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    China artfully steals Russia's land

    Post  AbsoluteZero on Sun May 01, 2011 7:31 am





    China is trying to change its borders with Russia again. Spokesmen for the Border Service Agency of the Federal Security Bureau said that, on April 13 and 14 Chinese vessels and barges with excavators aboard were conducting dredging operations in the area of the 146th kilometer of the Ussuri River. The same works were conducted on April 17, in the area of the 215th kilometer of the Ussuri River, in the Khabarovsk region, Russia.

    The Chinese vessels unloaded the excavated soil on other parts of the river, which may also change the watercourse of the border river, Russian official said.

    The above-mentioned activities were conducted without Russia's agreement, which violated the inter-governmental border agreement between the two countries.

    Such reports arrive from the Far East of Russia on a regular basis, almost every year. Every time when it happens, Russia asks for explanations, but China leaves Russian inquiries ignored.

    Moscow handed over the islands on the Amur River near the city of Khabarovsk under China's control in an attempt to solve the territorial dispute with the Celestial Empire once and for all. China has not set any territorial claims to Russia yet, but it just so happens that the country is trying to do it in an artful way.

    Is China planning anything? Does it mean that Beijing is not going to forget a million of square kilometers of the land, which the country lost as a result of unfair agreements with tsarist Russia?


    Eugene Khakimullin, an expert for China, believes that there is nothing terrible happening.

    "China has been doing that for decades. No one can claim that the country has moved the border for kilometers from its original location. China is not trying to conquer Russia's Far East like that. However, China has not refused from such actions after the demarcation of the border in 2005. As a result of the demarcation, Russia lost Tarabarov's island, the western part of the Large Ussuri island and some other smaller islands.

    "The economic expansion of China is much more dangerous. The country is now planning to build a large and city and a port on Amur, in close vicinity to the Russian border. Fuyuan - the city and the port - will appear only 20 kilometers far from Khabarovsk. Fuyuan is going to bear the status of the free economic zone. If so, the population of the city may grow considerably in just several years. The center of economic activities will move to the Chinese side. The residents of Khabarovsk are looking forward to the opening of the airport. Once the airport is open, the people will be able to travel to China directly and avoid speculative prices.

    "Chinese businessmen will obviously have interests on the Russian side. The economies of the two border cities will penetrate into each other deeply. It would definitely be a very positive phenomenon. However, Khabarovsk is the capital of Russia's huge Far Eastern federal region. The territory of this region is larger than that of the European Union. Russia may eventually lose its sovereignty over the Far East," the specialist said.

    Alexander Khramchikhin, first deputy director of the Institute of Political and Military Analysis, also thinks that one should not take the situation too dramatically.

    "They can't move the border for 600 kilometers, like that. But, many a little makes a mickle. If they do it every year, the territorial losses may eventually become serious. One should also bear in mind the fact that China may win Russia's strategic islands as a result of its works on the riverbed. It is possible to do it if they change the river flow artificially, excavating the soil and then unloading it where needed.

    "Beijing has not given up on the attempts to change the riverbed of border rivers. It means that China follows its ancient tradition observing treaties as long as they are profitable for the country. Thus, China openly demonstrates that the territorial problem with Russia has not been solved.

    "As experience shows, in such cases China usually chooses the tactics of silence. Instead of negotiations, the country simply continues to do what it needs to do. I am not sure that Russia will be willing to ruin its relations with China over small islands, even though they are strategically important. It is ridiculous to discuss this problem at the UN too. China, as a member of the Security Council, will simply veto the discussion.

    "For the time being, we can only watch China stealing territories from Russia - the territories, which China considers its own. China is desperate for new territories, and the country will be trying to get them from all of its neighbors," the expert said.



    http://english.pravda.ru/russia/politics/27-04-2011/117716-china_russia-0/

    How serious is the situation and what steps are being taken by the government to stop this apparent Chinese expansion on the region?

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    Re: China artfully steals Russia's land

    Post  GarryB on Tue May 31, 2011 6:50 am

    There is nothing China can do that Russia cannot do too.

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    Re: China artfully steals Russia's land

    Post  nightcrawler on Fri Jun 10, 2011 2:50 am

    I don't know why China keep insulting Russians & the vice versa. These two are mightiest in the East & until & unless they go in parallel with unity & good-will they will be taken by US ever increasing strength namely NATO. lOOK at their unity in the face of F-35, in the development of EF-2000...something similar isn't going in our East because we are too busy in jealousy & honor gain

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    Re: China artfully steals Russia's land

    Post  GarryB on Fri Jun 10, 2011 7:38 am

    Sadly you could say that for any two countries... things would be much better if people stopped focusing on differences and problems, and looked at what makes us the same.

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    Re: China artfully steals Russia's land

    Post  Pervius on Fri Jun 10, 2011 10:34 am


    """""There is nothing China can do that Russia cannot do too.""""""


    The US has allied up with China to topple Russia (the world).

    China will likely get the first 10 years of resources out of Russia..and most of it's land.

    America can give Chinese leaders Ferrari's and Lamborghini's....Russia...no can't do that.



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    Re: China artfully steals Russia's land

    Post  GarryB on Fri Jun 10, 2011 11:46 am

    China is no friend of Russia but they both have the US as a powerful force that is keen to keep both countries in their place... ie down.

    The US used the Chinese during the cold war against the Russians and were fairly successful at it.

    The problem is that now the US has created a monster in the Chinese and only now are they realising they have no real control of that monster.


    Note I am not suggesting the Chinese people are monsters or dangerous, I am of course referring to governments.

    The amusing thing is that the Cold War was supposed to be a fight against communism and the west was quick to declare an end to the cold war when the Soviet Union collapsed yet they retained good relations with communist China.

    Just evidence if any was needed that it really had nothing to do with politics... Russia is still the bad guy no matter what their political system because they are a threat... a potential equal rival... and still are.

    To join the west then they will have to learn their own interests are not as important as the interests of the US.

    I doubt the Russians will ever be agreeable to that... and the Chinese wont either.... hence their future is always to clash with the west until the west changes and breaks up.

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    Re: China artfully steals Russia's land

    Post  Pervius on Tue Jun 21, 2011 4:45 pm

    """The problem is that now the US has created a monster in the Chinese and only now are they realising they have no real control of that monster."""

    The US has 100% control of China. They've had many decades to get people in there and have poured Trillions into that country. If some Chinese Officer is plotting anything against the US, the US knows all about it and is taking actions against that officer to prevent it.

    China isn't a sovereign country. It can't make it's own decisions on anything.

    www.x-rates.com/d/CNY/USD/graph120.html

    Their own currency is being used against them right now to straighten them up. US tightens its belt and doesn't give money/jobs to it's own people so they can buy Chinese crap....all tools to control the Chinese.

    They play ball or they will have a problem dealing with their people.

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    Re: China artfully steals Russia's land

    Post  GarryB on Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:01 am

    You are saying the rape victim controls the rapist... the rape victim has what the rapist wants.

    The US has no control over China.

    China shoots down one of its own satellites during tests of a new weapon system.

    Who could such a thing be directed at?

    Who depends on satellites?

    The US.

    At the time it was described as a reckless act that will only increase the debris problems in orbit.

    A few months later the US shot down a satellite of their own as a demonstration they could do the same.

    Two demonstrations of power... you don't get that between dominator and victim because the victim has no power.

    The US is still whining that the Chinese currency is too low and needs to be adjusted to suit the US.

    The Chinese are refusing to change the value of their currency.

    US companies producing products and investing in China is not US government policy. It is greedy US companies getting out of a lot of taxes and saving money on wages and protecting themselves from being sued by injured workers in the US by making stuff in other countries. They have done it for decades.

    The reality is that the US needs China more than China needs the US.

    If the US leaves China China has enough factories and know how to continue making a lot of material that will sell and the offer of big money will attract the right individuals to go there and continue to improve and develop Chinas industries.

    China has a huge number of problems, but the fear that the US will isolate them is now very unlikely.

    The model used to work so that the western countries would go into a very poor country and pay people $5 a week to work long hours with none of the social protections western workers get. If they die or quit then there are plenty to take their place.

    Gradually however standards improve with the influx of western money and wages and conditions improve and eventually they start getting expensive and the western "investers" move on. They find another poor country where they can bribe officials and get cheap local labour. As China shows it doesn't matter if the locals are in a commie country or a dictatorship. It is better that it is not a democracy with a free press because poor working conditions and low pay is what they want.
    When the western businesses leave the locals can do a few things. They can go back to where they were... which no one wants. They can start up the factories again and produce their own stuff, which most do. They don't have the international connections or market access that the big western companies have but they are competing on the black market with the next poor country with their new factories making largely the same products.
    Sometimes that poor or wrecked country does something more. South Korea and Japan are two very good examples of countries that went from cheap crap to quality products, but both had the support, or at least didn't have the US trying to stop them.

    The point is that when Western companies went in to poor countries these countries needed outside money to grow and that money came from the west which tended to make money on the growth and could use the money lending as a political control on that country in the UN etc. China doesn't need western money... it needs open access to resources and energy.

    Which country offers the best solution for China?

    Russia or the US?
    The US has high tech but resources and energy to help China grow is lacking a little because they want resources and energy for themselves.
    Russia has plenty of resources and energy but could use more money...

    China is not stupid though and will not simply jump into Russias arms because it is generally more productive to play potential allies against each other to get the best deals.

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