still be getting just table scraps (and pay for them to boot) he went into total meltdown.

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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  kvs on Tue Jun 06, 2017 3:35 am

    http://www.russianspaceweb.com/angara7.html

    Angara 7 variants: up to 41 tons to LEO. Anyone trying to claim this can be worked into a heavy lifter is an idiot.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20141208172221/http://www.russianspaceweb.com:80/angara100.html

    Angara 100:

    The Angara-100 was a 2005 proposal by Khrunichev to build a heavy-lift launch vehicle for NASA's Vision for Space Exploration. The rocket would consist of four RD-170-powered boosters, an RD-180-powered core stage, and a cryogenic upper stage using a modified Energia RD-0120 engine, the RD-0122. Its payload capacity to LEO would be in excess of 100 tons.

    Wow, that's like the Energia design. Key element: RD-170 powered modules.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Jun 06, 2017 3:45 am

    kvs wrote:http://www.russianspaceweb.com/angara7.html

    Angara 7 variants: up to 41 tons to LEO.    Anyone trying to claim this can be worked into a heavy lifter is an idiot.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20141208172221/http://www.russianspaceweb.com:80/angara100.html

    Angara 100:

    The Angara-100 was a 2005 proposal by Khrunichev to build a heavy-lift launch vehicle for NASA's Vision for Space Exploration. The rocket would consist of four RD-170-powered boosters, an RD-180-powered core stage, and a cryogenic upper stage using a modified Energia RD-0120 engine, the RD-0122. Its payload capacity to LEO would be in excess of 100 tons.

    Wow, that's like the Energia design.   Key element: RD-170 powered modules.

    Wut?

    So Angara super heavy all along was...... Soyuz-5?

    Time loop people lol1
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    Post  kvs on Tue Jun 06, 2017 4:52 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    kvs wrote:http://www.russianspaceweb.com/angara7.html

    Angara 7 variants: up to 41 tons to LEO.    Anyone trying to claim this can be worked into a heavy lifter is an idiot.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20141208172221/http://www.russianspaceweb.com:80/angara100.html

    Angara 100:

    The Angara-100 was a 2005 proposal by Khrunichev to build a heavy-lift launch vehicle for NASA's Vision for Space Exploration. The rocket would consist of four RD-170-powered boosters, an RD-180-powered core stage, and a cryogenic upper stage using a modified Energia RD-0120 engine, the RD-0122. Its payload capacity to LEO would be in excess of 100 tons.

    Wow, that's like the Energia design.   Key element: RD-170 powered modules.

    Wut?

    So Angara super heavy all along was...... Soyuz-5?

    Time loop people lol1

    It is clear that a common concept driven by economic considerations emerged in Russia over 10 years ago. Now they are
    actually going to build it. I hope they don't futz around with an RD-180 core stage. Just use one of the RD-170 modules.
    The second core stage can be a liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen job powered by the RD-0122. The payload to LEO would
    be over 120 tons.
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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:10 pm

    kvs wrote:..........................
    It is clear that a common concept driven by economic considerations emerged in Russia over 10 years ago.   Now they are
    actually going to build it.   I hope they don't futz around with an RD-180 core stage.   Just use one of the RD-170 modules.
    The second core stage can be a liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen job powered by the RD-0122.   The payload to LEO would
    be over 120 tons.

    Basically, they ran out of money so they axed original super-heavy and went with Angara-5P. Now super-heavy is back on.

    I found this: http://nortwolf-sam.livejournal.com/1918663.html

    Machine translation garbled it up as usual but basically Krunichev won contract to develop Angara and wasted time lobbying for Proton instead.

    In the meantime Angara 1.2 competitor Soyuz-2 flew six months before Angara did.

    And while Energia lost out on initial contract for super-heavy rocked they did not give up. They continued working on it and has now resurfaced as Soyuz-5 thus stomping out Krunichev's prospects for developing proper super-heavy on larger core and borderline killing rest of it's lineup.

    This is exactly like Mi-28/Ka-50 situation from several decades ago. Mi-28 lost the contract but they did not give up and kept working on the platform while Kamov was sitting on it's ass. Fast forward two decades and now you have Mi-28 being go-to attack helicopter while Ka-50 is forgotten and Ka-52 is saved solely by the Navy.

    Same thing happened here. Energia did not give up and kept working on their own. In time opportunity presented itself (partly in the form of Krunichev's stupidity).

    I am so glad Federation is being developed by Energia. They definitely know how to get things done unlike some.



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    Post  Rmf on Tue Jun 06, 2017 7:55 pm

    Singular_Transform wrote:US has 12 launch system in use/ under dev bz wiki
    can russia afford 7,8,9 ? soyuz ,proton, soyuz -light, zenit, angara ,sunkar,phoenix,in many versions + and many light rockets...

    and interesting link new zealand is about to launch rocket for small payloads with 3d printed engines.
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    Post  Singular_Transform on Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:04 pm

    Rmf wrote:
    Singular_Transform wrote:US has 12 launch system in use/ under dev bz wiki
    can russia afford 7,8,9 ? soyuz ,proton, soyuz -light, zenit, angara ,sunkar,phoenix,in many versions + and many light rockets...

    and interesting link new zealand is about to launch rocket for small payloads with 3d printed engines.

    That is good , I know a few guys who works in the company making 3D printers. Always good if someone buys they products.


    Russia can afford it.

    The US population was slightly bigger when it conducted the apollo program AND mayor weapon programs .

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