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    Re: Mi-8/17, Μi-38, Mi-26: News

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Oct 29, 2014 1:39 pm


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    Re: Mi-8/17, Μi-38, Mi-26: News

    Post  Werewolf on Wed Oct 29, 2014 3:08 pm

    I hope they get them in military version for specific jobs, seams like a very powerful and promising plattform with a class between Mi-8/17 and Mi-26. I am certain there is quite a good necessity to fill this big gap between those classes of Mi-8/17 and Mi-26 of transport capability, to safe money and stay effecient at the same time.

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    Re: Mi-8/17, Μi-38, Mi-26: News

    Post  George1 on Thu Nov 13, 2014 11:27 am

    Airbase in Transbaikalia to Receive “Terminators” with GPS and Touch Screen

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    Re: Mi-8/17, Μi-38, Mi-26: News

    Post  medo on Thu Nov 13, 2014 11:18 pm

    George1 wrote:Airbase in Transbaikalia to Receive “Terminators” with GPS and Touch Screen

    I'm sure, that with GPS they mean GLONASS.

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    Re: Mi-8/17, Μi-38, Mi-26: News

    Post  George1 on Fri Nov 14, 2014 2:22 pm

    Russian Helicopters starts final certification tests on the Mi-38 multirole helicopter
    12.11.2014 / Moscow

    Russian Helicopters (part of State Corporation Rostec) has launched the final stage of certification testing on the Mi-38 multirole helicopter. Testing is being carried out on two prototype models of the helicopter fitted with Russian TV7-117V engines.

    On 3 November 2014, Russian Helicopters’ Mil Moscow Helicopter Plant received the fourth prototype of the Mi-38 in order to continue certification flight testing. The helicopter is built at Kazan Helicopters, also a Russian Helicopters company. On 20 October 2014, it successfully completed a series of hover tests and low-speed ground runs, after which it was transported overland to the Mil Moscow Helicopter Plant.

    For further flight tests, the fourth Mi-38 prototype will be fitted with the full suite of on-board data acquisition systems. Starting flight tests on the forth prototype boosts progress towards the Mi-38’s certification – which is scheduled for 2015.

    The fourth Mi-38 prototype is a pre-series model, comprising all the systems and components that would be installed on the series-produced helicopters of this type. It differs from the third prototype in its shock-resistant fuel system, which meets the latest emergency landing fire safety requirements. It also boasts larger windows that serve as additional emergency exits.

    On 31 October, Mil Moscow Helicopter Plant launched the second phase of flight tests on the third Mi-38 prototype. On conclusion of the first phase of flight-development testing, the third Mi-38 prototype was re-equipped with TV7-117 engines at the Mil Moscow Helicopter Plant assembly shop. The second phase of plant certification tests will run until the end of the year, and will see work completed under the state contract with the Russian Federation’s Ministry of Industry and Trade for 2014.

    The Mi-38 is a medium-lift multirole helicopter, designed at the Mil Moscow Helicopter Plant in accordance with AP-29 aircraft certification requirements. It is equipped with highly efficient Russian-made TV7-117 engines and an integrated digital flight navigation system with five LCD displays.

    The Mi-38 is one of the most highly automated commercial aircraft in the world. The avionics suite makes it possible to complete route flights, landings, hover, and stabilise in any flight mode. Its IBKO-38 integrated avionics suite provides the crew with high-volume, high-quality data, ensuring high flight-safety levels.

    The helicopter’s current capabilities, combined with the streamlined maintenance processes, make the Mi-38 very promising for regional aviation and the execution of certain objectives for commercial operators. Its independence from any base, the efficiency and resources offered by its systems and components, mean that the Mi-38 is more economically viable than the small aircraft planes currently operated in Russia.

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Nov 15, 2014 8:39 am

    I'm sure, that with GPS they mean GLONASS.

    Yes.

    GPS just means global positioning system and refers to satellite navigation.

    To date it has meant Navstar, but now with Russian systems it would mean GLONASS.

    As the conflict in South Ossetia showed it would be pointless to fit Navstar navigation systems on a Russian military platform... as during that conflict they turned the civilian signal off in that region, so georgian forces could navigate with their military receivers, but the civilian receivers used by the Russian military were useless.


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    Post  sepheronx on Sat Nov 15, 2014 10:05 am

    I wonder if they will test out that new navigational (magnetic or whatever it was) system at all for military purposes? Apparently does not require satellites.

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    Post  George1 on Tue Nov 25, 2014 8:13 pm

    "Russian Helicopters" began flight tests of Mi-171A2

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    Post  d_taddei2 on Fri Dec 05, 2014 1:23 pm

    Hi i know there is an armoured version of the MI-17 thats used as a gunship with various weapon options, but does anyone know what sort of protection the armour gives? and is there any army using them, numbers built would be good. I did read an article from a Lithuian company offering an upgrade for the MI-8 of a composite armour but this only protected the it from 7.62mm and 5.56mm fired from assault rifles and at a distance of 20m+, the examples given by the company was protection from AK-47, AK-74, and M16 assault rifles. Any information would be great.
    I still think if any country was considering in buy the armoured attack version surely they would be better off buying the MI-35 for the use of gunship, i am not sure on price but i the armoured attack version of the MI-17 would surely be cheaper than a MI-35 but no where near as capable.

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    Re: Mi-8/17, Μi-38, Mi-26: News

    Post  GarryB on Fri Dec 05, 2014 3:04 pm

    Most models of Mi-17 have some sort of protection... the most commonly seen are those with the external armour plates near the front lower windows in the main canopy.

    Armour on helos is heavy and has enormous cost in terms of performance and payload so few transports have a lot of it.

    Most helos have protected fuel tanks and a bit of anti spall liner and that is about it.

    The armour on the Hind is better and mostly Titanium which is strong and light, but the best protection for a helo is distance... 223 assault rifle ammo will barely pierce sheet aluminium at 800m let alone kill someone, heavier small arms fire is more dangerous and is rather more a threat but protecting a helo as large as an Mi-17 all over from small arms fire only and you will have a 15 ton helo that can carry 2-4 men as a payload... which is obviously not acceptable.



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    Re: Mi-8/17, Μi-38, Mi-26: News

    Post  George1 on Mon Dec 15, 2014 8:22 pm

    Western military district received 14 Mi-8MTV-5

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    Re: Mi-8/17, Μi-38, Mi-26: News

    Post  mack8 on Tue Dec 16, 2014 2:11 am

    It looks like the Mi-171LL behind the Mi-171A2 OP-1 is testing the X-shaped tail rotor.

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    Post  George1 on Fri Jan 16, 2015 7:44 pm

    About 10 of the latest military transport helicopters Mi-8 MTV-5 entered the Army Aviation Brigade of the Western Military District

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    Re: Mi-8/17, Μi-38, Mi-26: News

    Post  George1 on Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:16 pm

    For Mi-38 in 2015 will be made three engines TV7-117V

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    Post  George1 on Mon Feb 09, 2015 9:27 pm

    Mi-8 'Terminator' Crews Begin Extreme Survival Training in Siberia



    Mi-8 AMTSh "Terminator" and Mi-26 helicopter crews at the Khabarovsk army aviation base began multi-day exercises to test their survival skills in the harsh Siberian winter.

    Mi-8 AMTSh "Terminator" and Mi-26 helicopter crews in stationed Khabarovsk began "survival training" exercises in extreme winter conditions, the head of the Eastern Military District's press service, Colonel Aleksandr Gordeyev announced on Monday.

    "During the special training, each crew of the air base, instructed by the head of the airborne search and rescue service, will test itself in the extreme conditions of the Far Eastern winter," Gordeyev said.

    According to Gordeyev, crew members will be forced to leave their helicopters in a simulated crash landing scenario in an uninhabited area. From there they will have to move to a point assigned by the commander, build a fire and equip the area for possible night lodging using parachutes and improvised materials.

    From there, crews will have to find and mark a landing zone for a helicopter, practice giving emergency first aid and figure out food and water supplies before search and rescue crew arrive.

    The Khabarovsk Army Aviation base was named the best base in the Russian Armed Forces in 2014. Its crews conduct combat training not only in mainland Russia, but also in the Arctic and Russia's Pacific Islands.

    The Mi-8AMTSh "Terminator" helicopter is an armored assault modification of the Mi-8 transport helicopter. Its main role is to carry cargo and troops and support them with firepower. For this task, it is equipped with Shturm-V or Ataka-V anti-tank guided missiles, Igla air-to-air missiles and two 7.62 mm machine guns. The helicopter can carry 36 troops or 4,000 kg of payload in its cargo compartment in addition to 4,000 of cargo externally.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150209/1017989968.html#ixzz3RG3AR9xK

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    Re: Mi-8/17, Μi-38, Mi-26: News

    Post  George1 on Wed Mar 11, 2015 10:00 pm

    Rostvertol to Produce 8 Mi-26 Helicopters in 2015

    Russia’s Rostvertol plans to manufacture seven or eight Mi-26 helicopters of various modifications for domestic and foreign customers in 2015. This information was presented by a source in the Russian military-industrial complex.

    “In 2015, Rostvertol will produce the Mi-26s for the Russian Air Force, the upgraded Mi-26T2 for a foreign customer, as well as the fourth Mi-26TS for China. A total of seven or eight Mi-26 helicopters of various modifications will be manufactured in 2015,” the source stated, noting that the company may produce additional Mi-26s for the Russian Air Force in the short run.

    In accordance with the long-term state contract, Rostvertol shall provide the Russian Defence Ministry with 20 Mi-26 helicopters. In 2011-2013, more than 10 helicopters were delivered to the Russian Air Force. In addition, it was planned to complete development work for creating modifications based on the Mi-26T2 for the Russian Air Force in 2016.

    https://rostechnologiesblog.wordpress.com/2015/03/11/rostvertol-to-produce-8-mi-26-helicopters-in-2015/

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    Re: Mi-8/17, Μi-38, Mi-26: News

    Post  Viktor on Fri Mar 13, 2015 3:02 am

    Mi-26 production is heating up thumbsup

    "Helicopters of Russia" in 2015 released eight heavy Mi-26 helicopters

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    Post  George1 on Fri Mar 27, 2015 6:30 pm

    TV7-117V engine for the Mi-38 will be certified in May

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    Re: Mi-8/17, Μi-38, Mi-26: News

    Post  Austin on Sun Apr 05, 2015 12:12 am

    What does one make of the write up

    Why the Chinook is efficient and the Mi-26 is a heavy-lifting guzzler


    http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewtopic.php?p=1814476#p1814476

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    Re: Mi-8/17, Μi-38, Mi-26: News

    Post  TR1 on Sun Apr 05, 2015 2:48 am

    Stupid.

    Comparing a helicopter who's lift is pathetically lower as more efficient is hilarious indeed.

    Mi-8 is far more efficient than Chinook by that standard as well.

    The average posting level on B-R is just embarrassing.

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    Post  Werewolf on Sun Apr 05, 2015 4:03 am

    All of his "analysis" completley evade actual combat effecient analysis, instead you could also compare Bo-105 with LCH and the BO-105 would win every flight caracteristical comperision, but lose every single combat engagement comperision.

    Really useless to compare in such methods.

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    Post  flamming_python on Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:23 am

    Is this written by one of the same 'analysts' that keep on crapping over Russian military products and lauding Western ones?

    Perhaps even the one that makes all sorts of wild claims about the PAK-FA and how unhappy the Indian side is with its technical issues or whatever? Rolling Eyes

    India needs to keep these lads in check, have a look on their balance sheets just to see what money who gets from where - not that getting money from somewhere in return for writing certain BS is a crime of course - but then neither would it be a crime to publically expose these shysters for what they are.

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    Post  Austin on Sun Apr 05, 2015 2:40 pm

    It is written by Vivek Ahuja who is a Phd Student in US.

    I told him to compare the latest Mi-26T2 because with FADEC the engine would be more effecient any ways thought not a fair comparision.

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Apr 05, 2015 2:46 pm

    Would be funny to see him write an article about tanks... I am sure the Abrams is superior to the T-90 because it is a gas guzzler... and is a much heavier vehicle offering no huge advantage in armour or fire power...


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    Re: Mi-8/17, Μi-38, Mi-26: News

    Post  Mindstorm on Sun Apr 05, 2015 11:45 pm

    Austin wrote:Why the Chinook is efficient and the Mi-26 is a heavy-lifting guzzler


    It is for serious ?

    I have seen in the past literally hundreds of horribly biased comparative "analysis pieces" pointing ,at best, on twisted reasonments or very narrowed data' selection only in order to promote a product over another one ,but until now i was still missing one attempting to promote a product ,literally smashed by the other in virtually any fundamental cardinal parameter pointing on the delta of performances decrease happening over the nominal limit declared by the designer and producer Company (the nominal maximum certified service ceiling limit of Mi-26T2 is 4600 m. or about 15100 ft, 21000 ft focused analysis  ? Oh yes sure  Razz  Razz )

    This open a new staple in the meaning of the words deceptive reasoning.


    Someone should explain to this US Phd Student that any helicopter's engine at this world experience a sudden decrease in power output over the nominal service ceiling certified by the maker....but i suspect that it was already perfectly aware of that and has merely attempted to use the unique cardinal paramater (the impact of the difference of which is moreover completely useless in 99,99 % of military and civil missions) where the Ch-47F could boast any kind of advantage on its otherwise crushing superior opponent and on it attempt to write this ridiculous piece aimed at put in bad light the Mi-26T2.


    In reality, as explained previously, the cursed Indian Heavy Lift Helicopter bid has been plagued from the beginning by a simple but pernicious original sin : in order even only to an open competition to happen Indian authorities was forced to lower the maximal technical lift and range requirements within the parametrical limit boundaries of the lower performance product (Ch-47F).

    In this way both products obviously passed the first stage of the selection but ,at the second, the much lighter/lower-performance contender (Ch-47F) was found as the lower bidder Rolling Eyes

    Talking instead of serious performances and decisive parameters for this class of military products, i would be very happy to attend an Indian Army comparative exercise simulating wartime emergency lifting of 1230 fully geared paratroopers transported by part of 15 Mi-26T2 toward a critical sector at more than 800 km of distance and observe how much time and with what kind of fuel consumption and overall costs (for the joy of our dear Vivek Ahuja) the 15 Ch-47F that won for the lower bidder would execute the SAME IDENTICAL OPERATIONAL TASK.

    For the less smart or ....intellectually deceitful or biased....among the readers should be important to remind that one helicopter ,among the two in question, should cover the entire distance to and from the aim delivering sector more times (with all the related costs-for-flight- hour, fuel consumption, maintenance and crew turnover implications) ,very likely with reduced payload for the necessity of external fuel tanks and with a resulting operational tempo, decisive in time of war, very very different .    

    The exercise could ,in the meantime continue with the 15 Mi-26T2 lifting artillery pieces, infantry supplies, APC, munition's crates of various kind etc... toward the same sector at 800 km always 300 tons at time and observe, bitterly, how progressively faster increase the operational delay (and with it the combat potential) of the sector "served" by the Ch-47F as theirs military heavylift platform.

    Indian MoD ,with the cursed conception of this heavylift helicopter bid ,initially conceived with the good purpose to prevent a single bidder acquisition program and to lower the costs, wrote one of the darkest pages of any international military product tenders and has severely damaged the combat potential and cast a shadow on the same lives of Indian military operatives in war times.

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