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    Post  George1 on Wed May 27, 2015 2:16 am

    Russian Helicopters successfully conclude flight tests on the Mi-171A2 flying laboratory
    Russian Aviaton » Tuesday May 26, 2015 21:58 MSK

    The Mi-171A2 flying laboratory has concluded the second phase of preliminary flight tests. A total of 67 ground runs and 72 flights were carried out at the flight test centre at Mil Moscow Helicopter Plant, a Russian Helicopters enterprise (part of State Corporation Rostec).

    During phase one, 43 flights were conducted on the helicopter, which was kitted out with its rotor system comprising modified components – the new main polymer composite main rotor blades and X-shaped tail rotor. The second phase of tests saw the installation of VK-2500PS-03 engines and BARK-6V7S digital regulation and control systems, a modified stabiliser and antitorque. The tests were designed to review the VK-2500PS-03 engines, stabiliser, antitorque, and main rotor with a view to carrying out additional certification testing on the Mi-171A2.

    The report compiled based on the results of the preliminary flight tests was in line with the positive reviews provided by test pilots. The tests confirmed the helicopter's aircraft performance characteristics met those specified in the design documentation.

    Currently the flying laboratory is being re-equipped for tethered ground testing – the helicopter will be installed on-site after the Mi-38 concludes relay testing. This phase of tests will focus on the rotor transmission and control mechanisms, establishing whether they meet flight regulation AP-29.

    The first prototype of the Mi-171A2 will simultaneously undergo preliminary tests, with 42 out of 178 flights already concluded. The second prototype of the Mi-171A2 is currently undergoing final preparations and will soon be incorporated into this flight test programme.

    Unlike the flying laboratory, the first and second Mi-171A2 prototypes are equipped with a integrated digital KBO-17 avionics suite developed by Ulyanovsk Instrument Design Bureau (part of Radioelectronic Technologies). This system is built to a 'glass cockpit' design and makes it possible to cut crew numbers to two people. The KBO-17 suite makes it possible to carry out flights day and night in regular and difficult weather conditions – delivering a qualitatively new level of crew performance. This equipment meets the latest requirements relating to communications, navigation, and control. Thanks to the on-board controls monitoring the condition of the helicopter's various systems and components, the helicopter can be operated in line with its technical condition.

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    Post  max steel on Thu May 28, 2015 8:33 pm

    ISN'T IT AN UNDERSTATEMENT ?

    Russia's Ka-52, Mi-28 Attack Helicopters Can Compete With US Apache

    The modern Russian Mi-28 and Ka-52 attack helicopters are comparable with the US AH-64 Apache helicopter in their onboard electronic systems, Andrei Shibitov, Deputy Director of Russian Helicopter Holding, told RIA Novosti.

    "Ten years ago some of our systems fell short by 10-15 years, but now I can say that our latest projects are practically comparable with our foreign competitors and colleagues. The hardware of the Mi-28 and Ka-52 is definitely as good as the Apache systems," Shibitov said on the sidelines of a conference in Tatarstan.

    He also noted that the Mi-28 and Ka-52 are more than just helicopters; they can be described as "helicopter complexes."


    Established in 2007, Russian Helicopters is one of the world’s leaders in the helicopter-manufacturing industry and the single helicopter designer and producer in Russia. The holding comprises of five helicopter-manufacturing facilities, two design bureaus, repair facilities and a service company. The holding sells helicopters to Russian ministries, airlines and major foreign and domestic companies.

    In 2014 Russian Helicopters’ revenues rose by 22.8 percent, to 169.8 billion rubles ($3.3 billion at the current ruble exchange rate). A total of 271 helicopters were delivere



    http://sputniknews.com/military/20150527/1022607861.html

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    Post  Zivo on Thu May 28, 2015 9:56 pm

    max steel wrote: ISN'T IT AN UNDERSTATEMENT ?

    Russia's Ka-52, Mi-28 Attack Helicopters Can Compete With US Apache

    The modern Russian Mi-28 and Ka-52 attack helicopters are comparable with the US AH-64 Apache helicopter in their onboard electronic systems, Andrei Shibitov, Deputy Director of Russian Helicopter Holding, told RIA Novosti.

    "Ten years ago some of our systems fell short by 10-15 years, but now I can say that our latest projects are practically comparable with our foreign competitors and colleagues. The hardware of the Mi-28 and Ka-52 is definitely as good as the Apache systems," Shibitov said on the sidelines of a conference in Tatarstan.

    He also noted that the Mi-28 and Ka-52 are more than just helicopters; they can be described as "helicopter complexes."


    Established in 2007, Russian Helicopters is one of the world’s leaders in the helicopter-manufacturing industry and the single helicopter designer and producer in Russia. The holding comprises of five helicopter-manufacturing facilities, two design bureaus, repair facilities and a service company. The holding sells helicopters to Russian ministries, airlines and major foreign and domestic companies.

    In 2014 Russian Helicopters’ revenues rose by 22.8 percent, to 169.8 billion rubles ($3.3 billion at the current ruble exchange rate). A total of 271 helicopters were delivere



    http://sputniknews.com/military/20150527/1022607861.html

    Russian helicopters were lagging in the field of electronics. Especially with regards to the Mi-28. However, recently the Mi-28 has caught up and the latest serial Ka-52's match the latest serial western counterparts with regards to electronics, but are deployed on a superior airframe. They also have widely deployed DIRCM's, which is still a rarity on other helicopters even though the technology is there. I agree with his assessment.

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    Post  max steel on Thu May 28, 2015 10:45 pm

    Any specific reason why russian helos were lagging in electronics ? Funds scarcity or foreign dependence .

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    Post  OminousSpudd on Thu May 28, 2015 11:22 pm

    max steel wrote:Any specific reason why russian helos were lagging in electronics ? Funds scarcity or foreign dependence .

    The lack of a Russian style Silicon Valley was probably one of the largest hindrances in this regard, or so I've heard anyway. Of course chronic lack of funds always came into it in that era.

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    Post  Werewolf on Fri May 29, 2015 1:12 am

    Russia lacked technologies to the latest degree in thermal imagers since years they have cooperated with France and have now brought new modern FLIR's of latest geneation. Russia did not lack across all electronics, but they did lack in few like FLIR's computing modules of digital processing and few others, today it is different russia almost produces everything themselfs. There were also some computer chips from US companies which are eleminated and produced by russia, except of some.

    Today technology wise electronic and avionic russia leads there is barely anything other countries surpass russia, specifically Kamov at this. The full electronics suite for both Ka-52 and Mi-28N will come in 2016 to Mi-28NM standards of fully integrated Vitebsk, with MAWS and DIRCMs, communication upgrade of net centric warfare which will make Helicopters more effecient since they rely more on intel about combat zone then most other systems. This will also ease up the communication problem between Attack Helicopters which belong to RuAF while they are mainly needed to support the Russian Army and due the structure of the forces and division of their assets, which is only kept AH's in RuAF because of reducing the logistical burdens. The Ka-52 will get the latest RWR L-150 pastel which are very accurate and can be used to determine enemies position and help with HARM guidance.

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    Post  GarryB on Fri May 29, 2015 12:54 pm

    What they really lacked was an all weather attack helo with operational experience.

    It is one thing to have designs like the Mi-28A and Ka-50 visiting airshows and arms expos, but to actually have an in service attack helo with operating night vision and radar is really something they haven't had for a long period (ie decade or more).

    The upgraded Hinds and Hips have given them some limited experience and together with improvements in their electronic capability the Mi-28N and Mi-28NM and Ka-52 are world class helos as good as, or better than any western equivalent... they are currently entering service in numbers and have systems that are starting to mature to the point where they can be called combat ready.


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    Post  Werewolf on Fri May 29, 2015 3:07 pm

    Why do we discuss this under Mi-26/8/17 thread and not Mi-28N or Ka-52 thread?

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    Post  Kyo on Fri May 29, 2015 7:55 pm

    Kazan Motor-Building Production Association (KMPO) has mastered the production of components for VK-2500 engine intended for Mi-8 and Mi-17 helos

    This has been done under the import substitution programme since previously, these engines were supplied to Russia from the Ukrainian company "Motor Sich", but the military-technical ties between the two countries is now fully terminated on the initiative of Kiev.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri May 29, 2015 8:58 pm

    Werewolf wrote:Why do we discuss this under Mi-26/8/17 thread and not Mi-28N or Ka-52 thread?

    and not Mi-14 Razz anybody knows more details about production restart?

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    Post  GarryB on Sat May 30, 2015 11:44 am

    Why do we discuss this under Mi-26/8/17 thread and not Mi-28N or Ka-52 thread?

    Good point.

    In terms of Mils transport helos the Russian aircraft have only really lacked night and all weather capability... which is actually more important for a helicopter than for fixed wing aircraft simply because helicopters are aircraft where every extra kilogramme of weight is critical so avionics need to be light, but also operating at night makes the aircraft that has to fly fairly low by necessity much safer from enemy action, though it does increase the threat from the ground in terms of flying into things.

    All this sensor fusion stuff will be useful for all helos as the mix of night vision equipment and radar can make night flying much much safer for all aircraft types...

    and not Mi-14 anybody knows more details about production restart?

    Well technically the Mi-14 should go in the Naval section...  Smile


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    Post  Cyberspec on Sun May 31, 2015 10:58 am

    Reportedly a Mi-26T2 under construction


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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun May 31, 2015 11:54 am

    Cyberspec wrote:Reportedly a Mi-26T2 under construction


    Table tennis like in Silicone Valley startups ha ha ha. BTW this thing is HUGE.

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    Post  collegeboy16 on Sun May 31, 2015 2:28 pm

    [quote="GunshipDemocracy"]
    Cyberspec wrote:Reportedly a Mi-26T2 under construction

    Table tennis  like in Silicone Valley startups ha ha ha. BTW this thing is HUGE.
    hard at work... more like hardly working. i kid. looking at the Mi-26T2 I cant help but feel impressed about its size, its a big girl, i mean helo Embarassed . someday im gonna see one personally and i think i might just cream my jeans at the sight Embarassed .

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    Post  GarryB on Mon Jun 01, 2015 11:09 am

    Mop in isle 12 please... Embarassed


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    Post  Viktor on Sun Jun 07, 2015 12:29 pm

    Great thumbsup

    The latest Mi-38 finishes testing

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    Post  Viktor on Mon Jun 15, 2015 5:51 pm

    Nice thumbsup

    UEC will soon sign a contract to supply 50 engines for Mi-38

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    Post  d_taddei2 on Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:02 am

    collegeboy16 wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Cyberspec wrote:Reportedly a Mi-26T2 under construction

    Table tennis  like in Silicone Valley startups ha ha ha. BTW this thing is HUGE.
    hard at work... more like hardly working. i kid. looking at the Mi-26T2 I cant help but feel impressed about its size, its a big girl, i mean helo  Embarassed . someday im gonna see one personally and i think i might just cream my jeans at the sight  Embarassed .


    I was in one(but not flying in one) in Kiev last year, i posted pictures on the forum, as well as other aircraft, such as, Tu-95, Tu-22m, Mi-24, Mi-8 etc.
    i would say it a little smaller(space size) than a C130 Hercules i flew in when in the forces, not sure how many troops it can carry but id say a lot more than chinook maybe double the amount, when i flew in chinook we were never really packed in tight. (check page 7 on this thread for my pics of Mi-26/Mi-8/Mi24)

    I do have loads more pics, and i am away to North Korea in August for 2 weeks, but i highly doubt i will get a chance/be allowed to take pics of military items but you never know Wink

    link below for the thread

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t3372-my-pics-and-vids


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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Jun 27, 2015 11:05 am

    Mi-28NM "Night hunter" will be equipped with a laser for counter missiles

    I would presume they talk in original about knocking off the course not shutting down natives pls correct me Smile



    A new electronic warfare system for the modernized Mi-28NM "Night hunter", which includes a laser for counter missiles will be tested before the end of this year


    This was reported by TASS Advisor to the first Deputy head of the concern "radio-Electronic technology" (KRET) Vladimir Mikheev.

    "The helicopter will be installed, in addition to existing systems, laser station suppression", - said the Agency interlocutor. He explained that a powerful but compact solid-state laser to shoot down missiles off course.

    "The number of helicopters that are now in modernization, the station installed and tested - said Mikheyev. - I think the end of the year she will be tested, will receive the corresponding letter for mass production, and after that 100% of helicopters will be equipped with this station."

    Combat helicopter Mi-28N is designed to search and destroy day and night, in simple and adverse weather conditions, low-speed aerial targets, tanks, armored and unarmored vehicles and manpower.

    Подробнее: http://vpk-news.ru/news/25826


    GarryB wrote:Mop in isle 12 please... Embarassed

    you both are helo-porn addicts Razz

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Jun 27, 2015 11:15 am

    and yet one more form KRET


    KRET developed a laser guidance system of missiles for helicopters

    http://vpk-news.ru/news/25842

    Concern Radio-electronic technology (KRET), belongs to the State Corporation Rostec, has developed a multi-channel laser-beam guidance system (SLS) for the Ka-52, Mi-8MNP, Mi-28N, which can also be installed in the ground equipment, MANPADS and drones. According to the press service of the concern.

    The new development will provide high precision missile guidance and allow helicopters to use missiles of various types.

    SLS is designed to complete the task and bring traffic control guided missile to the target captured and held a gun or maintenance by the operator.

    The system uses a powerful cw solid-state laser pumped by laser diodes. Scanning the laser beam is carried out compact, low-inertia, an acousto-optic deflector xy, without mechanical components and controlled by electrical signals. The product analog control field generated solely by mechanical means, resulting in a lower speed, reduced reliability, increased size and weight.

    "Concern was created for the production of highly intelligent and innovative systems and their introduction to the series. They must be universal, in other words - must be installed on the old and the new technique - first deputy general director Igor KRET Nasenkov. - Modern laser technology KRET fully meet these requirements. In particular, the SLS can be installed on helicopters and the ground equipment, MANPADS and drones. "

    The tests confirmed the high accuracy of the SLS guided missiles and high reliability of the developed equipment. Laser guidance system commercially available in enterprises KRET.




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    Post  GarryB on Sun Jun 28, 2015 6:26 am

    you both are helo-porn addicts

    Mop for Collegeboy16... not me... Smile

    So the laser defence system will be DIRCMS, but that last article on the multi channel laser system for helos and UAVs and MANPADS sounds very interesting... only point of multi channel is to allow several targets to be lased at one time, so for a helo like Ka-52 that would mean being able to hit several different targets at one time with Vikhr, or for Mi-28 to target several targets with Krisantema at one time... but more importantly I suspect it will allow the full use of Ugroza type laser beam homing kits for unguided rockets of all calibres to be used by a range of platforms including UAVs.

    There is a light 7 shot 80mm rocket pod for light aircraft that could be carried by a UAV, and 14 x 80mm rockets would be a potent little load with a range of warheads... made all the more effective with guidance adding pinpoint accuracy to make them vastly more effective and able to be fired from standoff ballistic ranges further improving the safety of the launching UAV.

    From very high up a rocket could be used to hit a point target quite some distance away almost silently, and indeed it should also allow the use of missiles like Kornet-EM and indeed laser guided small bombs for UAVs which will make up for lack of HE power with high accuracy.

    Dropping 5 x FAB-50 bombs in an area with enemy vehicles would not be a particularly effective way of dealing with enemy armour, but with a multi targeting laser aiming system and KAB-50 guided bombs aimed to hit the rear turret area of an Abrams would be devastating... the higher up they would be released the higher their kinetic energy... but the 50kg of HE should ensure the ammo in the rear turret bustle explodes too...

    The fact that these guidance systems can be fitted to older aircraft just adds to their value and would allow the rapid widespread introduction of new more effective weapons.

    Note a laser guided package for 80mm rockets might triple the cost of the rocket, but you will need 20 times less rockets for point targets so it makes it much cheaper to use rockets. More importantly the guidance means you can fire from greater standoff distances which makes the aircraft safer...

    We have seen 20 shot 80mm rocket pods mounted on the back of light trucks in Syria... with laser homing kits you could mount one near a MANPADS site and use it as backup for shorter range shots at targets that appear rapidly... the 4-5kgs of HE an 80mm rocket carries should be far more effective than the 2-3kgs of modern MANPADS warheads...


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    Post  zackyx on Sun Jun 28, 2015 7:05 am

    GarryB is there any picture or documentation about the KAB-50 ?

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    Post  mack8 on Wed Jul 22, 2015 11:40 pm

    Looks like the second Mi-171A2 prototype is ready to fly. It seems to have the new X-shaped tail rotor, in addition to new dust filters, presumbly the new main rotor as well.



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    Post  GarryB on Thu Jul 23, 2015 12:41 pm

    GarryB is there any picture or documentation about the KAB-50 ?

    Nothing I have seen... only talk related to new UAVs and UCAVs about small light weapons optimised for such platforms... they also mention a 7 shot 80mm rocket pod and laser beam riding ATGMs like Krisantema and Kornet-EM.


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