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Su-30 for Russian Air Force
medo- Posts : 4342
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medo- Posts : 4342
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Armed with some missiles. Still R-27 missiles.
medo- Posts : 4342
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Interesting color scheme on under side.
GarryB- Posts : 38766
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The R-27 has been the standard medium range IR and radar guided AAM of the last two decades... it would be cheaper than an R-77 and available in stocks and with the rather more powerful new radars fitted to these aircraft having an SARH missile is not such a problem.
Mike E- Posts : 2619
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- Post n°320
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Yep, R-27 is still both a versatile and capable missile despite its age. - What will replace it? The Morfei has too short range etc.GarryB wrote:The R-27 has been the standard medium range IR and radar guided AAM of the last two decades... it would be cheaper than an R-77 and available in stocks and with the rather more powerful new radars fitted to these aircraft having an SARH missile is not such a problem.
medo- Posts : 4342
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R-27 is still good for peace time air patrols and air exercises. But for planes like Su-30SM and Su-35 equipped with Bars-R or Irbis radar, this old missile is practically degrading their combat capabilities and they need in their armament more capable missiles as RVV-AE (R-77 type) and RVV-BD (R-37 type) missiles to exploit their capabilities in full. New planes simply need new armament and crews have to become familiar with them.
Mike E- Posts : 2619
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You raise a great point.... Newer missiles should belong to more advanced aircraft that can completely utilize them, and older missiles should......medo wrote:R-27 is still good for peace time air patrols and air exercises. But for planes like Su-30SM and Su-35 equipped with Bars-R or Irbis radar, this old missile is practically degrading their combat capabilities and they need in their armament more capable missiles as RVV-AE (R-77 type) and RVV-BD (R-37 type) missiles to exploit their capabilities in full. New planes simply need new armament and crews have to become familiar with them.
medo- Posts : 4342
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Mike E wrote:You raise a great point.... Newer missiles should belong to more advanced aircraft that can completely utilize them, and older missiles should......medo wrote:R-27 is still good for peace time air patrols and air exercises. But for planes like Su-30SM and Su-35 equipped with Bars-R or Irbis radar, this old missile is practically degrading their combat capabilities and they need in their armament more capable missiles as RVV-AE (R-77 type) and RVV-BD (R-37 type) missiles to exploit their capabilities in full. New planes simply need new armament and crews have to become familiar with them.
They don't need to place on planes new real missiles, but they have to use new missiles training rounds. For air patrols and life firing exercises they could still use old R-27, which they have in stocks.
Mike E- Posts : 2619
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That is what I *should* of said.medo wrote:Mike E wrote:You raise a great point.... Newer missiles should belong to more advanced aircraft that can completely utilize them, and older missiles should......medo wrote:R-27 is still good for peace time air patrols and air exercises. But for planes like Su-30SM and Su-35 equipped with Bars-R or Irbis radar, this old missile is practically degrading their combat capabilities and they need in their armament more capable missiles as RVV-AE (R-77 type) and RVV-BD (R-37 type) missiles to exploit their capabilities in full. New planes simply need new armament and crews have to become familiar with them.
They don't need to place on planes new real missiles, but they have to use new missiles training rounds. For air patrols and life firing exercises they could still use old R-27, which they have in stocks.
eridan- Posts : 187
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I can't find any info from reliable websites (producers, exporters, users, etc) about new batches of r27 missiles, designed in 2000s or later, and produced and fielded since. for r-73 and r-77 there ARE news about new batches and versions, making the whole question even more peculiar.
Perhaps it's possible the fielded r27s are still 1980s designs that are continually being refurbished, but are otherwise technologically some 25+ years old.
Perhaps it's possible the fielded r27s are still 1980s designs that are continually being refurbished, but are otherwise technologically some 25+ years old.
Mike E- Posts : 2619
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Go here: https://www.russiadefence.net/t2609-how-many-types-of-r-27eridan wrote:I can't find any info from reliable websites (producers, exporters, users, etc) about new batches of r27 missiles, designed in 2000s or later, and produced and fielded since. for r-73 and r-77 there ARE news about new batches and versions, making the whole question even more peculiar.
Perhaps it's possible the fielded r27s are still 1980s designs that are continually being refurbished, but are otherwise technologically some 25+ years old.
Either way there are still plenty of advanced variants, and even the original still does its job well. Heck, the US still uses the 60's designed Sparrow!
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R-27 is still good for peace time air patrols and air exercises.
Real weapons have a very restricted life period on the pylon, so it doesn't make sense to take up the latest and the best unless you are training to fire a new missile specifically. Older missiles near their expiry make rather more sense as they need to be disposed of anyway and you are still firing a real missile rather than just a simulation.
But for planes like Su-30SM and Su-35 equipped with Bars-R or Irbis radar, this old missile is practically degrading their combat capabilities and they need in their armament more capable missiles as RVV-AE (R-77 type) and RVV-BD (R-37 type) missiles to exploit their capabilities in full.
Actually I would disagree there as the R-27E models had extended effective range and a variety of guidance options that make them different enough from R-77 and indeed R-37M to be useful... especially in the context of training where the missile wont make it home anyway.
New planes simply need new armament and crews have to become familiar with them.
Using real weapons 95% of the time with the real weapon 5% of the time is normally good enough.
Perhaps it's possible the fielded r27s are still 1980s designs that are continually being refurbished, but are otherwise technologically some 25+ years old.
All the more reason to stop coddling them and wasting money keeping them in stocks, and to instead use them widely for training so pilots get experience and old stocks get used up.
medo- Posts : 4342
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http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/53348/
From Irkut aircraft factory. Nice pictures.
From Irkut aircraft factory. Nice pictures.
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Nice
Regiment of the Eastern Military District received two Su-30M2
Regiment of the Eastern Military District received two Su-30M2
medo- Posts : 4342
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Viktor wrote:Nice
Regiment of the Eastern Military District received two Su-30M2
http://smitsmitty.livejournal.com/163346.html
Some pictures of those 2 new Su-30M2. They are blue 42 and 43.
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Viktor wrote:Nice
Regiment of the Eastern Military District received two Su-30M2
so we have 14 su-30m2 in total delivered, out of 20 that have been ordered in overall
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Russia's Irkut to Deliver 60 Combat Jets to Russian Military in 2015: Company
MOSCOW, October 13 (RIA Novosti) - Russia's Irkut aircraft maker will deliver 30 Su-family fighter jets and 30 Yak-130 combat trainers to the Russian Armed Forces, the company said Monday.
"The year 2015 will be a record-setting year for us as we will deliver 60 aircraft, including 30 of the Su-family and 30 Yaks," head of Irkut, Oleg Demchenko, said in an interview with Rossiya-24 television.
The company is expected to deliver 54 combat jets to the Russian military by the end of 2014.
MOSCOW, October 13 (RIA Novosti) - Russia's Irkut aircraft maker will deliver 30 Su-family fighter jets and 30 Yak-130 combat trainers to the Russian Armed Forces, the company said Monday.
"The year 2015 will be a record-setting year for us as we will deliver 60 aircraft, including 30 of the Su-family and 30 Yaks," head of Irkut, Oleg Demchenko, said in an interview with Rossiya-24 television.
The company is expected to deliver 54 combat jets to the Russian military by the end of 2014.
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George1 wrote:Russia's Irkut to Deliver 60 Combat Jets to Russian Military in 2015: Company
MOSCOW, October 13 (RIA Novosti) - Russia's Irkut aircraft maker will deliver 30 Su-family fighter jets and 30 Yak-130 combat trainers to the Russian Armed Forces, the company said Monday.
"The year 2015 will be a record-setting year for us as we will deliver 60 aircraft, including 30 of the Su-family and 30 Yaks," head of Irkut, Oleg Demchenko, said in an interview with Rossiya-24 television.
The company is expected to deliver 54 combat jets to the Russian military by the end of 2014.
This is better than what I expect for Irkut to deliver next year (24 to 26 Su-30SM planes max.). This will most probably be 24 Su-30SM for full regiment for RuAF and 6 Su-30SM to equip fill squadron for RuNAVY in Eysk.
When I look more on pictures of Su-30 planes, I find something interesting. Su-30SM have the same round data link antennas as Su-35, which seems to be newer more capable complex.
Su-30M2 have similar square data link antenna as Su-27SM.
Export Su-30MKK or Su-30MK2 have similar square data link antennas.
More interesting is, that Indian, Malaysian and Algerian Su-30MKI, SU-30MKM and Su-30KMA doesn't have data link antennas. Any idea, why they are without them?
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A composite regiment operating Su-30SM jets came on duty in Transbaikal
Russian Aviaton » Tuesday October 21, 2014 01:21 MSK
A composite regiment operating Su-30SM fighters has come on duty in Transbaikal. Its objective is to protect the area located near the state border and stretching from Baikal to Amur, ITAR-TASS reports with reference to the head of press-service of Eastern Military District, Colonel Alexnader Gordeev.
"10 fighter elements will come on duty and protect the airspace", - Gordeev added.
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Su-30SM is the 4++-generation multi-role super-maneuverable fighter able to attack five ground and air targets simultaneously and track up to 15 targets. The fighters operated by this regiment have taken part in recent Vostok-2014 maneuvers and performed missions above the Sea of Japan and the Sea of Okhotsk, in Primorski Krai, Kamchatka and Kuril Islands, the Colonel noted.
Russian Aviaton » Tuesday October 21, 2014 01:21 MSK
A composite regiment operating Su-30SM fighters has come on duty in Transbaikal. Its objective is to protect the area located near the state border and stretching from Baikal to Amur, ITAR-TASS reports with reference to the head of press-service of Eastern Military District, Colonel Alexnader Gordeev.
"10 fighter elements will come on duty and protect the airspace", - Gordeev added.
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Su-30SM is the 4++-generation multi-role super-maneuverable fighter able to attack five ground and air targets simultaneously and track up to 15 targets. The fighters operated by this regiment have taken part in recent Vostok-2014 maneuvers and performed missions above the Sea of Japan and the Sea of Okhotsk, in Primorski Krai, Kamchatka and Kuril Islands, the Colonel noted.
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George1 wrote:A composite regiment operating Su-30SM jets came on duty in Transbaikal
Russian Aviaton » Tuesday October 21, 2014 01:21 MSK
A composite regiment operating Su-30SM fighters has come on duty in Transbaikal. Its objective is to protect the area located near the state border and stretching from Baikal to Amur, ITAR-TASS reports with reference to the head of press-service of Eastern Military District, Colonel Alexnader Gordeev.
"10 fighter elements will come on duty and protect the airspace", - Gordeev added.
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Su-30SM is the 4++-generation multi-role super-maneuverable fighter able to attack five ground and air targets simultaneously and track up to 15 targets. The fighters operated by this regiment have taken part in recent Vostok-2014 maneuvers and performed missions above the Sea of Japan and the Sea of Okhotsk, in Primorski Krai, Kamchatka and Kuril Islands, the Colonel noted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBqO211MF40
Here is a video of Domna regiment accepted in combat duty.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUha24cpKZU#t=303
Su-30SM flying in formation over Krasnoyarsk.
Su-30SM flying in formation over Krasnoyarsk.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrEah7GOPJk
Nice video from the back sit of Su-30M2.
Nice video from the back sit of Su-30M2.
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4 new Su-30M2/SM delivered
Far pilots receive new Su-30cm and Su-30M2
Far pilots receive new Su-30cm and Su-30M2
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Viktor wrote:4 new Su-30M2/SM delivered
Far pilots receive new Su-30cm and Su-30M2
I find this information quite interesting as those 2 Su-30M2 are supposed to go to Belbek air base in Crimea.
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George1 wrote:Su-30SM is the 4++-generation multi-role super-maneuverable fighter able to attack five ground and air targets simultaneously and track up to 15 targets.
I am venturing to guess that the Russian domestic version is therefore different from the ones that they export to Vietnam, China, India among other countries because these export models do not have holographic HUD & LANTIRN, apart from AESA radars, making it almost impossible for these aircraft to undertake terrain-hugging flights something that the F-15E, Typhoon and Rafael can do very easily.
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