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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:32 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:So you are saying they can launch without any means of targeting? No, that isn't how it works.  Never has either.  If an F-22 or F-35 decides to pick up the Su-30SM, it would be able to launch its missile at it due to its passive sensors picking it up.

    The planes within the Flanker's threat zone can.
    The plane outside can't, sure, and will do what I posted above (re-read).

    Switch on, illuminate, track, pass along targeting information via data-link. And f-off fast.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:35 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:So you are saying they can launch without any means of targeting? No, that isn't how it works.  Never has either.  If an F-22 or F-35 decides to pick up the Su-30SM, it would be able to launch its missile at it due to its passive sensors picking it up.

    The planes within the Flanker's threat zone can.
    The plane outside can't, sure, and will do what I posted above (re-read).

    Switch on, illuminate, track, pass along targeting information via data-link. And f-off fast.

    And then due to the fire off, positions already spotted.  Passive sensors on Sukhois will know where it is, especially from the "info" of were the radar signal was from.  Once those missiles are fired, then Russia will rely on its EW/ECM/ECCM systems and then information sent to all other assets in area to the general location.

    You are boring me already though.  Medo made a point that you are ignoring for obvious reasons (maybe hurts your pride or something).  But reality is, these F-22's are not as stealthy as claimed, and if they acknowledge F-35 is significantly less stealthy than F-22, then that is even worst for them.

    But whatever, you can continue to think the stealth is some sort of magic against physics Laughing

    Point is: Uber Stealth plane ran off after spotted and calculations showing that their stealth isn't as stealthy as they claimed, and now using old jets. tongue Guess they are scared now. Just like the THAAD not intercepting the NK missiles flying over japan. Or no attempt at all. Laughing
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:39 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:And then due to the fire off, positions already spotted.

    Not necessarily. Missile Launch detection is also tough at distance over 30-40 km. And missile approach warning can be rectified if an AMRAAM is set not to illuminate in the first 10-20 km of flight. You see I think about these things with probability and complexity in mind, not brochures.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:41 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:And then due to the fire off, positions already spotted.

    Not necessarily. Missile Launch detection is also tough at distance over 30-40 km.
    You see I think about these things with probability and complexity in mind, not brochures.

    Not based upon what sensors are used to spot the radars initial use.  Even if it is AWACS.  Hence why with said sensors, both (F-35) and Su-30 were regarded as mini awacs, wasn't just the radar.

    If you do not want to read what the brochures said, then you shouldn't be selective.  Because the brochures from the F-35 and F-22 are clearly contrived then as well.

    And missile approach warning can be rectified if an AMRAAM is set not to illuminate in the first 10-20 km of flight

    Then if it has nothing to guide it initially, it is like "shooting in the dark". Something that was claimed "doesn't work" by some "professionals" of AD systems here proclaimed.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:51 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    And missile approach warning can be rectified if an AMRAAM is set not to illuminate in the first 10-20 km of flight

    Then if it has nothing to guide it initially, it is like "shooting in the dark".  Something that was claimed "doesn't work" by some "professionals" of AD systems here proclaimed.

    It has the lock data fed to it before launch via datalink, as I said. It's not a blind launch.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:51 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:
    And missile approach warning can be rectified if an AMRAAM is set not to illuminate in the first 10-20 km of flight

    Then if it has nothing to guide it initially, it is like "shooting in the dark".  Something that was claimed "doesn't work" by some "professionals" of AD systems here proclaimed.

    It has the lock data fed to it before launch via datalink, as I said. It's not a blind launch.

    With what probability to hit? Recall Garry's comment. If it is getting a signal from datalink at long ranges, that datalink is sending off signals. Those signals can easily be picked up. Once again, See RQ-170 for more details on how Iran hacked it and landed it.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  ZoA on Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:53 pm

    There are 4 scenarios of simple 1v1 A-A fight between stealth and traditional airframe, assuming both have up to date sensors

    Both have radars turned off, using passive sensors: they are on equal footing because radar detection does come in to equation

    Both have radars turned on: regarding detection range both are on equal footing because they will detect each other presence by radar radiation detectors before radars can register each other. Stealth will have slight advantage in getting earlier range and speed information then traditional plane, as passive radar detector give only direction information, not range and speed

    Stealth radar on, traditional radar of: Traditional has advantage because it will detect stealth plane's radar before stealth plane detects him

    Stealth radar off, traditional radar on: Stealth plane has advantage as it will detect traditional plane form massively lounger distance



    In another words stealth planes in such simple scenarios achieve significant advantage only if they shut down their radar and hunt target that has radar on.

    However this is academic because we know most of effective A-A combat will be done at relatively short ranges, few dozens kilometres. We know this form experience of Eritrea vs Ethiopia war when longer range missiles simply did not have kinematic performance necessary to engage highly manoeuvrable and fast targets like Mig-29 and su-27 at medium ranges. Stealth planes with they limited internal weapon space simply cannot load long range missiles that would be effective at ranges where they can avoid being detected by active plane radar before.

    So scenario where F-22 sneaks to Su-30/35 at abut 50 kom and shoots passive guided missiles at Su will still likely not result in a kill because at that ranges F-22 internal bay missiles will be just as effective against Su as those R-27 used during Eritrea-Etiopia war. Su will detect missile launch, do evasive actions and drop decoy and avoid getting hit fairly reliably. If you want to reliably kill you need to get fairly close, no more the 20 km I think, but that is well within radar detection range thus losing much of the surprise.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:56 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:With what probability to hit? Recall Garry's comment.  If it is getting a signal from datalink at long ranges, that datalink is sending off signals.  Those signals can easily be picked up.  Once again, See RQ-170 for more details on how Iran hacked it and landed it.

    If the Su-30SM can single-handedly deny datalink use, well... lol1
    I didn't say ''stealth'' is panacea, but you sure do put your eggs in one basket with that statement.

    For me LO is a good tool that with the right tactics is a winner. One is the example I made. I'm sure there are tons of other examples.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:57 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:With what probability to hit? Recall Garry's comment.  If it is getting a signal from datalink at long ranges, that datalink is sending off signals.  Those signals can easily be picked up.  Once again, See RQ-170 for more details on how Iran hacked it and landed it.

    If the Su-30SM can single-handedly deny datalink use, well... lol1
    I didn't say ''stealth'' is panacea, but you sure do put your eggs in one basket with that statement.

    For me LO is a good tool that with the right tactics is a winner. One is the example I made. I'm sure there are tons of other  examples.

    All radiation is picked up, no matter how you look at it. Modern sensors are good at distinguishing it compared to what we used back in the 80's. But fair point in the end, you think LO is a good tool. Fine.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:03 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:With what probability to hit? Recall Garry's comment.  If it is getting a signal from datalink at long ranges, that datalink is sending off signals.  Those signals can easily be picked up.  Once again, See RQ-170 for more details on how Iran hacked it and landed it.

    If the Su-30SM can single-handedly deny datalink use, well... lol1
    I didn't say ''stealth'' is panacea, but you sure do put your eggs in one basket with that statement.

    For me LO is a good tool that with the right tactics is a winner. One is the example I made. I'm sure there are tons of other  examples.

    All radiation is picked up, no matter how you look at it.  Modern sensors are good at distinguishing it compared to what we used back in the 80's.  But fair point in the end, you think LO is a good tool.  Fine.

    Russia wouldn't develop PAK FA if they disagreed with me! In fact Russia has more datalink experience than what USAF did to their F-22As.
    They foolishly denied them Link16-send capability dunno

    In fact, the scenario I vaguely described will be so much more deadly if implemented between Su-30s/35s, PAK FA and using both passive/active missiles.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:07 pm

    PAK FA is an experiment with adaptation to new technologies overall.  What is being learned from its development will more than likely end up on future current generation of aircraft.  While it took the LO into consideration, there was far more input into its overall composite structure, new engines and overall, new sensors.  While it isn't Russia's first in the sensor structure being adapted for PAK FA, it is the first to have it all integrated into its body as a "Fusion" as the popular marketing term is called on.

    The most important part is its sensor systems being implemented to deal with counter stealth.  Only thing on there that has my interest peaked at maximum is the L-Band arrays on it that are apparently newer than the ones used on the Su-35 and proclaimed to have a separate antenna to scan the skies.

    The signals sent off from datalinks and all these other systems used by both Russia and the US can be picked up rather quite easily.  All this stuff is fantastic to use when using it against countries that have little in terms to counter it.  But things tend to get interesting when there are competent nations using these "pros" as a somewhat weak link in the chain.  RQ-170 should have been an eye opener for most.  It wasn't as it has rather taken a back seat and nearly forgotten about internationally. It also disproved my initial thought process that Iran was nothing but a backwater shithole.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  franco on Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:28 pm

    From an article in the Military Aviation thread posted today by George1;

    The production of Su-30SM multi-functional fighters by 2022 will be practically completed. According to Kommersant's information, the UAC needs to ensure the loading of capacities of about 100 Su-30SM by 2022 - about 50 will be purchased for naval aviation needs, and 50 will be exported. After that, all military programs (with the exception of combat training Yak-130 and training Yak-152) will go to the Sukhoi corporation (the manufacturer of the Su-35 and Su-57 fighters).

    NOTE: There will be 16 left under order after 2017 delivers are complete. So perhaps another 50 by the end of 2022 (4 years)? Will have wait and see if that means another 66 after this year or only a total of 50.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:19 pm

    Guess Irkut will rely on trainer jet production and MS-21 and that's it. I figured the Su-30 was very lucrative for them, and they will hand all future dealings of it to KnAAPO itself instead. Interesting. So future upgrades and production will be handled by KnAAPO meaning even Su-30MKI upgrades, SM1, SME, etc. So producer of Su-30MK series will have chance to upgrade both line of jets. Since they have all the newest tech too.....
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  AMCXXL on Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:31 pm

    franco wrote:From an article in the Military Aviation thread posted today by George1;

    The production of Su-30SM multi-functional fighters by 2022 will be practically completed. According to Kommersant's information, the UAC needs to ensure the loading of capacities of about 100 Su-30SM by 2022 - about 50 will be purchased for naval aviation needs, and 50 will be exported. After that, all military programs (with the exception of combat training Yak-130 and training Yak-152) will go to the Sukhoi corporation (the manufacturer of the Su-35 and Su-57 fighters).

    NOTE: There will be 16 left under order after 2017 delivers are complete. So perhaps another 50 by the end of 2022 (4 years)? Will have wait and see if that means another 66 after this year or only a total of 50.

    Well it's one of the dozens of prense articles that every year contribute to confusión
    He can not say when the production of Su-30SM will end, because that depends on the contracts that Irkut Corporation receives

    Yes , there are 16 planes remaining for Russia (8 VKS & 8 Navy) , to hand over before 2018 ending , but that does not mean that in 2018 no more can be produced for Russia
    Next year , after the presidential election on march , it will be announced the new State Arms Plan 2018-2025 , and more contracts will be signed ,probably during or after the MAKS , and probably the production will grow again

    This article only says : UAC needs to ensure the loading of capacities of about 100 Su-30SM : about 50 will be purchased for naval aviation needs, and 50 will be exported

    Well Irkut produced 31 Su-30SM in 2015 and could produce some more , then in the five years 2018 to 2022 could produce 160 or until 180 airplanes if has more contracts

    In the first place, he forgets the VKS:
    As mínimum VKS will get 120 Su-30SM: 24 Millerovo , 24 Kursk , 24 Domna , 8 Kubinka , 6 Akhtubinsk , 6 Lipestk and two seaters for 7 ?? Su-35 regiments (28)
    Then , as only 88 are contracted by VKS , it will be necesary other contract of at least 32 Su-30SM for VKS
    This could be received in 4 years 2019-2022 at the rate of 8 aircraft per year

    About the Navy , there are 28 planes contracted:
    12 for Saki , 12 for Chernyakhovsk , 2 "two seaters" ?? for 279 KIAP and perhaps other 2 for Yeisk training center of Navy
    If " about 50 will be contracted" , this is only 4 squadrons , not enough for 4 regiments , one each fleet
    If Saki and Chernyakhovsk are completed , then only 24 for other regiment in North Fleet .... but , what about the Pacific Fleet ??

    About the Su-30SM for other countries:
    -Kazajstán will get 24 for 2020 (this year recives 2 and reaches 8 ). Then, for the moment other 16 are pending for 2018-2020 .The total Kazajstán wants is about 32-36
    -Belarus: 12 are contracted for receive until 2020 starting late 2017 or 2018 .After that colud have a second contract
    -Bangladesh: 8-12 to be contracted of Su-30SME export version. Bangladesh have plans for until 3 squadrons
    -Iran is also interested

    Imporved version Su-30SM1 and versión for export Su-30SME were presented this same year, then is probably the production will continue some more years


    miketheterrible wrote:Guess Irkut will rely on trainer jet production and MS-21 and that's it. I figured the Su-30 was very lucrative for them, and they will hand all future dealings of it to KnAAPO itself instead. Interesting. So future upgrades and production will be handled by KnAAPO meaning even Su-30MKI upgrades, SM1, SME, etc. So producer of Su-30MK series will have chance to upgrade both line of jets. Since they have all the newest tech too.....

    This article does not make any sense
    UAC will do what the govemment of Russia tells him to do
    KnaAPO has a production line of Su-35 and in a short time it will have a second production line for the Su-57, so it can not take charge of the Su-30SM production and variants
    NAPO have the Su-34 , not sure if could produce more aircraft, but would not be reasonable to change the production of production plant once it works at full capacity
    The reasonable is that the production of the Su-30SM will continue throughout the time of SAP 2018-2025 if there are no more contracts from foreign countries


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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  franco on Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:58 pm

    I suspect we will know the answer sooner (2018) or later (2022) Smile
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  GarryB on Fri Sep 01, 2017 7:49 am

    Stealth planes with they limited internal weapon space simply cannot load long range missiles that would be effective at ranges where they can avoid being detected by active plane radar before.

    Actually the PAK FA is designed to carry four R-37M missiles internally...

    All these comment are amusing about F-22s operating 150km back from the so called front line and finding targets for radio silent F-16s and F-35s operating near or on the front line in radar silence.

    Amusing because the entire point of the Su-30M in the Russian PVO was to operate with its large powerful radar to detect targets and direct smaller radar and radio silent fighters to intercept the targets.

    Sort of a mini AWACS aircraft but with its own missiles too.

    Also interesting that these NATO aircraft can cooperate with data and emission control but the Russians can't do the same... so the Russian aircraft are only good against third world countries... except that they can do the same and it is really less capable countries like Venezuela or Cuba that the F-22 is designed to rape and steal resources from... China and Russia are just to big...


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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  AMCXXL on Mon Sep 04, 2017 6:26 pm

    franco wrote:I suspect we will know the answer sooner (2018) or later (2022) Smile

    It will be soon, next spring or next summer as very late
    The production chain cannot be stopped
    Even if next year only are manufactured those that are now contracted next, new contracts are needed in mid-2018, since the manufacturing and testing process of each airplane takes many months before it is delivered to its destination

    the interview says these things:

    -The reorganization will affect a number of UAC projects: for example, by 2022 Irkut will actually withdraw from the implementation of military programs,
    This means , Irkut will not start developing a new military program when the Su-30 program is over
    This makes sense because by the decade 2020´s KnAAPO will have two production chains underway , Su-35 and Su-57 , enough for the needs of Russian MoD

    the UAC needs to ensure the loading of capacities of about 100 Su-30SM by 2022 - about 50 will be purchased for naval aviation needs, and 50 will be exported.
    Irkut needs a minimum of 25 aircraft per year to obtain enough profitability of the Su-30 production chain. This is the minimun of 100 for the 4 years period 2019-2022
    Otherwise, it is more profitable to manufacture something else in greater quantity
    Last year Irkut made 27 warplanes : 21 Su-30SM (12 VKS , 7 Navy and 2 Kazajstán) and 6 Su-30MKA for Algeria
    In 2015 , 31 Su-30SM: 22 for VKS , 5 for Navy and 4 for Kazajstan
    What Irkut's manager is doing is crying for more contracts

    -The production of Su-30SM multi-functional fighters by 2022 will be practically completed.
    This means , of course, that in 2023 or later will be any production, it will be depends of the contracts that Irkut can get from Russian MoD and/or foreing countries

    At the current rate of 12 Su-30SM , VVS will complete its minimun need just in 2020 , this means 116 : 3 regiments(72) , Kubinka/Lipestk/Akhtubinsk (20) and "two seater" for 6 Su-35 regiments (24), because a 7th Su-35 regiment would be for the Navy if it is in Kaliningrad or in North district
    Then a new contract for 28 Su-30Sm more will be necesary next year , giving meaning to the other contract of 28 for VVS in 2016

    Then in 2021 , 2022 , and 2023 all the Su-30SM production will go to the Russian Navy , once Navy has enough pilots trained in squadrons of Saki and Chernyakhovsk
    Russia MoD will get over 200 Su-30SM in any case. About 80 in the Navy if there are only 3 regiments or more of 100 if there are 4 regiments , one each fleet
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:49 am

    Just as a note, as mentioned in the article that Franco is talking about, Irkutsk stated that the production of the Su-30SM, etc would transfer to KnAAPO after 2022. This means that KnAAPO would then be manufacturing them, which isn't far from reality seeing as how they manufactured Su-30MK, MKM, M2, etc. In this regard, they will just do the SM (Irkutsk may get a profit from it obviously as it falls under UAC). So that doesn't mean that production will stop, it will transfer to elsewhere, where they already have the existing tools to do it, while Irkutsk relies on the two trainers and the MS-21. Su-30SM has lots of interest to it from third parties and even at home itself, and as it was said, both Su-30SM and Su-35 have potentials not even fully implemented, meaning that there is a lot more that can be done to upgrade the jets to make them real beasts. This can be included new radar, new sensors, chassis improvement, etc. It was also mentioned there will be more orders for the jets for the RuAF as Bondarev said that more emphasis will be placed on purchases of Su-30SM and Su-35 due to their capabilities and cost.

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  JohninMK on Thu Sep 07, 2017 6:37 pm

    That's how to do an air display

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    Post  AMCXXL on Mon Sep 11, 2017 12:45 am

    miketheterrible wrote:Just as a note, as mentioned in the article that Franco is talking about, Irkutsk stated that the production of the Su-30SM, etc would transfer to KnAAPO after 2022.  This means that KnAAPO would then be manufacturing them, which isn't far from reality seeing as how they manufactured Su-30MK, MKM, M2, etc.  In this regard, they will just do the SM (Irkutsk may get a profit from it obviously as it falls under UAC).  So that doesn't mean that production will stop, it will transfer to elsewhere, where they already have the existing tools to do it, while Irkutsk relies on the two trainers and the MS-21.  Su-30SM has lots of interest to it from third parties and even at home itself, and as it was said, both Su-30SM and Su-35 have potentials not even fully implemented, meaning that there is a lot more that can be done to upgrade the jets to make them real beasts.  This can be included new radar, new sensors, chassis improvement, etc.  It was also mentioned there will be more orders for the jets for the RuAF as Bondarev said that more emphasis will be placed on purchases of Su-30SM and Su-35 due to their capabilities and cost.

    One thing is that it is possible, and another thing is that it is likely
    KnAAPO closed the production line of Su-30 in the end of 2015 and handed over the last airplanes to Russia and Vietman in febr/march of 2016
    Now the Su-35 production is at cruise speed , and in one year will start the serial production of Su-57 , that will raise progresively year after year
    India will produce a large number of Su-57 in India, of course

    The countries that use Russian armament, are already saturated of Su-30: India, Indonesia, Vietman, Algeria, etc ... so it is not probable more orders of Su-30
    If these countries buy any airplane , it will be Su-35 or Su-57 , not more Su-30

    The Su-30SM is mainly intended for the former USSR countries
    Kazajstán will get 24-36 and Belarus 12 or a little more
    Uzbekistán doesnt seem to have interest (or money) for the moment, and Ukraine , of course, is discarded while have a pro-NATO regime
    About Su-30SME for the moment only Bangladesh show interest for 8-12 airplanes
    Iran could purchase Su--30SME , but if the order is large or simply to circumvent the "international sanctions", Iran will produce the airplanes at home under lisence

    Then , the date of 2022 as "production near to be completed" could be a reasonable date if you think like the UAC manager
    He only calculate the minimun needs of replacements of current regiments for RuAF & RuNavy , and the current/likely contracts with Kazajstán and Belarus with the data available today
    However, this could change if RuNavy and/or RuAF contract one more regiment than today are on operation.
    Then the production could end one or two years later, not more. In that case , the logical is to end the production at IAPO
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    Post  AMCXXL on Mon Sep 11, 2017 12:32 pm

    AMCXXL wrote:http://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12140129@egNews
    08/28/2017
    The party of new Su-30SM fighter aircraft entered the Aviation Regiment of the Air Defense Forces in the Kursk Región

    The fighters of the generation "4+" Su-30SM made a flight from the airfield of the Irkutsk aircraft factory to man the squadrons of the aviation regiment of the Western Military District (ZVO), based in the Kursk region.
    During the planned rearmament, the regiment received two super-maneuverable Su-30SM fighters. Aviation equipment will go into the regiment's combat strength and take up protection of air borders.
    At present, the pilots have completed the retraining at the base of the Lipetsk Aviation Center of the VKS and carried out the first sorties with the combat employment of aviation weapons.



    This two could be the series 1416 and 1417 , deployed after the 1418-19-20 of last week


    Finally ,  photo of Su-30SM , serial numbers 1416 and 1417 , Nº75 and 76 of Kursk , have been found
    The total number , including the serial numbers 1418,1419 and 1420 of Chernyakhovsk , are 100 Su-30SM produced by KnAAPO, 6 for Kazakhstan and 94 for Russia (74 VKS & 20 Navy)
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  George1 on Tue Sep 12, 2017 3:01 am

    Here says 72 in total Su-30SMs for the Air Force

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2841997.html

    According to available information, in total in 2017 the 14th Aviation Regiment is to receive 14 Su-30SM aircraft.


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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  AMCXXL on Tue Sep 12, 2017 3:30 pm

    George1 wrote:
    According to available information, in total in 2017 the 14th Aviation Regiment is to receive 14 Su-30SM aircraft.

    source of information ?
    What means "According to available information" ??

    https://lenta.ru/news/2017/03/09/fighters/
    In 2017, the Russian military will receive 27 multifunctional fighters of the Su-35S and Su-30SM type. This is how, on Thursday, March 9, TASS reports, Russian Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov said.
    According to him, in 2016 a long-term contract was signed for the delivery of the Su-35S. According to this agreement, in 2017 the military will receive 10 vehicles of this type. Also in 2017, the Ministry of Defense will transfer 17 Su-30SM aircraft


    While the Defense Ministry of Russia does not say anything else, 17 Su-30SM are expected for this year this year, of which 11 have already been delivered

    George1 wrote:Here says 72 in total Su-30SMs for the Air Force

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2841997.html
    .

    That blog is the Holy Bible ??
    Thet blog is mistaken, BMPD actually contradicts its own information of previous entries
    In that blog he only list russian news and photos from other russian media and blogs
    His private  account of Su-30SM is mistaken. Perhaps he should spend a little more time for count correctly or pherhaps he is not very good with mathematics

    Did you read my previous comments on this topic?

    Once again:
    Nº 75 of Chernyakhovsk has serial number 10MK5-1420 , this is the 100th Su-30SM built by IAPO , 6 for Kazajstán and 94 for Russia , (20 Navy and 74 VKS)
    This is an objetive fact
    There are 100 different photos of 100 different Su-30SM , that I have in my files and everybody can find in internet

    please ask the owner of the BMPD blog if these planes do not exist:
    10MK5-1311 Nº50 , first flight april-2016 https://russianplanes.net/images/to196000/195973.jpg
    10MK5-1312 Nº51 , first flight april 2016 https://russianplanes.net/images/to197000/196148.jpg
    Transferred to the East probably during summer vacation, without news or photos because they do not make stopovers in any civil airport in the way to the Eastern airbases
    Nº51 got Nº51 when arrived to East , Nº50 presumably too
    The blue color indicates the regiment of destination is 22 IAP , as is logical, for its Su-35 squadron, despite the available photos of Nº51 was taken at Dzemgi durng drills or the Air Force Day


    AMCXXL wrote:
    Post n°594

    The account is simple:
    1001 to 1020 are 20 planes
    1101 to 1120  " "
    1201 to 1220  " "
    1301 to 1320  " "
    1401 to 1420 are 20

    Total 100: 6 for Kazajstán and 94 for Russia


    Post n°596
    The planes made by year for Russia:
    2 planes in 2012:  2 for VKS in Akhtubisnk
    14 planes in 2013: 14 for VKS (4 Lipestk , 10 Domna)
    21 planes in 2014: 18 for KVS (14 Domna , 4 Dzemgi) and 3 for Navy (Saki)
    27 planes in 2015: 22 for VKS (18 Millerovo , 4 Akhtubisnk) and 5 for Navy (Saki)
    19 planes in 2016: 12 for VKS (2 Millerovo , 2 "East" , 8 Kubinka) and 7 for Navy (4 Saki , 2 Severomorsk , 1 Chernyakhovsk)
    17 planes in 2017: 12 for KVS (6 Kursk and 6 more expected in 2017) and 5 for Navy (Chernyakhovsk)

    Then 94 deployed (74 VKS , 20 Navy) and 6 more expected for VKS , a total of 100 at the end of 2017

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