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    Re: US and Russian Military Spacecrafts

    Post  max steel on Sun Aug 09, 2015 9:00 pm

    Exactly I agree with seph dont get carried away by looking their desirable projekts. They were hyping over a new hypersonic arclight missile and later they terminated it.
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    Re: US and Russian Military Spacecrafts

    Post  kvs on Sun Aug 09, 2015 10:25 pm

    Project Canada wrote:US to develop reusable spacecraft to launch military satellites quickly & cheaply


    In four years? Please put the crack pipe down, RT, Boeing et al.

    The current level of funding ($6.5 million) indicates pure paper research and not development work.



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    Re: US and Russian Military Spacecrafts

    Post  mutantsushi on Mon Aug 10, 2015 12:33 am

    If this was about cheap for commercial market, it would be funded by NASA, not US DOD.
    US DOD launches on legacy rockets are crazy expensive, so cheap by that standard doesn't mean shit re: commercial market.
    Russia probably should continue to pursue it's re-usability projects, and their next-gen natural gas fueled launcher enables that.
    (less deposits on engine allowing more re-usability)
    But the competition there is commercial producers like SpaceX, the ULA/BlueOrigin project, and ESA, not US DOD babies.
    SpaceX's reusability is incidentally the least efficient, trying to return the entire launcher, ULA (and now ESA) plan to return only engines.
    Angara supposedly is aiming for 20% cheaper than Proton, and I just don't expect more than 1 competitor to beat it on price,
    with dynamics of commercial market needing 3 vendors, that means Russia will be on board, regardless.

    This US DOD project seems more about their military needs, they want to be able to re-launch these ASAP,
    probably aiming to be able to re-populate their sat fleet after some is taken out by attack or natural event,
    and "cheap" here is cheap in contrast to alternative, keeping equivalent fleet in storage/maintenance ready to launch,
    vs. re-usable craft that can re-launch in order to achieve same launch rate in 2 weeks, for example.
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    Re: US and Russian Military Spacecrafts

    Post  BlackArrow on Sat Aug 29, 2015 2:15 pm

    kvs wrote:
    Project Canada wrote:US to develop reusable spacecraft to launch military satellites quickly & cheaply


    In four years?   Please put the crack pipe down, RT, Boeing et al.  

    The current level of funding ($6.5 million) indicates pure paper research and not development work.



    They don't need 4 years, such a spacecraft already exists Have you never heard of X-37B?

    I don't see why they can't easily adapt such a spacecraft for satellite launches.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_X-37#X-37B_2



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    Re: US and Russian Military Spacecrafts

    Post  kvs on Sat Aug 29, 2015 3:50 pm

    BlackArrow wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    Project Canada wrote:US to develop reusable spacecraft to launch military satellites quickly & cheaply


    In four years?   Please put the crack pipe down, RT, Boeing et al.  

    The current level of funding ($6.5 million) indicates pure paper research and not development work.



    They don't need 4 years, such a spacecraft already exists Have you never heard of X-37B?

    I don't see why they can't easily adapt such a spacecraft for satellite launches.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_X-37#X-37B_2




    Where do you think the salaries of the researchers come from? Over a 5 year period project the salary costs alone are
    several million dollars. And both government agencies and private companies pay their workers from transient project
    money so you can't claim that they get their salaries from somewhere else.

    Converting this toy into a full scale craft will take hundreds of millions of dollars if not billions. It takes 300 million
    dollars to do a single research satellite launch and that does not include the cost of developing and building the satellite.
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    Russia is developing a response to the US space plane bomber

    Post  Big_Gazza on Sat Aug 29, 2015 4:39 pm

    BlackArrow wrote:
    They don't need 4 years, such a spacecraft already exists Have you never heard of X-37B?

    I don't see why they can't easily adapt such a spacecraft for satellite launches.

    The X-37B can't be adapted to launch satellites because it IS a satellite (albeit a maneuvering and re-usable one).  It has no appreciable engines of its own (only the equivalent of an orbital insertion stage), and it requires an (expendable) Atlas EELV to get into orbit.  Any reuseable vehicle used to deliver satellites into orbit also needs to deliver ITSELF to orbit, and therefore requires far greater launch mass for a given payload than an expendable system.  Any satellite small enough to fit within the payload range of a X-37-style rocket rider could be launched quicker, cheaper and more reliably on a light launcher, eg a Rokot-type silo-based launcher with storable propellents, kept on standby like an ICBM, onto which a containerised payload could be deployed.

    Any reusable satellite launcher for significantly bigger payloads would require a vehicle more like the Shuttle or Buran, and that certainly will NOT be cheap.
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    Re: US and Russian Military Spacecrafts

    Post  George1 on Sun Oct 04, 2015 2:33 pm

    VKS: US spaceplane X-37B - a simple object for monitoring Russia

    According to the Chief of Staff of the Army 15 videoconferencing, look for X-37B - this is a very simple task. Kosmoplan so big that his every move much, he said.

    MOSCOW, October 3 - RIA Novosti. The Russian space monitoring system to easily see the slightest movement of the American perspective spaceplane, said on Saturday, the army chief of staff 15 FSI (special purpose), Major-General Anatoly Nestechuk.

    Earlier it was reported that an unmanned orbital spaceplane developed the X-37 Boeing's interests the US Defense Department. Since 2010, the United States carried out a three-run devices Series X-37B. The main mission of the mini-shuttle is considered to be the ability to deliver small loads into space, as well as intelligence activities. At the disposal of the US Air Force is now two devices X-37B. The last mission, launched in December 2012, lasted a record 675 days.

    Space Forces Day annually celebrated in Russia on October 4.

    "It is for us the easiest task - to look for the X-37B. It is so big that it is to turn left or right, we have already noted his every move", - said Nestechuk in the "General Staff" radio RSN.

    Previously also reported that Russia is developing the project, which will be the answer to the American system of the X-37.


    Talking about the space control system, it is also noted that the Space Forces are actively monitored to ensure that the International Space Station (ISS) collided with space debris, and sometimes even have to re-examine these colleagues from the United States.

    "Just recently, the US side has given information about the dangerous proximity of the International Space Station with one of the space debris - the probability of convergence was very large. The specialists of space control system of our compounds have been translated and performed work on the analysis of the situation, and we have issued almost zero probability this dangerous approach - check us a little bit, too, in their ability to perform tasks in this direction, "- said Nestechuk.

    "Until today, maybe we have enough funds, but brains - Mathematics - allows very high quality", - he added.

    Space surveillance systems (SKKP) was established to monitor the satellites and other space objects and is the main catalog of space objects. This is a basic element of Russia's unified information system for the global monitoring of the situation in outer space. SKKP In addition, this system consists of a single early-warning system (EWS), as well as power and missile (ABM) and the defense (PVO).

    https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=2&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20151003/1296222546.html&usg=ALkJrhj4nPpaI5n15Skt49hXyYKBTufH9g


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    Re: US and Russian Military Spacecrafts

    Post  Militarov on Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:26 pm

    "The United Nations General Assembly has approved a Russian-led resolution calling for nations to refrain from being the first to deploy weapons into outer space, in spite of U.S. resistance and European silence on the proposed measure, the Foreign Ministry said in a statement. The resolution was first drafted by Russia in 2014, but was rejected by the United States and other nations last year, and then again this year, when the draft resolution was considered by a GA committee focusing on issues of arms control.

    On Tuesday, 129 nations represented in the General Assembly voted to adopt the measure, which was co-sponsored by 40 nations — including China and Syria — and is known as the “no first placement” initiative. “It is noteworthy that the only government objecting to the substance of our initiative is the United States, which for many years has stood in almost complete isolation trying to block successive efforts of the international community to prevent an arms race in outer space,” the Foreign Ministry said. The initiative calls on nations to refrain from being the first to place military weapons in outer space, thereby preventing a new and potentially devastating arms race between the world's leading space-faring nations — Russia, China and the United States, who are all working on space weapons.


    Europe, which has an effective multi-national space program of its own, has consistently abstained from ruling on the Russian proposal. The United States maintains that Russia's resolution does not adequately define space weapons, and ignores an entire class of ground-launched space arms — such as anti-satellite missiles tested by China. The resolution is nonbinding, but calls for negotiations held at the Conference on Disarmament in Geneva to put forth a legally binding international treaty preventing weapons from being deployed in space, and calls on all states to adopt national commitments to the resolution."


    Source: http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/un-backs-russian-proposal-ban-weapons-space-us-stands-opposed/ri11745
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    Re: US and Russian Military Spacecrafts

    Post  Project Canada on Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:50 pm

    If this will give Russia a stronger MAD capability by deploying nukes in space as well, then maybe go ahead with it. Imagine Russia parking dozens of megaton warheads above Pindostani heads Laughing
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    Re: US and Russian Military Spacecrafts

    Post  max steel on Wed Jan 06, 2016 5:44 pm

    USSR loved lasers in the last decades of its life, so they did a lot of experiments with it. Laser tank projects were a common thing that day - famous Szhatiye or Sangvin -they generated a lot of data, etc.

    For example, initially in response to Shuttle USSR scientists wanted to launch not Buran, but Spiral. Politicians were too afraid of that project and closed it prior to Buran.

    Allow me to illustrate the idea:






    The most interesting thing that project's idea included a manoeuvrable space fights! It was a fighter too! USSR seriously thought about a space Star Wars like wars and kept testing technologies for this project.

    That was like golden age of USSR military science. When System already emerged, from the school till the Design Bureau. Soviets were not afraid of difficult task - for example Spiral project required a hypersonic carrier plane - "well, ok, let us design one, oh, i have an idea!", something like that.
    And there were a lot of project with very brave ideas. For example USSR wanted to crush Tomcat once and for all and designed a ballistic-takeoff heavy carrier based fighter.

    The philosophical idea behind it was "You can not win the race if you concentrate on pursuing. You have to use shortcuts and concentrated on surpassing". This is why USSR extensively researched sometimes too brave concepts - search for a shortcut.
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    Russia builds exo-athmospheric hypersonic strategic bomber

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:26 pm

    i do not know where to attach this info pls advise or just move to respective thread. Thx

    BTW in hypersonic thread there is info about Russian railgun with projectile speed higher then Escape Velocity...


    Russia is working on a bomber to perform tasks in space
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    MOSCOW, July 13 — RIA Novosti. Russia is developing a hypersonic bomber able to strike from the air space and outer space, told RIA Novosti the Professor of branch of Military Academy of the strategic Missile forces (RVSN) Colonel Alexey Solodovnikov.

    Earlier, the commander of the strategic missile forces, Colonel-General Sergei Karakayev announced that the Serpukhov branch of the Military Academy RVSN named after Peter the Great developed and tested the engine for advanced aerospace aircraft. The unit is scheduled to present at the international military-technical forum "Army-2016".
    "The idea is this: with conventional airfields, it will take off to patrol the airspace. Command — space to accomplish strike missions, and returned back to their base. This is a strategic aircraft", — said Solodovnikov.
    He added that the new machine will have a broad experience and be able for one to two hours to reach any point of the planet through space.
    "We attract TSAGI (Central Aerohydrodynamic Institute), because they will have to help with the glider, now we will determine the characteristics of the aircraft. I think that the starting weight will be 20-25 tons, so it was a shock. It is planned that there will be a hypersonic missile mode", — said Solodovnikov.
    The prototype turbofan engine, which can operate in atmosphere and space to switch to flight mode, will be created by 2020.


    РИА Новости http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20160713/1465167464.html#ixzz4EIWAqCGN


    So not Ajax but something closer to Klipper? or 20-25 tonnes of payload then we have something Ajax like.




    Prototype engine for space bomber will be created by 2020

    MOSCOW, July 13 -. RIA Novosti An experienced motor model for the Russian aerospace bomber will be created in 2020, told RIA Novosti on Wednesday, a teacher, a branch of the Military Academy of the Strategic Missile Forces (RVSN) Colonel Alexei Solodovnikov, who developed the engine for future aircraft.


    Earlier, the commander of the Strategic Missile Forces, Colonel-General Sergei Karakayev said that in the Serpukhov branch of the Military Academy of the Strategic Missile Forces named after Peter the Great was developed and tested the engine for future aerospace plane. This engine is scheduled to be presented at the international military-technical forum "Army 2016".

    "Now we want to first discuss the nuances about a year we work will take place, and we will make a scheme, perhaps it will be completely different. When it is determined with the scheme will make the engine itself. In the second year, that is, in 2018, we will begin to do has iron Maybe I'm in a hurry, and there will be some questions, but by 2020 "piece of iron" should be working "-. Solodovnikov said.

    According to him, cooperation of companies that will participate in the project will be determined in the course of scientific and technical council, which will be held in late

    "The idea is such that the engine turns Turbofan, which means it can work in both the atmosphere and the switch in a space flight mode without air, and all on one machine. At the moment, these engines is not in Russia, in a power plant are combined two motors at once - the aircraft and the rocket one, "- said the developer.



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    Re: US and Russian Military Spacecrafts

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Jul 14, 2016 1:09 pm

    The story continues...


    Russia is working on a bomber to perform tasks in space

    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20160713/1465167464.html

    MOSCOW, July 13 — RIA Novosti. Russia is developing a hypersonic bomber able to strike from the air space and outer space, told RIA Novosti the Professor of branch of Military Academy of the strategic Missile forces (RVSN) Colonel Alexey Solodovnikov.

    Earlier, the commander of the strategic missile forces, Colonel-General Sergei Karakayev announced that the Serpukhov branch of the Military Academy RVSN named after Peter the Great developed and tested the engine for advanced aerospace aircraft. The unit is scheduled to present at the international military-technical forum "Army-2016".
    "The idea is this: start from conventional airfields, it will take off to patrol the airspace. After receiving a command — flies into space to accomplish strike missions, and then returns back to their base. This is a strategic aircraft", — said Solodovnikov.
    He added that the new machine will have a broad experience and be able for one to two hours to reach any point of the planet through space.
    "We attract TSAGI (Central Aerohydrodynamic Institute), because they will have to help with the glider, now we will determine the characteristics of the aircraft. I think that the starting weight will be 20-25 tons, so it was a shock. It is planned that hypersonic speed will achieve in rocket  mode", — said Solodovnikov.
    The prototype turbofan engine, which can operate in atmosphere and space to switch to flight mode, will be created by 2020.

    РИА Новости http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20160713/1465167464.html#ixzz4ENYefCf0



    The question is 25tons is very little. Even in unmanned mode world reach with such mass? what is th epayload then? 1ton?
    Then would it be something like militarized BOR-4/Spiral concept? Pls check wiki


    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Спираль_(авиационно-космическая_система)


    Also "on the basis of the Bor-4 was designed maneuvering warheads space-based, whose main task was the bombing of America from space with minimal flight time to the target (5...7 minutes)". Lukashevich V. P., financial Director of JSC "international consortium Multipurpose aerospace system."[10][11][12]

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    Re: US and Russian Military Spacecrafts

    Post  George1 on Thu Jul 14, 2016 5:55 pm

    Defense Ministry refutes reports about the development of a space bomber of the Russian Federation

    Подробнее на ТАСС:
    https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/3454118&usg=ALkJrhjUQZCRIhNhEtCgjF7_sJ9iZbFmkw


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    Re: US and Russian Military Spacecrafts

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:11 pm

    George1 wrote:Defense Ministry refutes reports about the development of a space bomber of the Russian Federation

    Подробнее на ТАСС:
    https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/3454118&usg=ALkJrhjUQZCRIhNhEtCgjF7_sJ9iZbFmkw

    Might be true or might be that is a "controlled leak" for US similar to System 6 "tsunami torpedo" . When TV "accidentally" has shown drawings with parameters. X-37 is built with the same objective as currently mentioned bomber. Now they can take into calculations also this possibility of "guaranteed" response.


    BTW Russia is working on engine for exo-atmospheric flights anyway (6gen fighter)
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    Re: US and Russian Military Spacecrafts

    Post  George1 on Wed Oct 12, 2016 8:06 am

    The US Air Force’s unmanned X-37B space plane has now spent more than 500 days orbiting the Earth, without statement or explanation.

    The 29-foot unmanned plane is part of the Air Force's orbital program. Launched May 20, 2015, it is the program's fourth flight (hence its other name, OTV-4 for Orbital Test Vehicle-4). The first OTV took flight in 2010 and spent 224 days in orbit; two others brought the total number of OTV days in orbit before 2015 to 1,367, according to the Air Force.

    The full purpose or intent of the program? The US Air Force remains mum.

    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/military/201610111046238374-spaceplane-reaches-500-days/


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