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    Re: Strategic Missile Troops (ICBMs): Discussion & News

    Post  Austin on Sat Mar 19, 2011 7:32 pm

    http://www.iwar.org.uk/rma/resources/energy-weapons/mowthorpe02.html

    A solid fuelled booster could probably absorb, without disruption, approximately 10 kJ/cm2 on its skin,4 the energy from a 1 second illumination at 10kW/cm2. The application of an ablative material would probably double or maybe even triple the lethal energy required. It is sometimes argued that the use of a mirrored reflective coating to the booster would deflect the laser, but the abrasion during the boost phase could cause it to lose its reflective capabilities. Another method of countering lasers is spinning the missile, which could raise its hardness by a factor of three5 by shortening the period that any single spot on the missile is illuminated by the laser. However, it is possible that the uniform heating around the spinning circumference of the missile could introduce a lethal mechanism that could also destroy the booster.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Mar 19, 2011 11:30 pm

    Also plane is to fly 24hrs a day or a brigade of it continuing 24/7 like a plant engineer
    costly...

    The first warning of an attack could be the missile launch itself so you really do need a plane in the air all the time for real protection.

    This is not only expensive, but a sneaky enemy could simply watch your air patrol patterns and the weather and time the attack for the precise second that you are least ready... ie when it gets cloudy or stormy, or during the period when one plane leaves duty and the next is on its way to replace it.

    However, it is possible that the uniform heating around the spinning
    circumference of the missile could introduce a lethal mechanism that
    could also destroy the booster.

    A combination of high energy short burn rockets to minimise the vulnerable boost phase, a spinning rocket, ablative material with reflective elements within it could be used in addition to actual targeting of the laser platform with you own lasers should be enough to minimise the effectiveness of a defence.

    The first missile launch might come from a civilian launch facility so the laser system needs to have humans in the loop to prevent your defence system shooting down a commercial satellite launch... blocking that part of the system might be the cheapest and easiest way to counter it.

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    Post  Austin on Sun Mar 20, 2011 6:27 am

    Considering lately we have seen Russian A-60 flying , they would be conducting some experiments with the platform and its laser.

    It would be interesting to see laser replacing todays SHORAD/VSHORAD/CIWS systems in the decades to come , it would remain effective for short range role and would be fast enough to take care of many missile at a given point in time then any fast missile could deal with.

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    Post  GarryB on Mon Mar 21, 2011 7:31 am

    The best use for lasers at the moment would be for very fast manoeuvring targets and also for enemy laser platforms.

    Right now for Shorad missiles and guns do the job and are cheaper.

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    Re: Strategic Missile Troops (ICBMs): Discussion & News

    Post  Austin on Thu Apr 14, 2011 2:13 pm

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    Russia in 2018 will adopt a new heavy intercontinental ballistic missile high survivability

    MOSCOW, April 12. (АРМС-ТАСС). (ARMS-TASS). Russia in 2018 will adopt a new liquid heavy intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) silo-based megaton-class, which unlike its predecessor - the RS-20 "Leader" - will have increased survivability due to heavy fortification protecting the launcher and other measures of passive and active defense. This was announced today, Team Advisor Strategic Missile Forces (RVSN), a former Chief of Staff of the Strategic Missile Forces, Colonel-General Viktor Esin.

    "The adoption of these complex measures will boost the vitality of our new heavy missile silo-based and will force a potential adversary to spend significantly more of their nuclear warheads and means of precision weapons for their removal of their system. But even that would not serve him to guarantee the destruction of the entire group of new Russian heavy missiles , of which at least will be able to survive and strike back ", - said General Esin.

    Another source, who held a senior position in the Strategic Rocket Forces, has led more specific information about a qualitatively new fortification protecting new heavy missiles and other means of defense of its silo launcher (MSE).

    "Change positional areas missiles Voivod" under the new IDB does not make sense. Firstly, it would require enormous funds. Secondly, the main thing - to create a fundamentally new level of fortification protecting new ICBM silos, their technological and other renovations, operational, engineering and other camouflage, wide engagement of ECM with the creation of a continuous field of impenetrable noise, organize, together with passive defense and active defense silos through the deployment of ABM systems long-range S-400 systems and high-altitude C-500 capable of on a par with space and air assets to destroy warheads IDB and ammunition of the enemy precision weapons, including missiles and aircraft bombs and cruise missiles, "- he stressed.

    "As a result of enemy action on one of our silos will be forced to spend not two, as he expects to do it now, but at least two to three times more units and other means. But it will not guarantee his destruction of our entire group of heavy missiles. Part of them will be still able to fly in his direction in a retaliatory strike, "- said the former commander of the RVSN.

    As the general said Esin, the Defense Ministry must approve the tactical and technical specification (TTZ) in the creation of a new heavy ICBM before the end of this year.

    "Development and production of such missiles are included in the state program of armament to 2020 due to financing part of the development of strategic nuclear forces of the country", - has confirmed he is referring to the First Deputy Defense Minister Vladimir Popovkin.

    "Already defined conceptual design of a new ICBM. Experience shows that development work on new missile last 6-8 years. Thus, we can expect after the test Adopt the Strategic Missile new heavy liquid rocket by the end of 2018 - said Esin . - Of course, the missile will be a deep modernization of the "Leader", it will have less weight, but along with it all necessary means breaking existing and any prospective missile defense, including all the "gentlemen's set of" heavy and other false warheads, etc. for ensure the delivery of real warheads to targets. combat equipment will be roughly the same - multiple warhead (MIRV) megaton-class individually guided warheads on target. "

    Esin General also noted that in the works to build a new liquid ICBM will be attended by all domestic defense companies, previously successfully created a sea rocket "Blue", entered service for all Russian submarines third-generation project 667BDRM.
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    Re: Strategic Missile Troops (ICBMs): Discussion & News

    Post  GarryB on Fri Apr 15, 2011 3:55 am

    I would expect the "new" missile will simply be an improved SS-18 with new technology developed since the 1980s and of course all the Ukrainian components replaced with Russian ones.

    Much like UVZ working on its T-95 the company that will make this new missile will likely have been working on improvements and upgrades, but also on new technologies so this program will likely go forward reasonably quickly.

    The RS-24 for example is already in service, so I would expect this new missile will be developed fairly quickly... the gap between revealing its existence and putting the RS-24 in service was less than the time from now till 2018.

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    Post  Austin on Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:14 am

    GarryB wrote:I would expect the "new" missile will simply be an improved SS-18 with new technology developed since the 1980s and of course all the Ukrainian components replaced with Russian ones.

    Its a liquid fuel missile and is being developed by different design bureau.

    The RS-24 for example is already in service, so I would expect this new missile will be developed fairly quickly... the gap between revealing its existence and putting the RS-24 in service was less than the time from now till 2018

    RS-24 is a MIRV'd derivative of Topol-M and it was easy for the design bureau MITT to put into service quickly.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Apr 15, 2011 11:50 am


    Its a liquid fuel missile and is being developed by different design bureau.

    Well it could hardly be made by the original maker of SS-18s as that design bureau is currently located in the Ukraine.

    There is plenty of liquid rocket technology design bureaus in Russia... the upgraded Sineva does not have made in Ukraine on it.

    RS-24 is a MIRV'd derivative of Topol-M and it was easy for the design bureau MITT to put into service quickly.

    I know that too, that is why I mentioned it shouldn't take too long because this new missile will not be completely ground breakingly new. Not that much has changed in liquid propellent ballistic missile technology. The electronics will be a lot more compact of course and more accurate and precise electronic controls should also improve performance too but its performance requirements are not that much different from the SS-18.

    It will of course be much newer, but the most important thing is that it will be made in Russia of all Russian components.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Apr 20, 2011 2:30 pm

    http://en.rian.ru/russia/20110420/163611325.html

    Russia to double ballistic missile and tactical ballistic missile production from 2013 and the upgrade priority will be the air force and the air defence forces:

    http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20110420/163611099.html

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    Post  Austin on Wed Apr 27, 2011 4:00 pm

    Russia prepares for swift nuclear retribution

    A new control system being installed by the Russian military will allow the fast automatic retargeting of strategic missiles in silos directly from command center. The triple-backup communication lines can survive even a full-scale nuclear attack.

    The system, which recently received government approval, is now being installed by the Russian Strategic Missile Forces, Colonel Vadim Koval, the Army spokesman said on Wednesday. He did not elaborate on when the process is scheduled to be complete.

    It is the fourth generation of the system. In addition to traditional functions like communicating orders, reports and controlling the status of missiles, the new version allows automated change of flight plans.

    The retargeting does not require on-site human assistance and can be done despite enemy interference up to and including a nuclear attack, the military official said. All communication lines have several back-up options including satellite, radio and wired lines.

    The system also has a precise automatic self-diagnosis function, which allows fast and reliable maintenance.

    The upgrade is being done to keep up with the new weapon systems developed for the Strategic Missile Forces as well as to improve the overall combat readiness of Russia’s nuclear arsenal.

    The Russian military is undergoing a major overhaul, with more than $700 billion of budget money set to be spent over a decade for procurement of new weapons. Development plans for the Strategic Missile Forces include the deployment of RS-24 Yars mobile missiles and construction of a new silo-based missile to replace the R-36M Voevoda currently on duty.

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    Post  Austin on Wed Jul 06, 2011 10:37 am

    Interview with Yuri Solmonov

    From what I can make out via translate which is quite bad

    * Bulava has been in production for 3 years now.
    * Yuri clearly states that Europe Missile Defence threat is an imaginary threat , he compared Patriot success with Scud and says SM-3 will be no better.
    * To make his point he refers to the MIT article that I am linking here A Flawed and Dangerous U.S. Missile Defense Plan
    * He clearly opposes Liquid Fuel Heavy ICBM says there is no need for it
    * Says Ramjet/Scramjet hypersonic vehical is the future.
    * SAP 2020 could fail due to lack of timely funding.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jul 06, 2011 11:54 am

    SAP2020 is a very ambitious program to turn a for neglected for 20 years into a force comparable to the best the US has to offer will be very difficult.

    It is the right aim mark in my opinion however.

    The European ABM missile system in its first and second phases may not work, but the goals... the third and fourth stage is a real threat to Russia and would involve up to 40 USN vessels in all sorts of places.

    The threat from Iran doesn't justify the expense, so the only real reason left is as a bargaining chip against Russia.

    Ask yourself... they have admitted the system is no for use against Russia... so what possible reason would they have for not wanting to put that to paper?

    Is it for the same reason they never put other promises they have broken like no expansion of NATO beyond East Germany, No former Warsaw pact nations in NATO, no former Soviet Republics in NATO, no foreign forces based in the new NATO countries in Eastern Europe...
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    Post  NationalRus on Wed Jul 06, 2011 12:37 pm

    these fucks should better spend some real money to rearm the soldiers on the ground rightfully, since 21 years our soldiers look like 3rd world milisha

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    Post  Pervius on Fri Jul 08, 2011 9:41 pm

    NationalRus wrote:these fucks should better spend some real money to rearm the soldiers on the ground rightfully, since 21 years our soldiers look like 3rd world milisha


    Looks are deceiving. American military looks good but they've been dying young from polluted water/food.


    Does Russia have a problem with people dying before they are 40 from kidney cancer? No?


    Then don't be greedy like the west and sell your childrens souls for your short term gains.

    On the new Russian warhead.....it's the CHINESE new warheads that have the west scared. The THAAD Defeaters....only means to stop them is use lasers and strike them before they reach orbit.....so what do you do if China puts those warheads into a satellite?....

    THAAD can't stop thousands of depleted uranium rounds raining down on you. Nothing can.
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    Post  nightcrawler on Sat Jul 09, 2011 3:19 am

    sorry for my ignorance but what is : SAP-2020
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    From what I can make out via translate which is quite bad

    Post  GarryB on Sat Jul 09, 2011 3:54 am

    Stalin had his 5 year plans where efforts were focused on completing goals in 5 year periods. Certain issues were identified and goals were set to fix them over a 5 year period like upgrading mechanisation for the farms of the soviet union... which also helped tank design and production to.

    SAP2020 is a plan for the next 10 years about where they want their armed forces to be... the first bit is C4IR, and by 2015 they want new vehicles and new 5th gen fighters to start entering service and by 2020 they want about 70% of all in service equipment to be state of the art better than or as good as anything in service anywhere else in the world.

    It basically stands for State Armaments Plan for 2020.
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    Strategic Missile Troops Video Clips

    Post  Wan2345 on Fri Jul 15, 2011 8:41 am

    Strategic Missile Troops / PBCH Video clips

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jul 16, 2011 2:42 am

    Nice. Smile
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    Post  nightcrawler on Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:46 pm

    Here this is a more clear launch of Satan ICBM:


    if you notice its a very clean launch when compared wth UR-100...suggesting the latter is hot launch. The coldness of propellants has made ice
    on the covering of Ur100N
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    Post  Viktor on Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:10 pm

    And this is probably best SS-18 you can find on youtube.

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    Post  nightcrawler on Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:26 pm

    ^^in the above video what is happening to nosecone @0.40 sec & this isn't SS18 icbm because it as got pointed nose??

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    Post  Pervius on Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:36 pm

    There is speculation that it is an upgraded Sineva missile:

    http://www.informationdissemination.net/2011/05/russias-new-secret-ballistic-missile.html

    Did Russia ever create a "Rods from God" program to fire kinetic kill rods from Space?




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    Post  GarryB on Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:23 am

    I have heard Liner is just another upgrade for Sineva.

    Regarding kinetic kill rods from space... I rather doubt it.

    If the Russians want to kill you with an ICBM I rather doubt they will want to spare your neighbours.

    Besides I rather think they will believe such a weapon could be very destabilising as its use could be mistaken for a nuclear launch.

    Of course having said that the MARV warheads they have developed to evade ABM could have the nuclear warhead replaced with a rod of DU very easily.

    Yars is the RS-24 which is a modified TOPOL-M with a larger warhead payload.
    AFAIK there is a new replacement for the SATAN that will actually be a large and powerful weapon.

    START II actually banned heavy ICBMs but it was never fully operational as the Russians ratified it but the US didn't so neither side was bound by it.

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    Post  Pervius on Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:41 pm

    US "Rods of God" program was to use a satellite to fire mere rods of metal for precision strike of objects.


    Like a very small meteorite hitting the Earth at hyper velocity. No explosives.

    But you could hit your enemies nuclear reactor and cause bad things to happen. Or their weapons bunker.

    By itself it's just a rod of metal. It was a theory, I don't know if they ever made it. Or if it was scientifically possible to guide the metal rod after re-entry.
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    There is speculation that it is an upgraded Sineva missile:

    Post  Gagydza on Fri Aug 26, 2011 10:01 am

    GarryB wrote:
    AFAIK there is a new replacement for the SATAN that will actually be a large and powerful weapon.
    There is no complete performance specification for the missile, but it is expected that it's going to be even heavier than SS-18.

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