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    Post  Vladimir79 on Wed Jul 29, 2009 4:01 pm

    In Canada, experienced the largest European UAV
    28.07.2009

    On the territory of Canada, successfully completed flight testing of the large-sized unmanned aerial vehicle for European development of Barracuda. This July 27, the press service of the European Aerospace and Defense Group (EADS), which is the developer BPLA.

    The tests included a series of four flights in realistic conditions, "and conducted in the Canadian province of Newfoundland and Labrador. Barracuda Demonstrator BPLA implement them fully autonomous. Mission was originally set in motion, and operators with the ground station only watched the security apparatus.

    Tested in Canada bespilotnik is a modification of the original version better BPLA Barracuda, has committed its first flight in 2006. In the new versions used the technical solutions and software, developed under another project of European concern - the creation of an unmanned aerial system, Agile.

    The new apparatus, as a source of stresses, is a universal software and modular properties. With this perspective it can be used to perform a wider range of tasks.

    Note that the initial prototype of unmanned aircraft, Barracuda, has made its first flight in February 2006, crashed a few months later when landing. After this program, in which Germany and Spain, has been suspended. Advanced BPLA for testing was built in November 2008.
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Wed Jul 29, 2009 4:07 pm

    The Canadian Forces are modernizing fleet of armored vehicles
    29.07.2009

    The Canadian Forces (CF) are planning to upgrade or buy new armored vehicles to provide troops better protection, increased mobility and reduction of losses on the battlefield.

    Chief of Staff of the Army of Canada, Lieutenant-General Andrew Leelay announced that on July 8 along with the Federal Cabinet in the GFB Gagetaune was allocated 5.2 billion dollars to upgrade vehicles and purchase new cars. Upgrading technology will make military operations the armed forces of more powerful, faster, better armed. Chief of Staff of the Army reported that 300-m men gathered to hear the announcement.

    The Army has earned the most powerful technique.

    Naturally, every day, Canadian troops risking all in order to ensure the safety of the citizens of Canada and those in need of assistance. Lieutenant-General Leelay said that they heard at least a better level of protection and the most powerful technique that can provide the CF.

    Battle Park is implementing the reconstruction of four projects:

    - According to an improved project (LAVU) light armored vehicles (LAV III) will be renovated 550 units, and possibly another 80 others. Weapons systems will be improved, will have extra armor, and power units, such as the transmission, suspension, chassis and brakes will be replaced. Improvements will extend the existence of LAV III to 2035g.

    - The armed forces will acquire 108 small military vehicles (CCV), and, as an option, perhaps even 30. CCV slozhivschiysya fill the long interval between the LAV III and Leopard 2, allowing infantry to act, accompanied by tanks, with well-protected and the maneuverability of the vehicle, which will have at least the firepower of LAV III.

    - The Armed Forces also gain tactical patrol vehicles (TAPV) to replace the Coyote and the RG-31 and the light infantry battalions practical vehicles. Two hundred units of the intelligence the vehicle will have a crew of four persons including an operator remotely controlled combat module. Three hundred vehicles will be designed for command and control, as well as armored personnel carriers (APC). These vehicles will have a crew of three people will be able to carry four additional soldiers, and will be staffed by RVS. The armed forces will acquire 500 TAPV and possibly another 100 later.

    - As part of the Troops of increased mobility, the armed forces will acquire 13 engineering vehicles (AEV) and the BREM two, with the possibility of acquiring additional vehicles both versions. These replacements for the Badger will be made on Leopard 2 chassis, and their armor will allow them to operate under heavy fire in order to detect mines and other obstacles to the advance of troops, or, in the case of BREM, restore the tanks and other vehicles. The armed forces were ordered to carry out a very strong upgrade its military transport vehicles.

    During the mission in Afghanistan, the Armed Forces were ordered to vigorously apply its military equipment to cross. Taliban insurgents have developed more powerful weapons, it is understood that improvised explosive devices (IED), and all the NATO troops are seeking ways to strengthen the protection of its troops. Military contractors are focused on improving ways to protect a military transport.

    Coyote is well served the Armed Forces, but needed a stronger defense for intelligence and weapons, it was necessary to modernize them according to today's technology. The armed forces are also expected to improve internal ergonomics TAPV - Coyote in the space is very limited, especially when the soldiers have to wear all the gear, including flak jackets. TAPV satisfy the long-standing requirement for a rapid, well-protected vehicle for the transportation of light infantry and military equipment.

    While the projects were approved, the final decision on the specification of vehicles and was not adopted until not finished negotiations with potential producers. Project Manager for the production of CCV, Major Robert Bouchard said that the vehicle will have a high rate of patency and firepower comparable to the LAV III. This will be the infantry vehicle in the future it is planned to be used in exploration. CCV will be equipped with integrated digital communications and other electronics. With a weight of about 30 - 45 tons, to the place of fighting, it will be delivered to the ship or C - 17.

    Mayor Richard Ton, project manager for the development of engineering machinery and BREM said that they are a «dramatic leap forward» in the protection of the crew, as compared with the Badger. They will be equipped with enhanced power supply module, improved hydraulics and Technologies 2010 - 2011 years in contrast to technology 1983 - 1984 years at Badger. The Armed Forces also gain a bulldozer blade, mine plow and mine dump.

    Planned period of commissioning of the engineering machinery and BREM - until 2011, for an improved LAV III s and CCV - until 2012, and for TAPV - until 2013.

    Number of vehicles ordered:

    LAV III - more than 550

    TAPV - more than 500

    CCV - more than 108

    engineering machinery and BREM - over 15

    Total cost: 5.2 billion dollars

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    Post  Turk1 on Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:56 am

    Don't mess with Canada, thier little military means business. cheers
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    Post  George1 on Fri Mar 13, 2015 11:29 am

    Canada Breaking Logjam on Arctic Equipment

    VICTORIA, British Columbia — Canada's military for years has had a wishlist of billions of dollars of new equipment designed to support Arctic operations. But this year it is actually moving ahead on those acquisitions, first with new patrol ships and then by upgrading utility aircraft for operations in the country's northern regions.

    The first steel will be cut on the Royal Canadian Navy's Arctic offshore patrol ships in September. Five ships will be constructed by Irving Shipbuilding of Canada, while Lockheed Martin is handling onboard combat systems in the CAN $3.5 billion (US $3.4 billion) project.

    This year will also see the release of a request for bids on an upgrade program for the Royal Canadian Air Force's CC-138 Twin Otter aircraft, which are used for utility transports in the Arctic. The project is expected to cost $20 million to $49 million.

    "The CC-138 Twin Otter will undergo a life extension program to ensure the fleet remains safe and operationally effective until the UTA [utility transport aircraft] enters service," Air Force spokesman Maj. James Simiana said.

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    The UTA is a proposed new fleet of transport aircraft for the Arctic but isn't expected to be ready to replace the 40-year-old Twin Otters until 2025.

    In the meantime, the upgrade will replace the Twin Otter's wing boxes and install cockpit voice/flight data recorders, improving supportability with a new supply chain of parts, according to the Air Force.

    In addition, high frequency radios and aircraft spares will be acquired and training devices will be improved.

    The Air Force expects the upgrade contract to be awarded in 2016, with final delivery of the modernized Twin Otters in 2020.

    Navy League of Canada analyst Norm Jolin said the focus for new Arctic equipment shouldn't be weapon systems but the austere environment. Much of the Arctic is still uncharted and despite global warming, the region is often inaccessible, said Jolin, a retired Royal Canadian Navy captain.

    "Up in the north, it's still about survival," he said.

    With that in mind, the Canadian Army plans to outfit individual soldiers with new winter warfare equipment, including snowshoes, skis and toboggans. Up to $49 million will be spent on that gear with deliveries to begin in 2021.

    Further into the future, the Army plans to purchase up to 100 all-terrain vehicles capable of operations in the snow. The vehicles would replace tracked BV-206s purchased in the 1980s. The program is estimated to cost between $100 million and $249 million, but the military doesn't expect to go to industry for bids until after 2021.

    Increasing the Canadian government and military's presence in the resource-rich Arctic is a key defense platform for Conservative Party Prime Minister Stephen Harper. In January, he named Julian Fantino as associate defense minister with a focus on Arctic issues.

    Harper contends that the increased military and government presence is needed because oil, gas and minerals in the Arctic are critical to the country's economic growth. The types of incidents the Canadian Forces would most likely have to respond to in the Arctic, Jolin said, would be a major environmental disaster or a search-and-rescue operation, such as aiding a commercial cruise ship that has capsized after hitting an uncharted obstacle.

    "The biggest thing will be coordination, so you'll want to have the ability to mount a command post, have good radios and radars, good surveillance," he said. "It's about command and control, power generation and communications."
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    Post  George1 on Wed Apr 22, 2015 1:00 am

    Canada Eyes Lighter, Stronger Armor

    VICTORIA, British Columbia — Canadian defense scientists are aiming to create armor that is 25 percent lighter than existing materials while offering the same or more protection.

    The Canadian program will use boron nitride nanotubes or BNNTs, which are 100 times stronger than steel and have 17 times the strength of Kevlar.

    While boron nitride nanotubes have been seen as a new potential material for armor, what makes the Canadian effort different is that the scientists have put in place the largest production capacity in the world for BNNTs. That creates the first possibility of producing the advanced material on a large scale.

    "It shows a lot of promise and [it's] the one we're focusing on the most right now," said Guy Vezina, director general, science and technology – Army for Defence Research and Development Canada (DRDC).

    DRDC is the science and research organization for the Canadian Forces and the Department of National Defence.

    BNNTs are an advanced material similar in structure to carbon nanotubes. Both types of miniature materials are developed in a laboratory and are known for their strength and fire retardant properties.

    But BNNTs have an advantage in that they can survive temperatures to around 800 degrees Celsius, about twice as high as carbon nanotubes. BNNTs are more chemically stable, and they are also transparent.

    In 2009, US researchers were able to create the first practical macroscopic yarn from BNNTs.

    Canada has now taken that further.

    In August 2014, the Canadian government's National Research Council in Ottawa announced it had made a breakthrough with the world's first pilot scale production of boron nitride nanotubes. Previously, BNNTs were being produced in very small quantities but the NRC's process involves a production rate 100 times faster than any earlier technologies.

    That could pave the way for mass production of the material in a fibrous form.

    "The National Research Council's breakthrough on boron nitride nanotube production will give Canadian companies first access to this powerful new material and a significant lead in prototyping, manufacturing and commercializing high-value products from it," Duncan Stewart, the NRC's general manager of Security and Disruptive Technologies, said in a statement.

    NRC says its boron nitride nanotube production capacity is the largest in the world, producing up to 20 grams per hour. It also produces carbon nanotubes at a rate of about two grams a minute.

    Although such material will eventually be useful in the automotive, aerospace and construction industries, the focus for Canadian scientists is first using BNNTs to improve armor protection.

    That could be for individual soldiers or vehicles. The BNNTs could eventually be added to strengthen existing ceramic armor or produce stand-alone products for vehicles or troops. The BNNTs could also be used to make transparent face shields for soldiers or windows for armored vehicles to improve situational awareness.

    NRC and DRDC will now work together, with Canadian industry, to not only produce the new material for the Canadian military but to position Canadian companies to take advantage of the technology.

    "We're interested in industry having the capability eventually to answer DND's [Department of National Defence] demands," Vezina said. "We're interested in challenging industry to take every opportunity to innovate so they can meet or ideally surpass our expectations."

    NRC and DRDC will now create a roadmap for further development and testing and cooperation with Canadian universities and industry.

    Vezina said the entire process is expected to take up to seven years. But NRC officials are optimistic that some products could be developed within the next several years.

    Although Canada is focusing on BNNTs, Vezina said it would not overlook other potential materials for armor or protective equipment, such as graphene.

    Graphene, an advanced material, is extremely strong, efficiently conducts heat and electricity, and is made of carbon. Some scientists have developed a process to transform carbon nanotubes into graphene. They have also experimented on combining the two to make a stronger material.

    Vezina said Canada's allies are also conducting research into graphene.

    In addition, the South Korean government announced April 6 that it plans to produce and sell industrial products using graphene as early as 2017. It is looking at mass production of the material by 2020 and has established a plan that involves 45 private firms and research institutes.

    "We expect to secure 85 key technologies related to graphene by 2020 through cooperation between the public and private sectors under the new plan," South Korea's Ministry of Trade, Industry and Energy stated in an April 6 news release.

    While such materials potentially provide new ways to significantly improve armor, Vezina cautions that coming up with methods of protecting vehicles and soldiers is a continuing process. Threats constantly evolve, he added.

    The sharing of technology among adversaries ensures that improvements in the development of improvised explosive devices and other weapons can quickly find their way into various conflict zones.

    "Then it's a matter of imagination on how to use these devices and how to adapt quickly," Vezina explained. "It will always be a challenge to stay ahead. The adversaries will adjust."
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    Post  Book. on Sun Jul 19, 2015 7:13 pm

    Canadian Army to trail NovAtel's new GAJT-AE anti-jam antenna
    Geoff Fein, Washington, DC - IHS Jane's Defence Week 14 July 2015

    Key Points

    • An upcoming GAJT demonstration falls under the BCIP


    • NovAtel has sold GAJT-AE to international customers for use on UAVs


    The Canadian Army will begin field testing later in 2015 a new and smaller NovAtel GPS anti-jam antenna that is receiver-agnostic and can be retrofitted onto legacy vehicles.

    NovAtel makes three variants of its GPS Anti-Jam Technology (GAJT): the GAJT-710ML for light armoured vehicles; GAJT-710MS for marine vessels; and the GPS Anti-Jam Antenna Electronics (GAJT-AE) for smaller high-valued vehicles, towed weapons, and unmanned platforms that have a need for an external antenna in size and weight constrained environments.

    Testing of the latest NovAtel system, the GAJT-AE, is being conducted through the Canadian government's Build in Canada Innovation Program (BCIP), which enables procurement and testing systems that are at a technology readiness (TRL) level 6 to 7.

    http://www.janes.com/article/53019/canadian-army-to-trail-novatel-s-new-gajt-ae-anti-jam-antenna

    GAJT - GPS Anti-Jam Technology

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    Post  Project Canada on Mon Jul 20, 2015 3:04 am


    not sure what vehicle this is, can someone ID?

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    Post  Book. on Mon Jul 20, 2015 4:13 am

    Project Canada wrote:
    not sure what vehicle this is, can someone ID?

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    Post  George1 on Mon Jul 20, 2015 4:35 am

    Project Canada wrote:
    not sure what vehicle this is, can someone ID?


    is this in Canadian army?


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    Post  GarryB on Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:25 am

    Looks like a Ferret Scout car without the top small MG turret...


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    Post  max steel on Tue Oct 20, 2015 9:08 pm

    New-look Canada to dump the F-35 and pull out of Syrian strikes. The newly elected Liberal prime minister, Justin Trudeau, is reportedly following through on his September pledge to ditch the expensive next-gen fighter jet. Trudeau also vowed to pull Canada from Syrian airstrike missions Laughing

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    Post  Militarov on Tue Oct 27, 2015 8:39 pm

    "Canada to start a new fighter competition programme

    The new Canadian government intends to start from scratch the programme for the new fighter aircraft to replace the Boeing CF-18, according to Reuters. The newly elected Liberals have decided to scrap the Lockheed Martin F-35 acquisition plans and seek a more affordable solution. A new request for proposals will be issued along with a new list of specifications that will have nothing to do with the previously submitted bids."

    People mentioning Dassault Rafale as favored choice in this renewed programme.

    Source: http://worlddefencenews.blogspot.rs/2015/10/canada-to-start-new-fighter-competition.html
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:38 am

    Militarov wrote:"Canada to start a new fighter competition programme

    The new Canadian government intends to start from scratch the programme for the new fighter aircraft to replace the Boeing CF-18, according to Reuters. The newly elected Liberals have decided to scrap the Lockheed Martin F-35 acquisition plans and seek a more affordable solution. A new request for proposals will be issued along with a new list of specifications that will have nothing to do with the previously submitted bids."

    People mentioning Dassault Rafale as favored choice in this renewed programme.

    Source: http://worlddefencenews.blogspot.rs/2015/10/canada-to-start-new-fighter-competition.html

    That was fast, so this basically gonna be a Typhoon vs the Rafale competition.
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    Post  Militarov on Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:51 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Militarov wrote:"Canada to start a new fighter competition programme

    The new Canadian government intends to start from scratch the programme for the new fighter aircraft to replace the Boeing CF-18, according to Reuters. The newly elected Liberals have decided to scrap the Lockheed Martin F-35 acquisition plans and seek a more affordable solution. A new request for proposals will be issued along with a new list of specifications that will have nothing to do with the previously submitted bids."

    People mentioning Dassault Rafale as favored choice in this renewed programme.

    Source: http://worlddefencenews.blogspot.rs/2015/10/canada-to-start-new-fighter-competition.html

    That was fast, so this basically gonna be a Typhoon vs the Rafale competition.

    I expect them to restart whole competition, launch new one basically, so i guess US will try with Super Hornets and i kinda expect Gripen NG, i highly doubt SAAB will miss a chance to try obtaining another contract. Depends what starting requests will be set, US might even try with F15SE, you never know.
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Wed Oct 28, 2015 2:00 am

    Militarov wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Militarov wrote:"Canada to start a new fighter competition programme

    The new Canadian government intends to start from scratch the programme for the new fighter aircraft to replace the Boeing CF-18, according to Reuters. The newly elected Liberals have decided to scrap the Lockheed Martin F-35 acquisition plans and seek a more affordable solution. A new request for proposals will be issued along with a new list of specifications that will have nothing to do with the previously submitted bids."

    People mentioning Dassault Rafale as favored choice in this renewed programme.

    Source: http://worlddefencenews.blogspot.rs/2015/10/canada-to-start-new-fighter-competition.html

    That was fast, so this basically gonna be a Typhoon vs the Rafale competition.

    I expect them to restart whole competition, launch new one basically, so i guess US will try with Super Hornets and i kinda expect Gripen NG, i highly doubt SAAB will miss a chance to try obtaining another contract. Depends what starting requests will be set, US might even try with F15SE, you never know.

    That's to be expected, but it's basically gonna come to the Typhoon vs the Rafale. Neutral
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    Post  Militarov on Wed Oct 28, 2015 2:12 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Militarov wrote:"Canada to start a new fighter competition programme

    The new Canadian government intends to start from scratch the programme for the new fighter aircraft to replace the Boeing CF-18, according to Reuters. The newly elected Liberals have decided to scrap the Lockheed Martin F-35 acquisition plans and seek a more affordable solution. A new request for proposals will be issued along with a new list of specifications that will have nothing to do with the previously submitted bids."

    People mentioning Dassault Rafale as favored choice in this renewed programme.

    Source: http://worlddefencenews.blogspot.rs/2015/10/canada-to-start-new-fighter-competition.html

    That was fast, so this basically gonna be a Typhoon vs the Rafale competition.

    I expect them to restart whole competition, launch new one basically, so i guess US will try with Super Hornets and i kinda expect Gripen NG, i highly doubt SAAB will miss a chance to try obtaining another contract. Depends what starting requests will be set, US might even try with F15SE, you never know.

    That's to be expected, but it's basically gonna come to the Typhoon vs the Rafale. Neutral

    Not sure why, i have some feeling in my guts Super Hornet has nice chances here, coz they already used its older brother.
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Wed Oct 28, 2015 3:39 am

    Militarov wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Militarov wrote:"Canada to start a new fighter competition programme

    The new Canadian government intends to start from scratch the programme for the new fighter aircraft to replace the Boeing CF-18, according to Reuters. The newly elected Liberals have decided to scrap the Lockheed Martin F-35 acquisition plans and seek a more affordable solution. A new request for proposals will be issued along with a new list of specifications that will have nothing to do with the previously submitted bids."

    People mentioning Dassault Rafale as favored choice in this renewed programme.

    Source: http://worlddefencenews.blogspot.rs/2015/10/canada-to-start-new-fighter-competition.html

    That was fast, so this basically gonna be a Typhoon vs the Rafale competition.

    I expect them to restart whole competition, launch new one basically, so i guess US will try with Super Hornets and i kinda expect Gripen NG, i highly doubt SAAB will miss a chance to try obtaining another contract. Depends what starting requests will be set, US might even try with F15SE, you never know.

    That's to be expected, but it's basically gonna come to the Typhoon vs the Rafale. Neutral

    Not sure why, i have some feeling in my guts Super Hornet has nice chances here, coz they already used its older brother.

    What, i thought they were already using the Super Hornet, that changes things, considering this is being done for economic reasons the SH will probably win.

    And afterwords they'll have enough cash to invest in the updated Avro Arrow, you know jobs and whatnot.
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    Post  Militarov on Wed Oct 28, 2015 3:50 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Militarov wrote:"Canada to start a new fighter competition programme

    The new Canadian government intends to start from scratch the programme for the new fighter aircraft to replace the Boeing CF-18, according to Reuters. The newly elected Liberals have decided to scrap the Lockheed Martin F-35 acquisition plans and seek a more affordable solution. A new request for proposals will be issued along with a new list of specifications that will have nothing to do with the previously submitted bids."

    People mentioning Dassault Rafale as favored choice in this renewed programme.

    Source: http://worlddefencenews.blogspot.rs/2015/10/canada-to-start-new-fighter-competition.html

    That was fast, so this basically gonna be a Typhoon vs the Rafale competition.

    I expect them to restart whole competition, launch new one basically, so i guess US will try with Super Hornets and i kinda expect Gripen NG, i highly doubt SAAB will miss a chance to try obtaining another contract. Depends what starting requests will be set, US might even try with F15SE, you never know.

    That's to be expected, but it's basically gonna come to the Typhoon vs the Rafale. Neutral

    Not sure why, i have some feeling in my guts Super Hornet has nice chances here, coz they already used its older brother.

    What, i thought they were already using the Super Hornet, that changes things, considering this is being done for economic reasons the SH will probably win.

    And afterwords they'll have enough cash to invest in the updated Avro Arrow, you know jobs and whatnot.

    Ye, they are using CF-18 Hornet which is basically F/A-18 Hornet. Super Hornet would be significant update, and still would cost alot less than F35, partially due to fact pilots would require quite cheap training compared to switching to totally new platform.

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    Post  cracker on Mon Nov 02, 2015 12:19 am

    Canada should get the Rafale, it's not even disputable. The UK should have gotten the Rafale, now they are stuck with a mediocre typhoon and joke named F-35 (not available before what, 4 years more?). Basically it's the best multirole fighter if you only got to have one type of aircraft. Canada smallish airforce will do great with that. If they go again with some american plane, it's pure lobbying. Gripen is useless, it's a cheap plane for the poorer countries that still want a decent and cheap to operate aircraft. Kind of F-16 alternative. Canada-France relations would benefit greatly of a good rafale deal. (80% produced in canada maybe)
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    Post  Militarov on Mon Nov 02, 2015 12:39 am

    cracker wrote:Canada should get the Rafale, it's not even disputable. The UK should have gotten the Rafale, now they are stuck with a mediocre typhoon and joke named F-35 (not available before what, 4 years more?). Basically it's the best multirole fighter if you only got to have one type of aircraft. Canada smallish airforce will do great with that. If they go again with some american plane, it's pure lobbying. Gripen is useless, it's a cheap plane for the poorer countries that still want a decent and cheap to operate aircraft. Kind of F-16 alternative. Canada-France relations would benefit greatly of a good rafale deal. (80% produced in canada maybe)

    Well its not that easy, while Rafale is truly very good multirole all round platform, EF2000 outperforms it in some fields, atm especially in far wider range of armaments available and somewhat more potent A-A capabilities.

    To be frank Gripen is not that cheap either, and Hungarians seem to have found it quite more expencive to operate than it was claimed by SaaB. But if Canada would go for Gripen it would be Gripen NG which should be quite good fighter, alot of stuff in fairly small platform. Well 80% is abit too much, France tends to be quite conservative when its about Know-How and licence building, but assembly for sure would be possible.

    US lobby in Canada is very strong, so they might try to get away from F35 and get Super Hornet instead, to mend relations they affected abit by bailing from F35 purchase, but thats just now my speculation.
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    Re: Canadian Forces (CF): Equipment and News

    Post  GarryB on Mon Nov 02, 2015 8:39 am

    Does Canada need a modern fighter... why not fit a radar to a modern light business jet and use them as multirole aircraft... VIP business transport and air patrol aircraft... Laughing


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    Re: Canadian Forces (CF): Equipment and News

    Post  higurashihougi on Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:03 am

    Militarov wrote:
    cracker wrote:Canada should get the Rafale, it's not even disputable. The UK should have gotten the Rafale, now they are stuck with a mediocre typhoon and joke named F-35 (not available before what, 4 years more?). Basically it's the best multirole fighter if you only got to have one type of aircraft. Canada smallish airforce will do great with that. If they go again with some american plane, it's pure lobbying. Gripen is useless, it's a cheap plane for the poorer countries that still want a decent and cheap to operate aircraft. Kind of F-16 alternative. Canada-France relations would benefit greatly of a good rafale deal. (80% produced in canada maybe)

    Well its not that easy, while Rafale is truly very good multirole all round platform, EF2000 outperforms it in some fields, atm especially in far wider range of armaments available and somewhat more potent A-A capabilities.

    To be frank Gripen is not that cheap either, and Hungarians seem to have found it quite more expencive to operate than it was claimed by SaaB. But if Canada would go for Gripen it would be Gripen NG which should be quite good fighter, alot of stuff in fairly small platform. Well 80% is abit too much, France tends to be quite conservative when its about Know-How and licence building, but assembly for sure would be possible.

    US lobby in Canada is very strong, so they might try to get away from F35 and get Super Hornet instead, to mend relations they affected abit by bailing from F35 purchase, but thats just now my speculation.

    No.

    If what I heard and believe is correct, then, Rafale, EF Typhoon, Gripen,... and other EU canards are just s3xtoys. Their aerodynamic characteristics are even inferior than MiG-21.

    It's not like I understand all the details, but as far as I know, the largest weakness of EU canards is that, they have poor maneuverability and cannot achieve high AoA. Their wings and hulls completely block the vertical stab at high AoA. That means, at high AoA, EU canards' vertical stab lost its function, and EU canard lost the stability and fall or even broken.

    Meanwhile, for MiG-21, the horizontal tail and the wing lie in different planes, between them is a big gap. At high AoA, wind can go through that gap to access the vertical stab, prevents it from lost the function. For fighters like MiG-25/31, F-15, Su-27...37, Mig-29/35, people make 2 vertical stabs at the edge of the hull, so that the hull won't block the vertical stab at high AoA.

    For MiG 1.44, it is similar to EU canards, but people make 2 vertical stabs and the edge of the hull, and parts of the vertical stabs are not blocked by the wings. And the vertical stabs are angled outwards to access the wind. So that MiG 1.44 can achieve reasonable AoA. But still MiG 1.44 probably is less maneuverable than Su-27 or MiG-29.

    All that means, EU canards can't have high AoA, and no high AoA means pathetic maneuverability, no ability to make a quick turn, cannot quickly change direction => very terrible in air fight. Meanwhile, MiG-25/31, F-15, Su-27...37, Mig-29/35 have good maneverability.

    EU canards design, similar to A-12/SR-71, is only good for dashing foward at very high speed and can fly long distance, but for achieving this the design virtually sacrifice maneuverability and stability. In short, EU canards are pure s3xtoys.

    Not to mention that, even with such "dashing foward" design, EU canards have pathetic max speed. Rafale is M1.8, Typhoon is M2.2. Meanwhile Su-27 is M2.35 and F-15 is M2.5. That means EU canards's engines are pathetic.

    About Rafale... it is the most s3xtoy amongst EU canards. Rafale has ram inlet, same level at MiG-19 (while MiG-21 already has more advanced conical inlet, and MiG-25/31, F-15, Su-27...37, Mig-29/35 have electronically controlled intake ramps). It has pathetic max speed (only M1.8, even slower than Su-30), the radar is pure s3xtoy and has terrible resolution.

    I expect nothing from Rafale, it is the living fossil from MiG-21 era.
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    Re: Canadian Forces (CF): Equipment and News

    Post  Militarov on Mon Nov 02, 2015 5:51 pm

    GarryB wrote:Does Canada need a modern fighter... why not fit a radar to a modern light business jet and use them as multirole aircraft... VIP business transport and air patrol aircraft...  Laughing

    Haha, well Canadians actually kinda boast quite significant armed forces...i guess they need to have capabilities of certain standard to answer the call of NATO masters when needed Smile But as you said really they wouldnt need anything more powerful than Super Tucano A29s as "fighter". Who is going to invade Canada, Eskimos?


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