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    Re: US and Russian Military Spacecrafts

    Post  Mike E on Thu Nov 06, 2014 9:36 pm

    Viktor wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:
    Major problem with the China way of intercepting satellites is that US have Thousands of them in Orbit.. So China will go bankrupt after the 20-30 rocket launched to intercept one satellite each. The real practical way to shut down enemy satellites in case of a major war.. is militarization of space.. to have battle stations in space with satellites armed with hundreds of mini missiles each that can intercept satellites.. the advantage in space for such system is the no gravity ,significantly help the design of any interceptor ,because they dont require powerful boosters to defeat stationary targets in orbit..Any cheap rocket grenade with fragmentation explosives will be enough to neutralize any satellite .


    US has about 250 satellites and thats it and there is no need to shoot down all of them to criple US abilities to wage war.
    Yep, plus only a select few of those satellites are military, and even less are reconnaissance... 

    China would go bankrupt? They probably already have hundreds of these missiles, and I wouldn't be surprised if they (or Russia for that matter) could destroy them via technology. 

    Battle is space would be a complete disaster, ever heard of the Kessler effect? The ship that would fire the missile would be completely destroyed within hours unless it de-orbits.

    What is up with your recent posts?

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    Re: US and Russian Military Spacecrafts

    Post  Vann7 on Mon Jan 05, 2015 9:05 am

    never new the Buran space shuttle was being build as a military weapon and that it was so advanced
    the things it could do..in space.. Shocked  



    anyone knows if Russia have plans to design another space shuttle?

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    Re: US and Russian Military Spacecrafts

    Post  GarryB on Mon Jan 05, 2015 10:18 am

    The only reason Buran got built was because the Russians thought the US Space Shuttle was a military weapon.

    75% of its launches were with classified payloads that were secret so they weren't that wrong, but they thought it might be used as a space fighter for taking out enemy satellites or capturing them like in that bond movie. they also thought it could be used as a bomber.

    Once they realised it wasn't very practical as a bomber the funding largely stopped.

    As a shuttle from earth to a space station the US Space Shuttle is a horrible failure... grossly expensive and inefficient. For fixing Hubble or retrieving satellites for repair then it is excellent.


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    Re: US and Russian Military Spacecrafts

    Post  George1 on Mon Jan 05, 2015 11:19 am

    we must also note that Buran was unmanned

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    Re: US and Russian Military Spacecrafts

    Post  Vann7 on Tue Jan 06, 2015 1:00 am



    SO is there any hope for Russia to revive their space shuttle program?
    that was the coolest thing imo that Russia ever made. Very Happy And it could even launch mini projectiles
    armed with nukes from its belly .. Shocked That was indeed like science fiction but made it real.

    my top wish will be...

    1)Russia to revive space shuttle but far more ambitious.. with the capability to lift 300 tons of cargo to space..
    and the ability to go to the moon orbit and deploy a base there.

    2)that could be used for space tourism.

    3)a new giant space station in space that could be used to build Giant space rockets to mars.. or mini cities in space.







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    Buran military spacecraft

    Post  GarryB on Tue Jan 06, 2015 8:51 am

    we must also note that Buran was unmanned

    It was designed to be operated by a human crew, but its only flight was done on autopilot.

    SO is there any hope for Russia to revive their space shuttle program?

    Not the old system, but having a really powerful energyia rocket you could piggy back payloads like Buran onto would be very useful for constructing a large space ship in earth orbit to launch towards Mars or the moon.

    my top wish will be...

    Building large space craft in space and then ferrying fuel to fuel it up while in orbit and then launching it to orbit the moon or Mars would be cool and useful, but not cheap.

    perhaps it could be a BRICSA program.

    But I don't expect us to get anywhere in terms of tech progress in the next 40 years at this rate. So we'll be stalled for a good
    80 years. It seems to me to be an industry culture problem and not the result of physical barriers. I haven't seen any radical
    designs proposed by NASA or the RSA.

    Actually technology has moved forward in many areas, but in terms of propulsion and radiation protection we need some ground breaking leaps.

    rather than spin the craft, the ideal will be ion engines that generate say 0.5 g acceleration. this would make the trip to mars or anywhere else much shorter and also make life easier on a spacecraft.

    In zero g there is no natural air circulation... if you stay in one place with no fans blowing air around the place you would quickly suffocate as the carbon dioxide built to toxic levels around you.

    Even minor levels of g force would allow a proper natural air circulation to be created... making fans less necessary.

    I see the current innovation as the privatization of space, demonstrated by SpaceX etc.

    Also the potential for mining would create growth...


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    Re: US and Russian Military Spacecrafts

    Post  Viktor on Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:40 pm

    Nice  thumbsup


    EKO: Russia is developing a response to the US space plane bomber

    Russia is developing a response to the American system of the X-37, said on Saturday, deputy commander of the East Kazakhstan region on defense, Major General Kirill Makarov.

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    Re: US and Russian Military Spacecrafts

    Post  Vann7 on Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:42 pm

    Viktor wrote:Nice  thumbsup


    EKO: Russia is developing a response to the US space plane bomber

    Russia is developing a response to the American system of the X-37, said on Saturday, deputy commander of the East Kazakhstan region on defense, Major General Kirill Makarov.

    I wish Russia didn't was so reactionary and developing things only to counter it when Americans
    Do it.. or testing it.  The X-37 could easily be used to launch nuclear attacks from space and will not follow a ballistic trajectory , but instead a near straight line.  from Top to down. it could also be used to shutdown satellites or sabotage them.. like putting into orbit 100kg of tnt , near every enemy satellite , like a road side bomb but in space. and could be detonated by control remote.. lets say destroy 10-20 satellites without warning at the same time.. Any nation that lose its satellites will have no way to do precision nuclear attacks or conventional ones at long range.


    The future is on space , militarization of it.. is the only way ,to keep Americans on its place..
    It will break treaties for sure . but they do it too.. they are militarizing Russian borders.

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    Re: US and Russian Military Spacecrafts

    Post  Project Canada on Mon Jul 20, 2015 6:09 pm



    Pentagon Alarmed With Russia’s Military Satellite 'Maneuvering Too Much'

    The maneuverability of Russia’s Cosmos-2504 military satellite launched on March 31 from the Plesetsk test site has alarmed the US Air Force, which thinks it may potentially be an “on-orbit anti-satellite weapon.”
    “A Russian military satellite launched in March has made at least 11 close approaches to the rocket upper stage that released it into orbit,” SpaceNews website quotes a spokesman for the US Air Force as saying.

    “Such maneuvering capability is consistent with, but not necessarily indicative of, an on-orbit anti-satellite weapon,” he added.

    Strategic Command’s Joint Space Operations Center (JFCC) at Vandenberg Air Force Base, California is closely watching the satellite, which, it claims, “in at least one case appeared to have nudged the upper stage to a higher orbit “
    Cosmos 2504 was launched along with three communications satellites aboard a Rockot vehicle with a Briz-KM booster stage from Russia’s Plesetsk Cosmodrome on March 31.
    Since then JFCC has been “keeping a close eye” on the satellite. It says on one occasion the satellite approached an unidentified piece of orbital debris. However It has not approached any active satellites.



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    Re: US and Russian Military Spacecrafts

    Post  kvs on Tue Jul 21, 2015 2:20 am

    Good stuff. Let the chauvinist western "planners" stain their underwear. It's some sort of western disease to always dismiss Russia's
    technological capacity and its military capacity. I have been reading and watching this inane propaganda since the 1970s and it clearly has a long
    history.

    It would have been a nice world if after 1991, the west reached out to Russia and engaged it fairly. Instead it wallowed in
    triumphalist masturbation and expected Russia to get on its knees and lick its boots. You reap what you sow, numbskulls!

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    Re: US and Russian Military Spacecrafts

    Post  GarryB on Tue Jul 21, 2015 7:16 am

    If the US wants to ban anti satellite systems I am sure the Russians would sign on the dotted line... the problem is that the US wants to have its own anti satellite systems and ABM systems but it doesn't want anyone else to have them... shame it wont work out for them...



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    Re: US and Russian Military Spacecrafts

    Post  Project Canada on Sun Aug 09, 2015 6:40 pm

    US to develop reusable spacecraft to launch military satellites quickly & cheaply



    Don't have anything to do with Russian space program but the successful creation of this spacecraft from a hostile nation to Russia will cause great disadvantage for Russia and potentially deal severe damage to the prospects of RF's space industry. I do hope Russia has a rival program for this cheap satellite lunch system

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    Re: US and Russian Military Spacecrafts

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Aug 09, 2015 6:43 pm

    Yeah, much like their shuttle program, right? Haha. And Russia can launch minisats with a MiG-31....

    It wont be both. Either it will be cheap or reusable.

    They seem to have quite the ambitions. With also facing reduced budgets and importing engines.

    Ill wait to see it to believe it.

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    Re: US and Russian Military Spacecrafts

    Post  max steel on Sun Aug 09, 2015 9:00 pm

    Exactly I agree with seph dont get carried away by looking their desirable projekts. They were hyping over a new hypersonic arclight missile and later they terminated it.

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    Re: US and Russian Military Spacecrafts

    Post  kvs on Sun Aug 09, 2015 10:25 pm

    Project Canada wrote:US to develop reusable spacecraft to launch military satellites quickly & cheaply


    In four years? Please put the crack pipe down, RT, Boeing et al.

    The current level of funding ($6.5 million) indicates pure paper research and not development work.



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    Re: US and Russian Military Spacecrafts

    Post  mutantsushi on Mon Aug 10, 2015 12:33 am

    If this was about cheap for commercial market, it would be funded by NASA, not US DOD.
    US DOD launches on legacy rockets are crazy expensive, so cheap by that standard doesn't mean shit re: commercial market.
    Russia probably should continue to pursue it's re-usability projects, and their next-gen natural gas fueled launcher enables that.
    (less deposits on engine allowing more re-usability)
    But the competition there is commercial producers like SpaceX, the ULA/BlueOrigin project, and ESA, not US DOD babies.
    SpaceX's reusability is incidentally the least efficient, trying to return the entire launcher, ULA (and now ESA) plan to return only engines.
    Angara supposedly is aiming for 20% cheaper than Proton, and I just don't expect more than 1 competitor to beat it on price,
    with dynamics of commercial market needing 3 vendors, that means Russia will be on board, regardless.

    This US DOD project seems more about their military needs, they want to be able to re-launch these ASAP,
    probably aiming to be able to re-populate their sat fleet after some is taken out by attack or natural event,
    and "cheap" here is cheap in contrast to alternative, keeping equivalent fleet in storage/maintenance ready to launch,
    vs. re-usable craft that can re-launch in order to achieve same launch rate in 2 weeks, for example.

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    Re: US and Russian Military Spacecrafts

    Post  BlackArrow on Sat Aug 29, 2015 2:15 pm

    kvs wrote:
    Project Canada wrote:US to develop reusable spacecraft to launch military satellites quickly & cheaply


    In four years?   Please put the crack pipe down, RT, Boeing et al.  

    The current level of funding ($6.5 million) indicates pure paper research and not development work.



    They don't need 4 years, such a spacecraft already exists Have you never heard of X-37B?

    I don't see why they can't easily adapt such a spacecraft for satellite launches.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_X-37#X-37B_2




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    Re: US and Russian Military Spacecrafts

    Post  kvs on Sat Aug 29, 2015 3:50 pm

    BlackArrow wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    Project Canada wrote:US to develop reusable spacecraft to launch military satellites quickly & cheaply


    In four years?   Please put the crack pipe down, RT, Boeing et al.  

    The current level of funding ($6.5 million) indicates pure paper research and not development work.



    They don't need 4 years, such a spacecraft already exists Have you never heard of X-37B?

    I don't see why they can't easily adapt such a spacecraft for satellite launches.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_X-37#X-37B_2




    Where do you think the salaries of the researchers come from? Over a 5 year period project the salary costs alone are
    several million dollars. And both government agencies and private companies pay their workers from transient project
    money so you can't claim that they get their salaries from somewhere else.

    Converting this toy into a full scale craft will take hundreds of millions of dollars if not billions. It takes 300 million
    dollars to do a single research satellite launch and that does not include the cost of developing and building the satellite.

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    Russia is developing a response to the US space plane bomber

    Post  Big_Gazza on Sat Aug 29, 2015 4:39 pm

    BlackArrow wrote:
    They don't need 4 years, such a spacecraft already exists Have you never heard of X-37B?

    I don't see why they can't easily adapt such a spacecraft for satellite launches.

    The X-37B can't be adapted to launch satellites because it IS a satellite (albeit a maneuvering and re-usable one).  It has no appreciable engines of its own (only the equivalent of an orbital insertion stage), and it requires an (expendable) Atlas EELV to get into orbit.  Any reuseable vehicle used to deliver satellites into orbit also needs to deliver ITSELF to orbit, and therefore requires far greater launch mass for a given payload than an expendable system.  Any satellite small enough to fit within the payload range of a X-37-style rocket rider could be launched quicker, cheaper and more reliably on a light launcher, eg a Rokot-type silo-based launcher with storable propellents, kept on standby like an ICBM, onto which a containerised payload could be deployed.

    Any reusable satellite launcher for significantly bigger payloads would require a vehicle more like the Shuttle or Buran, and that certainly will NOT be cheap.

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    Re: US and Russian Military Spacecrafts

    Post  George1 on Sun Oct 04, 2015 2:33 pm

    VKS: US spaceplane X-37B - a simple object for monitoring Russia

    According to the Chief of Staff of the Army 15 videoconferencing, look for X-37B - this is a very simple task. Kosmoplan so big that his every move much, he said.

    MOSCOW, October 3 - RIA Novosti. The Russian space monitoring system to easily see the slightest movement of the American perspective spaceplane, said on Saturday, the army chief of staff 15 FSI (special purpose), Major-General Anatoly Nestechuk.

    Earlier it was reported that an unmanned orbital spaceplane developed the X-37 Boeing's interests the US Defense Department. Since 2010, the United States carried out a three-run devices Series X-37B. The main mission of the mini-shuttle is considered to be the ability to deliver small loads into space, as well as intelligence activities. At the disposal of the US Air Force is now two devices X-37B. The last mission, launched in December 2012, lasted a record 675 days.

    Space Forces Day annually celebrated in Russia on October 4.

    "It is for us the easiest task - to look for the X-37B. It is so big that it is to turn left or right, we have already noted his every move", - said Nestechuk in the "General Staff" radio RSN.

    Previously also reported that Russia is developing the project, which will be the answer to the American system of the X-37.


    Talking about the space control system, it is also noted that the Space Forces are actively monitored to ensure that the International Space Station (ISS) collided with space debris, and sometimes even have to re-examine these colleagues from the United States.

    "Just recently, the US side has given information about the dangerous proximity of the International Space Station with one of the space debris - the probability of convergence was very large. The specialists of space control system of our compounds have been translated and performed work on the analysis of the situation, and we have issued almost zero probability this dangerous approach - check us a little bit, too, in their ability to perform tasks in this direction, "- said Nestechuk.

    "Until today, maybe we have enough funds, but brains - Mathematics - allows very high quality", - he added.

    Space surveillance systems (SKKP) was established to monitor the satellites and other space objects and is the main catalog of space objects. This is a basic element of Russia's unified information system for the global monitoring of the situation in outer space. SKKP In addition, this system consists of a single early-warning system (EWS), as well as power and missile (ABM) and the defense (PVO).

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    US wants to weaponize near Earth space

    Post  kvs on Wed Dec 09, 2015 3:07 am

    https://consortiumnews.com/2015/12/04/who-wants-to-weaponize-outer-space/

    The US wants to have primacy in everything. But it is going to get an existential shock if it thinks it can dominate Russia
    in space. It is opening a Pandora's box from which it will never recover.

    This idiocy of the self-described "hyper-power" is epic. They kill off the ABM treaty thinking that they can neutralize
    Russia's nuclear forces. Now they want to go down the path of parking nukes in orbit (think of Teller's nuclear detonation
    driven gamma ray laser platforms). Do they expect to be safe and secure from Russian orbiting weapons platforms?
    Do these retards really believe that Russia has no ability to respond? They should consider the performance of the
    S-400 vs. their latest Patriot system. But being retards they have no capacity to engage in such evaluations.

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    Post  Militarov on Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:26 pm

    "The United Nations General Assembly has approved a Russian-led resolution calling for nations to refrain from being the first to deploy weapons into outer space, in spite of U.S. resistance and European silence on the proposed measure, the Foreign Ministry said in a statement. The resolution was first drafted by Russia in 2014, but was rejected by the United States and other nations last year, and then again this year, when the draft resolution was considered by a GA committee focusing on issues of arms control.

    On Tuesday, 129 nations represented in the General Assembly voted to adopt the measure, which was co-sponsored by 40 nations — including China and Syria — and is known as the “no first placement” initiative. “It is noteworthy that the only government objecting to the substance of our initiative is the United States, which for many years has stood in almost complete isolation trying to block successive efforts of the international community to prevent an arms race in outer space,” the Foreign Ministry said. The initiative calls on nations to refrain from being the first to place military weapons in outer space, thereby preventing a new and potentially devastating arms race between the world's leading space-faring nations — Russia, China and the United States, who are all working on space weapons.


    Europe, which has an effective multi-national space program of its own, has consistently abstained from ruling on the Russian proposal. The United States maintains that Russia's resolution does not adequately define space weapons, and ignores an entire class of ground-launched space arms — such as anti-satellite missiles tested by China. The resolution is nonbinding, but calls for negotiations held at the Conference on Disarmament in Geneva to put forth a legally binding international treaty preventing weapons from being deployed in space, and calls on all states to adopt national commitments to the resolution."


    Source: http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/un-backs-russian-proposal-ban-weapons-space-us-stands-opposed/ri11745

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    Re: US and Russian Military Spacecrafts

    Post  Project Canada on Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:50 pm

    If this will give Russia a stronger MAD capability by deploying nukes in space as well, then maybe go ahead with it. Imagine Russia parking dozens of megaton warheads above Pindostani heads Laughing

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    Re: US and Russian Military Spacecrafts

    Post  max steel on Wed Jan 06, 2016 5:44 pm

    USSR loved lasers in the last decades of its life, so they did a lot of experiments with it. Laser tank projects were a common thing that day - famous Szhatiye or Sangvin -they generated a lot of data, etc.

    For example, initially in response to Shuttle USSR scientists wanted to launch not Buran, but Spiral. Politicians were too afraid of that project and closed it prior to Buran.

    Allow me to illustrate the idea:






    The most interesting thing that project's idea included a manoeuvrable space fights! It was a fighter too! USSR seriously thought about a space Star Wars like wars and kept testing technologies for this project.

    That was like golden age of USSR military science. When System already emerged, from the school till the Design Bureau. Soviets were not afraid of difficult task - for example Spiral project required a hypersonic carrier plane - "well, ok, let us design one, oh, i have an idea!", something like that.
    And there were a lot of project with very brave ideas. For example USSR wanted to crush Tomcat once and for all and designed a ballistic-takeoff heavy carrier based fighter.

    The philosophical idea behind it was "You can not win the race if you concentrate on pursuing. You have to use shortcuts and concentrated on surpassing". This is why USSR extensively researched sometimes too brave concepts - search for a shortcut.

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    Russia builds exo-athmospheric hypersonic strategic bomber

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:26 pm

    i do not know where to attach this info pls advise or just move to respective thread. Thx

    BTW in hypersonic thread there is info about Russian railgun with projectile speed higher then Escape Velocity...


    Russia is working on a bomber to perform tasks in space
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    MOSCOW, July 13 — RIA Novosti. Russia is developing a hypersonic bomber able to strike from the air space and outer space, told RIA Novosti the Professor of branch of Military Academy of the strategic Missile forces (RVSN) Colonel Alexey Solodovnikov.

    Earlier, the commander of the strategic missile forces, Colonel-General Sergei Karakayev announced that the Serpukhov branch of the Military Academy RVSN named after Peter the Great developed and tested the engine for advanced aerospace aircraft. The unit is scheduled to present at the international military-technical forum "Army-2016".
    "The idea is this: with conventional airfields, it will take off to patrol the airspace. Command — space to accomplish strike missions, and returned back to their base. This is a strategic aircraft", — said Solodovnikov.
    He added that the new machine will have a broad experience and be able for one to two hours to reach any point of the planet through space.
    "We attract TSAGI (Central Aerohydrodynamic Institute), because they will have to help with the glider, now we will determine the characteristics of the aircraft. I think that the starting weight will be 20-25 tons, so it was a shock. It is planned that there will be a hypersonic missile mode", — said Solodovnikov.
    The prototype turbofan engine, which can operate in atmosphere and space to switch to flight mode, will be created by 2020.


    РИА Новости http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20160713/1465167464.html#ixzz4EIWAqCGN


    So not Ajax but something closer to Klipper? or 20-25 tonnes of payload then we have something Ajax like.




    Prototype engine for space bomber will be created by 2020

    MOSCOW, July 13 -. RIA Novosti An experienced motor model for the Russian aerospace bomber will be created in 2020, told RIA Novosti on Wednesday, a teacher, a branch of the Military Academy of the Strategic Missile Forces (RVSN) Colonel Alexei Solodovnikov, who developed the engine for future aircraft.


    Earlier, the commander of the Strategic Missile Forces, Colonel-General Sergei Karakayev said that in the Serpukhov branch of the Military Academy of the Strategic Missile Forces named after Peter the Great was developed and tested the engine for future aerospace plane. This engine is scheduled to be presented at the international military-technical forum "Army 2016".

    "Now we want to first discuss the nuances about a year we work will take place, and we will make a scheme, perhaps it will be completely different. When it is determined with the scheme will make the engine itself. In the second year, that is, in 2018, we will begin to do has iron Maybe I'm in a hurry, and there will be some questions, but by 2020 "piece of iron" should be working "-. Solodovnikov said.

    According to him, cooperation of companies that will participate in the project will be determined in the course of scientific and technical council, which will be held in late

    "The idea is such that the engine turns Turbofan, which means it can work in both the atmosphere and the switch in a space flight mode without air, and all on one machine. At the moment, these engines is not in Russia, in a power plant are combined two motors at once - the aircraft and the rocket one, "- said the developer.



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