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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  sepheronx on Fri May 20, 2016 9:06 am

    Another Su-30SM for RuAF

    Hopefully information is more true this time.

    Another idea, is that I am thinking of wanting to work on an Infographic of our own for various equipment.  Issue I think most here agree with is that most infographics that are made are quite basic information and doesn't necessarily tell the truth or the whole story.  If anyone interested, please state so.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri May 20, 2016 11:40 am

    sepheronx wrote: Hopefully information is more true this time.

    Another idea, is that I am thinking of wanting to work on an Infographic of our own for various equipment.  Issue I think most here agree with is that most infographics that are made are quite basic information and doesn't necessarily tell the truth or the whole story.  If anyone interested, please state so.

    good idea imho. Like speed in Ma vs km/h on different heights as Ma also depends on altitude...
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  nemrod on Sun May 29, 2016 5:01 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Another Su-30SM for RuAF

    Hopefully information is more true this time.

    Another idea, is that I am thinking of wanting to work on an Infographic of our own for various equipment.  Issue I think most here agree with is that most infographics that are made are quite basic information and doesn't necessarily tell the truth or the whole story.  If anyone interested, please state so.


    The F-22's production stopped at 187 in 2008 -instead of around 700 as planned at the beginning-, the SU-50's production is frozen to 10 until 2020 if not more. Russia continues to develop its SU-30's fleet, and increase its Armata's tank series.
    With its powerful radar, its IRST, the SU-30 is able to nullify all F-22's assets. Russia does not need any other aircraft, except and maybe the SU-35 -but maintenance is harder on this last aircraft-.
    It leads me to think that SU-30 is equivalent if not better than any other US aircraft.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  medo on Wed Jun 08, 2016 8:11 pm

    http://sputniknews.com/military/20160608/1040989138/su30sm-capabilities-targeting-syria.html

    Interesting article about Su-30SM in Syria although not really logical. Su-30SM have TV and laser designating channel in IRST to engage ground targets, but it doesn't have enough negative elevation to designate for others, specially when Su-34 and Su-24M2 could do that job better with their EO targeting complexes and Su-35 could do that job for itself. Most probably Su-30SM work as a command plane, where WSO in back seat coordinate the work of the group and deliver targets to other planes in the group through data link network. But again, Su-34 could do this job as well. This article could only have a sense if Su-30SM in Syria are equipped with new targeting pods and when it do air protection of the group, WSO search for targets with targeting pod and deliver targets to other planes in the group. I don't think, they need Su-30SM as a mediator for delivering targets detected by UAVs.

    Anyway, Su-30SM equipped with Khibiny ECM pods and targeting pod will be really capable fighter and fighter-bomber, specially when work networked with others in group.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Jun 15, 2016 11:00 am

    Armed forces until the end of 2018 will receive 55 fighter su-30CM

    РИА Новости http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20160615/1447882995.html#ixzz4BdWhmLNt


    MOSCOW, 15 Nov — RIA Novosti. Air and space forces (VKS) and naval aviation of the Russian Navy will receive up to the end of 2018 55 heavy multi-role fighters su-30CM, said RIA Novosti on Wednesday, Director, production Irkutsk aviation plant (Irkut Corporation) Sergei Yamanov.


    The su-30SM manufactured at the Irkutsk aviation plant under contracts with the defense Ministry, and is available in videoconferencing in 2012, and naval aviation in 2014. At the moment, delivered to the troops 61 su-30CM.
    "Until the end of 2018 in the interests of the Navy and videoconferencing at the Irkutsk aviation plant will be manufactured and delivered 55 aircraft. Will total 116 su-30CM – 88 for videoconferencing and 28 for the Navy," said Yamana.
    Heavy fighters su-30CM one of the first net profit in 2015 in Syria and are used for its intended purpose — as a fighter and as an aircraft target designation for attack aircraft and bombers.





    medo wrote: Interesting article about Su-30SM in Syria although not really logical.  

    testing in unusual scenarios and marketing to boost sales as proven in real combat?

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  George1 on Wed Jun 15, 2016 11:07 am

    i have the same numbers but i thought it was 96 for air force and 20 for navy (116 in total)


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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  higurashihougi on Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:14 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    medo wrote:  Interesting article about Su-30SM in Syria although not really logical.  

    testing in unusual scenarios and marketing to boost sales as proven in real combat?

    Or to make sure that Erdogan will not make any crazy move similar to Su-24 shotdown; Su-30SM first and foremost is a fighter and Turkish fighters have to think twice before touching it.

    Personally I would like to see some Vietnamese Su-30SM equivalents.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:21 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    medo wrote:  Interesting article about Su-30SM in Syria although not really logical.  

    testing in unusual scenarios and marketing to boost sales as proven in real combat?

    Or to make sure that Erdogan will not make any crazy move similar to Su-24 shotdown; Su-30SM first and foremost is a fighter and Turkish fighters have to think twice before touching it.

    Personally I would like to see some Vietnamese Su-30SM equivalents.

    They could waste one more if the they wanted, maybe they will need to plan it more thoroughly but there's hardly anything that makes the Su-30SM untouchable from Turkey's arsenal. It's just that the response will be their air bases getting politely bombed.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  sepheronx on Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:36 pm

    Compared to what Turkey operates, there is.  Su-30SM is based upon the air superiority variant of Su-30 and derived from Su-30MKI.  It would detect and shoot down Turkey's F-16 before the F-16 could.  Using an Su-35S would be overkill. R-27 would be ideal. Of course F-16's pose a threat but Su-30SM is a far more ideal system to use.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  medo on Wed Jun 15, 2016 4:02 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    medo wrote:  Interesting article about Su-30SM in Syria although not really logical.  

    testing in unusual scenarios and marketing to boost sales as proven in real combat?


    I agree, that RuAF tested Su-30SM capabilities in leading and coordinating attacks on ground targets and with that test its radar ground attack modes, IRST ground attack capabilities and C4ISR data link network to coordinate group and share pictures within the group and with UAVs and command posts in the ground. But to have full capabilities for this work Su-30SM need to be equipped with Khibiny-U ECM pods and with a targeting pod, because IRST is limited with looking downward to observe and designate targets. Targeting pod will be a key element in ground attack capabilities. But in the mean time, before Su-30SM receive targeting pods, Su-34 is better suited for this job.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Jun 15, 2016 5:59 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    medo wrote:  Interesting article about Su-30SM in Syria although not really logical.  

    testing in unusual scenarios and marketing to boost sales as proven in real combat?

    Or to make sure that Erdogan will not make any crazy move similar to Su-24 shotdown; Su-30SM first and foremost is a fighter and Turkish fighters have to think twice before touching it.

    Personally I would like to see some Vietnamese Su-30SM equivalents.


    on top of currently used Su-30MK2?
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  franco on Wed Jun 15, 2016 10:19 pm

    MOSCOW, June 15 -. RIA Novosti Air Space Forces (VKS) and naval aviation of the Russian Navy will receive until the end of 2018 another 55 heavy multirole Su-30cm, told RIA Novosti on Wednesday, Production Director of Irkutsk Aviation Plant Sergey Yamani.

    Su-30cm are manufactured at the Irkutsk aircraft factory under contract with the Russian Defense Ministry and are available in videoconferencing since 2012, and the Naval Aviation - 2014. At the moment, delivered to the troops 61 Su-30cm.

    "Until the end of 2018 in favor of videoconferencing and the Navy at the Irkutsk aircraft plant will be manufactured and delivered 55 more aircraft total number will be 116 Su-30cm -. 88 and 28 for the video conferencing for Naval Aviation Navy" - Yamani said.

    Heavy Su-30cm one of the first to arrive in 2015 in Syria and how to apply it for its intended purpose - as a fighter and as a targeting aircraft for ground attack aircraft and bombers.

    NOTE: of the 61 presently in service 8 in Naval Aviation and 53 in Air Force. So 55 aircraft to be delivered over the next 3 years.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  George1 on Wed Jun 15, 2016 11:03 pm

    franco wrote:
    NOTE: of the 61 presently in service 8 in Naval Aviation and 53 in Air Force. So 55 aircraft to be delivered over the next 3 years.

    i have counted 56 in Air Force. That makes 64 in total according to my calculations


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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  higurashihougi on Thu Jun 16, 2016 7:15 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:on top of currently used Su-30MK2?

    Probably, but the luckiest circumstance may be a Su-35s contract.

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  franco on Thu Jun 16, 2016 11:35 am

    George1 wrote:
    franco wrote:
    NOTE: of the 61 presently in service 8 in Naval Aviation and 53 in Air Force. So 55 aircraft to be delivered over the next 3 years.

    i have counted 56 in Air Force. That makes 64 in total according to my calculations

    I thought so too.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  TheArmenian on Sun Aug 07, 2016 8:26 pm

    SU-30 with RVV-SD

    http://russianplanes.net/id194475

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  medo on Sun Aug 07, 2016 8:44 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:SU-30 with RVV-SD

    http://russianplanes.net/id194475




    True. It is really nice to see RuAF Su-30SM armed with R-77-1 and Kh-31 missiles. I wonder, when we will see new Khibiny ECM pods on them as well like on Su-35. And the final item will be targeting pod.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  George1 on Fri Aug 19, 2016 11:27 am

    "Syrian" Su-30SMs returned home

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2075793.html


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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  medo on Sat Aug 20, 2016 10:05 am

    It is interesting to see, that all four Su-30SM return without ECM pods, so those two pods from the first group remain in Syria. It Will be interesting to see, if the new group will be fully equipped with ECM pods and if they will be armed with R-77-1 missiles as well as Su-35.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  franco on Sun Sep 18, 2016 12:11 pm

    First Su-30SM ready for the Russian Knights aerobatic team at Kubinka. Apparently 6 will be delivered by years end.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2134724.html
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  franco on Sun Oct 02, 2016 12:44 pm

    According to this article only 16 Su-30SM's to be delivered this year. Two to Naval Aviation, six to the Aerobatic Team and eight to Fighter units.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2160364.html
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  VladimirSahin on Sun Oct 02, 2016 3:51 pm

    Six to the aerobatic team? WTF I'd say we need more modern fighters in service in active units...
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  Vladimir79 on Sun Oct 02, 2016 4:01 pm

    VladimirSahin wrote:Six to the aerobatic team? WTF I'd say we need more modern fighters in service in active units...

    The flight team is used as a promotional tool. If they fly old defective aircraft they could have accidents which greatly diminishes confidence in our products. It also hurts national morale which is more important than anything. Public Relations is half the game both in war and in sales.


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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  VladimirSahin on Sun Oct 02, 2016 4:11 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    VladimirSahin wrote:Six to the aerobatic team? WTF I'd say we need more modern fighters in service in active units...

    The flight team is used as a promotional tool.  If they fly old defective aircraft they could have accidents which greatly diminishes confidence in our products.  It also hurts national morale which is more important than anything.  Public Relations is half the game both in war and in sales.

    That's true actually, I reacted too early it's just we need more modern aircraft in service.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  George1 on Sun Oct 02, 2016 10:38 pm

    franco wrote:According to this article only 16 Su-30SM's to be delivered this year. Two to Naval Aviation, six to the Aerobatic Team and eight to Fighter units.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2160364.html

    franco, Su-30s for aerobatic team are included in the number of total orders?? (30+30+28) ??


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