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    Re: Russian population

    Post  kvs on Sun Jul 24, 2016 1:28 am

    ExBeobachter1987 wrote:


    Some free advice for such emigrants: if you think you are going to be better off in the west, then you are very sadly mistaken.
    You are going to have to start from scratch if you are an engineer, doctor or any other profession aside from the ones
    that do not require certification and education. You will be paying rent like you have never seen before. Your meager
    immigrant income will go to support your landlord.

    Stay in Russia and let your children get a proper education and not Mickey Mouse time waste. Your children can still get
    a PhD without having to go into major debt. In Canada, post secondary education now costs a lot.

    Stay in Russia to live with people with a naturally compatible mentality and not MSM drones who have no culture of
    grass roots information exchange. In Canada and the USA, political discussion among friends or in a bar is frowned upon.

    If you really want a better life then work and fight for it in Russia.

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    Re: Russian population

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Jul 24, 2016 2:57 am

    Good advice. But it is also good to see that the trend has changed a lot and majority of Russians still do not want to emigrate. Although, I noticed that there is a fairly large increase in emigrants and it comes down to many of the workers who lived in Russia, returning home. But Russia is still getting flooded.

    For most, they talk that they would be interested in emigrating. I imagine that these are "wishful" thinkings that if they are given the opportunity, they would. Majority of them are not aware of the system that they would be moving to and not realize that the systems out west relies upon them to be wage slaves and heavily in debt. Many realize this only after the fact. As for the education part, it may also be in terms that they would be given a much higher chance of getting a job in Russia after receiving it from Canada or USA. But yes, you are right. A general IT course in Canada costs roughly $20K and this wont guarantee any kind of job. Specialized jobs cost quite a bit more as they request "per-requesits"

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    Re: Russian population

    Post  Project Canada on Tue Oct 11, 2016 12:00 pm



    Top Russian Politician Nikolai Starikov: We need to ban abortions in Russia





    In my opinion this is the right way to go for Russia, strong family traditions is essential for a strong country, abortions i think only serves to erode people's potential to make families and results to lower population growth all over Russia. If this trend is to change, people's attitude towards family building needs to be changed radically, I understand that doing this right away will give American backed NGOs excuse to protest and oppose such initiative, the government needs to find innovative ways to implement these measures, even if it means a slow process, as long as in the long run these are strongly implemented. russia

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    Re: Russian population

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Oct 11, 2016 12:49 pm

    Project Canada wrote:

    Top Russian Politician Nikolai Starikov: We need to ban abortions in Russia




    In my opinion this is the right way to go for Russia, strong family traditions is essential for a strong country, abortions i think only serves to erode people's potential to make families and results to lower population growth all over Russia. If this trend is to change, people's attitude towards family building needs to be changed radically, I understand that doing this right away will give American backed NGOs excuse to protest and oppose such initiative, the government needs to find innovative ways to implement these measures, even if it means a slow process, as long as in the long run these are strongly implemented. russia

    Idiotic approach.

    In order to ban abortions without causing a sh*tstorm and making yourself look like a moron you need to first spend couple of decades promoting stuff like condoms and contraceptives in order to reduce the demand for abortions in the first place. And this is something that both NGOs nad religious figures would would help you with.

    Only the you can entertain idea of abortion ban. But everyone loves cutting corners and going full retard.

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    Migration of Westerners to Russia/CIS?

    Post  Firebird on Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:17 pm

    How do the Russian citizens here (and anyone else) feel about migration of Westerners to Russia?

    I thought such a thing would be a long way off. BUT its actually happening, albeit it would seem to a small extent. Usually location independent types (running their own businesses). Who are fed up with politically correct bullshit and fat women and masses of immigrants in W Europe and the N America. Graduate debts and poor job opports in the West are also factors they say. I can't really see how some/many of them will integrate but they are sure that moving to Asia/E European EU/Russia or Lat America is what they want to do.

    It seems a HUGE leap for them. And I really wonder if they've thought it out. BUT who knows. Perhaps an interesting trend will develop? One or two MMA fighters have been amongst the most notable migrants from the US.

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    Re: Russian population

    Post  Svyatoslavich on Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:39 am

    Firebird wrote:How do the Russian citizens here (and anyone else) feel about migration of Westerners to Russia?

    I thought such a thing would be a long way off. BUT its actually happening, albeit it would seem to a small extent. Usually location independent types (running their own businesses). Who are fed up with politically correct bullshit and fat women and masses of immigrants in W Europe and the N America. Graduate debts and poor job opports in the West are also factors they say. I can't really see how some/many of them will integrate but they are sure that moving to Asia/E European EU/Russia or Lat America is what they want to do.

    It seems a HUGE leap for them. And I really wonder if they've thought it out. BUT who knows. Perhaps an interesting trend will develop? One or two MMA fighters have been amongst the most notable migrants from the US.
    Don't forget world-famous Russian actor Zherar Depard'yo.

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    Re: Russian population

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Oct 12, 2016 6:17 pm

    Firebird wrote:How do the Russian citizens here (and anyone else) feel about migration of Westerners to Russia?

    I thought such a thing would be a long way off. BUT its actually happening, albeit it would seem to a small extent. Usually location independent types (running their own businesses). Who are fed up with politically correct bullshit and fat women and masses of immigrants in W Europe and the N America. Graduate debts and poor job opports in the West are also factors they say. I can't really see how some/many of them will integrate but they are sure that moving to Asia/E European EU/Russia or Lat America is what they want to do.

    It seems a HUGE leap for them. And I really wonder if they've thought it out. BUT who knows. Perhaps an interesting trend will develop? One or two MMA fighters have been amongst the most notable migrants from the US.

    As you know I am not Russian but one look at data about Russia will tell you that it has been USA-style ''melting pot'' for probably longer than USA has existed. Only difference was the ingredients.

    This latest change in ingredients is nothing out of the ordinary. Same applies to any large country.


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    Re: Russian population

    Post  OminousSpudd on Thu Oct 13, 2016 5:33 am

    Firebird wrote:How do the Russian citizens here (and anyone else) feel about migration of Westerners to Russia?

    I thought such a thing would be a long way off. BUT its actually happening, albeit it would seem to a small extent. Usually location independent types (running their own businesses). Who are fed up with politically correct bullshit and fat women and masses of immigrants in W Europe and the N America. Graduate debts and poor job opports in the West are also factors they say. I can't really see how some/many of them will integrate but they are sure that moving to Asia/E European EU/Russia or Lat America is what they want to do.

    It seems a HUGE leap for them. And I really wonder if they've thought it out. BUT who knows. Perhaps an interesting trend will develop? One or two MMA fighters have been amongst the most notable migrants from the US.
    Most Westerners migrating to Russia are going because they wish to make a life for themselves in a nation that actually encourages free-market economics. Westerners who have the mentality of wishing to build a future for themselves will be beneficial for Russia as a whole. Russia not subscribing to the social engineering the we in the West are witnessing as our civilization blows itself to bits is also probably a big plus. For me personally, being able to send my future children to school and not worrying about them being brainwashed on topics concerning sexuality and "gender-politics" would be welcomed heartily.

    [rant]As for the rest of the West, especially when concerning the majority of Yanks, when they finally (by finally, I mean at the end) wake up to realize that they are living in collapsing totalitarian states and wish to flee to places like Russia, I say close the borders. Even the growing alt-right movement rejects on principle that there exists another civilization outside of their own, completely dismissing the notion that Russia will emerge a cultural and economic superpower with the collapse of the West and preferring to subscribe to the thinking of the world descending into another Dark Age with the death of the "exceptional nation." [/rant]

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    Re: Russian population

    Post  Project Canada on Wed Oct 26, 2016 4:35 am




    Over two-thirds of Russians oppose ban on abortions, poll shows

    An overwhelming majority of Russians are against an initiative by Christian pro-life activists promoting a total ban on abortions, a nationwide public opinion poll conducted soon after the plan’s launch reveals.
    According to the results of the research conducted by state-owned VTSIOM, 72 percent of Russian citizens are currently against a total legislative ban on abortions. Only 4 percent of respondents said they considered the procedure unacceptable under any circumstances.

    In addition, 70 percent of the Russian public opposes the proposal to exclude abortions from the list of operations covered by state healthcare insurance, while 21 percent said that they would support such move.

    When researchers asked Russians what negative consequences could emerge from an abortion ban, respondents named a sharp rise in illegal abortions, an increase in the number of orphans, higher infant mortality rate and poverty. Among those polled, 57 percent said that they knew people who had had abortions. One in 10 women who answered the questions said that she had personally undergone the procedure.

    The poll was conducted in mid-October, about two weeks after the ‘For Life’ public movement backed by the Russian Orthodox Church claimed that its petition for a complete ban on abortions in the country had been signed by over 300,000 people. The head of the movement, Sergey Chesnokov, also claimed that once this number reaches 1 million people, the document would be forwarded to the presidential administration.

    Apart from a legal ban on abortions, the authors of the petition are seeking broader and more-effective measures guaranteeing state support for pregnant women and families with small children.

    Patriarch Kirill of the Russian Orthodox Church has signed the petition, but his press service issued a special statement saying that he had done so as an ordinary citizen, and also explained that any Orthodox priest would do the same in the Patriarch’s place.

    Newly-appointed Russian Ombudsman for Children Rights Anna Kuznetsova also supported the campaign. Presidential Press Secretary Dmitry Peskov, meanwhile, told reporters that the Kremlin will not participate in the ongoing abortion discussion

    The existing Russian law on abortions is fairly liberal, but conservative lawmakers are attempting to tighten it. In May 2015, MPs representing the parliamentary majority United Russia party and the center-left opposition Fair Russia party drafted a bill that would limit state insurance payments for abortions, ban private clinics from performing them, and allow women to buy morning-after pills only on prescription after an obligatory health check. The motion has not yet passed through parliament.

    Currently Russia has a state-sponsored anti-abortion program in the form of special consultation rooms at medical centers. In 2015, over 266 women consulted specialists in this program, and almost 25 percent of them decided against having an abortion. According to Deputy Prime Minister for Social Affairs Olga Golodets, for every 1.9 million newborn babies in Russia, there are 700,000 abortions.

    https://www.rt.com/politics/364011-two-thirds-of-russians-oppose/


    700,000 abortions out of 1.9 million births is a staggering amount!
    The Russian government needs to implement more social projects to discourage average Russians from stunting the growth of their own country's population and instead be inspired to have a Big family. Of course, only regions with a stagnant/negative population growth should receive funding such programs.


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    Re: Russian population

    Post  GarryB on Wed Oct 26, 2016 10:19 am

    A woman should have control of her own body.

    If she does not feel she can provide for a child no government should force her to have that child.

    Education is important but at the end of the day the decision to have or not have a child should be the right of the mother and father.

    Perhaps if there were no orphanages in Russia and no orphans then you could demand no abortions or terminations of pregnancies... but even then what right has society to tell someone what they can do with their own bodies.


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    Re: Russian population

    Post  Skandalwitwe on Wed Oct 26, 2016 5:16 pm

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    700,000 abortions out of 1.9 million births is a staggering amount!
    The Russian government needs to implement more social projects to discourage  average Russians from stunting the growth of their own country's  population and instead be inspired to have a Big family. Of course, only regions with a stagnant/negative population growth should receive funding such programs.

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    No it isn't...it's a small faction of those numbers during Soviet times. 50 years ago there were almost 5,5 million abortions per year in RSFSR and even in 1988 still 4,6 million. Since then the numbers fell year by year and there's no reason why this trend shouldn't continue.

    That discussion about banning abortions in Russia is almost nonsensical since this problem is diminishing further every year.

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    Re: Russian population

    Post  Svyatoslavich on Thu Oct 27, 2016 12:53 am

    GarryB wrote:A woman should have control of her own body.
    Exact. Over HER body, not someone's else body with different DNA.

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    Re: Russian population

    Post  KiloGolf on Thu Oct 27, 2016 1:18 am

    GarryB wrote:A woman should have control of her own body.

    I agree. But once a fetus is formed in her body, developing on a daily basis, the narrative changes. It becomes less of her own and more of itself.
    There's lots of room for debate. Fetus rights is key here, rights that so far are being suppressed for some reason.

    Concepts like "it's human only after delivery/birth" or "it's human only if it can survive outside the woman's body"are equally narrow-minded and radical to say the least.

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    Re: Russian population

    Post  Werewolf on Thu Oct 27, 2016 7:50 am

    Svyatoslavich wrote:
    GarryB wrote:A woman should have control of her own body.
    Exact. Over HER body, not someone's else body with different DNA.

    Absolutley!

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    Re: Russian population

    Post  GarryB on Thu Oct 27, 2016 10:28 am

    In my opinion it is not the right of a government to have any say in such matters.

    The government banning abortions is no different from the government imposing abortion criteria where abortions should be implemented.

    It is the mother who should have the say, not some bureaucrat.

    Fetus's have no rights.

    Just like Animals have no rights.

    People have responsibilities.

    There are too many people on this planet as it is and just having more unwanted children will make things worse, not better.


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    Re: Russian population

    Post  Rmf on Thu Oct 27, 2016 7:10 pm

    no. fertility rates have been declining for decades. human population grows more because humans are living longer and not that much because they are multiplying.
    pressure on enviroment is increased if instead of 1 house and one- 4 member family in it, you have to build ,heat ,provide elctricity and water, to 4 houses where every member is living solo.
    feministic (todays) society never last, never win, never invent , patriarchy is only way.

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    Re: Russian population

    Post  KiloGolf on Thu Oct 27, 2016 7:38 pm

    GarryB wrote:Fetus's have no rights.

    Same as women or children a mere few decades ago.

    GarryB wrote:People have responsibilities.

    Not according to you.

    GarryB wrote:There are too many people on this planet as it is and just having more unwanted children will make things worse, not better.

    Inspiring words lol1

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    Re: Russian population

    Post  Project Canada on Thu Oct 27, 2016 11:18 pm




    Russians willing to emigrate unchanged since 2011, poll shows


    The proportion of Russians who want to leave their country for other nations has unchanged over the past five years according to a recent research, despite economic sanctions and political pressure applied from abroad.

    The state-run VTSIOM public opinion research center reports that that the poll conducted in early October this year showed that a total of 11 percent of Russians confessed a desire to emigrate. Of those, only 7 percent said they wanted to leave Russia in the nearest future, 13 percent said they would prefer to do so in three to five years’ time, 18 percent said they didn’t know when they would be able to take the step, while 51 percent said their desire was not connected with any particular plans.

    Besides, 63 percent of those who wanted to move to other countries told researchers that they were not taking any steps for making their dream a reality. Of those doing something to achieve the goal of emigrating, 16 percent said that they were learning a foreign language, 15 percent were accumulating funds and 8 percent said they were searching for a job or an education program in another country.

    Eighty-six percent of respondents said that they did not want to leave Russia and 75 percent said that in their opinion it would be best if their children spent their lives in Russia as well. At the same time, 20 percent of those polled said that they personally knew some people who had emigrated from Russia over the past five years.

    VTSIOM researchers noted in their report that the lingering economic crisis foreign sanctions and other hardships of recent years had had no effect on the Russians’ views on emigration. In 2011-2016 the share of those who want to leave their country fluctuated between 13 and 11 percent. In 1991, for example, it was at 16 percent.

    When researchers asked about the main motive behind the emigration drive, 50 percent said they were attracted by higher living standards, 7 percent sought social stability, 5 percent said they disagreed with the politics of the Russian government, 4 percent cited a better climate, 3 percent wanted more favorable conditions for starting their own business and two groups of 2 percent said they wished for a good education or wanted to reunite with foreign-based relatives.

    Some 12 percent of would-be emigrants said they wanted to live in Germany and 7 percent preferred the United States, while France, UK, Canada and Italy attracted 7, 5, 4, 3 and 3 percent respectively.

    Russia itself is one of the world’s leaders in accepting immigrants and asylum seekers. According to the Federal Migration Commission, in early 2016 about 10 million foreign citizens resided in the Russian Federation (of them, about 8.7 million were from ex-Soviet republics), with Russia’s population currently standing at over 146 million.

    https://www.rt.com/politics/364141-share-of-russians-willing-to/

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    Re: Russian population

    Post  Svyatoslavich on Fri Oct 28, 2016 12:56 am

    Rmf wrote:no. fertility rates have been declining for decades. human population grows more because humans are living longer and not that much because they are multiplying.
    pressure on enviroment is increased if instead of 1 house and one- 4 member family in it, you have to build ,heat ,provide elctricity and water, to 4 houses where every member is living solo.
    feministic (todays) society never last, never win, never invent , patriarchy is only way.
    Completely true.
    Also, the argument of "too many people in this world" doesn't hold either, like if the planet was wholy covered by crowded cities. In fact, it is hard to find countries which are really full (Bangladesh comes to mind), even China has a lot of empty space (north and west are sparsely populated areas), while Canada, Russia, Argentina, Australia and Brazil have gigantic empty areas.

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    Re: Russian population

    Post  GarryB on Fri Oct 28, 2016 6:57 am

    even China has a lot of empty space (north and west are sparsely populated areas), while Canada, Russia, Argentina, Australia and Brazil have gigantic empty areas.

    Yeah... the huge area with sparse population in China is called the Gobi desert... in northern africa it is called the Sahara, in Russia it is a frozen wasteland, as it is in Canada and a desert in Australia.

    There are no people there because living would be very harsh and difficult.

    You talk about reducing fertility... perhaps when populations actually go down you might have a case but the global populations seem to just be increasing, and problems with availability of fresh water and food are not getting better... they are getting worse.

    Perhaps if consumerism was stopped and responsibility was considered more important than rights to this or that, then we could deal with some of the problems a large population creates, but until then by all means ban abortion... they can just send the kids to your address and you can sort them out right?


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    Re: Russian population

    Post  Rmf on Sat Oct 29, 2016 4:45 am

    economies with old population dont grow , look at japan, too much tax burden on social securities and medicare , and you cant start any enterprise because of high tax burden.
    paradoxicaly countries with large old population have high youth unemployement - spain. old people dont eat much, dont go out, dont spend much,mostly 0 productivity...

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    Re: Russian population

    Post  GarryB on Sat Oct 29, 2016 9:34 am

    Yet the irony is that money is the best way to make money.

    Having money and investing it offers vastly better financial returns than actual labour... the problem is that the financial markets have turned on themselves and gone feral... the property market is a great way to make easy money when there is no capital gains tax... and politicians don't like actually taxing the rich... cause all their friends and financial contributors are rich...

    The largest city in NZ is called Auckland and there is a huge housing shortage... people wanting to buy homes. Except an enormous number are actually empty because you can buy a shithole of a house for $400,000 and wait two years and get double your money back when you sell... who wants to waste time with tenants that could occidentally burn the place down or otherwise be a pain in the ass.

    Half the problem is that young people see the comfort of the older people and want that for themselves... they just don't want to work for it...


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    Post  Rmf on Sun Oct 30, 2016 11:01 pm

    that is fake money and a baloon , but banks love it so they can enslave more people with higher debts.... credits usually bring the prices up because it gets affordable to more people so more people compete and drive prices up.
    if speculation makes good money ofcourse nobody will work and toil so dont blame young people.

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    Post  GarryB on Mon Oct 31, 2016 7:13 am

    if speculation makes good money ofcourse nobody will work and toil so dont blame young people.

    I don't blame young people...

    The real irony is that bald old fat guy in that expensive Porche would probably swap that expensive car and the big flash house to be young again...

    By the time you get what you want sometimes you realise you missed out on some real things that are more important in your drive to get it and when you get it, you realise you can't get that time back to spend it is less financially productive and more morally productive things.

    Life is all about choices made and choices not made.


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    Re: Russian population

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    HIV 'epidemic': Official says nearly every 50th resident of Russian Urals city infected

    Almost every 50th citizen in the city of Ekaterinburg in Russia’s Ural region has been infected with the HIV virus, a health official said, noting that the situation has already reached epidemic proportions.
    “Almost every 50th resident of Ekaterinburg is infected with HIV,” Tatiana Savinova, the first deputy head of the city’s health department, said during a press conference, adding that outbreaks are considered an epidemic when the infection rate reaches 1 percent – a threshold that has already been surpassed in Ekaterinburg.

    The city of 1.5 million people “has reached a generalized stage of the infection,” she said, as cited by TASS. “For us doctors, the HIV epidemic has already started," since so many people are sick in Ekaterinburg. But this did not happen yesterday, she said, while noting that the epidemic has not been announced officially.

    The Sverdlovsk region where Ekaterinburg is located tops the list of Russian regions afflicted by HIV. In the first nine months of 2016, the HIV infection rate there stood at 118.2 per 100,000 people.

    On the other hand, the Sverdlovsk region also has more people tested for HIV – over 23 percent of the population – while in other regions only 15 people are generally tested, according to Savinova.

    The infection is ‘getting older,’ with many people infected now 30-49 years old – and not all are from society’s marginal layer.

    “These are not drug addicts or homeless people; they are socially prosperous people. A mass infection took place in the 1990s, when prostitution and drug addiction were wide spread,” Savinova said.

    “Ekaterinburg’s health authorities have registered some 26,693 cases of HIV,” the city’s mayor, Evgeny Roizman, said, as cited by RIA Novosti. That amounts 1,826 cases per 100,000 people, or 1.8 percent of the city’s population.

    Earlier, in an interview with Ura.ru news portal, Savinova said that the majority of those infected receive antiretroviral drugs, but this is still not enough, and the HIV epidemic is spreading.

    “If [the Russian authorities] don’t take action in the next five years, the situation could become absolutely deplorable,” Savinova said.

    Savinova drew an example from UNAIDS 90×90×90 strategy aimed at battling HIV and AIDS worldwide, whose targets stipulate that, by 2020, 90 percent of all people living with HIV “will know their HIV status,” 90 percent of all people diagnosed with HIV “will receive sustained antiretroviral therapy,” and 90 percent of all people “receiving antiretroviral therapy will have viral suppression.”

    https://www.rt.com/news/365089-russia-urals-hiv-rate/


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