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    Re: Strategic Missile Troops (ICBMs): Discussion & News

    Post  GarryB on Tue Jul 21, 2015 12:57 pm

    All missile divisions of Russia’s Strategic Missile Forces (RVSN) are planned to be rearmed with the Yars and Yars-M mobile ground missile systems with the RS-26 missile in 2021, Colonel General Viktor Yesin, an advisor to the RVSN commander, said on Tuesday.

    Based on this statement, the Yars and Yars-M will be the only missiles within the RVSN by 2021.

    So Topol and Topol-M will no longer be in service... though the rockets themselves might be used for satellite launching...


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    Post  flamming_python on Wed Jul 22, 2015 1:05 am

    GarryB wrote:
    All missile divisions of Russia’s Strategic Missile Forces (RVSN) are planned to be rearmed with the Yars and Yars-M mobile ground missile systems with the RS-26 missile in 2021, Colonel General Viktor Yesin, an advisor to the RVSN commander, said on Tuesday.

    Based on this statement, the Yars and Yars-M will be the only missiles within the RVSN by 2021.

    So Topol and Topol-M will no longer be in service... though the rockets themselves might be used for satellite launching...

    That same article claimed that the Topol-M was just used to rearm a missile division; along with the Yars - "its rearmement has now been completed".

    I doubt they would rearm it again within the next 6 years.

    Read carefully - firstly it says that

    "The process of rearmament of all missile divisions, which now use the Topol missile complex, with the Yars mobile missile system and Yars-M system, which is sometimes called Rubezh, with the RS-26 missile, is planned to be completed in 2021"

    Meaning only that those missile divisions which currently use the Topol missile complex will be affected by the rearmement (but no mention of Topol-Ms being replaced).

    The second confusing part is this; which seems contradictory to the first statement at first glance.

    "All missile divisions of Russia’s Strategic Missile Forces (RVSN) are planned to be rearmed with the Yars and Yars-M mobile ground missile systems with the RS-26 missile in 2021"

    Which means only that all missile divisions will have Yars and/or Yars-Ms in them by 2021. However it says nothing about getting rid of Topol-Ms. We've already established that it's the Topols that the MoD seems to want  to replace.

    Taken together with the first statement, we can deduce that all missile divisions not yet rearmed - are in fact armed with the Topol missile system at least partially; likely a mix of Topols and Topol-Ms.
    By 2021, all those Topols will be gone and we'll end up with a range of missile divisions; some consisting of a mix of Topol-Ms and Yars, some with just Yars, and some just Yars-Ms would be my guess.

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    Post  Austin on Wed Jul 22, 2015 11:41 am

    The new strategic missile "yars" and "Bulava" have significant potential to overcome missile defense systems - expert
    7/22/2015 9:30:00

    Moscow. July 22. Interfax-AVN - strategic missile systems "yars" and "Bulava" ability to guarantee to overcome current and future missile defense system, he said, "Interfax-AVN" the former Chief of Staff of the Strategic Missile Forces, Commander of the Strategic Missile Forces advisor Col. Gen. Viktor Yesin.

    "This capability is achieved by a number of factors. In particular, it shortened the overclocking section of the flight path of rockets, ending at altitudes of about 100 kilometers," - said V.Esin.

    He explained that in this area the rocket engines operate with the highest capacity, leaving an atmosphere of strong thermal radiation.

    "Short overclocking section does not allow information-intelligence tools to pinpoint missile flight path separated from the rocket warheads. To compensate the error is very difficult, because the missile defense system the United States uses the kinetic intercept ballistic targets. Figuratively speaking, it is necessary to get a bullet in the bullet", - said V. Esin.

    The second factor, which provides the overcoming missile defense, he said, is related to "the use of non-traditional combat equipment, namely warheads with difficult to predict the trajectory of the flight."

    "They are usually called maneuvering. Interception of such units - unsolvable problem not only for missile defense systems, which are now creating the United States, but also for those who are planning to develop in the long term," - said the expert.


    Another factor he called equipment complexes "yars" and "Bulava" advanced set of tools to overcome missile defense. "Such a complex guidance system does not allow the interceptor to allocate multiple target real warheads among the many false," - said V.Esin.
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    Re: Strategic Missile Troops (ICBMs): Discussion & News

    Post  Viktor on Sun Aug 23, 2015 10:13 am

    It seems new hypersonic warhead just struck it goal thumbsup

    Another Topol launch from Kapustin Yar tests new payload

    Defense Ministry: RVSN ICBM test launch conducted RS-12M "Topol" from the landfill, "Kapustin Yar"
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    Post  George1 on Wed Sep 02, 2015 12:48 pm

    Russia’s Strategic Missile Force conducts exercise to assess WMD damage


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    Post  sepheronx on Sat Sep 19, 2015 1:03 am

    I thought avangard was supposed to be a heavy icbm to replace the ss-18?
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Sep 19, 2015 1:20 am

    sepheronx wrote:I thought avangard was supposed to be a heavy icbm to replace the ss-18?

    That's Samaritan.
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    Post  George1 on Fri Oct 09, 2015 5:49 pm

    Russian Defense Ministry has taken in the 3rd quarter of 2015 8 ICBMs

    No type mentioned however


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    Post  AlfaT8 on Sat Oct 17, 2015 1:23 am

    Not sure where to post this question so i am posting it here.

    It's a question that's been bothering me lately.  scratch

    I wanted to ask if it were possible for Russia to develop a Non-Nuclear ICBM using multiple FAOBs, and if such a weapon were indeed created what would be it's ramification with respect Treaties and deployment??

    THX in advance.
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    Post  Werewolf on Sat Oct 17, 2015 1:42 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:Not sure where to post this question so i am posting it here.

    It's a question that's been bothering me lately.  scratch

    I wanted to ask if it were possible for Russia to develop a Non-Nuclear ICBM using multiple FAOBs, and if such a weapon were indeed created what would be it's ramification with respect Treaties and deployment??

    THX in advance.

    FOAB or overall Thermobaric bombs have a very good yield with high TNT equivalent compared with their actual weight/content and volume, however, they still do not achieve a formadible volume/weight to achieve the necessary kT yield ICBM (MIRVS) would have to make them feasible as an ICBM. The FOAB is based on the KAB-9000 a bomb that was classed in 9000kg class, the actual weight is 11.5t which is enormous. The biggest silo based ICBM is the SS-18 which is still in service and its payload is 8470kg, to carry such a huge warhead like a FOAB with 44kT explosive force would require a big burden for the missile, the warhead itself isn't really compromise-friendly since it must spread the cloud to all directions to unleash its optimal and devestating potential, due that it needs to be relatively far front (tip) of warhead which puts to much weight at front. That much weight at front will effect the missiles performance over time, when one stage after another are jettisoned and the missile gets lighter, the tip becomes more and more center of gravity, which will have very bad inflictions on the missiles maneuverability, stability and most probably would just rip it apart mid air. If all that hasn't screwed up the ICBM mid air, the reaction of the enemy will. He can not know and will not give a damn what payload your ICBM has, non nuclear, nuclear, candybar dropper or whatever, he will always assume it is a nuke and will react with counter offensive.

    Strategic weapons as ICBM's are only good for one thing, detterence and assuring no one meddeles directly with you.
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    Re: Strategic Missile Troops (ICBMs): Discussion & News

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Oct 17, 2015 2:06 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:Not sure where to post this question so i am posting it here.

    It's a question that's been bothering me lately.  scratch

    I wanted to ask if it were possible for Russia to develop a Non-Nuclear ICBM using multiple FAOBs, and if such a weapon were indeed created what would be it's ramification with respect Treaties and deployment??

    THX in advance.

    It makes more sense to have a ground based electro-magnetic gun capable of launching projectiles at Mach 43-44 in to LEO, where the projectiles have scram-jet sustainers to maintain speed, or to build high altitude flying drones/cruise-missiles with the same EM gun built in to them.
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Sat Oct 17, 2015 4:48 am

    Werewolf wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:Not sure where to post this question so i am posting it here.

    It's a question that's been bothering me lately.  scratch

    I wanted to ask if it were possible for Russia to develop a Non-Nuclear ICBM using multiple FAOBs, and if such a weapon were indeed created what would be it's ramification with respect Treaties and deployment??

    THX in advance.

    FOAB or overall Thermobaric bombs have a very good yield with high TNT equivalent compared with their actual weight/content and volume, however, they still do not achieve a formadible volume/weight to achieve the necessary kT yield ICBM (MIRVS) would have to make them feasible as an ICBM. The FOAB is based on the KAB-9000 a bomb that was classed in 9000kg class, the actual weight is 11.5t which is enormous. The biggest silo based ICBM is the SS-18 which is still in service and its payload is 8470kg, to carry such a huge warhead like a FOAB with 44kT explosive force would require a big burden for the missile, the warhead itself isn't really compromise-friendly since it must spread the cloud to all directions to unleash its optimal and devestating potential, due that it needs to be relatively far front (tip) of warhead which puts to much weight at front. That much weight at front will effect the missiles performance over time, when one stage after another are jettisoned and the missile gets lighter, the tip becomes more and more center of gravity, which will have very bad inflictions on the missiles maneuverability, stability and most probably would just rip it apart mid air. If all that hasn't screwed up the ICBM mid air, the reaction of the enemy will. He can not know and will not give a damn what payload your ICBM has, non nuclear, nuclear, candybar dropper or whatever, he will always assume it is a nuke and will react with counter offensive.

    Strategic weapons as ICBM's are only good for one thing, detterence and assuring no one meddeles directly with you.

    Thanks Werewolf, i guess making a single FAOB into an IRBM is also out of the question too, ooh well, i guess bombers will have to do, i hope in the future they'll make one light enough to at least be an IRBM.
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    Post  Werewolf on Sat Oct 17, 2015 9:56 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:Not sure where to post this question so i am posting it here.

    It's a question that's been bothering me lately.  scratch

    I wanted to ask if it were possible for Russia to develop a Non-Nuclear ICBM using multiple FAOBs, and if such a weapon were indeed created what would be it's ramification with respect Treaties and deployment??

    THX in advance.

    FOAB or overall Thermobaric bombs have a very good yield with high TNT equivalent compared with their actual weight/content and volume, however, they still do not achieve a formadible volume/weight to achieve the necessary kT yield ICBM (MIRVS) would have to make them feasible as an ICBM. The FOAB is based on the KAB-9000 a bomb that was classed in 9000kg class, the actual weight is 11.5t which is enormous. The biggest silo based ICBM is the SS-18 which is still in service and its payload is 8470kg, to carry such a huge warhead like a FOAB with 44kT explosive force would require a big burden for the missile, the warhead itself isn't really compromise-friendly since it must spread the cloud to all directions to unleash its optimal and devestating potential, due that it needs to be relatively far front (tip) of warhead which puts to much weight at front. That much weight at front will effect the missiles performance over time, when one stage after another are jettisoned and the missile gets lighter, the tip becomes more and more center of gravity, which will have very bad inflictions on the missiles maneuverability, stability and most probably would just rip it apart mid air. If all that hasn't screwed up the ICBM mid air, the reaction of the enemy will. He can not know and will not give a damn what payload your ICBM has, non nuclear, nuclear, candybar dropper or whatever, he will always assume it is a nuke and will react with counter offensive.

    Strategic weapons as ICBM's are only good for one thing, detterence and assuring no one meddeles directly with you.

    Thanks Werewolf, i guess making a single FAOB into an IRBM is also out of the question too, ooh well, i guess bombers will have to do, i hope in the future they'll make one light enough to at least be an IRBM.

    Not at all, there is Iskander with 750kg Thermobaric warhead. The equivalent of that thermobaric warhead should have above 1-2kT yield.
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    Re: Strategic Missile Troops (ICBMs): Discussion & News

    Post  GarryB on Sat Oct 17, 2015 10:44 am

    Not at all, there is Iskander with 750kg Thermobaric warhead. The equivalent of that thermobaric warhead should have above 1-2kT yield.

    Oops... no... a 750kg thermobaric warhead does not have the power of 1-2 thousand tons (ie million kgs) of HE.

    The main problem with putting FOABs in an ICBM or an IRBM or SLBMs is that they will count as ICBMs and IRBMs or SLBMs... and as you might have noticed they only have a tiny fraction of the power of a real nuclear device.

    Most importantly the velocity of fragments and blast waves from modern HE max's out at about 4-5km per second so actually making a 7 ton solid concrete warhead would have just as much effect as conventional HE... which is really not much. Replacing the 7 tons of warhead from an SS-18 with small metal cubes of a few hundred grammes each with a small bursting charge to scatter those cubes in the last milisecond before impact would have a greater effect than a full sized 7 ton payload of HE... the shock wave of the incoming warhead would be more powerful than the shockwave of 7 tons explosing and almost 7 tons of shrapnel will do rather more damage than 7 tons of HE bomb most of which turns into hot gas and small fragments.


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    Post  Werewolf on Sat Oct 17, 2015 12:29 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Not at all, there is Iskander with 750kg Thermobaric warhead. The equivalent of that thermobaric warhead should have above 1-2kT yield.

    Oops... no... a 750kg thermobaric warhead does not have the power of 1-2 thousand tons (ie million kgs) of HE.

    The main problem with putting FOABs in an ICBM or an IRBM or SLBMs is that they will count as ICBMs and IRBMs or SLBMs... and as you might have noticed they only have a tiny fraction of the power of a real nuclear device.

    Most importantly the velocity of fragments and blast waves from modern HE max's out at about 4-5km per second so actually making a 7 ton solid concrete warhead would have just as much effect as conventional HE... which is really not much. Replacing the 7 tons of warhead from an SS-18 with small metal cubes of a few hundred grammes each with a small bursting charge to scatter those cubes in the last milisecond before impact would have a greater effect than a full sized 7 ton payload of HE... the shock wave of the incoming warhead would be more powerful than the shockwave of 7 tons explosing and almost 7 tons of shrapnel will do rather more damage than 7 tons of HE bomb most of which turns into hot gas and small fragments.

    If a 11.5t FOAB can achieve 44kT then i think 0.75t can achieve at least 1kT equivalent explosion.
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sat Oct 17, 2015 12:36 pm

    FOAB at 7.1 tonne has a yield equivalent to 44 tonnes of TNT, not 44 kilotonnes of TNT. Probably some typo somewhere.
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    Post  Werewolf on Sat Oct 17, 2015 12:54 pm

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:FOAB at 7.1 tonne has a yield equivalent to 44 tonnes of TNT, not 44 kilotonnes of TNT. Probably some typo somewhere.

    Probably.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Oct 18, 2015 1:19 pm


    AlfaT8 wrote:Not sure where to post this question so i am posting it here.

    It's a question that's been bothering me lately. scratch

    I wanted to ask if it were possible for Russia to develop a Non-Nuclear ICBM using multiple FAOBs, and if such a weapon were indeed created what would be it's ramification with respect Treaties and deployment??

    THX in advance.


    Well the obvious problem is that any conventional launch of such a SLBM or ICBM will likely be treated lke a nuke lunch until proven otherwise.

    either side could claim they are only firing conventionally armed missiles but it will only be after impacts that the other side could be sure.


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    Topol ballistic missile launched from the Plesetsk Cosmodrome.



    30.10.2015.


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    Post  Militarov on Sat Oct 31, 2015 6:02 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    Militarov wrote:Topol-M ballistic missile launched from the Plesetsk Cosmodrome.

    Actually, I think you will find that launch appears to be a Topol SS-25/RT-2PM, rather than a Topol-M SS-27/RT-2PM2??

    Yeah, its 15Ж58, i did not even pay attention to be honest. Fixed in post.
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    Post  max steel on Sun Nov 01, 2015 8:37 pm

    Russia Successfully Launches Yars ICBM From Plesetsk to Kamchatka

    Russia has successfully launched a Yars intercontinental ballistic missile equipped with independently targeted warheads from its Plesetsk Cosmodrome to a range on the Kamchatka Peninsula, the Russian Defense Ministry said Wednesday.

    The Yars is a multiple independently targetable reentry vehicle (MIRV) that contains several warheads. Great Britain, France, Russia, the United States, and China are the only countries believed to have these types of ICBMs in their arsenal.

    “The military blocks arrived to the intended region at the Kura Range on the Kamchatka Peninsula. The set goals of the launch have been reached and the tasks have been completed in full,” Igor Egorov, a spokesman for the Defense Ministry’s Strategic Missile Forces, said.




    Meanwhile US is assessing whether to go for a new icbm or not.
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    Post  George1 on Tue Nov 03, 2015 8:25 pm

    Russia Set to Scrap 17 Outdated Topol Missile Launchers by 2017

    The Russian state space corporation Roscosmos is planning to dismantle a total of 17 outdated Topol mobile missile launchers by the end of 2016.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — The Topol entered service with the Russian Strategic Missile Forces in 1988 and is being gradually replaced with more advanced Topol-M and Yars mobile missile systems.

    According to a post on the website of state purchase orders, the company is looking for a contractor to dismantle 17 Topol launches from a missile unit based in the Udmurt Republic in Russia's Volga Region "in line with a federal program on the dismantling of weaponry and other military equipment until 2020."

    During the process, the launchers will be placed and scrapped at the facilities coordinated with the United States, in line with the Russian-US New START Treaty of 2010, Roscosmos said.

    The launchers have been designed to fire RS-12M Topol (NATO reporting name SS-25 Sickle) single-warhead intercontinental ballistic missiles that have a maximum range of 10,000 kilometers (6,125 miles) and can carry a nuclear warhead with a yield of up to 550 kilotons.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20151103/1029551641/russia-topol-missile-launchers.html#ixzz3qSS1A1CC


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    Post  franco on Tue Nov 03, 2015 9:37 pm

    Just a general observation but is anyone else getting the sense that the 27-36 single warhead Topols ICBM's divisions are being replaced with just 18 Yars ICBM's (4 MIRV's). It makes sense if you consider the START requirements in launcher and warhead totals.
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    Post  George1 on Tue Nov 03, 2015 9:59 pm

    franco wrote:Just a general observation but is anyone else getting the sense that the 27-36 single warhead Topols ICBM's divisions are being replaced with just 18 Yars ICBM's (4 MIRV's). It makes sense if you consider the START requirements in launcher and warhead totals.

    Yes and SS-19 Stilleto with 6 MIRVs also are being retiring


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    Post  sepheronx on Tue Nov 10, 2015 8:28 pm

    http://tass.ru/en/defense/835356

    Why do they keep saying this? I thought missiles systems like Topol-M, Yars, Bulava and Sineava already have anti ABM systems and are already available? Or do they mean systems designed to strike the ABM's specifically? Cause wouldnt anti radiation missiles do that job?

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