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    Post  TR1 on Sat May 24, 2014 10:36 pm

    No, Russian news are infamous for making laughable defense segments.

    I am sorry but I put zero stock in that CGI. You can see many photos of missile trails, and they all end up looking zigzagged to an extent.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun May 25, 2014 11:40 am

    If you use a bit of common sense and think about it for a few seconds and think about the structure and makeup of an ICBM then you will realise that of the three stages the first two fired are mostly fuel and fuel tank structure... a structure that is fairly thin and relatively weak.

    Making 90 degree flat turns in flight make little sense at the start or mid phase of the flight... in this case it is a test from one side of Russia to the other... with most of these shots likely taken near the start of the trajectory while it is still in the atmosphere... doing zigzags there would be incredibly difficult to perform as you are expecting a still very heavy vehicle that is largely fuel to perform extreme manouvers at a point where it should be accelerating to get range... and at a point in its flight where no US ABM could touch it anyway.

    Mid course it will be outside the atmosphere and of course therefore will not leave any contrail.

    In the terminal phase it will be individual reentry warheads that will fire thrusters in short bursts to adjust trajectory to evade incoming interceptors but to also keep it on target so there would not be a continuous contrail as shown in the photos.

    the contrails in the pictures appear to show a flat zigzag flight path through the air like an airliner would leave.

    The actual contrail is actually very steep and is going through multiple layers of atmosphere each with its own wind direction and speed... it is not that amazing... in that context.


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    Post  Viktor on Sun May 25, 2014 8:16 pm

    Nice read  thumbsup 

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    Post  navyfield on Thu May 29, 2014 8:12 pm

    the state of russian missile and rocket forces  Razz 

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyiglXHqbNw
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    Post  TR1 on Thu May 29, 2014 8:34 pm

    navyfield wrote:the state of russian missile and rocket forces  Razz 

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyiglXHqbNw

    Damn, how do they ever get the most rocket launches per year in the world.


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    Post  GarryB on Fri May 30, 2014 10:02 am

    navyfield wrote:the state of russian missile and rocket forces  Razz 

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyiglXHqbNw

    Thanks for posting this footage... people thinking new Russian ICBMs can zigzag just after take off please take a careful look at this video... particularly the bit where the g overload rips it apart and the rocket fuel explodes... g force increases with speed so the fact that it is going slow at launch means trying to do high g manouvers later on would result in it coming apart as it does in this footage.



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    Post  navyfield on Sat May 31, 2014 7:51 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    navyfield wrote:the state of russian missile and rocket forces  Razz 

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyiglXHqbNw

    Thanks for posting this footage... people thinking new Russian ICBMs can zigzag just after take off please take a careful look at this video... particularly the bit where the g overload rips it apart and the rocket fuel explodes... g force increases with speed so the fact that it is going slow at launch means trying to do high g manouvers later on would result in it coming apart as it does in this footage.

    not true.
    atmosphere at 5km altituide is less then 50% density ,at 10km 10% ,where contrails can form ,also this is civilian nimble liquid fuell classic old rocket.
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    Post  Werewolf on Sat May 31, 2014 8:16 pm

    navyfield wrote:
    not true.
    atmosphere at 5km altituide is less then 50% density ,at 10km 10% ,where contrails can form  ,also this is civilian nimble liquid fuell classic old rocket.

    Friction of air is only one part what rips a missile apart.

    When a missile is tilting very quick there is big Gload because of that one end where the engine sits and the other end where the warhead/payload/tip is have both different acceleration speeds which creats the high Gloads, the friction of air amplifies this loads to breaking point.
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    Post  navyfield on Sat May 31, 2014 8:50 pm

    this are liquid fueled rockets full to maximum with fuel ,so very heavy 1st and second stage ,also with thin metal walls with no structural streinght.(only rocket engine develops high pressures)
    solid fuel rockets have much stronger casings because of high combustion pressure ,and besides just 3rd stage maneuvering is easier because its is much smaller and lighter and tougher.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Jun 02, 2014 12:07 pm

    solid fuel rockets have much stronger casings because of high combustion pressure ,and besides just 3rd stage maneuvering is easier because its is much smaller and lighter and tougher.

    Solid rocket motors are stronger because it is not just the outer casing but also the remaining unburnt rocket fuel that supports the casing... the problem with solid rocket fuel however is that there is no throttle... it just burns till it is gone so turning in different directions repeatedly just after launch would seriously reduce range performance... yet would offer little actual advantage against ABM systems in the US. If it is launched over the North Pole or South Pole ABM systems in Europe would have no chance of interception so the only ABM system that needs to be defeated is the one in Alaska... which makes zigzag manouvers just after launch pointless.

    this are liquid fueled rockets full to maximum with fuel ,so very heavy 1st and second stage ,also with thin metal walls with no structural streinght.(only rocket engine develops high pressures)

    Liquid fuelled rockets are pressurised like balloons which does give them some strength.

    Liquid rocket engines are also still more powerful leading to shorter periods in the launch/boost phase...



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    Post  navyfield on Wed Jun 04, 2014 5:14 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    solid fuel rockets have much stronger casings because of high combustion pressure ,and besides just 3rd stage maneuvering is easier because its is much smaller and lighter and tougher.

    Solid rocket motors are stronger because it is not just the outer casing but also the remaining unburnt rocket fuel that supports the casing... the problem with solid rocket fuel however is that there is no throttle... it just burns till it is gone so turning in different directions repeatedly just after launch would seriously reduce range performance... yet would offer little actual advantage against ABM systems in the US. If it is launched over the North Pole or South Pole ABM systems in Europe would have no chance of interception so the only ABM system that needs to be defeated is the one in Alaska... which makes zigzag manouvers just after launch pointless.

    this are liquid fueled rockets full to maximum with fuel ,so very heavy 1st and second stage ,also with thin metal walls with no structural streinght.(only rocket engine develops high pressures)

    Liquid fuelled rockets are pressurised like balloons which does give them some strength.

    Liquid rocket engines are also still more powerful leading to shorter periods in the launch/boost phase...

    ok from the top you werent getting what i was saying ,instead of testing and validating maneuvering warheads from plesetsk to kura 8.000km away ,russia can do it from kapustin yar -to sary shagan 3.000km . in that case there is no need to use first stage at all , but shortened version with stage 2+3 or just stage 3. that means they are lower and slower , but less expencive less logistics etc. so these contrails are experiments of maneuvering warheads in lower atmosphere. im sure there are g-limiters onboard anyway but marvs are designed for heavy loads and stresses..
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Jun 05, 2014 3:43 am

    delayed several times years and months ,and its launch of smallest 1.2 version.
    and its airport vostochni is not ready yet. so 3 big minuses for Rus space industry.

    Compared with the US equivalent... which currently exists on paper only... a huge zero for the US space industry... perhaps they might find some Nazis in the Ukraine to build some new space rockets for them?

    ok from the top you werent getting what i was saying ,instead of testing and validating maneuvering warheads from plesetsk to kura 8.000km away ,russia can do it from kapustin yar -to sary shagan 3.000km . in that case there is no need to use first stage at all , but shortened version with stage 2+3 or just stage 3. that means they are lower and slower , but less expencive less logistics etc. so these contrails are experiments of maneuvering warheads in lower atmosphere. im sure there are g-limiters onboard anyway but marvs are designed for heavy loads and stresses..

    You are clearly not getting it either... the targets they want to hit are not 3,000 kms away... they are 8,000km or more. If they wanted to save money they could have "tested" them on Scuds over 200km, but what would be the point... they already have manouvering high speed warheads on Iskander and even S-400 and S-300V and indeed the missiles used in the Moscow ABM system.

    How would a test over 3,000km validate a warhead that is supposed to operate over 8K km +?

    I guess I should be grateful you have stopped suggesting it is manouvering during launch...  Rolling Eyes 


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    Post  Viktor on Tue Jun 17, 2014 3:57 pm

    Nice  thumbsup 

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    Wow, interesting...thanks
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    Post  Sujoy on Wed Aug 20, 2014 12:46 pm

    Russia to get new intercontinental ballistic missiles path control system


    A new trajectory measurement system for strategic missile launches is being created for Russia’s Strategic Missile Forces (RVSN), a Defense Ministry spokesman said on Wednesday.

    “The advanced system, equipped with a new radar station, is to undergo tests at the Kapustin Yar firing range (Astrakhan region in southern Russia). It will work in the unified digital system of measuring data collection and take measurements along the whole missile flight trajectory, including in the areas that have no ground control and engineering facilities,” the ministry spokesman for the RVSN Dmitry Andreyev told ITAR-TASS.

    The system will determine the flight trajectory parameters of tested intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBM).

    At present, the Kama-N radar station and equipment that uses global satellite systems’ signals take trajectory measurements at the range.

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    Combat vehicles Typhoon to guard missile formations rearmed with ICBMs Yars
    MOSCOW, August 20. /ITAR-TASS/. Combat anti-sabotage vehicles Typhoon will guard Russian Strategic Missile Forces’ formations, rearmed with thermonuclear intercontinental ballistic missiles Yars.
    These combat machines will be delivered to all reequipped missile units this year, spokesman for Russian Strategic Missile Forces Major Dmitry Andreyev told ITAR-TASS on Wednesday.
    “Combat anti-sabotage vehicles are unique as they are armed with unmanned aerial combat vehicles and can detect the enemy at a distance of up to five kilometres,” he said.
    Strategic Missile Forces are improving their combat capability to fight terrorism and are keeping all existing Russian computerized security systems on combat alert.
    Combat anti-sabotage vehicles Typhoon-M passed all tests in 2012. Their delivery to missile formations started in 2013.
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    Post  George1 on Fri Aug 22, 2014 5:52 pm

    Russia Constructing Mobile Oxygen, Nitrogen Station – Defense Ministry

    MOSCOW, August 22 (RIA Novosti) - The Russian Strategic Missile Troops (RVSN) is creating a mobile nitrogen and oxygen production facility, Dmitry Andreyev, Defense Ministry spokesman for the RVSN, told RIA Novosti on Friday.

    “The station is a complex of interconnected equipment that … is able to operate on self-contained diesel powered units,” Andreyev said.

    According to the spokesman, the mobile station will enable the production of nitrogen and oxygen under wartime conditions in any given location. Compressed nitrogen can be used in the launch equipment of missile systems.

    The Russian Strategic Missile Troops is a branch of the Russian Armed Forces that is in control of Russia’s intercontinental ballistic missiles. The RSVN was created on December 17, 1959, and specializes in the attack of enemy nuclear weapons, military facilities and industrial infrastructure.
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    Post  George1 on Tue Aug 26, 2014 1:33 am

    About 100 arms samples to be tested at Kapustin Yar range in 2015

    MOSCOW, August 25. /ITAR-TASS/. Russia’s Defense Ministry plans to test in 2015 about 100 samples of armaments at the Kapustin Yar firing range in the Astrakhan region, the ministry spokesman for the Strategic Missile Forces (RVSN) Dmitry Andreyev said on Monday.

    “The testing will be carried out not only in the interests of the Russian Defense Ministry, but also in the interests of other Russian ministries and agencies,” he said.

    According to previous reports, more than 80 samples of armaments were planned to be tested at the range in 2014, and more than 30 armament samples were tested there in 2013.

    In 2015, the full modernisation of the range’s measuring complex and its transfer to the automatic work mode is expected. The range currently comprises four main research and test units for testing armaments and military equipment of the RVSN, air defense and Air Force, Ground Troops, the research and test centre of measurements, mathematical processing and information exchange, as well as the Sary-Shagan missile defense range in Kazakhstan. The Kapustin Yar range is planned, in particular, to be used as an experimental site for robot testing.
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:13 am

    Has there been any updates on Russia's new rail-based ICBMs??
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    Post  Mike E on Mon Sep 22, 2014 8:27 pm

    Deputy PM Rogozin: Russia to Fully Renew Strategic Nuclear Arsenal by 2020

    MOSCOW, September 22 (RIA Novosti) - Russia will renew its strategic nuclear forces (SNF) not by 70 percent as expected now, but by 100 percent, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin told Rossiya-24 television.
    "The formation of the technical basis for strategic nuclear forces is going at a faster rate, and, in fact, we will renew not 70 percent of the SNF, but 100 percent," Rogozin said.
    The deputy prime minister recalled that in 2015 the Army and the Navy should switch to "cutting edge" weaponry by 30 percent, and in 2020, by 70 percent. At the same time, Russia needs a compact Army, which, if necessary, can be relocated to "any threatening war theater."
    "Should we amaze our colleagues and it is necessary to brandish all types of weaponry to surprise them? Something must be preserved as a quiet secret for yourself to surprise at the most critical moment," Rogozin said.
    The Russian Army's reform began in 2008 and was the largest in post-Soviet history. The military's command and control was significantly changed, the size of the Army and number of conscripts reduced, and the number of contractors increased. The salaries of officers were significantly increased and their housing problems were solved.
    It also became began undergoing a rearmament program, unprecedented by volume, which will continue until 2020.

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    Post  Vann7 on Sat Sep 27, 2014 11:33 am

    Mike E wrote:Deputy PM Rogozin: Russia to Fully Renew Strategic Nuclear Arsenal by 2020

    MOSCOW, September 22 (RIA Novosti) - Russia will renew its strategic nuclear forces (SNF) not by 70 percent as expected now, but by 100 percent, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin told Rossiya-24 television.
    "The formation of the technical basis for strategic nuclear forces is going at a faster rate, and, in fact, we will renew not 70 percent of the SNF, but 100 percent," Rogozin said.
    The deputy prime minister recalled that in 2015 the Army and the Navy should switch to "cutting edge" weaponry by 30 percent, and in 2020, by 70 percent. At the same time, Russia needs a compact Army, which, if necessary, can be relocated to "any threatening war theater."
    "Should we amaze our colleagues and it is necessary to brandish all types of weaponry to surprise them? Something must be preserved as a quiet secret for yourself to surprise at the most critical moment," Rogozin said.
    The Russian Army's reform began in 2008 and was the largest in post-Soviet history. The military's command and control was significantly changed, the size of the Army and number of conscripts reduced, and the number of contractors increased. The salaries of officers were significantly increased and their housing problems were solved.
    It also became began undergoing a rearmament program, unprecedented by volume, which will continue until 2020.

    Cool thanks for the update..
    can't wait for that surprise.. Smile
    Im sure that it had to do with the surprise weapon that Putin was talking about in Crimea
    but no idea what could be.. Smile

    for me amazing will be..
    something like a Hypersonic Exosphere nuclear stealth bomber.. Ie.. that can fly forever in the mesosphere layer with the only limitation of food and land like a plane and manned by humans or control remote and enter and exit any nation airspace at will undetected. Very Happy

    But when it comes to a nuke.. will be impressive to see 1 Tera-ton bomb ,that release its energy more to the sides than upwards. the biggest bomb in world so far was TSAR bomb and only had 50 megatons..
    1 Tera ton = 1,000 megatons. Very Happy

    That will do something like this.. lol1



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    Post  Werewolf on Sat Sep 27, 2014 12:43 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    Mike E wrote:Deputy PM Rogozin: Russia to Fully Renew Strategic Nuclear Arsenal by 2020

    MOSCOW, September 22 (RIA Novosti) - Russia will renew its strategic nuclear forces (SNF) not by 70 percent as expected now, but by 100 percent, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin told Rossiya-24 television.
    "The formation of the technical basis for strategic nuclear forces is going at a faster rate, and, in fact, we will renew not 70 percent of the SNF, but 100 percent," Rogozin said.
    The deputy prime minister recalled that in 2015 the Army and the Navy should switch to "cutting edge" weaponry by 30 percent, and in 2020, by 70 percent. At the same time, Russia needs a compact Army, which, if necessary, can be relocated to "any threatening war theater."
    "Should we amaze our colleagues and it is necessary to brandish all types of weaponry to surprise them? Something must be preserved as a quiet secret for yourself to surprise at the most critical moment," Rogozin said.
    The Russian Army's reform began in 2008 and was the largest in post-Soviet history. The military's command and control was significantly changed, the size of the Army and number of conscripts reduced, and the number of contractors increased. The salaries of officers were significantly increased and their housing problems were solved.
    It also became began undergoing a rearmament program, unprecedented by volume, which will continue until 2020.

    Cool thanks for the update..
    can't wait for that surprise..  Smile
    Im sure that it had to do with the surprise weapon that Putin was talking about in Crimea
    but no idea what could be.. Smile

    for me amazing will be..
    something like a Hypersonic Exosphere nuclear stealth bomber.. Ie.. that can fly forever in the mesosphere layer with the only limitation of food and land like a plane and manned by humans or control remote and enter and exit any nation airspace at will undetected. Very Happy

    But when it comes to a nuke.. will be impressive to see 1 Tera-ton bomb ,that release its energy more to the sides than upwards.  the biggest bomb in world so far was TSAR bomb and only had 50 megatons..
    1 Tera ton = 1,000 megatons.   Very Happy

    That will do something like this..  
    lol1




    Sorry but even the Tsar bomb didn't leave anything behind it. It was a perfect crater, no remainings just a crater.
    Tera bomb would burn away a lot of the earths atmosphere, that alone would kill bln people.
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    Post  George1 on Sat Oct 11, 2014 2:32 pm

    Strategic Missile Forces in the third quarter of 2014 received five Yars ballistic missiles, six alerting vehicles and twelve training units
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    Post  George1 on Sun Nov 23, 2014 6:40 pm

    Strategic forces to be equipped with Yars nuclear missile system

    The combat effectiveness of Russia’s Strategic Missile Forces is being enhanced by the addition of new nuclear weapon systems for stationary and mobile deployment. A number of divisions have already introduced the Yars missile units, which will gradually phase out the older Topol systems.

    The commander of Russia’s Strategic Missile Forces (SMF) has announced that its regiments and divisions are to be upgraded with new Yars nuclear weapon systems for stationary and mobile deployment.

    "As part of creating a capable group, it is planned to place 16 missile launch sites armed with the Yars missile on operational duty," said General Sergei Karakayev at a session of the SMF’s military council on Nov. 14.

    This formidable technology is produced in two versions – mobile and stationary. Depending on the location of the unit and their operating zone, missiles can ‘serve’ based either in silos or from railway tracks. In the latter case, they can be controlled from a mobile command post.

    Strike force

    The Ministry of Defense has made it clear that the Yars, alongside the Topol-M, will serve as the SMFs main strike force for the next decades. The missiles not only increase its military capabilities but strengthen the potential deterrence of Russia’s strategic triad. Furthermore, the Yars will replace several divisions of the reliable but outdated Topol nuclear missile system.

    According to SMF Commander Sergei Karakayev, the START 3 agreement places no restrictions on upgrading existing weapons and the creation of new weapons, and new developments in the interests of the Strategic Missile Forces take the requirements of the agreement into account.

    The Teykovskoye command has already switched to the mobile Yars, and the mobile ground units are now being provided to the Tagilsk and Novosibirsk divisions. The Kozelsk division will shortly introduce a Yars missile system consisting of four silo launchers and a unified command post into operational duty in its missile regiment.

    The Yars system was developed based on the Topol but is much more powerful. Its missile, the RS-24, is superior in throw-weight to the Topol’s RS-12 by more than 20 percent. Although the Yars carries not one warhead but three to four, the designers have succeeded in keeping the strategic missile’s range to greater than 6,200 miles. It uses a three-stage system.

    Its body and instrument compartment have been treated with a coating that reduces the impact of various damaging factors, including a nuclear explosion. Furthermore, on launch, the missile can carry out a programmed manoeuver. This helps it make a relatively safe passage through a nuclear cloud should an enemy attack the Yars’ position with a ballistic missile.

    According to experts, the breakthrough technological solutions used in creating the RS-24 guarantee the high survivability of the missile when overcoming any missile defense systems. The strategic Yars does not need to fear even layered missile defense systems, including ones based in space.

    The Sarmatians are coming

    The operational strength of the SMF is now 400 strategic missile launchers with intercontinental ballistic missiles. Since their numbers are limited by Russia’s international obligations, the development of the land-based component of its nuclear triad is focused on two areas: Firstly, the modernization of silo-based and mobile missile systems already in use; secondly, the development of a new strategic arsenal.
    Upgrade of Russia’s strategic potential will be completed by 2020

    Upgrade of Russia’s strategic potential will be completed by 2020

    According to military sources, the SMF will receive a qualitatively new weapon in 2018-2020. They probably have in mind the stationary Sarmat (‘Sarmatian’) with a heavy intercontinental ballistic missile.

    Experimental design work on this project is being carried out by a group of industrial enterprises under the direction of the Makeyev Rocket Design Bureau. They plan to complete the work in five to six years. According to the former chief of the General Staff of the SMF Viktor Yesin, the Sarmat will replace the RS-20V Voevoda, which is currently on operational duty.

    The former head of the 4th Central Research Institute of the Ministry of Defense, General Vladimir Vasilenko believes that the new heavy intercontinental ballistic silo-based missile will possess the capacity to deliver warheads to targets using not only energetically optimal trajectories with direct approach bearings, but also strikes from various directions, including via the South Pole.

    Source: Russia Beyond the Headlines - http://rbth.co.uk/defence/2014/11/23/strategic_forces_to_be_equipped_with_yars_nuclear_missile_system_41597.html)

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