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    Spanish Civil War

    Post  fredleander on Tue Jul 26, 2011 1:48 pm

    Hi, does anybody know of any Russian/Soviet English-languaged books on the assistance given by the Soviet Union to the warring parties in Spain during the Civil War?

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    Post  NationalRus on Tue Jul 26, 2011 3:14 pm

    don't know any russian/english languaged books but ther are some books on the soviet involvment, this one is specific abut the soviet and communist role in the war might try it out

    http://books.google.com/books/about/The_Spanish_Civil_War_the_Soviet_Union_a.html?id=xAolA_AgCG4C

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    Post  fredleander on Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:27 pm

    NationalRus wrote:don't know any russian/english languaged books but ther are some books on the soviet involvment, this one is specific abut the soviet and communist role in the war might try it out

    Thank you!

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    Post  George1 on Thu Oct 30, 2014 4:24 pm

    The Red Army played a crucial role in the Spanish Civil War, supplying over 1,000 aircraft, 900 tanks, 1,500 artillery pieces, 300 armored cars, hundreds of thousands of small arms and 30,000 tons of ammunition to the Republican cause.

    Soviet participation in the Spanish Civil War was greatly influenced by the growing tension between Stalin and Adolf Hitler, the leader of Nazi Germany and an avid supporter of the fascist forces of Francisco Franco. Nazi-Soviet relations were tempered by Hitler's personal hatred of the people of East Europe and by the longstanding ideological feud between fascism and communism.


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    Post  Aristonicus on Sat Mar 12, 2016 1:28 pm

    More up to date figures:

    "... the Soviet Union sent to the Spanish Government 806 military
    aircraft, mainly fighters, 362 tanks, 120 armoured cars, 1,555
    artillery pieces, about 500,000 rifles, 340 grenade launchers, 15,113
    machine-guns, more than 110,000 aerial bombs, about 3.4 million
    rounds of ammunition, 500,000 grenades, 862 million cartridges, 1,500
    tons of gunpowder, torpedo boats, air defence searchlight
    installations, motor vehicles, radio stations, torpedoes and fuel".

    ('International Solidarity'; op.cit.; p.329-30).

    and under the new Soviet policy,

    "... a little more than 2,000 Soviet volunteers fought and worked in
    Spain on the side of the Republic throughout the whole war, including
    772 airmen, 351 tank men, 222 army advisers and instructors, 77 naval
    specialists, 100 artillery specialists, 52 other specialists, 130
    aircraft factory workers and engineers, 156 radio operators and other
    signals men, and 204 interpreters".

    ('International Solidarity': op.cit.; p.328).

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    Post  fredleander on Sat Mar 12, 2016 1:38 pm

    Aristonicus wrote:More up to date figures:

    "... the Soviet Union sent to the Spanish Government 806 military
    aircraft, mainly fighters, 362 tanks, 120 armoured cars, 1,555
    artillery pieces, about 500,000 rifles, 340 grenade launchers, 15,113
    machine-guns, more than 110,000 aerial bombs, about 3.4 million
    rounds of ammunition, 500,000 grenades, 862 million cartridges, 1,500
    tons of gunpowder, torpedo boats, air defence searchlight
    installations, motor vehicles, radio stations, torpedoes and fuel".

    ('International Solidarity'; op.cit.; p.329-30).

    and under the new Soviet policy,

    "... a little more than 2,000 Soviet volunteers fought and worked in
    Spain on the side of the Republic throughout the whole war, including
    772 airmen, 351 tank men, 222 army advisers and instructors, 77 naval
    specialists, 100 artillery specialists, 52 other specialists, 130
    aircraft factory workers and engineers, 156 radio operators and other
    signals men, and 204 interpreters".

    ('International Solidarity': op.cit.; p.328).

    They did get paid for the materiel, didn't they...?

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    Post  Aristonicus on Sun Mar 13, 2016 12:44 pm

    They did get paid for the materiel, didn't they...?

    Fred

    Yes, in gold. See Arms for Spain: The Untold Story of the Spanish Civil War, By Gerald Howson, John Murray, 1998,

    The Spanish gold reserves worth $518 million (1936 value) were sent to the Soviet Union for safekeeping - most of it was used for arms purchases. Howson calculates that Stalin defrauded the Republic by at least $51 million. Some of the armaments the USSR supplied were top of the line stuff, and some was not - e.g. seemingly whatever foreign made artillery the Red Army had in its' storage depots.

    That being said, the Republic was defrauded by most of the gun runners they tried to use. The French didn't exactly supply much up to date equipment either. The Poles generously sold them perhaps 50 FT-17 tanks of which only 5 were in running condition. etc

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    Post  Aristonicus on Sun Mar 13, 2016 12:59 pm

    To elaborate further on the above figures:

    Tanks: 331

    T-26 x 281 (received)

    BT-5 x 50

    (n.b. 16 x T-26 sunk with the Komsomol 14.12.36, 25 that failed to ship in 1937 and 40 that were shipped to France and freighted to Barcelona but were immediately returned in 1939 are not included)

    Armoured Cars: 60

    FA-I x 20

    BA-3 x 3

    BA-6 x 37

    Aircraft

    Polikarpov I-15 x 122
    Polikarpov I-152 x 99
    Polikarpov I-16 type 5 & 6 x 155
    Polikarpov I-16 type 10 x 91-3
    Polikarpov R-5 x 33
    Polikarpov R-Z x 93
    Tupolev SB-2 x 93

    Ships

    G-5 Type MTB x 4

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    Post  fredleander on Sun Mar 13, 2016 1:59 pm

    Tks for all the info. Much the same equipment they supplied the Chinese with, then. Which of the two books you mention do you find gives the best information?

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia on Mon Mar 14, 2016 11:23 pm

    You are thanking them way too early.


    Probably the best source of information on the Internet about the Soviet aid to the Republican Spain you can find here:

    http://www.gutenberg-e.org/kod01/frames/fkodimg.html



    I am surprised nobody has listed this link yet.


    Poland was the second largest supplier of armaments to the Spanish Republic during the Civil War (after Soviet Union), despite the fact that Poland officially supported only the Franco rebels.

    http://www.dws.org.pl/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=125868&st=0&sk=t&sd=a


    Poland dispatched its shipments by sea from its own port of Gdynia, and the nearby Free City of Gdansk. Could the shipments from the latter port been pilfered and/or sabotaged by the local Germans? After all the Chinese pilfered the Soviet shipments to Vietnam during the Vietnam wars, so I think that was possible.


    As for the Soviets keeping their gold, vast majority of it was plundered in the New World.

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    Post  Aristonicus on Wed Mar 16, 2016 2:04 pm

    Hi Odin,

    Thanks for those links. I had the link to Kowalsky's book years ago but lost it.

    I have found this a good site for that information as well, in Spanish.

    Main page:
    http://www.sbhac.net/Memoria.htm


    Weapons, aircraft, ships and equipment of the Armed Forces of the Republic

    http://www.sbhac.net/Republica/Fuerzas/Armas/Armas.htm

    For example there is an interesting article here: The Mortera-Salas polemic against Howson.
    http://www.sbhac.net/Republica/Fuerzas/Armas/Polemica/Polemica.htm

    and more. n.b. a lot of the text and images are copy protected.

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    Post  fredleander on Wed Mar 16, 2016 4:29 pm

    Great links, Odin - tks for posting.

    Fred

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