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    Re: Strategic Missile Troops (ICBMs): Discussion & News

    Post  Werewolf on Thu Feb 27, 2014 8:59 am

    GarryB wrote:
    In other words instead of firing missiles over the north pole from Russia to the US, you can fire them south on the opposite trajectory over the south pole and up over south and central america to attack north america from the south... where no long range radar cover...

    it will go around every 90 minutes... when it approaches the target area fire a rocket to decellerate the weapon out of orbit to fall on the target.

    For the enemy that bomb might have been up for years or days and disguised as a "failed" satellite. the only warning they will likely get is when it reenters so no time to do anything at all to stop it...

    The first weapon might be a 20MT bomb to detonate in the upper atmosphere over canada to blind all the radar and block all radio communcation over the northern american land mass for an hour or two to hide a full nuclear strike...

    The little problem is space based nuclear weapons are banned and space launch is monitored to a certain degree of the payload mass, not that this couldn't be still done but makes it much harder to deploy nuclear weapons in space.

    But this method is the only promising method to stay on the side of not nuked but polluded "winners" rather than die immidiatley vaporized.

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    Post  Austin on Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:33 am

    Thanks Garry , So the idea is to try the long route to reach America.......Most likely to avoid any dense missile defence , the conventional path over Europe has to cross many ABM sites.
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    Re: Strategic Missile Troops (ICBMs): Discussion & News

    Post  GarryB on Fri Feb 28, 2014 7:03 am

    The little problem is space based nuclear weapons are banned

    Most ICBMs enter space on their way to the target area... and the ban on nuclear weapons in space is just another agreement Russia can withdraw from like the US withdrew from the ABM treaty.

    Most likely to avoid any dense missile defence , the conventional path over Europe has to cross many ABM sites.

    Exactly.

    Some large satellites weigh 12 tons or more and contain lots of fuel... would not be that hard to put a 1 ton 25MT warhead inside a shell with a rocket to decelerate the weapon from orbit and fill the rest of the body with bits to make it look like something else and pretend it failed in orbit when in fact its purpose is to hide for a decade and then slowly adjust orbit and eventually deorbit over the US with an EMP effect to wipe out most of North America leaving it totally blind to the real attack that will immediately follow.


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    Re: Strategic Missile Troops (ICBMs): Discussion & News

    Post  collegeboy16 on Fri Feb 28, 2014 1:26 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Some large satellites weigh 12 tons or more and contain lots of fuel... would not be that hard to put a 1 ton 25MT warhead inside a shell with a rocket to decelerate the weapon from orbit and fill the rest of the body with bits to make it look like something else and pretend it failed in orbit when in fact its purpose is to hide for a decade and then slowly adjust orbit  and eventually deorbit over the US with an EMP effect to wipe out most of North America leaving it totally blind to the real attack that will immediately follow.
    And the scary part is that all it takes really is one massive EMP to knock modern societies to the medieval age.
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    Russian Military to Deploy Security Bots at Missile Bases

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:12 am

    Russian Military to Deploy Security Bots at Missile Bases

    MOSCOW, March 12 (RIA Novosti) – Russia is planning to deploy mobile security robots in 2014 to protect its strategic missile facilities, the Defense Ministry said Wednesday.
    “In March, the Russian Strategic Missile Forces [RVSN] began testing mobile robotic systems being developed to protect key RVSN installations,” spokesman Maj. Dmitry Andreyev said.
    Andreyev said the security bots will be deployed at five ballistic missile launch sites around Russia as part of an upgrade to the existing automated security systems.
    The official said the robots will carry out reconnaissance and patrol missions, detect and destroy stationary or moving targets and provide fire support for security personnel at the guarded facilities.
    Mobile robotic platforms play an increasingly important role in military and security applications, helping personnel to meet challenges posed by the growing threat of terrorist attacks or “guerilla warfare.”

    http://en.ria.ru/russia/20140313/188363867/Russian-Military-to-Deploy-Security-Bots-at-Missile-Bases.html

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    Re: Strategic Missile Troops (ICBMs): Discussion & News

    Post  Viktor on Thu Apr 03, 2014 12:57 pm

    Finally - excellent article about "PERIMETER" - highly recommended to all


    Ultimate deterrent: How the Russian ‘Perimeter’ system works


    The biggest factor deterring World War 3 is Russia's system that would send a retaliatory nuclear strike even if the command and communication lines of its Strategic Missile Forces were totally destroyed. It is called ‘Perimeter,’ and in the U.S. it has been nicknamed ‘Dead Hand’.

    The main command and control of the strategic missiles is called Kazbek. It is famous for its nuclear briefcase codenamed Cheget. Perimeter is an alternative command system of Russia's nuclear forces. It was designed to automatically control a massive nuclear attack.
    The development of a system of guaranteed retaliation began in the midst of the Cold War when it became clear that electronic warfare systems, which were being constantly improved, would soon be able to block the regular channels controlling the strategic nuclear forces. A backup method of communication was needed that would guarantee the commands would make it to the launchers.

    It was then that the idea was conceived to use a missile equipped with a powerful radio transmitter as a communication link. While flying over the Soviet Union, the missile would send the launch command not only to command centres of the strategic missile force, but also directly to the launchers. On August 30, 1974, USSR secret decree № 695-227 ordered Dnepropetrovsk's Yuzhnoe Design Bureau, an intercontinental ballistic missile manufacturer, to create this system.

    The UR-100UTTKh (NATO designation Spanker) was used as the basis for the system. Flight testing began in 1979, and the first successful launch with the transmitter was on December 26. Tests confirmed all system components of Perimeter could successfully interact, and that the warhead of the command missile would stick to the desired trajectory.
    In November 1984, the command missile was launched from Polotsk and gave a command to the silo launch facility of an RS-20 ICBM (SS-18 Satan) at Baikonur. The Satan was launched, and after each stage was tested, it was confirmed the warhead landed on the correct quadrant at the Kura test range on Kamchatka peninsula. In January 1985, Perimeter was commissioned. Since then the system has been updated several times, now modern ICBM missiles are used as the command missile.
    Four ‘if's’

    The system is made up of command ballistic missiles. Instead of flying towards the enemy, they fly over Russia, and instead of thermonuclear warheads, they carry transmitters that can send a command to launch all available combat missiles in silos, aircraft, submarines and mobile ground units. The system is fully automated, the human factor is excluded or minimized in it.
    The decision to launch command missiles is made by an autonomous control and command system -- a complex artificial intelligence system. It receives and analyzes a wide variety of information about seismic activity and radiation, atmospheric pressure, and the intensity of chatter on military radio frequencies. It monitors telemetry from the observation posts of the strategic missile force and data from early warning systems (EWS).

    If it detects, for example, multiple point sources of powerful ionizing and electromagnetic radiation, it compares them with data on seismic disturbances in the same locations, and makes a decision whether or not there was a massive nuclear strike. In this case, Perimeter would initiate a retaliation strike bypassing even Kazbek.

    Another scenario is if the country's leadership receives information from the EWS that other countries have launched missiles, it would activate Perimeter. If the shutdown command does not come within a certain amount of time, the system will launch missiles. This eliminates the human factor and ensures there would be a retaliatory strike even if the command and launch teams were completely destroyed.

    In peacetime, Perimeter is dormant but continues, however, to analyze incoming information. When it is put on high alert or when it receives a warning signal from the EWS, strategic forces, or other systems, a monitoring network of sensors is launched to detect signs of nuclear explosions.

    Russian leaders have repeatedly assured foreign governments that there is no risk of an accidental or unauthorized missile launch. Before launching, Perimeter checks for four conditions. First, whether there was a nuclear attack. Then it checks the communication link with the General Staff. If there is still a link, the system shuts down. If the General Staff does not respond, Perimeter sends a request to Kazbek. If there is no response there either, the artificial intelligence gives any person in the command bunker the right to make the decision. And only then it starts to act.


    Ultimate deterrent: How the Russian ‘Perimeter’ system works

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    Strategic Missile Forces

    Post  macedonian on Thu Apr 03, 2014 1:30 pm

    Viktor wrote:Finally - excellent article about "PERIMETER" - highly recommended to all

    A good read.
    Thanks Viktor
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    Re: Strategic Missile Troops (ICBMs): Discussion & News

    Post  Sujoy on Wed May 21, 2014 9:52 am

    Topol E launch successful .

    http://russianforces.org/blog/2014/05/topol-e_launched_from_kapustin.shtml

    Interesting part is a new warhead has been tested .


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    Re: Strategic Missile Troops (ICBMs): Discussion & News

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed May 21, 2014 8:02 pm

    Sujoy wrote:Topol E launch successful .

    http://thedailynewnation.com/news/12998/no-major-change-in-foreign-policy-modis-aide.html

    Interesting part is a new warhead has been tested .

    I think you have the wrong link. Here's a link to the Topol-E launch:

    Strategic Rocket Forces conducted a successful launch ICBMs landfill "Kapustin Yar"



    The aim was to test a promising start warheads of intercontinental ballistic missiles

    MOSCOW, May 20 - RIA Novosti. RVSN intercontinental ballistic missile launched from Kapustin Yar in Astrakhan region, the press service of the management and to the Ministry of Defence.
    Test launch of an intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) RS-12M "Topol" was held on 20 May at 21.08 Moscow time.
    "The aim was to test a promising start warheads of intercontinental ballistic missiles. Training warhead missiles struck with a given accuracy conditional on goal range" Sary-Shagan "(Republic of Kazakhstan)," - said in a statement.
    As highlighted in the report, to test elements of the combat equipment of ballistic missiles Kapustin Yar is unique. Only the test routes and measuring complex polygon allow testing of future combat equipment in the whole range of possible conditions for its delivery to the objectives in the interests of the Strategic Missile Forces and the Navy.


    Full text: http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20140520/1008614602.html#ixzz32NFuNxnw


    Some more links:

    Topol-E launched from Kapustin Yar

    On May 20, 2014 the Strategic Rocket Forces carried out a successful launch of a Topol/SS-25 missile that was used to test "new combat payload for future ICBMs." The missile was launched at 21:08 MSK (17:08 UTC) from the Kapustin Yar test site toward the Sary Shagan test site in Kazakhstan.

    The Kapustin Yar-Sary Shagan Topol launches has been conducted quite frequently recently. The most recent launch of this type took place in March 2014. Today's launch is most likely one of the two launches that, according to Kazakhstan, Russia was planning to conduct in March. Kazakhstan's ministry of defense identified the missiles used in these launches as Topol-E (Тополь-Э).

    UPDATE: The missile left a nice trail in the sky. Also, the video of the launch shows the large warhead section characteristic for Topol-E launches from Kapustin Yar.

    http://russianforces.org/blog/2014/05/topol-e_launched_from_kapustin.shtml



    A strange contrail demonstrating the new warhead's hypersonic ABM-busting maneuverability:

    Southerners saw heaven "track from UFO"

    Hundreds of Astrakhan and its environs witnessed an unusual but beautiful phenomenon. In the night sky appeared white glow with streaks and spiral winding trail, which looked like the aurora borealis, or the trace of the UFO. Many citizens had time to remove what he saw on the video camera, and smartphones and tablet computers.

    A similar pattern was also observed and residents of Volgograd.

    However, it soon became clear that the heavenly trail left intercontinental ballistic missile RS-12M "Topol", which was launched from the landfill "Kapustin Yar" in Astrakhan region.

    - The rocket was launched combat crew Strategic Missile Forces. The aim is to test a promising start warheads ICBMs. Training warhead missiles struck with a given accuracy conditional on goal range "Sary-Shagan" in Kazakhstan, - said in a statement Defense Ministry press service.

    Recall that this is not the first start lately. In March, the Strategic Missile Forces launched ICBM RS-12M "Topol". Military mainly tested the behavior of the air and the accuracy with which the target lies on the ground of his new simulator. The medium itself in such launches also holds exam. His prolong the service life constantly, now it reaches a quarter century. When a resource missiles close to completion, or it is removed from combat duty, or take from the warehouses and sent to such tests.

    http://www.rg.ru/2014/05/21/reg-ufo/sled-anons.html









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    Re: Strategic Missile Troops (ICBMs): Discussion & News

    Post  Sujoy on Thu May 22, 2014 9:37 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:I think you have the wrong link. Here's a link to the Topol-E launch:

    My bad . Thanks for pointing that out . I have edited it .
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    Post  Viktor on Thu May 22, 2014 1:24 pm

    Difference in warhead - it seems that Topol-E is modernized version of the old Topol with something mean

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu May 22, 2014 2:58 pm

    Viktor wrote:Difference in warhead - it seems that Topol-E is modernized version of the old Topol with something mean


    It's wider width indicates that the warheads probably due in fact have their own separate rocket motors for allowing hypersonic maneuverability in it's last stage and ending the reign of the "bus" method of MIRV warhead deployment.
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    Post  Viktor on Thu May 22, 2014 3:11 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:It's wider width indicates that the warheads probably due in fact have their own separate rocket motors for allowing hypersonic maneuverability in it's last stage and ending the reign of the "bus" method of MIRV warhead deployment.

    My thoughts exactly. But see this video from 5:20 on ... LINK
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu May 22, 2014 6:51 pm

    Viktor wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:It's wider width indicates that the warheads probably due in fact have their own separate rocket motors for allowing hypersonic maneuverability in it's last stage and ending the reign of the "bus" method of MIRV warhead deployment.

    My thoughts exactly.  But see this video from 5:20 on ... LINK

    Thanks, I've seen the vid before and it demonstrates how difficult Topol-E would be to intercept. Another way to put it is it's like RS-24 Yars married Iskander-M and had a child named Topol-E!
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    Post  Sujoy on Thu May 22, 2014 7:27 pm

    Viktor wrote:Difference in warhead - it seems that Topol-E is modernized version of the old Topol with something mean

    Viktor , isn't TOPOL a missile that is used only to test new warheads ? Or is the TOPOL deployed as well like Yars & Bulava ?

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    Post  Austin on Thu May 22, 2014 7:39 pm

    Topol-E is used to test new Warhead , Decoys , Countermeasures E stands for Experimental.

    Not to be confused with Topol SS-25 thats road mobile system deployed in 80's and still operational.
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    Post  Sujoy on Thu May 22, 2014 8:59 pm

    Austin wrote:Topol-E is used to test new Warhead , Decoys , Countermeasures E stands for Experimental.

    Not to be confused with Topol SS-25 thats road mobile system deployed in 80's and still operational.

    Got it . Thanks .
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    Post  collegeboy16 on Fri May 23, 2014 7:50 am

    old topol-M warhead looks like Bulava-M warhead. the newer one looks like Bulava-30
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    Post  navyfield on Fri May 23, 2014 5:48 pm

    that video is wow , tremendeous acceleration and quickburn of stage 1&2...
    3rd stages separation starts very early compared to other missiles (at the mouth of yenisei river) 1/4 of the way to kamchatka.
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    Re: Strategic Missile Troops (ICBMs): Discussion & News

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri May 23, 2014 7:43 pm

    It's truly insane how maneuverable the warheads are, like I mentioned it's like Iskander-M ballistic missiles merged with RS-24 Yars ICBM's and really deserves to be in their own category...I mean just look at the insane hypersonic maneuverability, look at the zigzagging motion happening at speeds between Mach 20 and Mach 30.

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    Post  GarryB on Sat May 24, 2014 11:43 am

    That zig zagging is not likely the missile manouvering... it is over Russia that those photos are being taken... there is no point in manouvering at that end of the trajectory... it would just waste energy and reduce speed.

    the zig zag shape is caused by a near straight flight path being broken up by high altitude wind flow.


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    Post  navyfield on Sat May 24, 2014 3:53 pm

    correction you are wrong.
    yes it is and why not ,when you test whole missile you aim at kura range...
    but you can just as easily launch just 2nd and 3rd stage (without the first),or just 3rd stage from the ground, and not the whole missile.
    you dont need to lob and waiste topols all day when smaller scale on smaller ranges is good enough.
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    Post  TR1 on Sat May 24, 2014 9:52 pm

    GarryB wrote:That zig zagging is not likely the missile manouvering... it is over Russia that those photos are being taken... there is no point in manouvering at that end of the trajectory... it would just waste energy and reduce speed.

    the zig zag shape is caused by a near straight flight path being broken up by high altitude wind flow.

    Exactly.

    I don't think it has anything to do with maneuvers whatsoever.

    What we need is a video, and I suspect it will show nothing like those sort of extreme turns.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat May 24, 2014 10:19 pm

    TR1 wrote:
    GarryB wrote:That zig zagging is not likely the missile manouvering... it is over Russia that those photos are being taken... there is no point in manouvering at that end of the trajectory... it would just waste energy and reduce speed.

    the zig zag shape is caused by a near straight flight path being broken up by high altitude wind flow.

    Exactly.

    I don't think it has anything to do with maneuvers whatsoever.

    What we need is a video, and I suspect it will show nothing like those sort of extreme turns.

    Well this was posted early in the thread by Viktor, CGI demonstrating a warhead with extreme manueverability with a blue contrail exhaust just like in the picture that I posted, demonstrated at the 5:40 mark:

    http://www.1tv.ru/news/world/259030


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    Post  TR1 on Sat May 24, 2014 10:21 pm

    CGI can be misinformation.

    :/

    The path shown in the video looks made up TBH.

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