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    Re: Mikoyan LMFS

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:38 pm

    Viktor wrote:Well, something is in the pipeline and thats for sure  thumbsup 

    RAC MiG boss eyes fifth-generation fighter


    The PAK-FA T-50 is about to be inducted soon, lets hope this means that he LFMS program is in the works.

    According to Paralay, originally this was supposed to be Mig's submitted design for the PAK-FA program, but I hope it's adopted (and tweeked) for the light (or low) fighter mix:








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    Re: Mikoyan LMFS

    Post  collegeboy16 on Fri Jun 06, 2014 11:01 am

    kinda like a smaller raptor with the nose flattened, cockpit extended and the intakes moved to the bottom.
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    Re: Mikoyan LMFS

    Post  Werewolf on Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:49 pm

    collegeboy16 wrote:kinda like a smaller raptor with the nose flattened, cockpit extended and the intakes moved to the bottom.

    Actually it is a Su-34 (front section) and T-50 mid/after section.
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    Re: Mikoyan LMFS

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Jun 06, 2014 7:26 pm

    To me Mig's Pak-Fa design looks like a mix between Su-34 (Nose cone), F-22 (general LO stealth shaping of the air-frame from the top view), and F-16 (Side view of cockpit, and air intakes that are on the center-bottom of the fuselage).
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    Re: Mikoyan LMFS

    Post  TR1 on Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:42 pm

    Viktor wrote:Well, something is in the pipeline and thats for sure  thumbsup 

    RAC MiG boss eyes fifth-generation fighter


    Correction, MiG would love to have something in the pipeline as far as a new jet is concerned.
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    Re: Mikoyan LMFS

    Post  Viktor on Fri Jun 06, 2014 10:38 pm

    TR1 wrote:Correction, MiG would love to have something in the pipeline as far as a new jet is concerned.

    Where there is a will, there is a way  Very Happy 
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    Re: Mikoyan LMFS

    Post  mack8 on Fri Jun 06, 2014 11:10 pm

    According to Paralay, originally this was supposed to be Mig's submitted design for the PAK-FA program, but I hope it's adopted (and tweeked) for the light (or low) fighter mix:

    I'm not sure if it was Paralay or Flateric who said it, but apparently the "Mikoyan PAK-FA" in those images is purely a student project, it had nothing to do with the OKB. It is absolutely hideous imo anyway.

    Reading through lines, it appears Mikoyan's real PAK-FA contender was a derivative of MFI, also canard but with side intakes, and presumably stealthified, features of which MIGHT have found their way in the Chengdu J-20, given the rumours of possible Mikoyan advice/involvement at one point or another in this project.
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    Re: Mikoyan LMFS

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:26 am

    mack8 wrote:
    According to Paralay, originally this was supposed to be Mig's submitted design for the PAK-FA program, but I hope it's adopted (and tweeked) for the light (or low) fighter mix:

    I'm not sure if it was Paralay or Flateric who said it, but apparently the "Mikoyan PAK-FA" in those images is purely a student project, it had nothing to do with the OKB. It is absolutely hideous imo anyway.

    Reading through lines, it appears Mikoyan's real PAK-FA contender was a derivative of MFI, also canard but with side intakes, and presumably stealthified, features of which MIGHT have found their way in the Chengdu J-20, given the rumours of possible Mikoyan advice/involvement at one point or another in this project.

    Actually MFI and PAK-FA are two completely different programs.
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    Re: Mikoyan LMFS

    Post  GarryB on Sat Jun 07, 2014 10:45 am

    Actually MFI and PAK-FA are two completely different programs.

    They were, but he didn't say they weren't. He said that MiG submitted to the PAK FA competition an aircraft design related to the design they submitted for the MFI competition.


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    Re: Mikoyan LMFS

    Post  George1 on Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:19 am

    Russia working on lightweight successor to MiG-35

    The Russian aircraft-manufacturing corporation MiG is considering the possibility of building a fifth-generation fighter. The new aircraft may be based on the MiG-35, and will be further enhanced by advanced avionics and weapons. According to MiG managing director Sergei Korotkov, the corporation's experts are already working on a concept for the new fighter. "I know that this is one of the ideas, one of the directions that the design bureau is working on. I very much hope that soon we shall develop this area of work more seriously," he said. Russian Air Force to induct a hundred MiG-35 fighters after 2016 Russian Air Force to induct a hundred MiG-35 fighters after 2016 Korotkov did not specify how much progress the corporation has made in its research and development, but said he considered the creation of a new combat aircraft "very likely,” saying that "the most important thing is to have an order for it." Korotkov rejected the suggestion that this project may provoke a conflict between MiG and Sukhoi, which is working on its own version of a fifth-generation plane, the PAK FA (Prospective Airborne Complex of Frontline Aviation). "These are two completely different aircraft, which will be performing different tasks," he said. The maximum take-off weight of the MiG-35 is 5 tons less than that of the PAK FA, so, Korotkov believes, it will be more effective in performing most of the proposed tasks. "We believe that the MiG-35 is a platform that may in future become the basis for a fifth-generation fighter," he said. The MiG corporation is now waiting for a Russian Defense Ministry contract for the supply of MiG-35s. All the relevant documents have been submitted to the ministry, Korotkov said, adding that he hoped the contract – he did not specify for how many aircraft - will be signed "before the end of this year.” The MiG-35 may also be sold abroad: There have been media reports suggesting that Egypt is thinking of buying 24 MiG-35s fitted with Klimov RD-33MK engines. However, Korotkov refused to comment on these rumors. In April, the MiG corporation won a contract from the Russian Defense Ministry for the supply of 16 additional MiG-29SMT fighters for the needs of the Russian Air Force.

    Source: Russia Beyond the Headlines - http://rbth.co.uk/news/2014/06/10/russia_working_on_lightweight_successor_to_mig-35_37341.html)

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    Re: Mikoyan LMFS

    Post  Austin on Mon Jun 30, 2014 12:43 pm

    flateric posted on secretproject , from the cover of recent UAC report possibly LMFS

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    Re: Mikoyan LMFS

    Post  Stealthflanker on Tue Jul 01, 2014 3:16 am

    Austin wrote:flateric posted on secretproject , from the cover of recent UAC report possibly LMFS


    looks interesting.

    though it seems somewhat it's an S-32 (concept of Su-47 berkut) But with diamond wings.
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    Re: Mikoyan LMFS

    Post  George1 on Tue Jul 01, 2014 3:53 am

    Stealthflanker wrote:
    Austin wrote:flateric posted on secretproject , from the cover of recent UAC report possibly LMFS


    looks interesting.

    though it seems somewhat it's an S-32 (concept of Su-47 berkut) But with diamond wings.

    it seems is a "small" PAK-FA like MiG-29 looks like a "small" Su-27
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    Russia working on lightweight successor to MIG-35.

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    Re: Mikoyan LMFS

    Post  Mike E on Mon Aug 11, 2014 12:06 am


    I'm not complaining but hasn't this been known for a while now? Unless this is different from the LMFS project.....
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    Re: Mikoyan LMFS

    Post  Mike E on Mon Aug 11, 2014 12:48 am

    Thanks for clearing that up!
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    Re: Mikoyan LMFS

    Post  Flyingdutchman on Mon Aug 11, 2014 10:30 am

    Sorry!
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    Re: Mikoyan LMFS

    Post  Viktor on Fri Jun 19, 2015 5:01 pm

    Nice thumbsup


    general director Sergei Korotkov
    Russian Aircraft Corporation (RSK) "MiG" is working on lightweight fighter of the fifth generation, but does not have the relevant order.

    RAC "MiG" is working on a lightweight fighter of the fifth generation
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    Re: Mikoyan LMFS

    Post  Book. on Sat Jun 20, 2015 4:49 am

    Viktor wrote:Nice  thumbsup


    general director Sergei Korotkov
    Russian Aircraft Corporation (RSK) "MiG" is working on lightweight fighter of the fifth generation, but does not have the relevant order.

    RAC "MiG" is working on a lightweight fighter of the fifth generation

    Mig 50. I like idea

    RD33 new 9,500 kgf. it ok
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    Re: Mikoyan LMFS

    Post  AlfaT8 on Sat Jun 20, 2015 5:36 am

    Viktor wrote:Nice  thumbsup


    general director Sergei Korotkov
    Russian Aircraft Corporation (RSK) "MiG" is working on lightweight fighter of the fifth generation, but does not have the relevant order.

    RAC "MiG" is working on a lightweight fighter of the fifth generation
    I haven't even heard of the relevant orders for MIG-35 and now this, is MIG getting desperate?

    Anyway, i predict this will go the way of the MIG-Skate. Neutral

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    Re: Mikoyan LMFS

    Post  Austin on Sat Jun 20, 2015 11:12 am

    I doubt LMFS will see the light of the day when there are so many new Airforce program with high priority name a few PAK-DA , Mig-41 , UCAV
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    Re: Mikoyan LMFS

    Post  GarryB on Sat Jun 20, 2015 11:19 am

    Personally I think a hybrid small cheap fighter would be a great idea.

    A small light low cost aircraft that can either carry a modest payload internally in a stealthy mode or carry large amounts of ordinance externally in a non stealthy bomb truck type role.

    Don't try to give it super long range sensors or super long range fire power... just make it small, light stealthy enough, and cheap to build and operate and maintain.

    And make about 400.


    The key will be low cost to buy and to use... for general patrol duties you don't need a PAK FA and having a small stealthy plane to operate with Su-35s and MiG-35s and MiG-41s will be useful...


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    Re: Mikoyan LMFS

    Post  EKS on Sat Jun 20, 2015 4:43 pm

    GarryB wrote:Personally I think a hybrid small cheap fighter would be a great idea.

    A small light low cost aircraft that can either carry a modest payload internally in a stealthy mode or carry large amounts of ordinance externally in a non stealthy bomb truck type role.

    Don't try to give it super long range sensors or super long range fire power... just make it small, light stealthy enough, and cheap to build and operate and maintain.

    And make about 400.


    The key will be low cost to buy and to use... for general patrol duties you don't need a PAK FA and having a small stealthy plane to operate with Su-35s and MiG-35s and MiG-41s will be useful...

    I agree. It´s not all about maximum quality in the sense of maximum preformance. The Pak fa will meet those demands. It´s also a numbers game. Just look at the positioning of the russian air bases, the ojects they need to defend, the role of the aircraft and the strategy. They need a new low cost workhorse, in the mig-29 role, suited up to meet tomorrows standards of threats. With todays budget it´s impossible to build a 500+ feet pak fa´s. But a 250+fleet pak fa´s and a 250+ 5-gen light fighter in the middle term (10/15 years) is feesible i guess.
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    Re: Mikoyan LMFS

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Jun 20, 2015 8:15 pm

    Russia’s MiG to Develop Fifth-Generation Jet Fighter

    http://sputniknews.com/military/20150620/1023632156.html

    The MiG-35 4++ generation advanced multirole fighter could be used as a platform for building the new fifth-generation aircraft.

    MiG aircraft-making company will develop a fifth-generation light jet fighter, company CEO Sergei Korotkov said during the 2015 Le Bourget Airshow.

    "Such a plane has not been ordered yet. But we continue to work on it. We know that there is a broad worldwide market for this type of aircraft," Korotkov said.

    He also pointed out that currently many countries across the globe use the MiG-29 aircraft, and they need a plane to replace it.

    The MiG-35 4++ generation advanced multirole fighter could be used as a platform for building the fifth-generation aircraft. Mass production of the MiG-35 has repeatedly been delayed, including due to the absence of buyers.

    However, in April Russian Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov said the Russian arms procurement program presumes delivering 30 MiG-35 aircraft to the Air Force by 2020.

    Another fifth-generation jet fighter for the Russian Air Force – T-50 (PAK FA) – is already in development. It is planned to be an attack aircraft. Currently, three prototypes are undergoing flight tests. Three more planes will be delivered for testing by the end of the year. The first T-50 aircraft are planned to be delivered to the Air Force from between the end of 2016 and the beginning of 2017.


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    Re: Mikoyan LMFS

    Post  GJ Flanker on Sat Jun 20, 2015 9:44 pm

    Russia needs new combat aircraft, the more the better. The new situation dictates the dynamics of development of brand new Russian gear. A decision to modernize all T-90A to T-90M standard is a sign ain that direction. Mikoyan must come with something brand new. Sukhoi has already many delivery projects. I don't think a new MiG would be inferior comparing with T-50 and if we also get a MiG-41 than the picture will be complete.

    It is possible that this new MiG will top anything else out there in the world, even T-50 and F-22A. By logic, it will be a much younger project than all others. New solutions would be built in from the very start, like GaN AESA, X-core 16 nm processors and other things.

    I think the main aim is to bring Mikoyan to Sukhoi revenue level.

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