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    Viktor
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    Venezuela rearmament

    Post  Viktor on Wed Feb 23, 2011 1:05 am

    I think no country of its size takes rearmament program so extensivly ...

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    Re: Venezuela rearmament

    Post  GarryB on Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:22 am

    That is a very impressive list.

    Forgive my ignorance but does Venezuela produce anything for export that might be valuable to Russia.

    It is just that I think a two way trade in goods will lead to a more healthy and productive relationship than if they are just a customer of weapons.

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    Re: Venezuela rearmament

    Post  Viktor on Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:19 pm

    GarryB wrote:That is a very impressive list.

    Forgive my ignorance but does Venezuela produce anything for export that might be valuable to Russia.

    It is just that I think a two way trade in goods will lead to a more healthy and productive relationship than if they are just a customer of weapons.


    Venezuela produces oil and Russian/Chinese companies have taken place of western companies under different contract.
    Thats about it.

    At the moment Russian and Venezuelan govremments are forming joint bank to finance Russian arms sales to Venezuela.

    4Bin are in preparation.

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    Re: Venezuela rearmament

    Post  GarryB on Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:33 am

    Well in that case I hope Russias experience of trying to diversify their economy is of benefit to Venezuela too.

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    Re: Venezuela rearmament

    Post  Vladimir79 on Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:36 am

    Viktor wrote:I think no country of its size takes rearmament program so extensivly ...


    UAE takes the prize for per capita arms spending by far.

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    Re: Venezuela rearmament

    Post  TR1 on Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:27 am

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/150091.html

    Nice pics of Pechora-2M in Venezuela. This modernization has picked up quite a few sales here and there.

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    Re: Venezuela rearmament

    Post  Viktor on Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:43 am

    It could be that Venezuela becomes for Russia what Saudi Arabia is for US.

    I think Venezuela surpassed Saudi Arabia by its oil reserves.

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    Re: Venezuela rearmament

    Post  flamming_python on Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:32 pm

    Viktor wrote:It could be that Venezuela becomes for Russia what Saudi Arabia is for US.

    I think Venezuela surpassed Saudi Arabia by its oil reserves.


    The difference being that at least Venezuela has a logical arms-procurement program that is optimized for efficiency, integration of hardware and so on by focusing on just a few arms suppliers; rather than mixing and matching like a kid in a candy store - which is what the Saudi's are doing.

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    Re: Venezuela rearmament

    Post  GarryB on Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:21 am

    The Saudis have no real military problems... I mean we saw what happened when Saddam invaded a country near Saudi Arabia in 1990.

    That enormous over reaction wasn't about Kuwaite. Kuwaite isn't even a real democracy even today and it doesn't have that much oil.

    What the fear was that a successful invasion of Kuwaite might be followed by an invasion of Saudi Arabia and that cannot even be considered.

    In such an environment Saudi Arabia doesn't need a military force as the US guarantees its security. This means that Saudi Arabia can use military purchases as political tools to buy influence and power and control.

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    Re: Venezuela rearmament

    Post  TheArmenian on Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:16 am

    Saudi Arms purchases are just bribes given by the ruler to the West to stay in power. No arms = no throne.

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    Re: Venezuela rearmament

    Post  GarryB on Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:46 am

    Pretty much right, though the west would not want the current royal family to fall from power as any democratic regime would be a regime of the people and the average saudi doesn't like America much and certainly does not like Israel.

    The US might like democracy in Iraq or Iran as imposed by the US, but it certainly does not want democracy in Saudi Arabia... real democracies are much more expensive to control.

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