Cowboy's daughter wrote:I hate to go back 47 pages, but one thing I'm curious about is Indigenous ppl in Russia.
Especially since dissolution of USSR
I guess I make this post because to me the USA probably always has been, but feels more so fracturing based on ethnicity, and I guess depends on how a person sees it : that 1. people are blowing back based on how they've been treated/discriminated against, or 2. persons in power are pitting some ethnicity against other, or 3. both, and I PERCEIVE, whether fact or not, that in Russia, discrimination of one ethnicity against other is not tolerated.
& I'm wondering what the facts are in real life, in Russia?
There is no comparison of the US (and Canada) in its treatment of indigenous peoples and that of both the Russian Empire and the USSR.
There was never any ethnic cleansing into reservation ghettos in Russia. In Ontario and elsewhere the original aboriginal lands have been
expropriated and tiny parcels left over as reservations. Life on reservations in Canada is in actuality very similar to the 3rd world. This is
not hyperbole, this is fact. They are dirt poor, live in shacks (even though millions of dollars are spent supposedly to give them better housing)
and are ruled over by corrupt chief-based administrations. They are truly ghettoized. In some sense it would have been better if there
were no reservations and the aboriginal got assimilated, then they may have avoided living in the reservation limbo trapped between a
defunct traditional lifestyle and a modern one.
In Russia aboriginals live on their ancestral lands and there was never any policy of forced assimilation or ethnic cleansing to open up
lebensraum for white Russians. The USSR took this to a new level of creating ethnic republics. These are like the US states and not some
token reservation-like "bantustans". Aboriginals in Russia are not trapped in any limbo and have economically and temporally, but not
culturally and linguistically, assimilated with the rest of the country. However, there is a universality of problems that applies to Russia
and the USA. Nomadic and semi-nomadic cultures experience a lot of stress due to development. So things were not always rosy in
Russia. But it helped that Russia has historical multi-ethnic cultural identity. There is not one ethnic Russia, there are dozens of them
and they are all one. When Canadians and Americans were sneering at aboriginals for being "savages", Russia viewed them as part of
itself and its identity. Of course, the whole "savages" tag was a justification for ethnic cleansing and land expropriation. In Spanish
America, the aboriginals were designated by the Church to not have a soul and could be abused at will. Although the English North
America treatment of aboriginals was atrocious, the Spanish America treatment of aboriginals was even worse. In Brazil (and Cuba
and elsewhere) natives were made into slaves. In Argentina there was genocide (physical extermination not just ethnic cleansing)
of whole native peoples, e.g. the Patagonians. In parts of Latin America the situation is more complex and there was a sort of blending
of newcomers and the indigenous people such as in Mexico.
(BTW, I have nothing against Latin America, I view it much more favourably than English America today).
During the Cold War, the US established political sabotage operations that were predicated on Russia's distinctive multi-ethnic character.
There was the US committee of so-called trapped nations that was created to agitate various ethnic groups in the USSR to help bring it
down. It is almost impossible to agitate minorities in the US or Canada since they are marginal and have no regional coherence. In the
USSR, you had ethnic republics which could be agitated to secede. In the case of Chechnya it was easy to pray of resentment due
to their mass deportation during WWII by Stalin and subsequent large loss of life. In Ukraine, you had the Banderites. And so on.
The larger ethnic republics were easier to target. But the went after all the small ones as well. This agitation has actually continued
into the present day as Russia is prone to secessionist agitation. You will note how Turkey ethnically cleansed millions of Kurds from
their ancestral lands into the large cities where they became a displaced minority, during the 1980s and bulldozed their villages. Robbing
them of their land deprives them of regional power and the chance to secede. The closest such policy analogue in the USSR was Chechnya
but it did not last and Chechens returned to their towns and villages (which were not eradicated as in Turkey).