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    Post  JohninMK on Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:19 pm

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    Post  dino00 on Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:15 am

    Source: Russian air base in Armenia will be re-equipped on Su-30SM

    It is planned to deliver 18 cars in total.


    The re-equipment of the Su-30SM airbase is scheduled to begin next year. Airplanes will be delivered in two stages - in 2020–2021. It is planned to replace all 18 MiG-29s with the Su-30SM air base pilots, - Said the source agency.

    According to him, the aircraft fleet is planned to be updated in two stages, in order not to stop the implementation of the tasks by the air base, as the flight crew will have to undergo a retraining program for the new car. “When the planes start arriving, part of the flight crews will be sent to retraining at the Lipetsk aviation center, and some
    will continue to serve at the Erebuni airbase,” the source said.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6364084
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    Post  AMCXXL on Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:34 am

    dino00 wrote:Source: Russian air base in Armenia will be re-equipped on Su-30SM

    It is planned to deliver 18 cars in total.


    The re-equipment of the Su-30SM airbase is scheduled to begin next year. Airplanes will be delivered in two stages - in 2020–2021. It is planned to replace all 18 MiG-29s with the Su-30SM air base pilots, - Said the source agency.

    According to him, the aircraft fleet is planned to be updated in two stages, in order not to stop the implementation of the tasks by the air base, as the flight crew will have to undergo a retraining program for the new car. “When the planes start arriving, part of the flight crews will be sent to retraining at the Lipetsk aviation center, and some
    will continue to serve at the Erebuni airbase,” the source said.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6364084


    Completely logical
    Thus, the total substitution of the MiG-29 by Su-30SM in the VKS will be complete (except in the Kubinka acrobatics team that will have MiG-35)

    This raises the amount of Su-30SM needed to about 130 in the VKS, plus about another hundred for the Navy
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    Post  Isos on Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:28 am


    This raises the amount of Su-30SM needed to about 130 in the VKS, plus about another hundred for the Navy

    It also raises some questions like does mig-29/35 has any future in russia and if yes who will fly them since mig-29 pilots are converted to sukhois.
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    Post  George1 on Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:08 pm

    Isos wrote:

    This raises the amount of Su-30SM needed to about 130 in the VKS, plus about another hundred for the Navy

    It also raises some questions like does mig-29/35 has any future in russia and if yes who will fly them since mig-29 pilots are converted to sukhois.

    Exactly. It seems that Russian Air Force preders Su-30SM in multi-role role than a light/medium fighter like MiG-35
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:53 am

    Once they have started proper production of the MiG-35 then we will see what they actually want... remember figures released regarding performance of the F-35 and Su-35 and MiG-35 don't show an enormous gap in capability between the two Russian types...

    I personally find it amusing to see the people state the MiGs are smaller and lighter and therefore not as useful as the bigger Sukhois, yet when it comes to aircraft carriers the reverse seems to be their mantra...

    Not every ship in the Russian Navy needs to be a 20K ton cruiser or 40-50 ton multi hulled carrier, but just as logical not every Russian fighter needs extreme flight range and enormous size.

    Might come as a shock to some but having 3,000km radius fighters can lead to fewer airbases placed further apart which results in poor coverage because Flankers are not twice as fast as Fulcrums so they might be able to fly over twice the distance they wont actually be able to protect twice the area...
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    Post  dino00 on Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:37 pm

    A new version of the Su-30SM fighter is being created in Russia

    The upgraded Su-30SMD will receive a modern engine from the Su-35

    Moscow. July 13. INTERFAX - A new modification of the multi-purpose Su-30SM fighter is being developed in Russia, a source in the aviation industry told Interfax.
          "The Sukhoi OKB has started development work (OCD) to create a modernized fighter under the code Su-30SMD. This modification will receive the most modern engine AL-41F-1C (product 117C), which is now installed on production Su-35 aircraft", - said the agency interlocutor.
          According to him, these works are carried out jointly with the Irkut Corporation, which mass-produced Su-30SM fighters.
          “The test flights of the Su-30SMD with the new engine should take place in 2020. According to the results of the implementation of the RCD, accordingly, a decision will be made whether to equip all combat fighters of this type with this engine,” the agency source said.

    https://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=512637&lang=RU

    Russia will have 3 great suckhoi.
    The AL-41F-1C should get cheaper.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Sat Jul 13, 2019 2:01 pm

    dino00 wrote:A new version of the Su-30SM fighter is being created in Russia

    The upgraded Su-30SMD will receive a modern engine from the Su-35

    Moscow. July 13. INTERFAX - A new modification of the multi-purpose Su-30SM fighter is being developed in Russia, a source in the aviation industry told Interfax.
          "The Sukhoi OKB has started development work (OCD) to create a modernized fighter under the code Su-30SMD. This modification will receive the most modern engine AL-41F-1C (product 117C), which is now installed on production Su-35 aircraft", - said the agency interlocutor.
          According to him, these works are carried out jointly with the Irkut Corporation, which mass-produced Su-30SM fighters.
          “The test flights of the Su-30SMD with the new engine should take place in 2020. According to the results of the implementation of the RCD, accordingly, a decision will be made whether to equip all combat fighters of this type with this engine,” the agency source said.

    https://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=512637&lang=RU

    Russia will have 3 great suckhoi.
    The AL-41F-1C should get cheaper.
    It reminds me of the "super" Sukhoi modernisation proposed for the indian Su-30 MKI
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    Post  william.boutros on Sat Jul 13, 2019 3:12 pm

    [quote="Rodion_Romanovic"]
    dino00 wrote:A new version of the Su-30SM fighter is being created in Russia

    The upgraded Su-30SMD will receive a modern engine from the Su-35

    Moscow. July 13. INTERFAX - A new modification of the multi-purpose Su-30SM fighter is being developed in Russia, a source in the aviation industry told Interfax.
          "The Sukhoi OKB has started development work (OCD) to create a modernized fighter under the code Su-30SMD. This modification will receive the most modern engine AL-41F-1C (product 117C), which is now installed on production Su-35 aircraft", - said the agency interlocutor.
          According to him, these works are carried out jointly with the Irkut Corporation, which mass-produced Su-30SM fighters.
          “The test flights of the Su-30SMD with the new engine should take place in 2020. According to the results of the implementation of the RCD, accordingly, a decision will be made whether to equip all combat fighters of this type with this engine,” the agency source said.

    https://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=512637&lang=RU

    Russia will have 3 great suckhoi.
    The AL-41F-1C should get cheaper.

    Why don't they participate in Su-35 production instead of Su30 SM upgrade instead of producing new Su30 SM for the Russian aviation?
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Jul 13, 2019 3:46 pm

    william.boutros wrote:

    Why don't they participate in Su-35 production instead of Su30 SM upgrade instead of producing new Su30 SM for the Russian aviation?
    [/quote]

    it is cheaper to get the same result




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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Jul 13, 2019 3:48 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    I personally find it amusing to see the people state the MiGs are smaller and lighter and therefore not as useful as the bigger Sukhois, yet when it comes to aircraft carriers the reverse seems to be their mantra...

    Not every ship in the Russian Navy needs to be a 20K ton cruiser or 40-50 ton multi hulled carrier, but just as logical not every Russian fighter needs extreme flight range and enormous size.

    Might come as a shock to some but having 3,000km radius fighters can lead to fewer airbases placed further apart which results in poor coverage because Flankers are not twice as fast as Fulcrums so they might be able to fly over twice the distance they wont actually be able to protect twice the area...

    wait, but you were always against ligth fighters and dinky 40ktons CVNs isnt it? affraid affraid affraid
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Jul 14, 2019 6:54 am

    wait, but you were always against ligth fighters and dinky 40ktons CVNs isnt it?

    If you can only get 48 fighter aircraft on your carrier it makes sense to go for 48 of the best most capable aircraft you can manage to build... the Su-33 has folding wings that fit into a space not much bigger than the Mig-33 so it is not a choice between 48 Flankers or 96 Fulcrums.

    The Fulcrums were also rather more expensive because they were fully multirole, while the Flankers were much much simpler and cheaper.

    If you were starting from a clean slate bigger carriers means bigger aircraft with longer effective range so you see further and can reach further... of course with their new carrier design with EMALS they can have inflight refuelling aircraft so range and endurance can be stretched beyond the size of the aircraft involved.

    When talking about a land based air force having two aircraft with the same flight speed but one has almost double the range and double the practical armament, with a larger apature longer range sensors (radar and IRST) but it more expensive to operate it seems the bigger aircraft might do the job of several smaller aircraft and so work out cheaper.

    But tell me, would giving police officers extra ammo for their pistols and larger fuel tanks in their cars be a good idea so you could halve the number of police officers operating in a particular area?

    With bigger longer ranged aircraft you get better reach when needed but that does not mean you get better coverage especially when you can't afford to operate enough of them for full coverage.

    Smaller lighter aircraft with the same flight speed and reduced payload and radar IRST performance means more aircraft in the air which means better coverage... there is an entire IADS collecting information about air targets so much of the time they wont even have their radars on, and they wont need to fly out of their areas of operation so lack of super long range would only be an issue when transferring from one place to another... where external fuel tanks and their inflight refuelling probes make it a non issue.

    Not every job requires a super plane, so having Su-35s and Su-30s upgraded and also MiG-35s is useful and also much more affordable... especially if you can get all your Flankers using the same engines and the MiG-29 and MiG-35s sharing components too.
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    Post  Cyberspec on Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:58 am

    william.boutros wrote:

    Why don't they participate in Su-35 production instead of Su30 SM upgrade instead of producing new Su30 SM for the Russian aviation?


    Seems they want to unify them as much as possible. Apart from the common engine, there is talk about using the same avionics (as much as practicable)

    The Su-30 is better for certain missions and I'm not sure about the price, but it should be cheaper to produce
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:30 am

    Think of it as Sukhoi looking at the MiG-29M2 and the MiG-35 being unified in structure and design and thinking that is a good idea to improve logistics and operational costs and trying to turn the Su-30 into a surrogate two seat Su-35.

    Sometimes two crew is better, and having one standard engine type across different but similar aircraft saves money.

    If the Su-30 and the Su-34 and teh Su-35 and teh Su-57 can all use the same engine you just need one engine type to buy and one spare parts pool that all you units can dip in to... much simpler and cheaper.

    Plus your ground crew need to learn just one engine schedule and don't need to retrain if they move airfields, or a different aircraft lands and needs work done.
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    Post  d_taddei2 on Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:13 pm

    just for info, sorry its the Su-30 MKI but interesting read.


    https://hushkit.net/2019/07/20/flying-fighting-in-the-sukhoi-su-30-flanker-a-pilot-interview/
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    Post  Isos on Sun Jul 21, 2019 10:24 pm

    Nice parking in the background Cool

    ~ 84 sukhoi parked without counting those that are hiden by the su30. Pretty impressive. Soon it will be the same but with only Su-30/35/57 Cool

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    Post  dino00 on Sun Jul 21, 2019 10:43 pm

    Great picture!
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    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Jul 21, 2019 10:43 pm

    Isos wrote:~ 84 sukhoi parked without counting those that are hiden by the su30. Pretty impressive. Soon it will be the same but with only Su-30/35/57 Cool

    How do you know they're all Su-30's ?
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    Post  Isos on Sun Jul 21, 2019 10:46 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:
    Isos wrote:~ 84 sukhoi parked without counting those that are hiden by the su30. Pretty impressive. Soon it will be the same but with only Su-30/35/57 Cool

    How do you know they're all Su-30's ?

    I said sukhois not su-30. IMO most should be su27.

    Edit: looking again, maybe they are mig29s. If the bleu fighter parked on the top left of the airport is a sukhoi then the other ones lined up are smaller and should be migs.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:29 am

    From that distance... they could be Yak-130s... Smile

    Nice picture anyway.... Smile
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    Post  AMCXXL on Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:36 pm

    Isos wrote:Nice parking in the background Cool

    ~ 84 sukhoi parked without counting those that are hiden by the su30. Pretty impressive.  Cool

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    84 "Sukhois" , why Shukois ??


    This is Lípetsk airbase
    In Lípetsk there are a reserve unit: 4020 ABR (Reserve Airbase)

    The stored airplanes are MiG-29 and MiG-31. Also there are the decomissioned Su-27 of the own Lípetsk Center

    Unitil 2013, here there were near 100 MiG-29 stored and also about 50 MiG-31BS from two regiments of Central Siberia (Omsk and Bratsk) decomissioned about 2002 or 2003
    The MiG-31BS stored in Lipetsk were modernized to MiG-31BM (BSM) , and now there are stored other MiG-31 out of service  (probably remaining MiG-31DZ) after VKS gets the MiG-31BM

    Also, about the half of MiG-29 were taken form Lípetsk for replace other MiG-29 in service with too many flying hours.


    This is the last satellite image we can see parked in the store area:
    https://www.google.es/maps/@52.633747,39.4637086,448m/data=!3m1!1e3

    48 MiG-29
    29 MiG-31
    6 Su-27 and other fusselage (5 of those are the decomisioned 5 Su-27SM of Lípetsk Flanker squadron)
    Previously , in 2015 , there were a total of one dozen of Flankers stored in Lípetsk , including the 5 Su-30 (Su-27PU) that were transfered  last year to 275 ARZ in Krasnodar for repairs/MLU and will return to service in near future


    Before of 2000 , FACE treaty reported 266 MiG-23 and 96 MiG-29 stored in Lípetsk. MiG-23 were scrapped at the begining of this decade

    In a satellite image of 2010 we still can see some MiG-23 on the left , and about 50 MiG-31 on the right
    https://zoom.earth/#view=52.634424,39.456179,17z/layers=archive47

    By 2014, only MiG-29 and MiG-31 , that will be send to modernization
    https://zoom.earth/#view=52.632802,39.466567,17z/layers=archive1


    Soon it will be the same but with only Su-30/35/57


    The next thing to store in Lipetsk, will be Su-27, about 100 including Su-27P and Su-27SM


    An later, probably the Su-27SM3 and MiG-29SMT that only were a stopgap,  if Russia cannot sell those to a smaller country
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    Post  Austin on Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:16 am

    Flying & fighting in the Sukhoi Su-30 ‘Flanker’: A pilot interview

    https://hushkit.net/2019/07/20/flying-fighting-in-the-sukhoi-su-30-flanker-a-pilot-interview/
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    Post  medo on Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:55 pm

    https://www.aex.ru/news/2019/7/31/200222/

    31 июля 2019 г., AEX.RU – Истребительный полк Западного военного округа получит партию истребителей Су-30СМ по государственному оборонному заказу с модернизированным двигателем. Об этом сообщает Минобороны России со ссылкой на пресс-службу Западного военного округа.

    Партия истребителей планируется к поставке в 2021 году. Новые самолеты оснастят самыми современными двигателями АЛ-41Ф-1С.

    На сегодняшний день подобные двигатели устанавливаются на серийные самолеты поколения 4++ Су-35С.

    RuAF regiment in Tver in Western military district will in 2021 receive a batch of modernized Su-30SM with new AL-41F-1C engines.

    It looks like there is a new contract for modernized Su-30SM.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:08 pm

    So besides Su-35 engines, what else is being changed?

    Also, is it new order for new planes or modernization of current? There is still to be more orders anyway.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:20 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:So besides Su-35 engines, what else is being changed?

    Also, is it new order for new planes or modernization of current?  There is still to be more orders anyway.
    I thought they would get at least also the irbis-E radar of the su-35 and that they would unify the avionics and.the sensors between the 2 models (at least for new built Su-30SMD, no need to spend money replace the avionics that is quite modern anyway in already build Su-30SM).

    Btw, do the Russian Su-30SM retain french and israeli.components present in the indian Su-30MKI?

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