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    Post  par far on Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:19 am

    The population can be helped by the government, if the Russian government made a genuine effort to help the population grow, than it will grow(and I fully think that the Russian government is doing that.) Helping out with child support, giving parents the full support they need, good health care and good schooling.

    I think that the Russian population will grow because the government has made positive gains in child support, helping parents and child care. They can do more of course but they are making positive gains.

    There are too many false articles about Russia and the Russian population (which have been going on for decades and centuries going back in history.)
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    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:42 am

    par far wrote:The population can be helped by the government, if the Russian government made a genuine effort to help the population grow, than it will grow(and I fully think that the Russian government is doing that.) Helping out with child support, giving parents the full support they need, good health care and good schooling.

    I think that the Russian population will grow because the government has made positive gains in child support, helping parents and child care. They can do more of course but they are making positive gains.

    There are too many false articles about Russia and the Russian population (which have been going on for decades and centuries going back in history.)

    Tsavo is an idiot, ignore him.

    He repeats bullshit. The demographics of Russia has always floated around the 120M mark. It's population now is massive and what he nor his idiot mind thinks can't comprehend is that the events of the 90's is showing itself now. Broth rates are high but not enough to counter the sad events of the 90's. So Russia's population will teeter to the amount of 142M for a while. Demographics always are like that.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:57 am

    Tsavo is an idiot, ignore him.
    I'm not more idiotic than u, judging by ur posts & picture! The last Russian article I posted wasn't written by me, & it reflects the real state of affairs.
    At this stage, Russia would get more population by adopting Confucianism from China (which never had such problem despite all the famines, wars, & natural disasters) as state ideology. It would be fitting as they r getting allied with China anyway.
    The Eastern Orthodox Christianity did bring Russia closer to Europe politically/economically, but now the Russian Orthodox Church is in crises in Ukraine & is 1 of many other denominations in Russia itself.


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    Post  kvs on Tue Nov 12, 2019 3:38 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Demographic catastrophe: capitalism is an endangered Russia
    https://regnum.ru/news/society/2773088.html

    The usual drivel. It's always easy to look for a scapegoat, but modern European population dynamics is more complex:

    1) The old family structure of the 1940s where the woman is the house-wife and raises the kids without having a
    career is no longer a factor. The cost of living has gone up substantially over the last 70+ years. Women have to
    work to support the family just like the men. Ignoring this factor makes any analysis not worth the bother.

    2) The above is true for Russia and not just the west. Women do not stay at home to raise kids.
    They have to work.

    3) The result of working women and the overall high living costs has made children a financial and physical
    (no time to look after them all day long since both parents are at work) burden. This has directly led
    to the reduction of children per family unit. Raising 3 children is very expensive today compared to the rural
    days when they were cheap and served as free labour on the farm.

    4) The change in the economy of the family unit (both men and women working) has come together with
    a change in the behavior of women. Women are now vastly more picky about which men the want to hook
    up with. Studies have shown that women only like 20% of the men even if these women are not the
    top 20% of the female sex. Compared to 70 years ago, the divorce rate has increased substantially.
    This suppresses the overall birth rate since men don't to marry divorcees especially with children.

    Nothing about the Russian birth rate indicates a singular state compared to the rest of Europe and even
    North America. The birth rate in the USSR was just over 1.5% from the mid 1960s onward. So talk about
    2% or higher birth rates is detached from reality. The natural progression being observed is for about 1%
    annual birth rate.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/11414064/How-Europe-is-slowly-dying-despite-an-increasing-world-population.html

    https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/RUS/russia/birth-rate

    https://www.thelocal.it/20180627/italy-declining-birthrate-population

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/science/why-is-europe-losing-the-will-to-breed-1.2644169

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    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Nov 12, 2019 4:54 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    Tsavo is an idiot, ignore him.
    I'm not more idiotic than u, judging by ur posts & picture! The last Russian article I posted wasn't written by me, & it reflects the real state of affairs.
    At this stage, Russia would get more population by adopting Confucianism from China (which never had such problem despite all the famines, wars, & natural disasters) as state ideology. It would be fitting as they r getting allied with China anyway.
    The Eastern Orthodox Christianity did bring Russia closer to Europe politically/economically, but now the Russian Orthodox Church is in crises in Ukraine & is 1 of many other denominations in Russia itself.

    No and no.  It doesnt prove anything other than morons believe in it.

    Go read my post, you will see real numbers and statistics.  Not hysteric bullshit that you rely on.  Dumbass.

    For those too stupid and lazy:

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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:31 pm

    It doesnt prove anything other than morons believe in it.
    Go read my post, you will see real numbers and statistics.
    when there r no guiding principles restricting self-destruction like excessive drinking, smoking, drug abuse, & incorrect diet, it contributes to higher mortality. W/o Confucianism, China would be split into several states by now; Korean, Vietnamese, & Japanese histories would be entirely different. Btw, Muslims & Jews, practicing or not, also don't have those problems & most do have many children.
    Statistics is 1 of the biggest lies out there, & those who believe it r no less moronic than Russian Christians.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:43 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    It doesnt prove anything other than morons believe in it.
    Go read my post, you will see real numbers and statistics.
    when there r no guiding principles restricting self-destruction like excessive drinking, smoking, drug abuse, & incorrect diet, it contributes to higher mortality. W/o Confucianism, China would be split into several states by now; Korean, Vietnamese, & Japanese histories would be entirely different. Btw, Muslims & Jews, practicing or not, also don't have those problems & most do have many children.
    Statistics is 1 of the biggest lies out there, & those who believe it r no less moronic than Russian Christians.

    Uh, Russias consumption has dropped considerably. 43% actually.

    Instead of assuming things, just rely on facts, thank you very much.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:37 pm

    Uh, Russias consumption has dropped considerably. 43% actually.
    let's hope it drops more, & for a long time!
    Otherwise, it won't decrease mortality by much.
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    Post  kvs on Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:08 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    Tsavo is an idiot, ignore him.
    I'm not more idiotic than u, judging by ur posts & picture! The last Russian article I posted wasn't written by me, & it reflects the real state of affairs.
    At this stage, Russia would get more population by adopting Confucianism from China (which never had such problem despite all the famines, wars, & natural disasters) as state ideology. It would be fitting as they r getting allied with China anyway.
    The Eastern Orthodox Christianity did bring Russia closer to Europe politically/economically, but now the Russian Orthodox Church is in crises in Ukraine & is 1 of many other denominations in Russia itself.

    No and no.  It doesnt prove anything other than morons believe in it.

    Go read my post, you will see real numbers and statistics.  Not hysteric bullshit that you rely on.  Dumbass.

    For those too stupid and lazy:

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    Russia is prospering and has the most freedom in its history. Actually putting the fake western "freedom" in its place.
    So it is the duty of all defenders of the west and its crusade to dominate the world to pour smear and lies about Russia.
    Note how Putin gets blamed for the demographic decline that was caused by the 1990s Yeltsin shock therapy and super-depression.
    This is the same ploy as accusing Putin of creating conditions for corruption in Russia as if the gangster's paradise
    under Yeltsin never existed.

    The links I posted above demonstrate that the birth rate in many of the EU member states is lower than that of Russia
    even accounting for all the ethnic republics and their higher birth rates. Unlike Russia, these EU members did not
    experience any super-depression since WWII. So the Russian birth rate has normalized and is now consistent with the
    1980s USSR birth rate. Yet we have the wailing and gnashing of teeth at Putin and Russia as if the sky is falling and
    the wolf is running amok through the village. Pure propaganda BS. Not even good propaganda since it is based on some
    BS opinion piece.

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    Post  kvs on Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:14 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    It doesnt prove anything other than morons believe in it.
    Go read my post, you will see real numbers and statistics.
    when there r no guiding principles restricting self-destruction like excessive drinking, smoking, drug abuse, & incorrect diet, it contributes to higher mortality. W/o Confucianism, China would be split into several states by now; Korean, Vietnamese, & Japanese histories would be entirely different. Btw, Muslims & Jews, practicing or not, also don't have those problems & most do have many children.
    Statistics is 1 of the biggest lies out there, & those who believe it r no less moronic than Russian Christians.

    You are obnoxious. You systematically ignore any evidence that does not follow your narrative and act as a de facto troll.

    1) The average life expectancy in Russia is over 71 years. It is increasing from year to year which follows from the
    decline of alcohol consumption and reduced smoking.

    2) The birth rate in Russia is not worse than in the EU, which shows that there is no economic or social pressure in
    Russia that would ensue from a super-depression or distorted (totalitarian) way of life.

    The more you ignore these facts, the more you expose yourself as a troll clown.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:52 pm

    How long is this alleged increased birth rate will last?  
    Ur comparison with others omitted other factors- emigration & the RF size. Ideally, they need to have 4x the present population to be better equipped for survival as a unified country.
    https://regnum.ru/news/society/2774211.html


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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:39 am

    Christ Almighty.

    No they don't. They never did and thus have no need to. They kept their integrity due to their own form of nationalism. They don't need a massive population.
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    Post  PhSt on Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:59 am


    They don't need a massive population.

    But it cannot be denied that a big population is necessary to maintain a strong country. The US, China or the former USSR wouldn't be powerful if they had a population the size of New Zealand...

    If Russia had a population of at least 250 million then it would have greatly expanded its consumer base and as a result a bigger economy.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:25 am

    PhSt wrote:

    They don't need a massive population.

    But it cannot be denied that a big population is necessary to maintain a strong country. The US, China or the former USSR wouldn't be powerful if they had a population the size of New Zealand...

    If Russia had a population of at least 250 million then it would have greatly expanded its consumer base and as a result a bigger economy.

    Yeah, tell that to Nigeria and Brazil.

    Even US is broke and they don't want to deal with the overpopulation.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:27 am

    People, please refrain from the personal insults... it is a pretty basic forum rule... so if I have to say anything more on the matter in this thread it will be followed up with temporary bans.
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    But it cannot be denied that a big population is necessary to maintain a strong country. The US, China or the former USSR wouldn't be powerful if they had a population the size of New Zealand...

    So Israel is weak?

    If Russia had a population of at least 250 million then it would have greatly expanded its consumer base and as a result a bigger economy.

    So India is strong?

    The situation for China has recently radically changed... and for the better... but for a long time they were dirt poor and had an enormous population... perhaps population numbers are not that important.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:30 am

    Agreed.

    India is perfect example - where more than half the population shits on the streets and standards of living is far below that of Russia. Yeah, they sure look rich on paper. But they have either to spend that money to keep their nation and it's people afloat, or buy weapons and what not but fear their population revolting or degreasing.

    China is at where they are at because of foreign entities using them as cheap labor for over a decade.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:31 am

    They don't need a massive population.
    D. Rogozin said that for her massive size, Russia needs at least 600M, which is actually more than 4x her official figure population now.

    India is perfect example - where more than half the population shits on the streets and standards of living is far below that of Russia.
    Overpopulation isn't good either, but at least they & Chinese don't have famines like when under the British/Mao rule. Thanks to its large population, China was never completely colonized by the west nor Japan. Conquering India would be very costly, even if Pakistan & China gang up on her.
    The situation for China has recently radically changed... and for the better... but for a long time they were dirt poor and had an enormous population... perhaps population numbers are not that important.
    It gives them huge internal market & huge mobilization reserves for corvee labor & to defend/take more & better living space. They also been exporting labor & earning $ to send home.
    Russia, besides an internal market, needs more manpower for domestic workforce & mobilization reserves to defend what she has.


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    Post  PhSt on Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:51 am



    So Israel is weak?

    Sure, lets shrink the current US population to that of around 9+ million. Everything will stay the same right? No downward spiral in the economy?
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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:56 am

    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    you guys are beyond help.  You have no idea what you are preaching.  I am just glad Russia doesnt have people like you ruling.  It would collapse within days.

    quoting Dimitry Rogozin regarding population shows how amateur one is and their lack of understanding anything.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Nov 13, 2019 3:35 am

    miketheterrible wrote:AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    you guys are beyond help.
    then pl. stop replying to our posts!
    Larger population=larger army in wartime. If the USSR had 15-20M more, the Germans wouldn't have reached Moscow, the Volga & the N. Caucasus. Due to huge manpower shortage, women workers replaced men in the rear & fought in the army too, instead of having more kids. According to Rogozin, today's Russian soldier defending his country must do the job of 4 soldiers.
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    Post  franco on Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:43 am



    MOSCOW, December 12. /TASS/. Around 360,000 foreign national obtained Russian citizenship in 2019, head of the Russian Interior Ministry's department on migration Valentina Kazakova told Rossiya-24 TV channel.

    "Since 2013, the number of foreign national wishing to obtain Russian citizenship has been growing. Last year, around 270,000 foreign nationals obtained Russian citizenship, but the number today stands at over 360,000, which represents considerable growth," Kazakova said.

    There are many Ukrainian nationals among those seeking to obtain Russian citizenship, she noted. "This year, over 130,000 Ukrainian nationals obtained Russian citizenship. Of course, this was faciliatted by the federal law that granted the president powers to determine for humanitarian considerations the groups of people that can obtain Russian citizenship through a simplified procedure," she explained.

    "Kazakhstan's nationals come second, followed by Tajikistan's nationals. They are mostly people from the CIS [Commonwealth of Independent States], of course," Kazakova said.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:46 am

    The RAS calculated the collapse of Russia
    There is no other way than to complete the project of a united and indivisible imperial Russia that has died forever.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:43 pm

    That is the most stupid article and not surprised it came from a Navalny supporter to boot.

    Fuck sales dumbass, read your articles before posting them.

    He states Russia is going to disintegrate because of mismanagement. Are you fucking high? It's been managed last 10 years better than ever.

    And why not use the actual interview instead of a bloggers bullshit opinion about it mixed with anti Russian hysteria added in from a Belarussian site? Which called current government in Moscow as stupid and incapable of developing Russia

    https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4154938
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    Post  kvs on Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:18 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:That is the most stupid article and not surprised it came from a Navalny supporter to boot.

    Fuck sales dumbass, read your articles before posting them.

    He states Russia is going to disintegrate because of mismanagement. Are you fucking high? It's been managed last 10 years better than ever.

    And why not use the actual interview instead of a bloggers bullshit opinion about it mixed with anti Russian hysteria added in from a Belarussian site? Which called current government in Moscow as stupid and incapable of developing Russia

    https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4154938

    We clearly see what the trolls in this thread prefer. The usual fantasy projection onto Russia. But reality could care less what the
    trolls desire.

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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:39 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:The RAS calculated the collapse of Russia
    There is no other way than to complete the project of a united and indivisible imperial Russia that has died forever.

    Since when was project of ''united and indivisible imperial Russia'' even on the table?

    When was this article written? 1910? Suspect


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