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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  GarryB on Sat Dec 22, 2012 9:13 am

    However, the separate orders for 30 (as opposed to 24) is weird.

    Orders of 30 could mean one unit getting 24 aircraft and two other units getting operational trainers (three each).


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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:44 pm

    There was a report a few months back about plans to form a Su-30SM unit in the Far East.

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  Shadåw on Sat Dec 22, 2012 3:56 pm

    Found this on youtube its about the Su-30SM`s recently entering service among other things and features filming of the aircraft including some closeups.

    Channel TVC did the news report.


    Su-30SM - news report

    I found one more now with fotage from inside the /factory/

    Su-30SM and others?

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  Cyberspec on Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:02 am

    According to this Izvestia report, the Su-30SM's are definately planned as trainers.

    With everyone focusing on the flashy stuff like the Pak Fa and Su-35, the main workhorse of the fighter fleet, the Su-27UB has been forgotten it seems. With increased tempo of flight training in the past few years, the Su-27UB's are being worked to death. The resources of most of them run out by 2014. In the article it's being suggested that they have 2 options to avoid a crisis next year:

    1. High priority overhaul program of the UB's
    2. A new order of "dumbed down" Su-30's which would be pure trainers without all the combat systems (to speed up production)

    Arrow http://izvestia.ru/news/543881

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  TR1 on Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:03 am

    Izvestia.

    That article is full of innacuracies.

    Guys, stop reading anything off that site.

    From a person more knowledgeable than me:

    "КарКарыч:

    Ссылку бы на оригинал статьи и автора узнать.
    1. Тренировочные(самостоятельные) полёты выполняются на боевых самолетах, а на спарах -вывозные и контрольные.
    2.В ВВС РФ только ОДНА учебная эскадрилья Су-27, в училище. Мож я где-то прохлопал и успели организовать ещё одну учебную?
    3.Ну и 70% налёта на "спарке" даже обсуждать не интересно, просто бред.
    Хотя сама тема дефицита "спарок" всех типов, не только Су-27, стара как ВВС. Их не хватает всегда."


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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  Cyberspec on Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:31 am

    I know that Izvestia over dramatises things (check out the titles of their articles Rolling Eyes ) but maybe the gist of the report, about a shortage of trainers is on the ball.

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  medo on Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:12 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:According to this Izvestia report, the Su-30SM's are definately planned as trainers.

    With everyone focusing on the flashy stuff like the Pak Fa and Su-35, the main workhorse of the fighter fleet, the Su-27UB has been forgotten it seems. With increased tempo of flight training in the past few years, the Su-27UB's are being worked to death. The resources of most of them run out by 2014. In the article it's being suggested that they have 2 options to avoid a crisis next year:

    1. High priority overhaul program of the UB's
    2. A new order of "dumbed down" Su-30's which would be pure trainers without all the combat systems (to speed up production)

    Arrow http://izvestia.ru/news/543881

    If they need new trainers to replace Su-27UB, than Su-30M2 could be just fine for that job. Su-30SM will be better used if used like F-15E.

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  TR1 on Fri Feb 01, 2013 12:19 am

    Cyberspec wrote:I know that Izvestia over dramatises things (check out the titles of their articles Rolling Eyes ) but maybe the gist of the report, about a shortage of trainers is on the ball.

    It is generally true- two seaters are in heavy demand across EVERY type in service, but I think the specifics of airframe life is where Izvestya is going from reporting to hysteria.

    Generally, that seems to be their priority these days though.

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  TR1 on Sun Mar 03, 2013 12:16 am

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/471136.html

    Somewhat of a first- HAL got a contract from Irkut for RC1 and RC2 processors for the Bard radar- for RuAF Su-30SMs by the look of it.

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  Viktor on Sun Mar 03, 2013 2:25 am

    Whats the story with those expensive chips?

    Russia makes them too.

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  GarryB on Sun Mar 03, 2013 8:37 am

    The electronics for military equipment tends to be ruggedised and specially made to be hardier and also often gets electronic hardening too... which makes it expensive.

    I had a lecturer who was in the Army of Singapore in the 1980s and he said they wanted a way of clearing hard drives rapidly in case the unit was over run. Their first option was to find out the cost of a new keyboard with a covered switch they could flip open the cover and push a button or flick a switch to immediately fast format the harddrive to make the information harder to access by an enemy. It was going to cost over $1,000 US per keyboard.

    In the end they used two pieces of tape forming an X on the side of the computer where the hard drive was. Each soldier was issued with a 45 cal pistol and would fire two shots at the centre of the x formed by the two pieces of tape... much cheaper and simpler solution.


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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  George1 on Fri Jul 05, 2013 4:07 am

    Russian Air Force to Get Su-30SM Fighter Jets in Bulk

    MOSCOW, July 4 (RIA Novosti) – Sukhoi Su-30SM multirole fighter jets will be delivered to the Russian Air Force as fully equipped squadrons, rather than “piecemeal,” deputy commander Colonel Sergei Kobylash said Thursday.

    The Su-30SM is the latest development of the twin-seat Su-30 jet fighter family, a derivative of the long-serving single-seat Sukhoi Su-27, one of the air force's most important warplanes.

    The new aircraft has better radar and communications capabilities, an improved friend-or-foe system, a new ejection seat and new weapons. It also has thrust-vectoring engine nozzles, providing super-maneuverability at low airspeeds.

    The first contract between the Defense Ministry and Irkut Corporation for 30 Su-30SMs was signed in March last year. The Russian Air Force received the first two Su-30SM aircraft in November. In mid-December, a new contract was signed for an additional 30 jets by 2016.

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  TR1 on Sat Aug 03, 2013 2:38 am

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/583726.html

    Unexpected. In December 2012 a contract was signed with Sukhoi for delivery of 16 Su-30M2 to the RuAF, in 2013-2015.


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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  medo on Sat Aug 03, 2013 11:22 am

    TR1 wrote:http://bmpd.livejournal.com/583726.html

    Unexpected. In December 2012 a contract was signed with Sukhoi for delivery of 16 Su-30M2 to the RuAF, in 2013-2015.


    I think 16 Su-30M2 will be enough for 96 Su-35 fleet to serve as trainers (2 per squadron). This could just confirm, that Su-30SM will form independent squadrons. Are all those 4 existing Su-30M2 serve in Far East?

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  George1 on Sat Aug 03, 2013 12:58 pm

    medo wrote:
    TR1 wrote:http://bmpd.livejournal.com/583726.html

    Unexpected. In December 2012 a contract was signed with Sukhoi for delivery of 16 Su-30M2 to the RuAF, in 2013-2015.


    I think 16 Su-30M2 will be enough for 96 Su-35 fleet to serve as trainers (2 per squadron). This could just confirm, that Su-30SM will form independent squadrons. Are all those 4 existing Su-30M2 serve in Far East?

    can we assure this from some other source?

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  mack8 on Wed Aug 07, 2013 11:28 pm

    Someone at paralay.com said that, in addition to the Bars-R radar  (i assume R is for Rossii), the Su-30SM has Izd.99SM aka Izd. 99M2 or AL-31FM2 engines of 14,000kgf thrust. Is that accurate info, is it confirmed ? (imo i always thought MKI type aircraft could use more power, they are heavy aircraft and a little draggier than a KnAAZ Su-30MK f.e.)

    On another note, something that puzzled me, the Su-30SM bort 54, is it really the third SM, or is it 01 or 02 with the new bort ?

    Thank you.

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  Viktor on Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:05 am

    New Su-30SM in the sky.



    http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/38903/


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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  kopyo-21 on Wed Aug 21, 2013 6:03 am

    In the take-off magazine No. 18 Nov 2010, Yuri Bely, GM of Tikhomirov-NIIP , said that "Just a fortnight ago, in late September, there was the first successful launch of an upgraded air-to-air missile by a Su-27SM3 prototype, with the missile hitting its target. To extend the missile’s range, we had upgraded the antenna, transmitter and RF update channel of the Su-27’s organic radar".

    Do they upgrade the existing N001-01A twist-cassergainian antenna or replace it by new one (new twist-cassergainian or even Pero PESA anteena). If they upgrade the exiting antenna so what components / how are they upgraded? Thank you.

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    Su-30SM for RuAF

    Post  Viktor on Fri Aug 23, 2013 2:16 am

    5th Su-30SM



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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  TR1 on Mon Sep 09, 2013 3:36 am

    http://age.lenta.ru/maks_2013/video/2013/09/01/su30/

    Su-30SM + HD + full screen = nice.

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  SOC on Mon Sep 09, 2013 6:00 am

    You can see the IRST dome moving around once he gets right up on the "target".

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  TR1 on Sat Oct 26, 2013 6:46 am

    http://www.mycity-military.com/imgs2/65178_60118697_41d49a429c22a1cbb0bc%5B%28006835%2919-58-43%5D.JPG

    New Su-30M2.

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  medo on Sat Oct 26, 2013 1:51 pm

    TR1 wrote:http://www.mycity-military.com/imgs2/65178_60118697_41d49a429c22a1cbb0bc%5B%28006835%2919-58-43%5D.JPG

    New Su-30M2.
    I could not see a picture. Sad  

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  zg18 on Sat Oct 26, 2013 4:36 pm

    medo wrote:I could not see a picture. Sad  


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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  TR1 on Sat Oct 26, 2013 9:11 pm

    Now?

    http://www.mycity-military.com/imgs2/65178_60118697_41d49a429c22a1cbb0bc%5B%28006835%2919-58-43%5D.JPG

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