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    Re: Terrorism in Russia: Incidents and Dealing

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Oct 22, 2013 10:16 pm

    TR1 wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    TR1 wrote:"My point is that Russia didnt invade the Caucuses, or set out to exploit Muslims. Muslims set out to ethnically cleanse Christians and Russians."


    That is a very funny revisionism of history. Spoken like a true apparatchik.

    Believe it or not most victims of crime in the Kavkaz are Muslims/ Native inhabitants.

    Stop trying to frame this as some great Muslim Christian struggle.

    If you want to get down to it the biggest cleanser of innocents in the Kavkaz has always been the Russian military. And no, it was NOT ever justified by mythical "Muslim cleansing".

    It is clear from all your posts you have not spent one day in the region.
    Where did you learn that last one from? Kavkazcenter? No, Muslims have been terrorizing Russians for a very long time, prior to Russia going into north caucuses. And no, you dont have to spend a day there to know this fact.

    Your views on this is pretty sick. So you support the acts of terrorism in Russia because of so called massacre of muslims by Russians? Pretty sick.
    Great, the village idiot joins in.

    Enjoy your circle jerk, ignorant foreigners. Stop attributing things I never said to me though.

    I havn't seen such hilarious whitewashing of Russia (be it the Russian Empire, the USSR, or our modern day legal-mafioso government) in the Kavkaz since mp.net, lol.

    Like I said, I could care less what you people think about it, since as non citizens of Russia, your opinions on the matter are utterly irrelevant.

    In fact the only person (aside from Garry) who makes any sense in this thread is an actual Russian, Python, and surprise he doesn't sound like a Stalin-wannabe psycho.

    Awesome argument, you really showed me. If im village idiot, you must be just absolutely retarded. If you want to believe that muslims are all innocent and that the ottomans along with their mountain brothers didn't cause havoc on Russians prior to these events, then the only one whitewashing history is you.

    Wtf do you contribute to anyway? I see you contribute about as much as ever...


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    Re: Terrorism in Russia: Incidents and Dealing

    Post  TR1 on Tue Oct 22, 2013 10:19 pm

    Firebird wrote:
    TR1 wrote:




    Believe it or not most victims of crime in the Kavkaz are Muslims/ Native inhabitants.

    .If you want to get down to it the biggest cleanser of innocents in the Kavkaz has always been the Russian military. And no, it was NOT ever justified 
    Yeah, incredible. In the face of ALL the evidence. You go on a Russian military forum, and describe the Russian army, who bravely fought the most evil terrorist scum, and call them "the biggest (ethnic) cleanser of innocents"..

    Then you have the neck to say who  should be expressing their opinion...
    You are horribly in denial if you don't realize it is a fact.

    Bravely fought terrorist scum LOL. What a stupid simplification of the Chechen Wars (and lets completely ignore how the region even came under the Russian Empire's control, through basic cleansing), you would make a great Nashist.
    Hell the Russian army fought like Chechnya was Breslau, and what is even more sick, they in many cases reserved better treatment for the German civies in 1945 than the inhabitants of Chechnya. Ponder that for a second, comrade.

    All those filtration camp mass graveyards, what a brave wonderful Army! There is a reason during the 90s the Army's reputation among the Russian populace plumetted to all time lows.

    It is hilarious how any critism of Russia results on non-Russians accusing me of thinking Muslims do no wrong. LOL!

    And that is it, I am out of this stupid-ass thread.

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    Re: Terrorism in Russia: Incidents and Dealing

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Oct 22, 2013 11:12 pm

    If you are concerned about so called non-russians view on this, gladly go back onto mp.net and talk to Russians there. Many seem to say same thing. What I recall from my grandmother is that she doesnt hold the chechens to high standards either but whatever. Not all chechens are evil but many of them are not doing justice with what is happening.

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    Post  flamming_python on Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:20 am

    This inter-Canadian arguement over Chechnya is really spiraling out of control

    sepheronx wrote:If you are concerned about so called non-russians view on this, gladly go back onto mp.net and talk to Russians there. Many seem to say same thing. What I recall from my grandmother is that she doesnt hold the chechens to high standards either but whatever. Not all chechens are evil but many of them are not doing justice with what is happening.
    lol, the Russians on mp.net are absolutely nuts.

    There's one character in particular; Uncle_Vanya - who calls for ethnic cleansing in Russia constantly, went to a British thread when a Ukrainian murdered an elderly Muslim in England and planted a bomb in a mosque - and called for ethnic cleansing in Britain (he was ignored or booed out of the thread by everyone), and now has gone back to advocate ethnic hatred in Russia.
    There are a few of his sidekicks there who are little better
    HRH is a funny dude; he speaks some bizarre Slavic language (occasionally trying to pass it off as Russian), while alternating between Russian patriotism and outright xenophobia

    Anyway, their views do represent a significant proportion of views in modern Russia. Certainly not all, or most - but a certain proportion.
    Russia is a wild, illogical country full of emotional people
    TR1 wrote:Bravely fought terrorist scum LOL. What a stupid simplification of the Chechen Wars (and lets completely ignore how the region even came under the Russian Empire's control, through basic cleansing), you would make a great Nashist.
    Na; the wars in 90s Chechnya had nothing to do with the Russian conquest of the Caucasus in the 19th century (besides which northern Chechnya was colonised by Terek Cossacks first anyway, Chechens themselves never claimed it).
    It didn't even have all that much to do with Stalin's deportation of the Chechens in 1945 either.

    I'm sure that many Chechen nationalists will disagree with me; but then I'm not asking them.

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    Re: Terrorism in Russia: Incidents and Dealing

    Post  sepheronx on Wed Oct 23, 2013 6:58 am

    Uncle vanya is a strange one. HRH is pretty good guy. He does far more for Russian posts than others. Cant say I have seen his Russian but oh well, he could very well be a ethnic Russian living abroad but being of another generation as myself.

    Thing is, you can try to terrorize the people for however long you like, but eventually the people will get very frusterated, more than they are now. It wont end well for these people either as TR1 has mentioned about atrocities caused by army during first war, could be worst in third if they alienate the entire population, which is the case.

    Grozny was ethnicaly cleansed as it was a Cossack city (my great grandfather was cossack) and then look at it now. Yeah, I dont deny the fact that Russians may have caused harm to chechens but they have also caused a lot back too then, and even now, and really they dont have much weight to their arguments especially today. What good will come of it by killing civillians? It is cowardice. Beslan is something to remember what kind of people these are. And then when they were giving autonomy, they attack Russian proper. Whatever so called cause they had, is long gone in whatever terms is classified as a justified rebellious struggle.

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    Re: Terrorism in Russia: Incidents and Dealing

    Post  Regular on Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:29 am

    I met some chechens in my life and only have respect to few.
    Sergejus Madalovas (Sergey Madalov). He is great person with very wast military experience.
    Also, Dudaev was probably only chechen separatist worth of respect.

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    Post  flamming_python on Thu Oct 24, 2013 11:32 am

    I don't respect ultra-nationalists like Dudayev; such people are mentally ill and are impossible to negotiate with.

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    Re: Terrorism in Russia: Incidents and Dealing

    Post  Regular on Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:12 pm

    flamming_python wrote:I don't respect ultra-nationalists like Dudayev; such people are mentally ill and are impossible to negotiate with.
    Not praising him as a hero, but he was better than what was after him. Kadyrovs who fought together with Dudaev are nationalists too if You think about it. First chechen war in my opinion was major fuck up by Yeltsin and co. Chechnya was boiling to all out civil war. Dudayev would be asking for Russian intervention himself. Second chechen war on other hand was a must.

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    Post  flamming_python on Thu Oct 24, 2013 3:20 pm

    Regular wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:I don't respect ultra-nationalists like Dudayev; such people are mentally ill and are impossible to negotiate with.
    Not praising him as a hero, but he was better than what was after him. Kadyrovs who fought together with Dudaev are nationalists too if You think about it. First chechen war in my opinion was major fuck up by Yeltsin and co. Chechnya was boiling to all out civil war. Dudayev would be asking for Russian intervention himself. Second chechen war on other hand was a must.
    Yep, pretty much

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    a suicide bombing in Volgograd

    Post  As Sa'iqa on Sun Dec 29, 2013 3:18 pm

    A female suicide bomber detonated herself at a train station in Volgograd - at least 13 people killed.

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    Post  Viktor on Sun Dec 29, 2013 3:20 pm

    RIP to all victims.

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    Re: Terrorism in Russia: Incidents and Dealing

    Post  Sujoy on Sun Dec 29, 2013 6:21 pm

    In all likelihood this is the work of Al Qaeda backed militants.


    However, a few critical Questions remain unanswered .

    Who are backing them ?
    Why this sudden burst of terror activities ?
    Is this related to the Sochi Olympics ?
    Who benefits if Russia fails to host the Sochi Olympics ?

    Nothing explains this sudden spurt in terror activities in Russia this year . With certain vested interest unable to score brownie points in Syria because of Russia it could well be possible that these sadists are providing support to anti Russia elements .

    My thoughts with the families of the victims who they leave behind.

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    Post  Deep Throat on Sun Dec 29, 2013 6:27 pm

    Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord. So whether we are at home or away, we make it our aim to please him

    Second Corinthians 5:8-9

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    Re: Terrorism in Russia: Incidents and Dealing

    Post  TR1 on Sun Dec 29, 2013 7:58 pm

    Sujoy wrote:In all likelihood this is the work of Al Qaeda  backed militants.


    However, a few critical Questions remain unanswered .

    Who are backing them ?
    Why this sudden burst of terror activities ?
    Is this related to the Sochi Olympics ?
    Who benefits if Russia fails to host the Sochi Olympics ?

    Nothing explains this sudden spurt in terror activities in Russia this year . With certain vested interest unable to score brownie points in Syria because  of Russia it could well be possible that these sadists are providing support to anti Russia elements .

    My thoughts with the families of the victims who they leave behind.

    I think local Wahhabists are much more likely than anything as exotic as foreign backing.

    RIP!

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    Re: Terrorism in Russia: Incidents and Dealing

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sun Dec 29, 2013 10:01 pm

    Were there any security measures taken in the station? They should've kept that in mind especially with the earlier moscow metro bombing.

    Sad that these women(most of them islamised converted ethnic russians) are indoctrinated into such evil deeds. RIP!

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    Post  Viktor on Mon Dec 30, 2013 1:24 am

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:Were there any security measures taken in the station? They should've kept that in mind especially with the earlier moscow metro bombing.

    Sad that these women(most of them islamised converted ethnic russians) are indoctrinated into such evil deeds. RIP!

    Suicide bombers blew themselves in front of metal detector. Three cops where killed and one cop in civilian (woman).

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    Post  Sujoy on Mon Dec 30, 2013 8:37 am

    Two Blasts in as many days in Volgograd . This is Disgusting . What are the authorities doing ?

    http://www.eturbonews.com/41217/latest-update-second-terror-attack-volograd-russia

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    Post  Regular on Mon Dec 30, 2013 9:31 am

    And what they can do? Order martial law? There is nothing You can really do to stop these things happening. Sochi will be safest place in Russia so scum will target other places.

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    Post  sepheronx on Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:03 am

    Regular wrote:And what they can do? Order martial law? There is nothing You can really do to stop these things happening. Sochi will be safest place in Russia so scum will target other places.

    So you are suggesting they do nothing? Sick.

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    Post  flamming_python on Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:39 am

    Volgograd is a city of 1 million people; how do you expect that it's possible to stop these kind of attacks? Check every bus, car, passenger, search every public place, bar, restaurant?
    As soon as you divert resources to one place the terrorists will hit another.
    If you divert huge resources to Volgograd, then Stavropol will be hit. Or Kaspiisk, Nalchik, Krasnodar, Samara, whatever..

    The best bet is HUMINT; relying on human intelligence ahead of time and monitoring suspicious activities of suspect people, etc...

    No amount of metal detectors, body searches, police patrols, etc... in the world will stop a suicide bomber once they get their explosive belt on.

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    Re: Terrorism in Russia: Incidents and Dealing

    Post  sepheronx on Mon Dec 30, 2013 2:44 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Volgograd is a city of 1 million people; how do you expect that it's possible to stop these kind of attacks? Check every bus, car, passenger, search every public place, bar, restaurant?
    As soon as you divert resources to one place the terrorists will hit another.
    If you divert huge resources to Volgograd, then Stavropol will be hit. Or Kaspiisk, Nalchik, Krasnodar, Samara, whatever..

    The best bet is HUMINT; relying on human intelligence ahead of time and monitoring suspicious activities of suspect people, etc...

    No amount of metal detectors, body searches, police patrols, etc... in the world will stop a suicide bomber once they get their explosive belt on.

    I agree entirely. But seems HUMINT failed here big time. And if Ash on mp.net is right, then it is really sad/pathetic that there is no clear agenda with dealing with terrorism and that they just rely on OMON for solutions. The federal government is at fault and they need to act rather than sitting on their asses. Striking financers would be a good start.

    Where is TR1? I would like to hear his views and possible solutions.

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    Post  TR1 on Mon Dec 30, 2013 2:53 pm

    The best measure is a preventative measure.

    Not security reactions, but actual systemic change in Dagestan, and Russia as a whole while we are at it.
    It doesn't need to be repeated, but a war torn, criminal and corruption ridden, unemployment sagging area, with a delicious sprinkling of religious resurgence (dangerously of a foreign nature in past decade)....is not a symbol of stability.

    All of course a consequence of the USSR's glorious collapse and a continuing tradition of retards in all levels of government.

    EDIT: Ha, I was typing that just as Seraphonx wrote his message.

    BTW, I feel similarly about this equally absurd "War on Terror" nonsense.

    EDIT 2: I still don't think Tu-160 strikes on every House of Saud palace is a bad idea Very Happy

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    Post  As Sa'iqa on Mon Dec 30, 2013 3:19 pm

    A short term solution should include cutting off foreign funding for jihadists (these two attacks might have been a Saudi retaliation for Russian support for Assad)

    As a long term solution I suggest moving as many Russians to the North Caucasus as possible so that there are 5 Russians for every Chechen/Dagestani and then outbreeding them (making so many kids that the local population gets assimilated and is no longer Muslim). The probable murderous response of the local population will only make the process easier.

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    Post  TR1 on Mon Dec 30, 2013 3:28 pm

    You know what, this is my last post on the subject.

    But was reading Mp.net (yes yes) asinine discussion of the situation, this caught my eye:

    "There was no "heavy handed" approach in both Chechnya wars. Simple military operation, nothing close to NKVD pattern of behavior."

    And that, is why "Russians" just don't get it, and never will.

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    Post  flamming_python on Mon Dec 30, 2013 4:13 pm

    TR1 wrote:"There was no "heavy handed" approach in both Chechnya wars. Simple military operation, nothing close to NKVD pattern of behavior."

    Not that I agree with any of the psychos in that thread but I don't really see anything too wrong in this statement; the Chechen war turned out to be very bloody with warcrimes on both sides but it was a military operation meant to restore constitutional order to Russian territory.
    The NKVD after WW2 rounded up every Chechen in Chechnya-Ingushetiya and put them train carriages to Kazakhstan.

    There was absolutely nothing like that in the 90s Chechen wars though.

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