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    Russian arms supplies to Syria:

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    Post  GarryB Wed Dec 21, 2011 9:38 pm

    The missiles are already in Syria.

    Even if an Israeli group boarded a Russian transport vessel delivering Yakhonts what are they going to do.

    These weapons are legal and are not being smuggled.

    Israel has no right to take them, and if they did that would be an act of piracy, for which all Israeli vessels involved could be sunk.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Dec 22, 2011 3:05 am

    Any Russian transports delivering weapons to Syria have no need to go anywhere near Israeli waters, therefore any request by Israeli boats to inspect her cargo in international waters that lead to the seizure of legal items would be an illegal act that would likely result in Russian military vessels sinking Israeli vessels in the worst case scenario, but more likely the seizure of the Israeli vessel vessel involved with the crew and captain on charges of piracy.

    From memory the rules in that regard are pretty old and fairly draconian... sink their vessel and make them walk the plank is one option the Russian navy has already used on Somali pirates.

    I rather doubt the USS Bush ran away from the Yakhonts, what they moved them away for is to avoid a confrontation because although it will benefit the US a lot if Assads moderate Shia regime could be replaced by a radical sunni pro Saudi, but MUCH MORE IMPORTANTLY ANTI IRANIAN government, the benefits don't outweigh a conflict with Russia.

    The USS Bush was an attempt to call Russias bluff. Russias decision to send the Kuznetsov and to deliver the Yakhonts was the Russians putting a winning hand of cards on the table.

    With two Yakhont batteries the Syrians can defend a 1,200km stretch of beach from landing forces and up to 250km or so out to sea from those beaches, though they will likely be positioned near Tartus to defend the Russian Navy base there.

    It is easy for the Israeli navy to look tough stopping civilian vessels and brutalising and killing largely unarmed people, but I rather doubt they would try the same stuff with the crew on board a Russian navy vessel.

    The Russians wont turn a blind eye to a USS Liberty type incident.
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    Post  Russian Patriot Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:57 pm

    Russia to Sell 36 Yak-130 Jets to Syria

    RIA Novosti

    13:04 23/01/2012

    MOSCOW, January 23 (RIA Novosti) - Russia and Syria have signed a $550-million contract on the delivery of 36 Yakovlev Yak-130 Mitten combat trainer, the Kommersant daily quoted on Monday a source close to Russia’s state arms exporter Rosoboronexport as saying.

    Under the deal struck in late December, the jets are to be supplied to Syria once Damascus makes a prepayment, the source said.

    A source in the aircraft production industry told the newspaper the aircraft construction company Irkut is able to produce the jets for Syria in a relatively short time.

    Contacted by RIA Novosti, both Rosoboronexport and Irkut declined to comment.

    Analysts say the contract is “risky” given the worsening satiation in Syria and the growing international pressure on President Bashar al-Assad over his crackdown on protesters.

    Ruslan Pukhov, who heads the Moscow-based Center for Analysis of Stategies and Technologies, said the contract was “certainly a big success of Russia’s leaders and arms traders.” But it’s clear, he said, that “the international community, led by the United States, has made a decision to crush Bashar al-Assad’s regime, and this may lead to the contract being disrupted and Russia suffering image and financial losses.”

    The contract was apparently signed when the situation in Syria was “not as dramatic as it is now,” Pukhov said, adding that getting the Russian jets has likely lost its relevance for Damascus.

    “The Yak-130 plane is superfluous for attacking insurgents – these goals can be served by cheaper planes,” the analyst said. At the same time, he said, the jet cannot endure air battles with Israeli, Turkish, or Western coalition’s aircraft, should a military conflict erupt in Syria.

    Russia has opposed international sanctions, including an arms embargo, against Syria, where the death toll from clashes between protesters and government troops has reached 5,400, according to the United Nations.

    Earlier this month, the United States expressed concerns over weapons deliveries to Damascus following media reports about a Russian ship loaded with arms docking in the Syrian port of Tartus.

    Without explicitly confirming the report of the arms shipment, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said last week Russia was not going to justify its actions before the West because it was not violating “any international agreements or any [UN] Security Council resolutions.”

    “We are only trading items with Syria that are not banned by international law,” he said.


    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/syria/2012/syria-120123-rianovosti02.htm
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    Post  Viktor Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:52 am

    Yakhont and BUK-M2 delivered and MIG-29M and YAK-130 in preparations.
    Now they need get rid of those pesky terrorists and its all good to go.
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    Post  George1 Fri May 04, 2012 3:09 pm

    Russia Sells Syria Yak-130 Light Fighters

    Russia and Syria have signed a $550-million contract on the delivery of 36 Yakovlev Yak-130 Mitten combat trainer, the Kommersant daily reported Monday.

    The report quoted a source close to Russia’s state arms exporter Rosoboronexport who indicated the aerospace company Irkut would produce the jets for Syria in the coming months.

    Both Rosoboronexport and Irkut declined to comment on the deall. However, the source said that under the deal, struck in December,the jets are to be supplied to Syria once Damascus makes an initial deposit on the deal, the source said.

    Analysts say the contract is “risky” given the worsening satiation in Syria and the growing international pressure on President Bashar al-Assad over his crackdown on protesters.

    Ruslan Pukhov, who heads the Moscow-based Center for Analysis of Stategies and Technologies, told RIA Movosti the contract was “certainly a big success of Russia’s leaders and arms traders.”

    However, Pukhov cautioned that “the international community, led by the United States, has made a decision to crush Bashar al-Assad’s regime, and this may lead to the contract being disrupted and Russia suffering image and financial losses.”

    The contract was apparently signed when the situation in Syria was “not as dramatic as it is now,” Pukhov opined.

    Analysts say the craft would be a poor choice for fighting the growing insurgency faced by Assad's regime and is not capable of emerging victorious in air-to-air battles with Israeli, Turkish, or Western aircraft should a conventional war erupt.

    The planes are only the latest arms sale to Assad's regime by Russia. who has opposed sanctions, including an arms embargo, on Syria. Russia, which has billions invested in Syrian trade and contracts, recently sold the advanced S-300 anti-aircraft missile system to Damascus.

    Earlier this month, the United States expressed concerns over weapons deliveries to Damascus following media reports about a Russian ship loaded with arms docking in the Syrian port of Tartus.

    The official civilian death toll in Assad's nearly year-long crackdown on dissidents has risen to 5,400, according to United Nations human rights officials. Assad's regime says some 2,000 security personnel have also been killed by armed insurgents - mostly comprised of army defectors.

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/152018#.T6O4vlJuUcY
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    Post  George1 Sun Jun 10, 2012 12:24 am

    Russian Arms for Syria No Threat to Protesters - Lavrov

    Russia is completing deliveries of air defense weapons to Syria under contracts concluded earlier and is not supplying any arms that can be used against protesters, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Saturday.

    Representatives of Human Rights First, a U.S.-based advocacy group, announced in late May that a Russian ship allegedly carrying weapons had docked at the Syrian port of Tartus, which hosts a Russian naval base.

    “We are not supplying the Syrian government with arms that even an overwrought imagination could suppose are being used against peaceful protesters,” Lavrov said.

    Syria is one of Russia’s major weapons clients, and Moscow has opposed proposals for an arms embargo on Damascus.

    “We are completing the implementation of contracts signed and pre-paid long ago on deliveries of air defense weapons that could be used only if Syria is subjected to military intervention from abroad. We are not delivering anything else,” Lavrov said.

    Russia has supplied Syria with Bastion coastal missile systems with Yakhont cruise missiles and Buk surface-to-air missile systems under a contract signed in 2007.

    The top Russian diplomat said that in contrast to Moscow “our U.S. colleagues are supplying countries of the Persian Gulf region with the very type of arms that could be used against peaceful demonstrators."

    Lavrov’s words echo last week’s statement of President Vladimir Putin, who during the meeting with German Chancellor Angela Merkel opposed information that Russian arms supplied to Syria might be used against protesters.

    According to UN estimates, about 10,000 people have been killed in Syria since the beginning of a popular uprising against President Bashar al-Assad in March 2011, which started with peaceful protests but have since grown increasingly militarized.

    http://en.rian.ru/world/20120609/173941569.html
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    Post  GarryB Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:33 am

    “We are not supplying the Syrian government with arms that even an overwrought imagination could suppose are being used against peaceful protesters,” Lavrov said.

    Lets not beat around the bush... lets be honest... there are no peaceful protests in Syria, their is a Sunni insurrection trying to overthrow the moderate regime of Assad.

    If the opposition gets into power it will be by force because the Sunnis believe in democracy like Hitler and Stalin did...
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    Post  Viktor Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:11 am

    Well here is final confirmation that Iskander system is NOT being delivered to Syria as there is no contract

    ANATOLY ISAIKIN 02/13/13: RUSSIA NOT TO SUPPLY SYRIA TACTICAL MISSILE COMPLEXES "ISKANDER"
    February 13 2013.

        ITAR-TASS . Russia not to supply Syria tactical missile complexes "Iskander" contracts for their supply is not present. The statement was made ​​Director General of "Rosoboronexport" Anatoly Isaikin a press conference at the press center of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

        "The total volume of Russian exports of military goods Syria takes place 13-14" - said General Director of "Rosoboronexport". He called a "complete nonsense" about allegedly perpetrated by Russia supplying Syria tactical missile complexes "Iskander". "No," Iskander "we have supplied Syria, no contracts to supply them we do not" - said Isaikin.

        He confirmed that most of Russia to supply Syria under earlier contracts air defenses, but did not specify which ones.
    http://www.itar-tass.com/
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    Post  nemrod Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:09 pm

    http://www.sana-syria.com/eng/22/2013/02/14/467212.htm



    MOSCOW, (SANA) – A Russian military source said Syria received a batch of anti-aircraft missiles and Panzer-C1 air defense systems at the beginning of the current year.

    The source said that the air defense systems were delivered in accordance with signed contracts between the two countries, pointing out that these systems were shipped to Syria by sea.

    Anatoly Isaykin, Director of the Russian Rosoboronexport Firm, stressed that technical military cooperation with Syria is progressing under international law, indicating that his country exported air defense systems to Syria according to signed contracts.

    Panzer-C1 air defense systems are highly accurate that could target all current and future air attack means available at an altitudeof 20 kilo meters high.

    The speed of each missile is 1300 meters per second, as the system allows striking four targets at once. It also could hit land and marine targets, and is to direct its fire from mobile and fixed sites.

    R. Milhem / H. Said
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    Post  GarryB Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:55 am

    In peace time it would take a year or two to master such a system, in the current conditions I suspect it will be interesting to see if they can get it to perform properly.

    Such systems are very reliant on the tactics used and the quality of the people using it.
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    Post  Viktor Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:44 pm

    By the end of this year all 36 Pancir-S1 will be delivered.

    Then is up to Syrian army to use them as they know best.
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    Post  nemrod Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:50 pm

    GarryB wrote:In peace time it would take a year or two to master such a system, in the current conditions I suspect it will be interesting to see if they can get it to perform properly.

    Such systems are very reliant on the tactics used and the quality of the people using it.

    U must be very well aware about russian's hardwares. I have no doubt about the quality of this weapon, however du to nearly two years gang's terrorist harassment against the national syrian army. I doubt that Syria can still afford to handle itself this sophisticated weaponry. Do not forget several that at least 15.000 syrian soldiers were dead against the gang-terrorists, and Syria is dived in horrible civil war.

    Hence, I suspect this task will be assigned to russian's staff in Syria.

    If there was not Russia's help, the gangsters mafia terrorists of Free Syrian Army, would be in Damascus, in order to allow USA to end up their Great Middle East's diabolic plan.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:37 pm

    I suspect with much newer electronics and modern displays and controls these systems will be much easier to operate and maintain than previous models, but again in a civil war context they might have problems.
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    Post  flamming_python Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:00 am

    The Pantsir is one system that's able to fend for itself; or rather - provide some serious fire support to neighbouring squads should it come under attack.

    Of course if you park it somewhere in a city or whatever, the advantage would be lost.
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    Post  MIG31 Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:33 pm

    nemrod wrote:http://www.sana-syria.com/eng/22/2013/02/14/467212.htm



    MOSCOW, (SANA) – A Russian military source said Syria received a batch of anti-aircraft missiles and Panzer-C1 air defense systems at the beginning of the current year.

    The source said that the air defense systems were delivered in accordance with signed contracts between the two countries, pointing out that these systems were shipped to Syria by sea.

    Anatoly Isaykin, Director of the Russian Rosoboronexport Firm, stressed that technical military cooperation with Syria is progressing under international law, indicating that his country exported air defense systems to Syria according to signed contracts.

    Panzer-C1 air defense systems are highly accurate that could target all current and future air attack means available at an altitudeof 20 kilo meters high.

    The speed of each missile is 1300 meters per second, as the system allows striking four targets at once. It also could hit land and marine targets, and is to direct its fire from mobile and fixed sites.

    R. Milhem / H. Said


    I thought that Syria already has some Pantsir systems in their army arsenal, bought few years ago Suspect
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    Post  Austin Sat Mar 02, 2013 6:45 pm

    Russian Arms Trade Czar Says "War" Declared on Weapon Supplies to Syria

    Russia is facing a ‘real war’ aimed at hampering the country’s legal deliveries of weapons to Syria, the head of the Federal Service for Military and Technical Cooperation has said.

    “A real war has been declared against us,” Alexander Fomin told Ekho Moskvy radio on Friday without specifying who has declared the war.

    “The [Russian] ships are lured into ports and arrested there under various devised pretexts. When the ships are at sea, any insurance is canceled,” Fomin said adding that any attempts to deliver the contracted goods are being thwarted.

    Russia earlier said it will continue selling weapons to Damascus observing both international law and bilateral obligations, while some western countries are pushing for an embargo on Russian arms supplies to Syria, the largest importer of Russian weapons in the Middle East.
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    Post  Viktor Sat Mar 02, 2013 6:54 pm

    Too pathetic from the west. Can not get over its little plan with Syria as things are not going as they thought they would.
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    Post  Viktor Thu May 09, 2013 6:49 pm

    Situation slightly reminds of the situation with Iran as Iran also ordered one full regiment consisting of 5 batteries

    for 800 million $. Syrian order is little larger but still with great impact on the region specially together with BUK-M2 and

    Pancir-S1.



    Shipments of missiles to Syria could destabilize Israel - Kerry


    John Kerry commented that appears in the media about the fact that Damascus allegedly paid the delivery of a Russian air defense systems S-300, the transfer of which the Syrian side could take place in the near future.


    ROME, May 9 - RIA Novosti, Natalia Shmakova. sale Syrian missiles could be a destabilizing factor for the security of Israel, said on Thursday the U.S. Secretary of State, John Kerry, commenting on the recent media information that Damascus allegedly paid the delivery of a Russian air defense systems S- 300, the transfer of which the Syrian side could take place in the near future.

    "Previously, we stated that the missiles are a potentially destabilizing factor, especially for Israel" - Kerry said at a joint press conference in Rome with Italian Foreign Minister Emma Bonino.

    However, he stressed that for its part the United States would prefer that Russia did not provide military aid to the regime of Bashar al-Assad.

    The newspaper Wall Street Journal on Thursday wrote that the Israeli authorities have warned the United States that Damascus allegedly began paying supplies from Russia six launchers and 144 missiles, the contract is estimated at $ 900 million. The agreement on the deal, according to the newspaper, was reached in 2010, and Syria recently made ​​its first payment for its execution.

    Earlier, the Russian Foreign Ministry has repeatedly stated that Russia completes delivery to Syria under the contract of air defense systems, but does not supply any weapons that could be used against the civilian population.



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    Post  Viktor Wed May 15, 2013 12:30 pm

    Could get interesting in the coming months if something is not lost in the translation.

    If someone pays subscription - post article in full.

    Putin explained to Netanyahu why Russia shipping S-300 missiles to Syria - Kremlin spokesman


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    Post  Sujoy Wed May 15, 2013 6:31 pm

    Viktor wrote:Could get interesting in the coming months if something is not lost in the translation.

    If someone pays subscription - post article in full.

    Sorry Viktor , the subscription link is not working at my end . That said I found something similar that has been published today by Alexey Eremenko in RIA Novosti

    If fresh media reports are true, Russia, Syria’s longtime supplier of military equipment, may soon provide Damascus – or already has – with advanced S-300 air defense systems, tipping the balance in the devastating 26-month conflict in the Middle Eastern country. But the “if” is a big one.
    The missile batteries would give Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s regime a powerful weapon against foreign air strikes – one of the options being bounced around as a form of international intervention – and could fracture the fragile accord on Syria reached last week between Moscow and Washington, which hope to get the warring sides to negotiate.

    But verifiable information about the S-300 deal is desperately scant: Was there a deal at all? What did it cover? Has any part of it been implemented? For now, what we know about the S-300 saga, from its origins to its implications, has been based on disappearing documents, anonymous sources, rumors, approximations and misunderstandings.
    Here, RIA Novosti tries to unravel the mess and answer some of the big questions.

    - Is there really a deal to sell Russian S-300 systems to Syria? How do we know?
    Technically, it’s all hearsay. The only solid piece of evidence was a 2011 annual report by S-300’s manufacturer, the Nizhny Novgorod Machine Building Plant, which mentioned a contract for the missile systems for Syria. The report has since vanished from the plant’s website, but was cited by the respected Vedomosti business daily at the time as saying that the contract was worth $105 million and that an unspecified number of S-300 systems were slated for delivery between 2012 and early 2013.


    All other reports have been based on leaks by unnamed intelligence and diplomatic sources, including, most recently, in the prominent Russian daily Kommersant and the Wall Street Journal, which said last week that the deal includes four S-300 batteries and 144 missiles and has a price tag of $900 million, with deliveries to begin, possibly, by late summer. (One S-300 missile system is estimated by experts to cost some $115 million, plus $1 million or so per missile.)

    Damascus has never commented on the deal, and neither has the Russian arms export monopoly Rosoboronexport. The Russian Foreign Ministry has repeatedly said Russia is following through on existing contracts to supply defensive weapons, including air defense systems, to Syria, but never says what precisely they are. The lack of clarity leaves room for wild guesses: Maybe the S-300 deal was never in the cards. Or maybe a number of complexes have already been shipped over the past two years, as some media reports alleged in December.

    - Who decides whether the deal goes through? Can the international community or any third parties affect the sale?
    The deal is strictly between Moscow and Damascus – which is to say, it’s all in the hands of Russian President Vladimir Putin. International treaties on arms trade are few and far between, and tend to cover things like strategic weapons and cluster bombs, not air defense systems, however advanced they may be.

    Meanwhile, all attempts to ban arms sales to Syria via the UN Security Council have been blocked by Russia. Of course, there is behind-the-scenes haggling and arm-twisting, but that’s unofficial.
    - Why are the S-300s dangerous? They’ve been on the production line since 1978 – aren’t they outdated by now?
    The S-300 systems have been modernized repeatedly to remain state-of-the-art airplane- and rocket-destruction machines. The S-300PMU2 Favorit can launch six missiles at once, each capable of destroying aircraft flying at several times the maximum speed of the F-16 and F-22 fighter jets – the staples of the Israeli and US air forces, respectively – as well as intercepting ballistic targets.


    They can be suppressed or sabotaged by ground troops, but it is a tricky task. All this is to say, that the risk and cost of air attacks against Syria would rise dramatically.

    - Who are the targets?
    Not the Syrian rebels – they have no aircraft. And though you can technically reprogram the S-300 to hit ground targets, that would be akin to hammering nails with a tablet computer, given the price of $700,000 to $1.2 million per missile. However, any attempts by foreign powers to enforce a no-fly zone over Syria, as was done in Libya in 2011, would end in what Igor Korotchenko, the editor of the Moscow-based National Defense magazine, described as “dozens of destroyed aircraft and coffins covered by star-spangled banners. Unacceptable.”

    - What’s the possible time frame? How long until Assad can shoot foreign fighter jets out of the sky?
    The S-300 system deploys in five minutes – once it’s paid for, produced, tested, shipped, and manned by trained personnel. Some of this poses little problem: The Syrian government seems to have enough money in its pockets, and shipping from St. Petersburg to the Syrian port of Tartus takes about two weeks. That is, of course, provided the cargo does not get arrested in Finland, or the ship denied entry to European ports because its insurance was revoked – both true stories that happened to Russian ships reportedly carrying arms to Syria.

    Still, it would likely take a while before Damascus actually gets any missiles. The Wall Street Journal claims – citing US sources citing Israeli sources – that the shipments may begin arriving by August, while the London-based,
    Arab-language Al-Quds Al-Arabi newspaper said they are already in Syria, though still under Russian supervision. However, according to Russian arms experts, the manufacturer is unlikely to have ready-to-ship S-300 systems lying on the shelves: Whatever leftovers there were from a deal with Iran, scrapped in 2010, were long ago snatched up by other customers such as Algeria, according to Ruslan Pukhov of the Center for Analysis of Strategy and Technologies, a for-profit research group in Moscow. This means the systems would need to be produced and test launches conducted, a job that would take about a year, Pukhov said. Furthermore, dozens or even hundreds of staff would have to be trained to operate the complicated machinery, which should take about six months. This would push Assad’s most optimistic deadline of owning fully operable S-300 complexes to November at best, with spring of 2014 being a more realistic estimate.
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    Post  Cyberspec Sat May 18, 2013 7:56 am

    Seems the odds of Syria getting the S-300 have increased, judging by the flurry of reports. An interesting one is that of an ANNA correspondent (Abkhasian News Agency that reports on the Syria war) has apparently spoken to Syrian officers in Russia undergoing training on the S-300.

    Arab-American point of view...

    S-300 Air Defense: Don't Expect Russia to Stop Shipping Arms to Assad

    Syria agreed to purchase four S-300 antiaircraft missile batteries from Russia in 2010 for $900 million. The first shipment could come in three months and the final one by the end of the year. Syrian air defenses are already five times more sophisticated than Libya’s and 10 times more sophisticated than what NATO faced in Serbia.

    Full article below
    http://www.policymic.com/articles/40975/s-300-air-defense-don-t-expect-russia-to-stop-shipping-arms-to-assad

    And "Debka" the Israeli Izvestiya, claims they've already arrived in Syria

    Four Russian S-300 batteries shipped to Syria
    http://www.debka.com/newsupdate/4434/


    Viktor wrote:Could get interesting in the coming months if something is not lost in the translation.

    If someone pays subscription - post article in full.

    Putin explained to Netanyahu why Russia shipping S-300 missiles to Syria - Kremlin spokesman


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    I haven't got the original article but there is talk that Putin and Netanyahu had a "frank" discussion during which Netanyahu said Israel reserved the right to attack the S-300 sites while Putin apparently threatened to supply Syria with Iskander missiles if Israel continues it's aggressive policy
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    Post  Viktor Sat May 18, 2013 12:06 pm

    Now that it seems certain that S-300 missiles will be delivered to Syria it remains to see what type, how many and if any additional

    equipment.


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    Post  TR1 Sat May 18, 2013 9:57 pm

    Ugh, not too happy about these news.

    Should deliver S-300 to the poor Iranians though.
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    Post  Cyberspec Sun May 19, 2013 8:18 am

    Personally I think it's great news if confirmed. They should have been shipped a lot earlier actually. It would make a foreign intervention less likely and hopefully lead to meaningful talks.
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    Post  TR1 Sun May 19, 2013 8:37 am

    A few S-300 batteries won't make Syria invincible. If a well equipped enemy wants to take them out, chances they will.

    Potential bad publicity for S-300 is all I can see this ending in. As long as its S-300PM or something similarly elderly, no problem as bad though.

    Not to mention I am not amused at my tax money being used to protect Asad, but that is a whole-nother story.
    Somehow I doubt the Syrians are paying in cash, though I could be wrong.

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