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    JohninMK

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    Re: Russian arms supplies to Syria:

    Post  JohninMK on Thu Sep 10, 2015 9:16 am

    Not really news but it got into the Russian press and Sputnik today.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) – Russia supplies Syrian government forces with firearms, grenade launchers and armored personnel carriers as the country is struggling with radical ISIL militants, the Russian Kommersant daily reports citing military-technical sources. The supplies "are in accordance with international law and in line with all formalities and existing contracts [between the Russian and Syrian government]," the source told the newspaper on Thursday. The weaponry and military hardware are needed to help the Syrian army counter the advances of ISIL radicals, who have ceased vast areas in the country, the source explained, expressing confidence that the aid will significantly contribute to anti-ISIL efforts.

    According to Russian President Vladimir Putin, Russia provides "considerable" support to Syria in terms of equipment, training and weaponry.

    Russian specialists were sent to Syria to teach local armed forces to operate Russian weapons.

    On Wednesday, Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova stressed that Russian military specialists deployed in Syria are not participating in military operations in the conflict-torn country and are limited to an "advisory role."


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20150910/1026805286.html#ixzz3lKDfkYN6
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    Post  d_taddei2 on Tue Sep 15, 2015 12:03 am

    sepheronx wrote:More BMP's and add in technical engineers with older T-55/62 tanks and convert them to heavy IFV's to make them effective. Maybe helicopters too and Su-25's and 24's.  Syria needs what they can get.  I think it is high time too to build a wall, separating syrian army controlled areas from the rest. And any pockets of resistence inbetween, deal with them.

    Russia needs to send more to help Syria.


    I back what you say, Russia has abundance of T-62, T-64, and T-72 that they could send to Syria top this up with BMP-1, BMP-2, MT-LB, BTR 60,70,80, and other wheeled armour Tigr, Typhoon etc, and  theSyrian armed forces will be in a much better position. Russia also has loads of field artillery 122mm, 152mm, and 2S1, 2S3, and BM-21 that it could send, they also have a lot of older guns like T-12, BS-3, D-44, D-48, and M-46 that they could get rid of all of this stuff is just sitting around gathering dust, most of which the Syrian army would need little to no training on.

    back all this up with AT-4, AT-5, AT-3, ZSU23-2, ZPU-2, various mortars, various RPG's and small arms (which yet again are gathering dust) and top it off with what you said SU-25, SU-24, plus Mi-24

    and another thing to add to this TOS-1A would come in very handy.


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    Re: Russian arms supplies to Syria:

    Post  OminousSpudd on Tue Sep 15, 2015 12:08 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    George1 wrote:An-124 flying to Latakia

    What does it transfer?? Very Happy
    Pre-fabricated housing units for the marines seems to be the cover story.

    T-72's fall into the prefabricated housing category. True story, that's one of the export certificates from Ukraine to Nigeria.

    It's just a sort of camper van... But with tracks, and y'know, a 125mm gun. Kind of like a tank.
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    Re: Russian arms supplies to Syria:

    Post  George1 on Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:59 pm

    Russia won't deliver S-300 missile system to Syria — official

    More:
    http://tass.ru/en/defense/872527


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    Re: Russian arms supplies to Syria:

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Apr 28, 2016 1:06 pm

    At this point in time, it makes sense. Buks will have to do. It is tanks, IFV, and other weapons. Once the country is stable, then S-300 should be sold.
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    Re: Russian arms supplies to Syria:

    Post  eehnie on Wed Sep 07, 2016 6:04 am

    By type of armament, assuming that Russia moved totally the armament in red in the following comments, except the T-64, next in line for Russian supplies to Syria would be:

    LAND HEAVY ARMAMENT:
    Surface-Air:
    Surface-Surface:
    Artillery: (M)T-12
    Tanks: T-64
    Infantry: Iveco LMV, BTR-60
    Combat Engineering:

    AIR ARMAMENT:
    Strategic Bombers (including long range Maritime Bombers):
    Figther Interceptors:
    Fighters (including Air Superiority and Multirole):
    Fighter Ground Attack (including Close Air Support and short range Maritime Bombers): Be-12, L-39
    Combat Helicopters:

    Some cases, like the L-39 and the Iveco LMV, that have a main use in the Russian Armed Forces as auxiliary vehicles, can be used in Syria for combat roles thanks to lower standards there. In the case of the Iveco LMV the number of units available would be limited to the units in service with the Russian Armed Forces because the vehicle is useful for the Russian Security Forces.

    PS: Note that France used in Syria the Breguet Atlantique 2 Maritime Bomber for bombing on land. It is not rare.


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    Re: Russian arms supplies to Syria:

    Post  eehnie on Sun Jan 15, 2017 3:55 pm

    LESS MODERN, LESS POWERFUL AND LESS CAPABLE HEAVY ARMAMENT FROM RUSSIA

    From the Russian Armed Forces:

    In recent years, maybe 10 years, a good number of heavy weapons totally dissappeared from the Russian Armed Forces, in the last decommission wave and little before. At this point we can count all them as totally out of the Russian Armed Forces. If some unit of these weapons remain still in Russia, South Ossetia, Novorussia and Abkhazia, is likely that go to Syria inmediately (only the T-64 can have longer timeline). Of all them I saw in the reports of 2017 only some reference to presence of the BS-3, ZU-23(-2), GT-MU, T-54 and AT-T, while almost all the more modern warfare is present. In this situation would be (bolded the weapons present in the Syrian Armed Forces in the war of Syria):

    SU-122

    085mm D-44
    076mm M-1938
    130mm KS-30
    037mm 61-K
    085mm 52-K KS-12 M-1938
    100mm KS-19
    122mm D-74
    014.5mm ZPU-1/2/4
    SA-3
    SA-2
    SA-5
    ASU-57
    BM-14
    BM-16
    PT-76
    ASU-85
    ZSU-57-2

    082mm Vasilek
    FROG-7


    152mm D-1 (TMB2004-2005 700 units; TMB2017 700 units)
    122mm M-30 (TMB2004-2005 3750 units; TMB2017 3750 units)
    160mm M-160 (TMB2004-2005 300 units; TMB2017 300 units)
    203mm B-4(M) (TMB2004-2005 40 units; TMB2017 40 units)
    152mm ML-20 (TMB2004-2005 100 units; TMB2017 100 units)
    057mm S-60 (TMB2004-2005 >0 units; TMB2017 >0 units)
    130mm M-46 (TMB2004-2005 650 units; TMB2017 650 units)
    152mm D-20 (TMB2004-2005 1115 units; TMB2017 1075 units)
    BTR-50 (TMB2004-2005 1000 units; TMB2017 >0 units)
    SA-9 (TMB2004-2005 >0 units; TMB2017 >0 units)
    BM-13 (TMB2004-2005 <50 units; TMB2017 100 units)
    T-62 (including engineering variants) (TMB2004-2005 3000 units; TMB2017 2500 units)
    T-55 (including engineering variants) (TMB2004-2005 <1360 units; TMB2017 >2800 units)
    T-64 (including engineering variants) (TMB2004-2005 4350 units; TMB 2017 2000 units )

    100mm BS-3
    023mm ZU-23(-2) (TMB2004-2005 >0 units; TMB2017 >0 units)
    GT-MU
    T-54 (including engineering variants) (TMB2004-2005 0 units; TMB2017 >0 units)
    AT-T

    Red because they would be finnished in Russia (or will be very soon, except maybe the T-64). Despite it, the supplies of these weapons and some others to Syria can continue from other countries of the continental platform  of Asia.

    The previous box includes some weapons that deficiently updated sources like The Military Balance still count as present in the Russian Armed Forces. Like we can see in the box, comparing the data offered by the 2004-2005 and the 2017 editions of the numbers of The Military Balance, the numbers for these weapons in Russia have been very erratic, with some cases when the numbers even increased for weapons out of production.

    This would be the model used to repair:

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t4461p50-syrian-arab-army-saa#196708
    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2665826.html

    A second group of weapons would be formed by weapons that are still present in the Russian arsenals, but are likely to disappear fast in Russia, South Ossetia, Novorussia and Abkhazia. In this group, the weapon present has not been in the war of Syria until now, but it is possible to be there in the future. In this situation would be (bolded the weapons present in Sirian Armed Forces in the war of Syria):

    Be-12

    Finally, also in the side of the less capable, less powerful and less modern heavy weapons, it is likely to see going to Syria increasing numbers of some weapon that surely will not be exhausted in Russia in the short-term (2 years). Taking into account the expected improvements on rocket assisted projectiles of 125mm and for the TOS-1, the (M)T-12 would be the alone heavy weapon in the Russian arsenals that only can work inside the range of the portable/man-portable weapons of the advanced adversaries, and surely its future will not be long in the Russian arsenals. In this situation would be (bolded the weapons present in the Syrian Armed Forces in the war of Syria):

    100mm 2A19/2A29 (M)T-12

    In adition to this, limited number of units of more modern and powerful armament have been supplied to Syria. Just the weapons habitually in the news.

    From the Russian Security Forces:

    The Russian Security Forces have some units of heavy armament, that can be transfered without impact in the Russian Armed Forces (including the reserve). The less modern, less powerful or less capable heavy warfare in this situation would be (bolded the weapons present in the Syrian Armed Forces in the war of Syria):

    122mm 2A18 D-30 (20 units) Surely done

    120mm 2S9 Nona-S (18 units) Surely done
    BTR-60 (<1325 units)
    BMD-1 (102 units)

    According to the reports the supply of the D-30 and the 2S9 would be done at this point, and with it, the heavy artillery over man-portable size would be finnished in the Russian Security Forces.


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    Re: Russian arms supplies to Syria:

    Post  eehnie on Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:25 pm

    NON COMBAT VEHICLES FROM RUSSIA

    From the Russian Armed Forces:

    In the side of the non-combat vehicles, there is also a number of sea, land and air non-combat auxiliary vehicles that have been totally decommissioned in the recent yearas, but in this case I have not completed the recount. Like in the case of the heavy weapons, if some unit remains still in Russia, will go inmediately to Syria. In the reports of 2017 I saw only some reference to presence of the Kraz-214, Kraz-255, Kraz-260 and ZIL-130 in some non-combat engineering variants. In this situation would be (bolded the weapons present in the Syrian Armed Forces in the war of Syria):

    A good number of types

    Red because they would be finnished today.

    The second goup would be again the group of vehicles that are present today, but are likely to be finnished in the short term. It is likely that Russia will want to finnish the foreign vehicles in the Russian Armed Forces by two ways. By transfer to other non military gouvernmental agencies (including Russian Security Forces) or by export/donation to other friend countries. Of this group, it is much more likely to see a supply to Syria of land and air vehicles than of sea vehicles. In the most likely cases to go to Syria (L-39 and Iveco LMV), while for Russia they would be for non combat roles like training or light utility, it would be likely to see them used for comtat roles in Syria. In this situation would be (bolded the vehicles present in the Syrian Armed Forces in the war of Syria):

    Dry cargo ships purchased for the operation in Syria
    Type Dora
    Type Dubna
    Project REF-675
    Project REF-100
    Project R-5757
    Project UK-3
    Project V92
    Project V820
    L-39
    L-410
    An-140
    Iveco LMV
    Project IC16MII
    An-148/158/178

    In addition to this, limited number of units of more modern and powerful auxiliary vehicles have been supplied to Syria.

    From the Russian Security Forces:

    If needed Russia can also supply non-combat vehicles (including light semiarmoured vehicles) to Syria, from the Russian Security Forces. These vehicles can have sometimes lower standards than the current of the Russian Armed Forces, but can be useful for Syria.

    A good number of types


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    Re: Russian arms supplies to Syria:

    Post  George1 on Thu Feb 09, 2017 12:36 am

    In Tartus delivered 50 missiles for operational-tactical missile complex "Tochka"

    Russia has just sent Syria the biggest part of missiles between the two countries today, the last delivery between the two allies, which could further change rates in the Middle East, told Fox News on Wednesday.

    Part of the 50 short-range ballistic missiles SS-21 (9M79M and 9M79-1 for TRC 9K79 "Tochka-U") arrived in the Syrian port of Tartus two days ago in the Mediterranean, officials said.



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    Re: Russian arms supplies to Syria:

    Post  eehnie on Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:58 pm

    To see how the exhaustion of the previous warfare marked in red and fuchsia in the previous post above:

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t1321p125-russian-arms-supplies-to-syria#186218

    is not critical for the extintion of this material in Syria, and is not critical to force to Russia to provide more modern material to Syria, is necessary to see the stock of the same (or very close) material in other countries of the continental platform of Asia.

    LESS MODERN, LESS POWERFUL AND LESS CAPABLE SOVIETIC HEAVY ARMAMENT AVAILABLE FOR SYRIA IN THE REST OF COUNTRIES OF THE CONTINENTAL PLATFORM OF ASIA

    According to recently updated sources like The Military Balance 2017, these countries would have still the following material of Sovietic origin (not included foreign produced variants with different designation):

    >0000   152mm M-10 M-1938
    >0000   076mm ZIS-3
    >0035   152mm D-1
    >0000   160mm M-43
    >0018   100mm BS-3
    >0000   085mm D-44
    >0035   122mm M-30
    >0000   160mm M-160

    >0000   037mm 61-K M-1939
    >0300   085mm 52-K KS-12 M-1939
    >0000   122mm A-19 M-1931/37
    >0000   152mm ML-20
    >0000   100mm KS-19
    >0000   085mm D-48
    >0246   057mm S-60
    >0000   122mm D-74
    >0000   014.5mm ZPU-1/2/4
    >1653   130mm M-46
    >0126   152mm D-20
    >0133   SA-3 (note that the recent mobile weapon is receiving the designation of SA-26 and would not be included)
    >0224   SA-2
    >0048   SA-5
    >0620   023mm ZU-23-2

    >0000   122mm SU-122
    >0000   100mm SU-100
    >0000   BM-13
    >0000   BMD-20
    >0000   BM-24
    >0055   T-34
    >0004   MiG-15
    >0000   BTR-40
    >0020   BTR-152
    >0020   BM-14
    >0870   PT-76
    >0000   BTR-50
    =0200   SA-9

    =0080   057mm ZSU-57-2
    =0018   Su-7
    =0024   FROG-7
    >0000   T-54 (including engineering variants)
    >1122   T-62 (including engineering variants)
    >/<3792 T-55 (including engineering variants)
    >0357   MiG-21
    =0100   T-64 (including engineering variants)

    =0004   Be-12

    Like in the previous related comments, bolded the weapons present in the Syrian Civil War. Red because it would be material finnished in Russia.

    The presence of this material in the continental platform of Asia (even until Belarus and Novorussia, but without Russia), has an impact in the transference of warfare from Russia to Syria. All it can reach Syria in the short/mid term, because the countries that own this warfare have an interest in to replace this material by newer weapons and in to avoid costs of scrapping. They only need to put the material in the queue of the repair plants in Syria.

    The presence of this material in Russia, Belarus and the continental platform of Asia is the explanation of how Syria has been fighting all the war with the same type of material since the begin, without changes, despite very important loses.

    Also this is the explanation of how Russia has not been still in the need to supply to Syria with more modern material except in symbolic amounts that have more a goal of intimidating powerful neighbors of Syria than for real use in combat every day. This is the reason why outside of the red and fuchsia colored material, only the (M)T-12 and some warfare from the Russian Security Forces have been listed in the previous comment.



    PS: For non combat vehicles, it is more difficult to show the picture with the same precision, but it is the same situation.
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    Re: Russian arms supplies to Syria:

    Post  eehnie on Wed Jul 19, 2017 7:23 am

    An important detail. Under this scheme of procurement (Russia+Asia), Syria can keep their arsenals in the levels previous to the war several years still, despite the important loses.

    The most difficult replacement for Syria is for the loses on the armament more modern than the listed in this scheme. Then obviously Syria will try to keep safer this armament to avoid loses on them.

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