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    Re: Russian Military uniforms

    Post  sepheronx on Sat Nov 02, 2013 1:37 pm

    Garry, don't waste your time with this troll. He is basing facts off of some photos. He is a stand up genius.

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    Re: Russian Military uniforms

    Post  Regular on Sat Nov 02, 2013 3:13 pm

    GarryB wrote:The Georgian conflict was a backwater force put together in a few hours and then thrown into a conflict against a NATO trained enemy that already knew Soviet tactics and training and equipment etc.

    If Tom Clancy had written it it would have been a massacre.
    I don't think Russian intel didn't know what was brewing. As far as we know Russian units started to move before Georgian attack, so most likely satellites were zeroed in on the region. Not to mention Russian intel on the ground. Russia wasn't caught with their pants down. Or there would be no South Ossetia and Abkhazia anymore. And Tom Clancy (may he RIP) always underestimated Russians. That's why I didn't like his books.
    GarryB wrote:And what sort of quality foreign flak jackets will you buy?
    No need to buy foreign flack jackets. Hell I even know two textile companies in my country who produce military quality body armor. Russia must have 100 companies like that. Fort comes to mind as more known.
    http://fort.ru/eng

    GarryB wrote:The only soldiers that were not in uniform were the South Ossetian troops.
    To be all honest, Russian soldiers didn't follow uniform rules too.

    Yes, they are Russian troops.

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    Re: Russian Military uniforms

    Post  Regular on Sat Nov 02, 2013 3:51 pm

    NationalRus wrote:
    the ossetians were partly batter equiped then the regular 58 army, marching in with t-shirts and sneakers, forgetting or not having balistic jackets, and they were alerted and equiped befor they were send in, means they got shit equipment, they just didnt have them, nobody was throwing machineguns and ammo to them while they were passing the roki tunnel
    How come they were equipped better? They weren't. 58th army didn't have best equipment, but at least it wasn't bad as in Chechen wars. And You forget one important thing. 58th was not prime fighting force with low readiness. What do You expect? Ratnik kits? We even seen conscripts fighting.
    the russian military had money for that even 1999
    No.
    even the fucing US army only spend 129$ a troop to completly cloth him from foot to head
    Good for them. Differently than Russian army, US army has a strong political leverage and massive lobbyism. Russian army usually is neglected by politicians and have less weight when it comes to funding. US army could change uniforms every year if they wanted.
    and if they would have balistic vest indeed we would have fewer casualties, if they would have the proper uniform and didnt had to fght with urban cammo in the woodlands indeed we would have fewer casualties, the other part is about RESPECT and DIGNITY, that he dosnt get some old cloths thrown together for him out of the stock, thats the most basic thing, its step 1!
    You are right on some things, but it's not like people in army don't want to have all is best. Guess who is putting stick in their wheels? VDV seems to sort things right, they have strong leadership. Shamanov is the man when it comes to bringing stuff to his troops.

    Now relax and here are pictures of VDV in 080808 war






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    Re: Russian Military uniforms

    Post  GarryB on Sat Nov 02, 2013 11:18 pm

    I don't think Russian intel didn't know what was brewing. As far as we know Russian units started to move before Georgian attack, so most likely satellites were zeroed in on the region.
    If the Russian troops had moved before the Georgian troops how the hell would Georgian troops have moved into South Ossetia to bomb the capital?

    Did they push the Russian troops back?

    I don't think so.

    The Georgian troops might have had US NATO training but when it came time to go to war they dropped their M16s and Israeli LMGs and took AKs and PKMs.

    When it came to fighting VDV peacekeeping forces they didn't charge in there and take them on one on one knowing their superior NATO equipment and uniforms would make them stealth ninjas... they kept back and used mostly artillery to do the job.

    Not to mention Russian intel on the ground. Russia wasn't caught with their pants down. Or there would be no South Ossetia and Abkhazia anymore.
    Yes they were. If they hadn't just been having exercises in the region I rather doubt they would have had time to scrape together a force to cross the border. As it was they had to rely on lots of volunteers from North Ossetia and Chechnia to get a force put together in a few hours with all the equipment and ammo etc.

    It very much was the Russian equivalent of the Alabama national guard being called up to fight a Mexican invasion with a few hours notice.

    And Tom Clancy (may he RIP) always underestimated Russians. That's why I didn't like his books.
    He was a prick. A mouthpiece for the US military... writer of infomercials.

    No need to buy foreign flack jackets. Hell I even know two textile companies in my country who produce military quality body armor. Russia must have 100 companies like that. Fort comes to mind as more known.
    http://fort.ru/eng
    Tests of FELIN showed Russian flak jackets are as good as anyone elses in the world... not everyone in the Russian backwaters were equipped with them in 2008... and they wont be till a new standard of equipment is adopted and widely deployed... ie Ratnik and its variants and later replacements.

    To be all honest, Russian soldiers didn't follow uniform rules too.
    Exactly... many dont wear helmets... how many will wear flak jackets that are 10-15kgs?


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    Re: Russian Military uniforms

    Post  Regular on Sun Nov 03, 2013 1:10 pm

    But Russian forces infact started to move before Georgians unleashed invasion. Moscow defence brief have good summary about how everything happened. Don't forget that Georgians were shelling Osetia before they invaded. Russia is still strong when it comes to intel. Not to mention Georgia is their backyard.
    Only Georgian troops in Afghanistan used M-16. Weapons You've seen in pictures where low quality Bushmaster made AR-15. Good for civilians, but not good for any army. Negev LMGs are OK on other hand. But it doesn't replace PKM. And Georgians where droping them for obvious reasons. They were dead, deserted or captured. No one wanted this war, especially when Georgian people are not fanatical and love their lives more than Saaka.
    Only Georgian SF showed some resistance and their pockets of resistance where wiped one by one while their army was running towards capital.

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    Re: Russian Military uniforms

    Post  George1 on Thu Dec 31, 2015 10:13 am

    Russian Armed Forces Complete Transition to New Field Uniforms

    According to deputy defense minister, the Russian army has fully adopted new all-season sets of field uniforms.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) – The Russian Armed Forces have fully adopted new uniforms, including in the Arctic region, Deputy Defense Minister Dmitry Bulgakov said Thursday.

    "As we planned before the end of 2015, the Russian army has fully completed the transition to wearing new all-season sets of field uniforms, while soldiers deployed in the Arctic have been provided with new Arctic uniforms," Bulgakov told reporters.

    The deputy minister added that officers, warrant officers and contract soldiers have all completed a full transition to a new form of casual dress code.

    "To date, the Russian Armed Forces clothing supply service stands at 100 percent," he underscored.

    Bulgakov specified that over 40 million articles of military uniforms have been distributed this year.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20151231/1032531564/russia-armed-forces-new-uniform.html#ixzz3vtAIfdpC


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