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    Re: Russian population

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Aug 15, 2017 5:03 pm

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    Average life expectancy exceeds 72 years in Russia


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    Re: Russian population

    Post  franco on Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:42 pm

    The West Has Got Russia All Wrong

    This veteran Russia observer, previously the publisher of The Russia Journal, sees a very different Russia than the one routinely demonized in the Western media. Ajay Goyal

    When seen in real life, the procession of ordinary Russians with pictures of their relatives who fought in WW2, is truly heart-rending. In 2017, 800,000 people took part in Moscow. Countrywide, it was over 10 million, with people marching in towns and cities large and small.

    Some five years ago, veteran Russia observers, true Russia Insiders, noticed two changes in the 9th of May Victory Day parade in Moscow. I share these observations with friends who have lived in Russia through the travails of her chaotic journey of the last 25 years. The Russia we know is fundamentally different from its portrayal in the western media.

    The first change was an addition of a procession of civilians carrying pictures of their relatives who died in the Second World War. It is a march of millions, walking solemnly with pictures and placards of their own from among the 26 million lost in the war.

    Aptly named ‘The Immortal Regiment’, it represents a humane, kind, gentle, emotional and compassionate side of the modern Russian people that is unknown in the west. On display are the lasting pain and deep scars of a Russian civilization that has extracted itself from a past of ghastly wars and repressions and is now a gentler and open, democratic society.

    This March of Immortals follows the traditional military parade and the second noticeable change is very much in line with the first; it is the mood of the soldiers marching in perfect lockstep. They are a radiant, smart army, smiling from ear to ear. This parade of smiling soldiers reflects a newly relaxed and confident Russia.

    This is an invincible defensive force that is modern, agile and confident in its ability. No matter how powerful, expensive and well supplied the aggressive militaries and alliances massing on their border, Russians are determined to never again fight a war of aggression from the West or South on their own land. They will get in a lethal blow against any aggressor, first.

    Russia has a new attitude and national doctrine that will check American wars of aggression and regime change in its neighboring regions, destroy jihadist armies marauding the Middle East, kill terrorists in their breeding grounds, and never permit a repeat of the Nazi wars to exterminate the Russian people. These traits of confidence, strength and liveliness are integral to the new Russian national mood.

    The new Russia we see is not only deeply attached to its past of heroism and sacrifice in war but also confident in its future as a prosperous, invincible, unified nation building a new dream.

    While the western media and politicians are lobbing a daily torrent of invective and hatred, Russians are busy building a new nation, a new life of peace and harmony. What James Adams described as “The American Dream” in his book The Epic of America in 1931 is the only way to describe the new Russian mood and determined march toward creating a prosperous and spiritual Russia.

    The real story of this massive continent and civilization is one of coexistence in peace of dozens of ethnic people, multi-religious communities, races, languages and cultures now glued together by common dreams of prosperity, without an ideology. It is not one, but a million stories of triumph of human endeavor and spirit over the tragic past and extreme hardship that are untold in the west. Russia has never had such momentum toward peaceful and prosperous co-existence before and it marks a remarkable turn in the long history of this continent and its people.

    The Russian army with its smiles and its millions of civilians marching somberly send a message to the world of a proud people, certain of their strength, devoid of aggression, determined to create a new and good life on these lands.

    I see a new Russia that is calmly confident and free of internal strife, where extreme ideologies are marginalized. People are determined to pursue wealth and spiritual harmony in equal measure. For the first time in its long history of over a thousand years, Russia evokes a sense of normalcy. The Russian dream of achieving a “normal country” – a nation of laws – is nearly achieved and now Russians are aspiring for more – a life of prosperity and spiritual fullness. In the face of western aggression, Russia is rebuilding a civilization which is hard-earned, and for which its people are grateful.

    For a people slated for extermination by the Nazis, security is a paramount concern but not an obsession because it is a task accomplished. Moving on, the daily mood of the nation is devoted to living a good life, driving a good car, owning an apartment and a dacha, vacationing abroad several times a year, and for the newly wealthy, having homes in the French Riviera and Cyprus, sailing the oceans, giving their children the best education and sports training, winning Olympic medals and achieving greatness in science and art.

    American media and the political elites’ accusations and sanctions toward Russia are being shrugged away with anecdotes. The sanctions are welcomed by entrepreneurs because they have finally forced the Russian bureaucracy to shed its lethargy and support domestic industry and agriculture. Russians are even grateful for barrages of abuse in western media because they no longer need to put up with the shameful spectacle of appeasement and groveling toward western elites by Russia’s own liberal charlatans.

    Russians are well aware of the accusations, insults and abuse being heaped on them in the nightly entertainment shows and mainstream press. In their demonization of Russia, these talented but ignorant western writers and comics have turned Russophobia into an entertainment genre. But history teaches that they will only be remembered for turning journalism into a degraded farce not much different from the anti-Semitic and anti-Russia propaganda of Goebbels.

    Russians see this unprecedented barrage of abuse for what it is – fear mongering - so that when the time comes, ordinary Americans who know no better can be thrust into a war to satiate the needs of the military industrial complex. Russians know history and they know how wars on Russia have been fueled through centuries by Russophobe media and propaganda.

    Confident in their ability to defend against any coming aggression, Russians nonchalantly look at media attacks with the knowledge that western journalists’ insults of Russia are ultimately caricatured failures of their own societies and nations and are a precursor of their own downfall.

    The Russia that we, Russia Insiders know, is a locomotive of peace, security and prosperity in the vast expanses of Eurasia.
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    Re: Russian population

    Post  Kimppis on Mon Aug 28, 2017 6:40 pm

    And some more negativity, but obviously worth reporting:

    Russia’s population starts to decline again

    https://report.az/en/region/russia-s-population-starts-to-decline-again/

    aku. 18 August. REPORT.AZ/ In the first half of this year, the population of Russia decreased by 17,000 people and made 146,8 mln. people as of July 1.

    Report informs citing the Vesti, the Russian Statistics Committee has circulated information.

    Last year, the country’s population increased by 267,3 000 people, and in 2015 by 277,4 000.

    Along with it, in the first half-year, the number of newborns fell to 821, 000. In the same period of 2016, the number of the population declined by 928,4 000 people. The number of the dead has declined by 940,4 000 people compared to January-June 2015 (960,6 000).

    Thus, in January-June 2017, the natural decrease of the population made 119,4 000 peple compared to the same period of 2016 (32,2 000 people). As a result of migration, increase compensated 85,7% of the population decrease.

    The decrease in the number of newborns has been recorded in 84 regions, and the number of the dead in 73 regions of the country.

    Overall, the number of the dead has surpassed the number of newborns 1,1 times and 1,5-2 times in 25 regions.

    The natural population growth has been recorded in 21 regions of Russia (35 regions in the same period of 2016).

    The increase as a result of migration has made 102,3 000 people compared to January-June 2016 (141,9 people).

    So basically +- 0. It's entirely possible there will be growth this year as well, and the decline in births (atleast to this extent) might also be temporary, because people react to the economic situation with a delay. And of course death rate keeps declining, which is a good thing.
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    Re: Russian population

    Post  flamming_python on Tue Aug 29, 2017 1:13 am

    Kimppis wrote:And some more negativity, but obviously worth reporting:

    Russia’s population starts to decline again

    https://report.az/en/region/russia-s-population-starts-to-decline-again/

    aku. 18 August. REPORT.AZ/ In the first half of this year, the population of Russia decreased by 17,000 people and made 146,8 mln. people as of July 1.

    Report informs citing the Vesti, the Russian Statistics Committee has circulated information.

    Last year, the country’s population increased by 267,3 000 people, and in 2015 by 277,4 000.

    Along with it, in the first half-year, the number of newborns fell to 821, 000. In the same period of 2016, the number of the population declined by 928,4 000 people. The number of the dead has declined by 940,4 000 people compared to January-June 2015 (960,6 000).

    Thus, in January-June 2017, the natural decrease of the population made 119,4 000 peple compared to the same period of 2016 (32,2 000 people). As a result of migration, increase compensated 85,7% of the population decrease.

    The decrease in the number of newborns has been recorded in 84 regions, and the number of the dead in 73 regions of the country.

    Overall, the number of the dead has surpassed the number of newborns 1,1 times and 1,5-2 times in 25 regions.

    The natural population growth has been recorded in 21 regions of Russia (35 regions in the same period of 2016).

    The increase as a result of migration has made 102,3 000 people compared to January-June 2016 (141,9 people).

    So basically +- 0. It's entirely possible there will be growth this year as well, and the decline in births (atleast to this extent) might also be temporary, because people react to the economic situation with a delay. And of course death rate keeps declining, which is a good thing.

    The decline in the number of births is inevitable; it's now the generation that was born after the fall of the USSR that has entered child-bearing age, and there's a lot less of this group of people then even the ones that were born 5-10 years before, the birth-rate in early 90s Russia fell like a stone.

    Right now, the people that were born in 1985-1991 (last period of the USSR; the Glasnost'/Perestroika sell-off and collapse), are between 25-32 years old - the age range that most of them will be getting married and starting a family at in modern-day Russia; and just over half of this group would have done so already. Over the next 5 years, most of the rest of that group will get married and start families
    The people who are currently 18-24 were born after the USSR, and there are considerably fewer of them. They're just starting to get into marriage and family; this phase of Russia's demographics has just started in earnest 1-2 years ago. In 5 years, this group will be the one that's doing the majority of that work, and they'll be yielding fewer kids then the previous group; it's inevitable.

    In reality this is something of a simplification as even over the range of just 1985-1991 there was already a sharp decline being witnessed in children being born. But you get the picture.

    We'll just have to last it out, another 10-15 years or so until we're back into solid territory. However economical and social improvements would mean that people will be enticed to have more children then before; so possibly we can keep birth numbers from declining significantly even though we have less people giving birth. In the meantime, we can make up the balance by continuing to work on death-rates (murder per capita, deaths from car accidents and some other things are still high in Russia by global standards), investing further into medical technologies and the health-care system, and of course encouraging immigration from countries like the Ukraine.
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    Re: Russian population

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Aug 29, 2017 1:47 am

    ...However economical and social improvements would mean that people will be enticed to have more children then before; so possibly we can keep birth numbers from declining significantly even though we have less people giving birth. In the meantime, we can make up the balance by continuing to work on death-rates (murder per capita, deaths from car accidents and some other things are still high in Russia by global standards), investing further into medical technologies and the health-care system, and of course encouraging immigration from countries like the Ukraine.

    You just laid out solution right here.

    It's pretty simple actually. Build and upgrade schools and kindergartens​, invest in prenatal care and medicine, provide parental benefits for parents and maternity leaves, etc....

    It's lots of small things that gradually add up and deliver results. Good news is that Russia is already doing many of these things, they just need to keep at it.
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    Re: Russian population

    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Aug 29, 2017 2:16 am

    Python, you live in St.Petersburg, right? How is the climate there? Do you see a lot of young families there?
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    Re: Russian population

    Post  flamming_python on Tue Aug 29, 2017 2:43 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Python, you live in St.Petersburg, right?  How is the climate there?  Do you see a lot of young families there?

    If by climate you mean the weather then it's pretty shit. Had an extra-long winter this year and a very short summer, with very liberal helpings of rain.

    However I do see plenty of young families around. Of course such an observation, without backing statistics, means little.
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    Re: Russian population

    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:31 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:Python, you live in St.Petersburg, right?  How is the climate there?  Do you see a lot of young families there?

    If by climate you mean the weather then it's pretty shit. Had an extra-long winter this year and a very short summer, with very liberal helpings of rain.

    However I do see plenty of young families around. Of course such an observation, without backing statistics, means little.

    Well, I was going to say overall climate as in: Work, young families, environment, general activities within a city for entertainment, etc.

    I can tell you, I am not the least surprised about the situation regarding the actual weather. You are pretty far north. And here, our weather is pretty odd too. We had an all too warm summer here, even if it is short. With cold nights. Which made it pretty crap for gardening purposes - growing anything other than wheat.
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    Re: Russian population

    Post  Kimppis on Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:24 pm

    Anatoly Karlin: Russian Demographics in 2018

    - There were about 1,689,884 (11.5/1,000) births in 2017, a decline of 10.7% relative to the 1,893,256 (12.9/1,000) births in 2016

    - There were about 1,824,340 (12.4/1,000) deaths in 2017, a decline of 3.4% relative to the 1,887,913 (12.9/1,000) deaths in 2016

    - Consequently, the rate of natural increase declined from 5,343 (0.0/1,000) in 2016, to -134,456 (-0.9/1,000) in 2017

    - The population was estimated at 146,877,088 as of Jan 1, 2018, up from 146,838,993 exactly one year ago. This implies about 172,551 long-term net immigration (wait... shouldn't be slightly higher? Oh well, whatever...)

    - Russian fertility fell off a cliff in the second half of 2016, though there are tentative signs that it may have bottomed out in recent months

    - Consequently, I calculate Russian TFR was ~1.61 children per woman in 2017, down from 1.76 in 2016

    - First, whereas Russia was doing significantly better than most of the rest of Eastern Europe (see the map right), and showed tentative signs of breaking out into the high-fertility category of European countries (e.g. Scandinavia, France, the British Isles), this has now been postponed – possibly indefinitely

    - Curiously, this seems to be a global pattern: American TFR fell from 1.84 in 2015 and 1.82 in 2016, to approximately 1.77. Births fell by 8% in the Ukraine this year, so its TFR will decline from 1.47 in 2016 to around 1.40 in 2017. Births fell by 6% in Latvia and 3% in Estonia. Norway 1.71 to 1.62, Sweden 1.85 to 1.78, Finland 1.57 to 1.49, etc., etc

    - Abortion in Russia continues to decline to normal country levels. This is still about 2-3x higher than in most of Western Europe and the US, but Russia is longer the absolute outlier it once was

    - Based on the decrease in mortality, I calculate that life expectancy was ~72.9 years in 2017

    - Russia’s average life expectancy of close to 73 years is equivalent to Poland in 1998 (which as of this year has pretty much converged with the US), Estonia and Hungary in 2005, Latvia and Lithuania in 2010

    - Neither is Russia any longer outlier in terms of “deaths from vices”. Poland (18/100,000) and especially Lithuania (24/100,000) have more suicides than Russia (16/100,000). Homicide rates are at 6.0/100,000, having almost converged with America’s 5.3/100,000 in 2016.

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    I would expect births to rise by around 5% in 2018 as marriages fell 15% in 2016 to a 12 year low which led to a 11% fall in births in 2017, marriages rose by 7.5% in 2017, which should translate to a 5% rise in births as Russia is still a nation where a majority of births occur within wedlock.
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    Re: Russian population

    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:48 pm

    I find it impossible to calculate potentials for years to come of birthday vs deaths.

    Already, Russia's population vs what it was traditionally is higher by around ~40M people compared to 1900. Issue is that it's still growing with some years positive growth by Nationals increasing g sometimes not, but majority of growth is migrants. Be it's Russian ethnics from other former Soviet nations going back home, or the Stan nations people migrating. Not good that it's a large part of the Stan nations migrating to Russia.

    Also, the growth should be massive as Russia took in about 2 - 4 million Ukrainian migrants since 2014 but the issue here is they are not Russian citizens. So they don't count as per the migration numbers just yet. I don't know if it's a good thing or not to keep them seeing as many of these Ukrainians are becoming a real problem in Russia too.
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    Re: Russian population

    Post  AlfaT8 on Thu May 31, 2018 2:52 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:True, but they are the ones who elected these fools, so they aren't completely free of guilt

    easiest is to bribe or ridicule (AfG in Germany or Le Pen in France) , then threaten then to discredit and if doesn't work ... then "accident"...(Lepper in Polend)

    Accidents go both ways.

    France is I believe above. Russia is a bit less  (1,75) but with right policy can got close to replacement level. This is cool but not enough. That's why clever immigration - and working process of integration with culture , society. In short working Leitkultur

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leitkultur

    Nope, from what i hear you need a fertility rate of 2, France's latest number is 1.88, and Russia is currently at 1.62.

    I'll put this in simplest way possible, you need the Carrot and you need the Stick.
    Right now the women have Carrots, but they don't have the Stick.
    The Draft would make a very good Stick.

    If there is no dependence on men, than there is no need for children, this is what we are seen across the board.
    Yes, and the only way to "convince" them is to create a situation where making kids is necessary.

    we clearly disagree about it. I dont believe that women si the only one who dont want to have kids. There is to me simple the question of mindset.
    Current western "freedom" fighting with tradition, patriotism, religion and at the end family touches same men and women to me.  Personally we might not care but statesmen have to think strategies to help people to have more kids.

    How can this "mindset" be made, without the conditions to create it?
    Yes, and the best way the statesmen can do that is to give both parties, the Carrot and the Stick.


    Good one, you got me there.
    Ok, but it won't change the fact, although there is also the belief that their patriarchal culture is leading to high birth rates.

    I believe it isnit so much about patriarchal culture but high infant mortality, no social security, family ties, multi generations families. Kids are investment- more kids more help when i get old and weak...
    it is still about so called civilizations' conditioning.

    Yea, and they become dependent on the men, aka: Patriarchal.
    It works.

    But they're still getting Drafted, and no doubt the pregnancy loophole is there.
    Actually now that i think about, you could improve child care services, to make it so that she could still be eligible to be drafted after the child is 3yrs old or so, pressuring her to have more kids.

    not sure if you have heard of concept of woman/man wanting kids not as escape from conscription? or material problems?!  What a Face  What a Face  What a Face  Imagine some people have kids because they want to
    thumbsup  thumbsup  thumbsup

    You want the birth rates up or what?? scratch

    The other problem is abortion...

    The number of abortions according to Rosstat data in 1990-2017, thousand [12] :

    1990 1991 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999
    4103.4 3608.4 3436.7 3244,0 3060.2 2766,4 2652.0 2498.7 2346.1 2181.2
    2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009
    2138.8 2014.7 1944.5 1864.6 1797.6 1675.7 1582.4 1479.0 1385.6 1292,389
    2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017
    1186,108 1124,880 1063,982 1012,399 930.0 [14] 848.0 [14] 836.6 600.0


    1,900,000 kids born with 600,000 abortions...30% Sad Sad Sad
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Аборты_в_России

    I thought abortion was strictly regulated in Russia, the hell is the Kremlin doing?

    And replicating the mindset of post-WW2 ain't gonna happen.
    no because reality is different and environment too. Everything evolve. Fittest survive you need to stay one Smile

    The Darwinian method is what they use in the 3rd world hellscapes, but you need to apply it to both parties.
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    Re: Russian population

    Post  Nibiru on Thu May 31, 2018 4:14 am


    With the exception of the Serbs in this forum (and everyone who actually lived in places with significant Muslim population), It seems alot of the people commenting here are underestimating the threat Islam poses to non-muslim countries, Yes not all Muslims are bad, However, consider this, If Chechens, Dagestanis, etc are Buddhists, will Russia have Islamic terrorism? Look at China, Thailand, Philippines, India, what do these countries have in common? Islamic Terrorism because of significant muslim population. This dangerous ideology needs more aggressive methods to eradicate it imo. But in a world with lots of ridiculous political correctness, it could be difficult, but despite the situation, efforts to curb Islam still needs to be carried out. in the case of Russia, they need a long term plan for Christianization (Russian orthodox church) of their Islamic areas. there is No other alternative to this, cause even the most so-called moderate Muslim can turn to radicalism, its in their scriptures, unless writings in the Koran is "changed", Muslims will always find reasons to carry out Jihad. Most of you people here are smart enough to know this!
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    Re: Russian population

    Post  AlfaT8 on Thu May 31, 2018 5:19 am

    Nibiru wrote:
    With the exception of the Serbs in this forum (and everyone who actually lived in places with significant Muslim population), It seems alot of the people commenting here are underestimating the threat Islam poses to non-muslim countries, Yes not all Muslims are bad, However, consider this, If Chechens, Dagestanis, etc are Buddhists, will Russia have Islamic terrorism? Look at China, Thailand, Philippines, India, what do these countries have in common? Islamic Terrorism because of significant muslim population. This dangerous ideology needs more aggressive methods to eradicate it imo. But in a world with lots of ridiculous political correctness, it could be difficult, but despite the situation, efforts to curb Islam still needs to be carried out. in the case of Russia, they need a long term plan for Christianization (Russian orthodox church) of their Islamic areas. there is No other alternative to this, cause even the most so-called moderate Muslim can turn to radicalism, its in their scriptures, unless writings in the Koran is "changed", Muslims will always find reasons to carry out Jihad. Most of you people here are smart enough to know this!

    Yes, yes, we are all well aware of the realities of the Islamic faith.
    And Russia has been on the path of Re-Christianization since at least the rise of Putin, although some would say since the collapse of the USSR, but the chaos after the Collapse makes that very hard to measure.

    As for the Muslim issue in Russia, i think the Chechen wars made it clear that Russia is not Western Europe.
    There is also the possibility of Russia making it's own Islamic flavor, like the Sunnis, Shias, Kurds and Turks, for example: the Slavics, might have better long term effects, but always keep the door open for Converts.

    And of course strict Russian law and order.
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    Re: Russian population

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Jun 01, 2018 5:57 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    As for the Muslim issue in Russia, i think the Chechen wars made it clear that Russia is not Western Europe.
    There is also the possibility of Russia making it's own Islamic flavor, like the Sunnis, Shias, Kurds and Turks, for example: the Slavics, might have better long term effects, but always keep the door open for Converts.

    And of course strict Russian law and order.

    +1
    I'd say  chase all extremisms. You can help Orthodox Christians with developing but cannot force people to faith. Not sure if you feel the difference... Not all Slavs are so fine (there are liberasts, banderlogs, traitors, fiscal criminals, petty pro western criminals, creative intelligentsia ;-).



    "Feel safe": how Syrian Christians live in Moscow

    https://ria.ru/religion/20180601/1521824968.html





    Arab invasion in Moscow Razz Razz Razz
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    Re: Russian population

    Post  AlfaT8 on Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:30 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:
    As for the Muslim issue in Russia, i think the Chechen wars made it clear that Russia is not Western Europe.
    There is also the possibility of Russia making it's own Islamic flavor, like the Sunnis, Shias, Kurds and Turks, for example: the Slavics, might have better long term effects, but always keep the door open for Converts.

    And of course strict Russian law and order.

    +1
    I'd say  chase all extremisms. You can help Orthodox Christians with developing but cannot force people to faith. Not sure if you feel the difference... Not all Slavs are so fine (there are liberasts, banderlogs, traitors, fiscal criminals, petty pro western criminals, creative intelligentsia ;-).



    "Feel safe": how Syrian Christians live in Moscow


    https://ria.ru/religion/20180601/1521824968.html


    Arab invasion in Moscow Razz Razz Razz

    I say keep the door open to converts and smash the ultra Muslims (extremist), and enforce Russian law.
    I don't recall writing anything about forced conversion?

    So long as they're not following the Islamic text, its all good.

    Now the the Russians just need to pressure their women and the birth rate should go up.

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    Re: Russian population

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Jun 02, 2018 12:39 am

    AlfaT8 wrote: Now the the Russians just need to pressure their women and the birth rate should go up.


    you're an oppressive type you know ? lol1 lol1 lol1

    And seriously trust me - letyoung families feel safe, have longer outlook and no bailif kicking out or apartment and children will b born.
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    Re: Russian population

    Post  AlfaT8 on Sat Jun 02, 2018 5:32 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote: Now the the Russians just need to pressure their women and the birth rate should go up.


    you're an oppressive type you know ? lol1 lol1 lol1

    And seriously trust me - letyoung families feel safe, have longer outlook and no bailif kicking out or apartment and children will b born.

    Without a dependence on a man, or being placed in a situation where they'll have to have kids, they wont make 'em.
    That's what we are observing everywhere that is "safe".
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    Re: Russian population

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Jun 02, 2018 5:41 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:....
    Without a dependence on a man, or being placed in a situation where they'll have to have kids, they wont make 'em.
    .....


    Yeah... lol

    Let me guess: you don't have female relatives and don't socialize with women too much?
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    Re: Russian population

    Post  AlfaT8 on Sat Jun 02, 2018 6:21 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:....
    Without a dependence on a man, or being placed in a situation where they'll have to have kids, they wont make 'em.
    .....


    Yeah... lol

    Let me guess: you don't have female relatives and don't socialize with women too much?

    Yea, attack the messenger, because that suppose to make the message irrelevant, right?

    Most of the women in the family go through the same sh#t, go for the bad boy, then drop 'em like hot uranium once the kid is born.
    And my die-hard catholic grandma and Aunts all tell me categorically, not to get married, because they know the girl's just gonna use me and drop me as soon as she gets what she wants.
    The only relationships i have seen held long term and make more than 1 kid, are those out of necessity (aka: dependency on the man).

    And this is a place without much welfare, that's why the situation in those countries with lots of welfare, is gonna be very bad for birth rates.
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    Re: Russian population

    Post  Hole on Sat Jun 02, 2018 11:23 am

    One important point: this extremists are not muslims, they are wahabis/salafists. Even sunni clerics don´t accept this as part of their believe. Every muslim who falls into this wahabi trap has lost his real faith.

    Like this "christian" in Amiland who begs for money from his followers so he can buy himself a new private jet. He is no Christian.
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    Re: Russian population

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Jun 02, 2018 12:08 pm

    first on topic lol1 lol1 lol1

    https://tsargrad.tv/articles/skolko-detej-u-rossii_136339

    In short - 1) attitude 2) attitude 3) state social support (so if you want to have kids you dont get dangling from a scary financial precipice)

    Kids are not luxury, kids are love future and brutally speaking - investment...


    How many children for Russia


    oday, on International Children's Day, Tsargrad collected demographic statistics of recent years in various areas - from fertility and state support of motherhood to the dynamics of abortions in Russia. The conclusions are disappointing

    The problems of Russian demography have been discussed for a long time. And one of the most acute and discussed her problems is the birth rate.

    For about 20 years, Russia has tried to defeat the so-called "Russian cross", describing the situation that developed in the 1990s, when the death rate first exceeded the birth rate. The gap was maximum at the beginning of zero, and only in 2013 the birth rate for the first time in a long time exceeded mortality. Now the birth rate again decreases, and estimates of its dynamics are disappointing.

    So, according to Rosstat's forecasts, by 2030 one woman will have a conditional 1.5 children - this is in the worst case, at best - 1.99. What does it mean? The population will continue to decline. Since, according to experts, for simple reproduction of the population, about 2.15 conditional children per woman are needed.

    We are dying out. This is due to the low total fertility rate, that is, the conditional number of children per woman capable of childbearing. Today, we have this figure of 1.6, but mathematically, to have at least a simple reproduction, you need 2.15, and taking into account our deformed demography, you need 2.4 conditional children, "
    - said the chairman of the supervisory board of the Institute of Demography, Migration and Regional Development Yuri Krupnov.



    Salvation of the Russian family - in large families and financial support children



    Thus, little children, alas, is a worldwide trend. However, in Russia a different problem is imposed on the general trend: low material security of families. According to Yuri Krupnov, the two main factors of our demographic problem are global geocultural scrapping and the catastrophic underfunding of the family. Therefore, it is necessary to raise the standard of living, raise parental salaries, increase benefits and various payments to large families.

    From the already existing measures of state support for the family, the expert emphasized mother (family) capital:

    This is absolutely Russian innovation. She made a very serious contribution to the growth in the number of births in previous years - about 10-15%. This is a fantastic figure. And we need to continue to strengthen and increase maternity capital and begin translating it for the third and subsequent children. All other measures are rather crafty and ineffective. "







    Hole wrote:One important point: this extremists are not muslims, they are wahabis/salafists. Even sunni clerics don´t accept this as part of their believe. Every muslim who falls into this wahabi trap has lost his real faith.

    +1000

    Like this "christian" in Amiland who begs for money from his followers so he can buy himself a new private jet. He is no Christian.
    so you critic "the only and exclusive way of Amis" ? I sense Ossi  Suspect Suspect Suspect
    BTW I love Us clerics calling  for war and killing  true US way



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    Re: Russian population

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Jun 02, 2018 12:20 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote: And my die-hard catholic grandma and Aunts all tell me categorically, not to get married, because they know the girl's just gonna use me and drop me as soon as she gets what she wants.
    The only relationships i have seen held long term and make more than 1 kid, are those out of necessity (aka: dependency on the man).

    We clearly disagree on this topic. In private I'l tell you : there are many "kids haters" but both sexes, this is an attitude not financial issue. If you want to have kids you need ti find a woman who likes to have ones. Trust me it works - you just need to ask if she does (or doesn't). I am the best and working example thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup



    BTW so they are dependent on hubbies? or how would you explain this?

    http://fortune.com/2015/06/06/women-with-big-jobs-and-big-families-balancing-really-isnt-that-hard/

    Susan Wojcicki, CEO of YouTube, had her fifth child this winter. Helena Morrissey, CEO of Newton Investment Management company in the UK, has nine children. Karen Finerman, CEO of Metropolitan Capital Advisors and a panelist on CNBC’s Fast Money, manages her two sets of twins in addition to her other responsibilities.
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    Re: Russian population

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Jun 02, 2018 4:13 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:......
    And my die-hard catholic grandma and Aunts all tell me categorically, not to get married, because they know the girl's just gonna use me and drop me as soon as she gets what she wants.
    .......

    My advice: you should move out and get your own place

    It will be healthiest approach
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    Re: Russian population

    Post  AlfaT8 on Sat Jun 02, 2018 4:27 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote: And my die-hard catholic grandma and Aunts all tell me categorically, not to get married, because they know the girl's just gonna use me and drop me as soon as she gets what she wants.
    The only relationships i have seen held long term and make more than 1 kid, are those out of necessity (aka: dependency on the man).

    We clearly disagree on this topic. In private  I'l tell you : there are many "kids haters" but both sexes, this is an attitude not financial issue. If you want to have kids you need ti find a woman who likes to have  ones. Trust me it works - you just need to ask if she does (or doesn't). I am the best and working example  thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup

    Could be an attitude motivated by financial issue.
    That really depends where you live, if the women sees that getting rid of you is more beneficial for her, she has a high chance of doing it, but that depends on the welfare situation and divorce/family courts.
    Around here, even without marriage, once she has the kid she will dump the guy as soon as she finds some other person to help her, 90% of the time it's the girls own parents.

    BTW so they are dependent on hubbies? or how would you explain this?

    http://fortune.com/2015/06/06/women-with-big-jobs-and-big-families-balancing-really-isnt-that-hard/

    Susan Wojcicki, CEO of YouTube, had her fifth child this winter. Helena Morrissey, CEO of Newton Investment Management company in the UK, has nine children. Karen Finerman, CEO of Metropolitan Capital Advisors and a panelist on CNBC’s Fast Money, manages her two sets of twins in addition to her other responsibilities.

    Is this the "Whataboutism" i have been hearing about recently.
    Either way, the fertility rates across the developed 1st world have been dropping for some time now, measures need to be taken.
    So going on about women CEO's is nonsensical.
    Also that YT exec is flippin insane, having a kid in her 40's is very dangerous.
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    Re: Russian population

    Post  AlfaT8 on Sat Jun 02, 2018 4:32 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:......
    And my die-hard catholic grandma and Aunts all tell me categorically, not to get married, because they know the girl's just gonna use me and drop me as soon as she gets what she wants.
    .......

    My advice: you should move out and get your own place

    It will be healthiest approach

    Would love to, but because of migration around here, home prices have sky-rocketed.
    It's gonna take a decade or two to get a house.
    And don't get me stared with apartments and condos.

    Gonna go study for a few years soon, so i guess that can be seen as moving out.

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