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    Post  TheArmenian on Thu Jan 16, 2020 3:39 am

    I have the best solution for fertility and it won't cost anything:

    - Once a week, switch off the electricity for a few hours (evening time) in whole regions. See how birth rates will rise.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:09 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:I have the best solution for fertility and it won't cost anything:

    - Once a week, switch off the electricity for a few hours (evening time) in whole regions. See how birth rates will rise.

    thats true.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:01 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:yup, that's precisely how I see it.  Otherwise  you need "Nigerian" fertility rates to keep up with population growth  Cool .

    All you need for good birth rate are decent incomes, reasonable work hours, maternity leave, affordable housing and affordable kindergartens

    Afterwards problem fixes itself

    All easily doable if you don't dick around and do some planning


    yes if you mean fertility rate ~2,2, no if you need to grow to keep .economy growing. Especially if you accept qualified, working-age immigrants. Say million - two per year should be doable for Russia to boost population and to assimilate them into society.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:13 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:If you want higher fertility above 2.2, then as it always has been and always will be, you will have put pressure on the Women.
    And give as many benefits as possible to the Man.

    like rape? affraid affraid affraid
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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:02 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:If you want higher fertility above 2.2, then as it always has been and always will be, you will have put pressure on the Women.
    And give as many benefits as possible to the Man.

    like rape? affraid affraid affraid

    He sure did suggest it plenty of times before... Suspect

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    Post  Regular on Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:53 pm

    Ban abortions.

    Women in big cities care too much for their careers and they can afford abortions. If I am not mistaken, Russia is one of the leading countries when it comes to terminating pregnancies.

    Also, women in Moscow let you nut as they use this shit like escapelle or similiar morning pills. Ban the hell out of them as well. They destroy female hormones and make them age faster.

    Russians do shag no less than other nations and condoms are not that popular, but there are shit ton of contraception available for low price.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:10 pm


    Romania banned abortions back in a day, ask them how well that shit went

    Only thing that abortion bans ever achieved is booming illegal abortion industry, surge in crime rate once discarded newborns come of age and massive support for liberalism

    If you want increased birthrate then you have to create conditions in which people would actually WANT to have children

    And don't try to pin this on women because having children requires two things: womb and money

    Women routinely provide former while men are supposed to (and routinely fail to) provide latter

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    Post  calripson on Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:26 pm

    You can provide a monetary incentive for woman to give birth and place the child into adoption rather than aborting the child. Orphanages in Russia can be modeled on Kitezh or Orion - both of which I have visited. They are multifamily communities with foster parents raising their own children and adopted kids. I think about 30-40 kids in each and maybe 8 families. They have their own schools and facilities and are located in rural areas. They have been in operation for twenty years and have successfully raised hundreds of kids who went on to college and a normal adult life unlike many kids from orphanages. The founder is named Morozov - he wrote several books about his system of raising kids.

    Kitezh and Orion receive some state support and they receive donations from well-wishers (mostly foreign as rich Russians prefer to spend their money on yachts and Spanish villas), but their cost of raising kids is pretty cheap as they grow and raise a lot of their own food. There would be a cost to setting up these communities and recruiting qualified foster parents, but it would serve a dual purpose of rural revitilization.

    https://www.ecologia.org.uk/kitezh-orion/
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:50 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Romania banned abortions back in a day, ask them how well that shit went

    from moral perspective abortion is killing a child. If you agree on abortions then why not late abortions? some politicians deserve their late ones.


    True - people need to WANT having kids.



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    And don't try to pin this on women because having children requires two things: womb and money

    and I always thought that it requires both parents to raise and make kids Razz Razz Razz .  Womb and bolls are technicalities here Smile



    BTW dont be a sexist, women can provide money as well lol1 lol1 lol1
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:51 am

    calripson wrote:You can provide a monetary incentive for woman to give birth and place the child into adoption rather than aborting the child.

    https://www.ecologia.org.uk/kitezh-orion/

    ditto
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    Post  PhSt on Sat Jan 18, 2020 1:15 am


    Only thing that abortion bans ever achieved is booming illegal abortion industry, surge in crime rate once discarded newborns come of age and massive support for liberalism

    Islamic countries have strict anti abortion laws, yet you won’t see massive support for liberalism in these places. The only reason how banning abortion will foment pro liberal attitudes in Russia is because America will exploit the situation and provide both overt and covert support to Russian 5th column Liberats.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Jan 18, 2020 1:29 am

    PhSt wrote:

    Only thing that abortion bans ever achieved is booming illegal abortion industry, surge in crime rate once discarded newborns come of age and massive support for liberalism

    Islamic countries have strict anti abortion laws, yet you won’t see massive support for liberalism in these places.

    You don't see it because they are all religious totalitarian dictatorships

    If you want to go with that approach then just have entire country convert to Islam and set up a caliphate

    Ot would be much faster, cheaper and simpler



    PhSt wrote:...The only reason how banning abortion will foment pro liberal attitudes in Russia is because America will exploit the situation and provide both overt and covert support to Russian 5th column Liberats.

    Once you ban abortion 50% of your population will slowly start supporting whatever ideology gives them more options in life, in this case liberalism

    USA is no a factor here and even if it were it would mean that in order to get desired results through banning abortion you just need to completely neutralize USA

    Not happening



    And there is one simple fact that Russia stopped being primitive totalitarian shithole less than 30 years ago and they aren't in a hurry to become another one now



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    Post  AlfaT8 on Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:24 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:If you want higher fertility above 2.2, then as it always has been and always will be, you will have put pressure on the Women.
    And give as many benefits as possible to the Man.

    like rape? affraid affraid affraid

    He sure did suggest it plenty of times before... Suspect


    No, like sending them into the Draft, and leaving some loopholes for them to have kids instead going into the draft.
    Why does every nitwit simply default to "rape".

    When did i suggest that?
    Why the hell does putting any kind of pressure mechanism on women, translate into Rape.
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    Post  Hannibal Barca on Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:31 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Romania banned abortions back in a day, ask them how well that shit went

    Only thing that abortion bans ever achieved is booming illegal abortion industry, surge in crime rate once discarded newborns come of age and massive support for liberalism

    If you want increased birthrate then you have to create conditions in which people would actually WANT to have children

    And don't try to pin this on women because having children requires two things: womb and money

    Women routinely provide former while men are supposed to (and routinely fail to) provide latter


    https://www.populationpyramid.net/romania/2020/

    As you can see here worked like a charm...
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:35 pm

    Hannibal Barca wrote:...https://www.populationpyramid.net/romania/2020/

    As you can see here worked like a charm...

    Ah definitely, because Romania in the 80s is an example for civilized societies to follow

    Modern day Somalia looks good in comparison

    Anyway as the graph shows it had opposite effect in the long run



    Now a question: how many of the individuals in this photo do you think grew up to become productive usable members of society?

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    Population is supposed to be an asset not a liability


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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Sat Jan 18, 2020 2:16 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:If you want higher fertility above 2.2, then as it always has been and always will be, you will have put pressure on the Women.
    And give as many benefits as possible to the Man.

    like rape? affraid affraid affraid

    He sure did suggest it plenty of times before... Suspect


    No, like sending them into the Draft, and leaving some loopholes for them to have kids instead going into the draft.
    Why does every nitwit simply default to "rape".

    When did i suggest that?
    Why the hell does putting any kind of pressure mechanism on women, translate into Rape.
    well, it is unjust that only men have to dedicate one year of their life to the state, since now both men and woman have the same political rights. Nevertheless I am against drafting women in the army.  Even if you would want to give them some military training it would be much better to train them as combat medic/ combat nurse for a few months and then let them serve the rest of the year in that role or alternetively in orphanages or nursing homes.

    I find it strange here in the west the obsession of having women in the military. I can understand that there could be some special exceptions, like Guard Captain Aleksandra Grigoryevna Samusenko, that commanded a T34 tank in WW2, but as said, it was an exceptional circumstance.

    In my opinion women can be very good as intelligence or counter intelligence officers, but they are generally not ideal for infantry roles. In the navy, where the roles are less physically challenging there could be instead even more problems, due to the living space conditions and the problem presented by pregnancy (usually happening a lot before war deployment of a warship).

    https://stream.org/deployed-us-navy-pregnancy-problem-getting-worse/


    A record 16 out of 100 Navy women are reassigned from ships to shore duty due to pregnancy, according to data obtained under the Freedom of Information Act by the Daily Caller News Foundation Investigative Group.

    That number is up 2 percent from 2015, representing hundreds more who have to cut their deployments short, taxing both their unit’s manpower, military budgets and combat readiness. Further, such increases cast a shadow over the lofty gender integration goals set by former President Barack Obama.

    Overall, women unexpectedly leave their stations on Navy ships as much as 50 percent more frequently to return to land duty, according to documents obtained from the Navy. The statistics were compiled by the Navy Personnel Command at the request of TheDCNF, covering the period from January 2015 to September 2016.

    The evacuation of pregnant women is costly for the Navy. Jude Eden, a nationally known author about women in the military who served in 2004 as a Marine deployed to Iraq, said a single transfer can cost the Navy up to $30,000 for each woman trained for a specific task, then evacuated from an active duty ship and sent to land. That figure translates into $115 million in expenses for 2016 alone.

    “This is an avoidable cost and expense, leaving a gap for other people to pick up the work slack,” Eden said.

    “A pregnancy takes you out of action for about two years. And there’s no replacement,” said Elaine Donnelly, president of the Center for Military Readiness, a nonpartisan public policy organization. “So everybody else has to work all that harder,” adding that on small ships and on submarines, “you really have a potential crew disaster.”

    Navy Lt. Cmdr. Nathan Christensen told TheDCNF the Navy tries to plan for the unplanned.

    “Just as we deal with other unplanned manning losses due to injury or other hardships, we work to ensure that pregnant service members are taken care of and that commands are equipped to fulfill their missions when an unexpected loss occurs,” he said.

    In January 2015, 3,335 women were pregnant aboard military vessels, representing about 14 percent of the 23,735 women then serving such duty, according to the data.

    But by August 2016 that number reached nearly 16 percent, an all-time high. The Navy reported that 3,840 of the 24,259 women sailors who were aboard Navy ships were pregnant.

    P.s. in america many women decide to serve in the military because is the only possibility of receiving normal welfare and child assistance.
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    Post  calripson on Sat Jan 18, 2020 9:09 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Hannibal Barca wrote:...https://www.populationpyramid.net/romania/2020/

    As you can see here worked like a charm...

    Ah definitely, because Romania in the 80s is an example for civilized societies to follow

    Modern day Somalia looks good in comparison

    Anyway as the graph shows it had opposite effect in the long run



    Now a question: how many of the individuals in this photo do you think grew up to become productive usable members of society?

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    Population is supposed to be an asset not a liability

    Depends on the society and its values. Russia certainly has the means and resources to support a much higher population.


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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun Jan 19, 2020 12:04 am

    Rosstat forecast: over 16 years, Russia's population will decrease by 12 M
    https://www.newsru.com/russia/27dec2019/rosstatdemo.html
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    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Jan 19, 2020 12:08 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Rosstat forecast: over 16 years, Russia's population will decrease by 12 M
    https://www.newsru.com/russia/27dec2019/rosstatdemo.html

    FYI, that is based upon stagnating numbers. Which is a falsehood of calculating. But no one knows real trends. 12M is a huge number to drop and there is zero in terms of evidence that this would happen. Even during soviet times and after WWII where Russia supposedly lost 20M people, their population was.....increasing.

    So as usual, whatever Tsavo posts, take it with a grain of sand.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun Jan 19, 2020 12:26 am

    Even during soviet times and after WWII where Russia supposedly lost 20M people,...
    The USSR lost ~ 40M total by some estimates.
    their population was.....increasing
    as it should have, after Ms of men & women returned from the war & the GULAG.
    But most of the population increase in the 1945-1991 period was in the Muslim areas of Russia, Azerbaijan & Central Asia.
    Transposing those conditions on the RF is a mistake: back then, it was a CPSU dictatorship with centralized planned economy & mostly immobile population, esp. in rural areas. Now the RF is still in transition to free market capitalism or whatever will replace it, while being engaged in low intensity conflicts & proxy wars.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Jan 19, 2020 12:39 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    Even during soviet times and after WWII where Russia supposedly lost 20M people,...
    The USSR lost ~ 40M total by some estimates.
    their population was.....increasing
    as it should have, after Ms of men & women returned from the war & the GULAG.
    But most of the population increase in the 1945-1991 period was in the Muslim areas of Russia, Azerbaijan & Central Asia.
    Transposing those conditions on the RF is a mistake: back then, it was a CPSU dictatorship with centralized planned economy & mostly immobile population, esp. in rural areas. Now the RF is still in transition to free market capitalism or whatever will replace it, while being engaged in low intensity conflicts & proxy wars.

    No it wasn't.  Prove it.

    Muslim regions of Russia has been rather small since forever.  Hence why Russia's total population of Ethnic Russians account for 82% of the entire population.  That is now.  Back then it would have been less because of all the "Stan" countries people flooding inwards towards Moscow back then.

    They themselves barely have any children. And they are also too busy killing each other that whatever children they do have, makes their population rather stagnant. It only has been recently that Chechnya has a growing birth rate. Prior to that, they were stagnant to falling.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun Jan 19, 2020 2:18 am

    In the Soviet times, the Muslim majority republics had a lot higher birth rate than in the rest of the country; RSFSR, i.e. Russian Republic's population did increase also due to immigration from the 14 other republics. Now, as then, the immigrants to the RF from Stans stay in it mostly temporary- once they earn enough $, they go home.


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    Post  calripson on Sun Jan 19, 2020 2:25 am

    miketheterrible wrote:
    Tsavo Lion wrote:Rosstat forecast: over 16 years, Russia's population will decrease by 12 M
    https://www.newsru.com/russia/27dec2019/rosstatdemo.html

    FYI, that is based upon stagnating numbers.  Which is a falsehood of calculating.  But no one knows real trends.  12M is a huge number to drop and there is zero in terms of evidence that this would happen.  Even during soviet times and after WWII where Russia supposedly lost 20M people, their population was.....increasing.

    So as usual, whatever Tsavo posts, take it with a grain of sand.


    The same type of forecasts were made in 1990's that said by now Russia's population should be 130MM not 147MM. Demographics are not written in stone and the future is in the hands of decisions made in the present.
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    Post  Regular on Sun Jan 19, 2020 5:37 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Romania banned abortions back in a day, ask them how well that shit went

    Only thing that abortion bans ever achieved is booming illegal abortion industry, surge in crime rate once discarded newborns come of age and massive support for liberalism

    If you want increased birthrate then you have to create conditions in which people would actually WANT to have children

    And don't try to pin this on women because having children requires two things: womb and money

    Women routinely provide former while men are supposed to (and routinely fail to) provide latter


    Russia is not Romania. Abortions in Romania come from lower castes of society when in Russia, young families and career women are the majority of baby killers. I wouldn't mind abortion myself if mother and father who agreed to it would be disposed in a ditch as well. Fuck them. sniper
    I personally think, that abortion should only be eugenic in nature and not circumstancial. Russia has enough land and resources to take care of their sons and daughters.
    Now seriously..

    Even today Russia also has backalley clinics where late term abortions are performed. It's not like there's no illegal industry even today. How much it will be booming - it will depend on the government.

    Abortion bans are to deter and it won't stop it, especially when there are such thing as abortion tourism these days. But even one saved life is achievement.

    Let's be real here - Russia definetly doesn't have super attractive conditions to bring a child into this world. (yet, am I right guys??)
    Educational system, infrastructure, social services, earning potential, crime.. Statistically, it's so much worse than in Finland. Fuck statistics, take roadtrip from St. Piter to Finland and you can see that even this decade Russian villages still look like dying slavic slums.

    Living standards are far superior in Finland than in Russia and to absolute shitier Dacia Duster of a country - Romania. Yet Finish snownogers have even more problems with their fertility. dunno

    Their ugly, albino looking, piglike women clench up to the ripe age of 35 and only then.. after spending fortune decorating their white PVC covered houses with IKEA rubbish and travelling India 30 times to designated finnish streets, they decide to have children.

    And once in a polar night, finish man has chance to aim his little Simo Hayha at his childless FILF. His perkele bastards still end up freezing into icicles trying to reach a barren and dry taiga womb. Most of the finnish women are like a pine and bear no fruit.. and if they do, they pop a fintard once in a while. Not only their living standards are pretty high, but they are also quite ahead in depression, down syndrome and still births.

    Abortion is not a problem in Finland, it is in Russia. Low birth rates in the end are cultural problem in both countries. Women have too much pseudo freedom and go against the nature and modern men are politically correct cucks who want all fun and no responsibility.
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