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    azw

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  azw on Wed Mar 09, 2016 4:36 am

    is wikipedia source is accurate about the number of plane russian has and is all su-27 in soviet era still in service?

    and how you guy differentiate between su-27/30/35 because if i'm not mistake all come from the same t-10 airframe.
    i cannot see the difference especially su-27 and su-35 except for su-30/sm/mki/mkm because they had canard.

    and from wiki su-30sm is derivative from mkm/mki with all russian made avionic.
    compared to SME and MKI/MKM any major improvement especially targeting pod? I read somewhere before that russian very bad in thermal imaging..that why India and Malaysia use France version.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  medo on Wed Mar 09, 2016 5:37 am

    azw wrote:is wikipedia source is accurate about the number of plane russian has and is all su-27 in soviet era still in service?
    29
    and how you guy differentiate between su-27/30/35 because if i'm not mistake all come from the same t-10 airframe.
    i cannot see the difference especially su-27 and su-35 except for su-30/sm/mki/mkm because they had canard.

    and from wiki su-30sm is derivative from mkm/mki with all russian made avionic.
    compared to SME and MKI/MKM any major improvement especially targeting pod? I read somewhere before that russian very bad in thermal imaging..that why India and Malaysia use France version.

    The most easy way to differentiate Su-30 and Su-35 from Su-27 variants is by twin nose wheel and IFR probe on Su-30 variants and Su-35. Su-27 have single nose wheel and doesn't have IFR capabilities. Su-30SM also have canards and Su-30SM and Su-35 have engines with TVC. Su-30 was developed from twin seater Su-27UB and Su-35 was developed from single seater Su-27.

    Su-30SM is domestic fully Russian version for RuAF and RuNAVY of Su-30MKI/MKM, made by Irkut. Malaysia use French equipment, India use Israeli equipment and Israeli Litening targeting pod. Russia for now doesn't use targeting pods, but one is in testings with MiG-35/29M. Most probably this pod will also be installed on Su-30 and Su-35 fighters.

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  azw on Thu Mar 10, 2016 4:06 am

    thanks...but well, russia fighter really confusing Razz
    and I thought Russia had used targeting pod for their aircraft bcos i see some photo of russia su-30 with targeting pod. but i dont know if those targeting pod was russian made or license produce of france thales.

    and sorry if post are not related to RuAF acquisition of this plane..
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  Book. on Thu Mar 10, 2016 7:34 am

    azw wrote:thanks...but well, russia fighter really confusing Razz
    and I thought Russia had used targeting pod for their aircraft bcos i see some photo of russia su-30 with targeting pod. but i dont know if those targeting pod was russian made or license produce of france thales.

    and sorry if post are not related to RuAF acquisition of this plane..

    Ru can build EO pod



    Ru IRST work like EO pod. Su 27/30



    Ru Su-34 LTPS Plantan EO pod


    Ru Mig 29 T220 EO pod



    Ok have fun the RD!  cheers  russia
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  George1 on Sun Apr 03, 2016 8:53 pm

    Flying High: Russian Aerospace Forces to Get Over 30 Su-30SM Fighter Jets

    The Russian Aerospace Forces will be reinforced by more than 30 multirole Su-30SM fighter jets, according to a new contract.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — The Russian Defense Ministry and the Irkut aircraft manufacturer have signed a contract to supply over 30 multipurpose Sukhoi Su-30SM fighter jets to the Russian Aerospace Forces by the end of 2018, the ministry's press service said in a statement Sunday.

    "The Russian Defense Ministry and the Irkut Corporation have signed a contract to supply multipurpose Su-30SM fighters to the Russian Aerospace Forces… According to the terms of the contract, over 30 multipurpose Su-30SM fighters will be delivered [to the Russian Aerospace Forces] by the end of 2018," the statement said.

    The contract for the supply was signed by Russian Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov and President of Irkut Corporation Oleg Demchenko.

    The Su-30SM is a 4++ generation fighter jet, developed by Russia's Sukhoi Aviation Holding Company.

    It is a two-seat derivative of the earlier Su-27UB (NATO reporting name: Flanker) capable of air-to-air and air-to-ground missions with a wide variety of precision-guided munitions. The aircraft features thrust-vectoring engines to enhance maneuverability.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20160403/1037402311/su-30-russian-aerospace-forces-video.html#ixzz44lA8laz3


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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  franco on Sun Apr 03, 2016 8:55 pm

    Contract signed for another 30+ Su-30SM's before end of 2018. Not the 60-75 that was talked about.

    http://tass.ru/en/defense/866841
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Apr 03, 2016 10:23 pm

    Is this an additional 30+ to the 60-75 or did they cut order? Or do you think they will order another 30-35 later for 2020?
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  franco on Sun Apr 03, 2016 11:07 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Is this an additional 30+ to the 60-75 or did they cut order? Or do you think they will order another 30-35 later for 2020?

    Cut a new order, there never was an order for 60-75 just that they would be doing so by 2020. This order is through 2018 so another order for 2019 and 2020 could still come.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  medo on Mon Apr 04, 2016 2:27 am

    There is a little catch here in 30+ and it is a +. We do not know, how much more than 30 this could be. I would also expect, that soon will follow another contract like the first two contracts, where the second contract follow quite quickly after the first for the first 60 fighters.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  franco on Mon Apr 04, 2016 2:35 am

    medo wrote:There is a little catch here in 30+ and it is a +. We do not know, how much more than 30 this could be. I would also expect, that soon will follow another contract like the first two contracts, where the second contract follow quite quickly after the first for the first 60 fighters.

    Agreed and suspect the 30+ = 36 aircraft or 3 squadrons.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  mack8 on Mon Apr 04, 2016 7:32 am

    According to bmpd, this contract is indeed for 36 Su-30SM, bringing the totals to 96 for VKS and 20 for VMF, of which 56 and 8 respectively are already delivered (hope i got that right).
    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1828574.html
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  George1 on Mon Apr 04, 2016 8:15 am

    mack8 wrote:According to bmpd, this contract is indeed for 36 Su-30SM, bringing the totals to 96 for VKS and 20 for VMF, of which 56 and 8 respectively are already delivered (hope i got that right).
    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1828574.html

    absolutely right. I also add the 20xSu-30M2s that have been delivered


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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  medo on Tue Apr 05, 2016 3:02 am

    mack8 wrote:According to bmpd, this contract is indeed for 36 Su-30SM, bringing the totals to 96 for VKS and 20 for VMF, of which 56 and 8 respectively are already delivered (hope i got that right).
    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1828574.html

    I think another contract for similar number will soon follow as 36 fighters is not enough for next year production considering how many Su-30SM per year Irkut could produce. Navy will also need at least 30 more to equip two regiments in Crimea and in Kaliningrad.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Apr 05, 2016 5:24 am

    medo wrote:
    mack8 wrote:According to bmpd, this contract is indeed for 36 Su-30SM, bringing the totals to 96 for VKS and 20 for VMF, of which 56 and 8 respectively are already delivered (hope i got that right).
    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1828574.html

    I think another contract for similar number will soon follow as 36 fighters is not enough for next year production considering how many Su-30SM per year Irkut could produce. Navy will also need at least 30 more to equip two regiments in Crimea and in Kaliningrad.

    Of course there will be. The interest is in 60-75 more aircrafts, so this is probably part 1 of a contract. I believe we seen this before.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  medo on Fri Apr 08, 2016 1:58 am



    Two new Su-30M2 jets.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  George1 on Fri Apr 08, 2016 2:22 am

    delivered today?


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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  medo on Fri Apr 08, 2016 5:54 am

    George1 wrote:delivered today?

    I don't know, but this is the first picture of blue 90 and 89.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  medo on Fri Apr 08, 2016 7:13 am



    http://sputniknews.com/world/20160329/1037124484/russia-venezuela-sukhoi-jet.html

    In the last video of Su-35 we could see two Su-30M2 in the process of completing. I think those blue 89 and 90 are 18th ans 20th Su-30M2 fighters, which complete the contract for 16 jets. Vietnamese order was completed in February with delivery of the last 2 fighters and considering that Venezuela is now completing negotiations for additional 12 Su-30, there is good possibility, that RuAF order additional Su-30M2 to operate with 36 Su-27SM3, which will be modernized in coming years.

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  ult on Fri Apr 08, 2016 7:57 am

    George1 wrote:delivered today?

    They are not delivered yet. They are on their way to Belbek, Crimea.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  franco on Sat Apr 09, 2016 9:36 am

    According to this article, deliveries finalized for the 20 Su-30M2. Deployed at Krymsk ( 8 ), Belbek (6), Uglovaya (4) and Dzemgi (2).

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1839328.html
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  medo on Sat Apr 09, 2016 6:25 pm

    franco wrote:According to this article, deliveries finalized for the 20 Su-30M2. Deployed at Krymsk ( 8 ), Belbek (6), Uglovaya (4) and Dzemgi (2).

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1839328.html

    In the last Su-35 video we could see two Su-30M2 in the process of production. Vietnam receive their last two Su-30MK2 in February and Venezuelan order for additional 12 Su-30 is not finalized yet. I think those two in production are not the last two from contract for 16 Su-30M2, which were delivered to Belbek in this days. Do you think RuAF order more Su-30M2 to keep production line open for additional order from Venezuela and maybe from Iran or other customers?
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  franco on Sat Apr 09, 2016 8:50 pm

    medo wrote:
    franco wrote:According to this article, deliveries finalized for the 20 Su-30M2. Deployed at Krymsk ( 8 ), Belbek (6), Uglovaya (4) and Dzemgi (2).

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1839328.html

    In the last Su-35 video we could see two Su-30M2 in the process of production. Vietnam receive their last two Su-30MK2 in February and Venezuelan order for additional 12 Su-30 is not finalized yet. I think those two in production are not the last two from contract for 16 Su-30M2, which were delivered to Belbek in this days. Do you think RuAF order more Su-30M2 to keep production line open for additional order from Venezuela and maybe from Iran or other customers?

    The last article prior to this one, on the Su-30M2, was that the Plant was producing them (2) without having received an order for them yet. Perhaps anticipating further orders. Considering they are to support almost 200 Su-35S, Su-27SM3 and Su-27SM, more then 20 would be needed IMO.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  medo on Sat Apr 09, 2016 10:00 pm

    franco wrote:
    medo wrote:
    franco wrote:According to this article, deliveries finalized for the 20 Su-30M2. Deployed at Krymsk ( 8 ), Belbek (6), Uglovaya (4) and Dzemgi (2).

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1839328.html

    In the last Su-35 video we could see two Su-30M2 in the process of production. Vietnam receive their last two Su-30MK2 in February and Venezuelan order for additional 12 Su-30 is not finalized yet. I think those two in production are not the last two from contract for 16 Su-30M2, which were delivered to Belbek in this days. Do you think RuAF order more Su-30M2 to keep production line open for additional order from Venezuela and maybe from Iran or other customers?

    The last article prior to this one, on the Su-30M2, was that the Plant was producing them (2) without having received an order for them yet. Perhaps anticipating further orders. Considering they are to support almost 200 Su-35S, Su-27SM3 and Su-27SM, more then 20 would be needed IMO.

    Or maybe there is an order, but not yet known in public.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  JohnSnow on Sun Apr 10, 2016 7:58 am

    @Franco and Medo

    Thanks guys!
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  mack8 on Wed Apr 13, 2016 7:39 am

    Su-30SM with AKU-170 at Domna. So it seems like the R-77-1 found it's way to Su-30SM units too.

    http://www.arms-expo.ru/photo/fotoreportazh/istrebiteli-su-30sm-v-zabaykale-treniruyutsya-blizhnemu-vozdushnomu-boyu/



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