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    Post  Mike E on Mon Sep 22, 2014 8:27 pm

    Deputy PM Rogozin: Russia to Fully Renew Strategic Nuclear Arsenal by 2020

    MOSCOW, September 22 (RIA Novosti) - Russia will renew its strategic nuclear forces (SNF) not by 70 percent as expected now, but by 100 percent, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin told Rossiya-24 television.
    "The formation of the technical basis for strategic nuclear forces is going at a faster rate, and, in fact, we will renew not 70 percent of the SNF, but 100 percent," Rogozin said.
    The deputy prime minister recalled that in 2015 the Army and the Navy should switch to "cutting edge" weaponry by 30 percent, and in 2020, by 70 percent. At the same time, Russia needs a compact Army, which, if necessary, can be relocated to "any threatening war theater."
    "Should we amaze our colleagues and it is necessary to brandish all types of weaponry to surprise them? Something must be preserved as a quiet secret for yourself to surprise at the most critical moment," Rogozin said.
    The Russian Army's reform began in 2008 and was the largest in post-Soviet history. The military's command and control was significantly changed, the size of the Army and number of conscripts reduced, and the number of contractors increased. The salaries of officers were significantly increased and their housing problems were solved.
    It also became began undergoing a rearmament program, unprecedented by volume, which will continue until 2020.

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    Post  Vann7 on Sat Sep 27, 2014 11:33 am

    Mike E wrote:Deputy PM Rogozin: Russia to Fully Renew Strategic Nuclear Arsenal by 2020

    MOSCOW, September 22 (RIA Novosti) - Russia will renew its strategic nuclear forces (SNF) not by 70 percent as expected now, but by 100 percent, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin told Rossiya-24 television.
    "The formation of the technical basis for strategic nuclear forces is going at a faster rate, and, in fact, we will renew not 70 percent of the SNF, but 100 percent," Rogozin said.
    The deputy prime minister recalled that in 2015 the Army and the Navy should switch to "cutting edge" weaponry by 30 percent, and in 2020, by 70 percent. At the same time, Russia needs a compact Army, which, if necessary, can be relocated to "any threatening war theater."
    "Should we amaze our colleagues and it is necessary to brandish all types of weaponry to surprise them? Something must be preserved as a quiet secret for yourself to surprise at the most critical moment," Rogozin said.
    The Russian Army's reform began in 2008 and was the largest in post-Soviet history. The military's command and control was significantly changed, the size of the Army and number of conscripts reduced, and the number of contractors increased. The salaries of officers were significantly increased and their housing problems were solved.
    It also became began undergoing a rearmament program, unprecedented by volume, which will continue until 2020.

    Cool thanks for the update..
    can't wait for that surprise.. Smile
    Im sure that it had to do with the surprise weapon that Putin was talking about in Crimea
    but no idea what could be.. Smile

    for me amazing will be..
    something like a Hypersonic Exosphere nuclear stealth bomber.. Ie.. that can fly forever in the mesosphere layer with the only limitation of food and land like a plane and manned by humans or control remote and enter and exit any nation airspace at will undetected. Very Happy

    But when it comes to a nuke.. will be impressive to see 1 Tera-ton bomb ,that release its energy more to the sides than upwards. the biggest bomb in world so far was TSAR bomb and only had 50 megatons..
    1 Tera ton = 1,000 megatons. Very Happy

    That will do something like this.. lol1



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    Post  Werewolf on Sat Sep 27, 2014 12:43 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    Mike E wrote:Deputy PM Rogozin: Russia to Fully Renew Strategic Nuclear Arsenal by 2020

    MOSCOW, September 22 (RIA Novosti) - Russia will renew its strategic nuclear forces (SNF) not by 70 percent as expected now, but by 100 percent, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin told Rossiya-24 television.
    "The formation of the technical basis for strategic nuclear forces is going at a faster rate, and, in fact, we will renew not 70 percent of the SNF, but 100 percent," Rogozin said.
    The deputy prime minister recalled that in 2015 the Army and the Navy should switch to "cutting edge" weaponry by 30 percent, and in 2020, by 70 percent. At the same time, Russia needs a compact Army, which, if necessary, can be relocated to "any threatening war theater."
    "Should we amaze our colleagues and it is necessary to brandish all types of weaponry to surprise them? Something must be preserved as a quiet secret for yourself to surprise at the most critical moment," Rogozin said.
    The Russian Army's reform began in 2008 and was the largest in post-Soviet history. The military's command and control was significantly changed, the size of the Army and number of conscripts reduced, and the number of contractors increased. The salaries of officers were significantly increased and their housing problems were solved.
    It also became began undergoing a rearmament program, unprecedented by volume, which will continue until 2020.

    Cool thanks for the update..
    can't wait for that surprise..  Smile
    Im sure that it had to do with the surprise weapon that Putin was talking about in Crimea
    but no idea what could be.. Smile

    for me amazing will be..
    something like a Hypersonic Exosphere nuclear stealth bomber.. Ie.. that can fly forever in the mesosphere layer with the only limitation of food and land like a plane and manned by humans or control remote and enter and exit any nation airspace at will undetected. Very Happy

    But when it comes to a nuke.. will be impressive to see 1 Tera-ton bomb ,that release its energy more to the sides than upwards.  the biggest bomb in world so far was TSAR bomb and only had 50 megatons..
    1 Tera ton = 1,000 megatons.   Very Happy

    That will do something like this..  
    lol1




    Sorry but even the Tsar bomb didn't leave anything behind it. It was a perfect crater, no remainings just a crater.
    Tera bomb would burn away a lot of the earths atmosphere, that alone would kill bln people.
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    Post  George1 on Sat Oct 11, 2014 2:32 pm

    Strategic Missile Forces in the third quarter of 2014 received five Yars ballistic missiles, six alerting vehicles and twelve training units
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    Post  George1 on Sat Oct 18, 2014 4:05 am

    Russian Strategic Missile Forces Create Cybersecurity Units: Defense Ministry

    MOSCOW, October 16 (RIA Novosti) - Sopka teams, tasked to detect and prevent cyberattacks, have been created within the Russian Strategic Missile Forces (SMF), the ministry’s Strategic Missile Forces spokesman Col. Igor Yegorov told journalists Thursday.

    "The SMF is adopting digital technologies in weapon and troop control and is expanding the use of electronic document management. Due to that, the staff of the SMF are taking preventive measures in upgrading cybersecurity: the process of creating teams responsible for sustainable combat troop control amid cyberwarfare is underway," Yegorov said.

    According to the spokesman, the cyberspecialists will be tasked with detecting and reducing the vulnerability of information systems, when necessary.

    The Sopka units are created for troops armed with mobile land-based missile systems and for those equipped with silo launchers.

    By 2017, the Defense Ministry will set up a special division tasked with repelling cyberattacks aimed at its crucial objectives. In summer 2013, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said the ministry was seeking programmers.
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    Post  George1 on Sun Nov 23, 2014 6:40 pm

    Strategic forces to be equipped with Yars nuclear missile system

    The combat effectiveness of Russia’s Strategic Missile Forces is being enhanced by the addition of new nuclear weapon systems for stationary and mobile deployment. A number of divisions have already introduced the Yars missile units, which will gradually phase out the older Topol systems.

    The commander of Russia’s Strategic Missile Forces (SMF) has announced that its regiments and divisions are to be upgraded with new Yars nuclear weapon systems for stationary and mobile deployment.

    "As part of creating a capable group, it is planned to place 16 missile launch sites armed with the Yars missile on operational duty," said General Sergei Karakayev at a session of the SMF’s military council on Nov. 14.

    This formidable technology is produced in two versions – mobile and stationary. Depending on the location of the unit and their operating zone, missiles can ‘serve’ based either in silos or from railway tracks. In the latter case, they can be controlled from a mobile command post.

    Strike force

    The Ministry of Defense has made it clear that the Yars, alongside the Topol-M, will serve as the SMFs main strike force for the next decades. The missiles not only increase its military capabilities but strengthen the potential deterrence of Russia’s strategic triad. Furthermore, the Yars will replace several divisions of the reliable but outdated Topol nuclear missile system.

    According to SMF Commander Sergei Karakayev, the START 3 agreement places no restrictions on upgrading existing weapons and the creation of new weapons, and new developments in the interests of the Strategic Missile Forces take the requirements of the agreement into account.

    The Teykovskoye command has already switched to the mobile Yars, and the mobile ground units are now being provided to the Tagilsk and Novosibirsk divisions. The Kozelsk division will shortly introduce a Yars missile system consisting of four silo launchers and a unified command post into operational duty in its missile regiment.

    The Yars system was developed based on the Topol but is much more powerful. Its missile, the RS-24, is superior in throw-weight to the Topol’s RS-12 by more than 20 percent. Although the Yars carries not one warhead but three to four, the designers have succeeded in keeping the strategic missile’s range to greater than 6,200 miles. It uses a three-stage system.

    Its body and instrument compartment have been treated with a coating that reduces the impact of various damaging factors, including a nuclear explosion. Furthermore, on launch, the missile can carry out a programmed manoeuver. This helps it make a relatively safe passage through a nuclear cloud should an enemy attack the Yars’ position with a ballistic missile.

    According to experts, the breakthrough technological solutions used in creating the RS-24 guarantee the high survivability of the missile when overcoming any missile defense systems. The strategic Yars does not need to fear even layered missile defense systems, including ones based in space.

    The Sarmatians are coming

    The operational strength of the SMF is now 400 strategic missile launchers with intercontinental ballistic missiles. Since their numbers are limited by Russia’s international obligations, the development of the land-based component of its nuclear triad is focused on two areas: Firstly, the modernization of silo-based and mobile missile systems already in use; secondly, the development of a new strategic arsenal.
    Upgrade of Russia’s strategic potential will be completed by 2020

    Upgrade of Russia’s strategic potential will be completed by 2020

    According to military sources, the SMF will receive a qualitatively new weapon in 2018-2020. They probably have in mind the stationary Sarmat (‘Sarmatian’) with a heavy intercontinental ballistic missile.

    Experimental design work on this project is being carried out by a group of industrial enterprises under the direction of the Makeyev Rocket Design Bureau. They plan to complete the work in five to six years. According to the former chief of the General Staff of the SMF Viktor Yesin, the Sarmat will replace the RS-20V Voevoda, which is currently on operational duty.

    The former head of the 4th Central Research Institute of the Ministry of Defense, General Vladimir Vasilenko believes that the new heavy intercontinental ballistic silo-based missile will possess the capacity to deliver warheads to targets using not only energetically optimal trajectories with direct approach bearings, but also strikes from various directions, including via the South Pole.

    Source: Russia Beyond the Headlines - http://rbth.co.uk/defence/2014/11/23/strategic_forces_to_be_equipped_with_yars_nuclear_missile_system_41597.html)
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    Post  Viktor on Wed Dec 10, 2014 9:44 pm

    Nice Very Happy

    Army of the Russian Federation for the year was 38 intercontinental ballistic missiles
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    Post  George1 on Tue Dec 16, 2014 3:31 pm

    Tests of 5th-generation control system for Russian missile forces to be completed in 2015
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    Post  Viktor on Sat Dec 20, 2014 1:45 am

    Huuuge numbers .... thumbsup

    Putin: Russian Federation will receive 50 intercontinental ballistic missiles in 2015
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    Post  Rmf on Mon Dec 22, 2014 4:59 pm

    well 3 new nuclear submarines require 48 missiles ,right pirat
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Dec 23, 2014 9:03 am

    I don't think so... I suspect they will design these new weapons from scratch to optimise their performance.

    Also with the 50 new ICBMs that will mean the retirement of perhaps 5 SS-18s.... it is not really that much... but it is a positive move.


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    Post  George1 on Thu Dec 25, 2014 8:17 pm

    Russia to Deploy New Silo-Based Ballistic Missiles in Orenburg, Krasnoyarsk

    The 100-ton Sarmat ICBM with an operational range of no less than 5,500 kilometers is to replace the military’s current Satans between 2018 and 2020.

    MOSCOW, December 25 (Sputnik) – Russia will deploy its new silo-based heavy ballistic Sarmat missiles in the Orenburg Region and Krasnoyarsk Territory, Strategic Missile Forces Commander Col.Gen. Sergei Karakayev said Thursday.

    New Russian Space Anti-Ballistic Missile System On-Track for 2020: Engineer
    “This heavy rocket will be deployed in Uzhur [in the Krasnoyarsk Territory] and the village of Dombarovsky [in the Oregnburg Region],” Karakayev said.

    The 100-ton Sarmat ICBM with an operational range of no less than 5,500 kilometers (over 3,400 miles) is to replace the military’s current SS-18 Satan ICBMs between 2018 and 2020.

    The new ICBM's operational and physical characteristics are classified, and its components are currently being tested. Only Russian enterprises are involved in the production of the missiles.

    In December 2013, the SMF chief said that the Sarmat is expected to feature advanced countermeasures, such as a complex command and control systems and a high degree of maneuverability, enabling it to penetrate missile defense systems.

    The SS-18 Satan missiles introduced in 1975 were the first Soviet-made multiple independently targetable reentry vehicle missiles. The silo-housed and highly accurate missiles are believed to pose a serious threat to US land-based strategic missile systems.
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    Post  Viktor on Fri Dec 26, 2014 1:20 pm

    Nice thumbsup

    Yars-M is the name of the missile that will be applied to combat missile train. (6 per train)

    A source in the defense industry: combat missile train developed in Russia before 2018

    46 launchers are to be filled with new 100ton liquid fueld mega-missile Very Happy

    Source: IDB "Sarmatian" will be armed with seven missile regiments Strategic Missile Forces

    Yars- tested successfully

    Strategic Missile Forces have successfully tested a ballistic missile "yars"

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    Post  flamming_python on Fri Dec 26, 2014 1:47 pm

    Viktor wrote:Nice  thumbsup

    Yars-M is the name of the missile that will be applied to combat missile train. (6 per train).

    Source?
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    Post  Viktor on Fri Dec 26, 2014 2:12 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Viktor wrote:Nice  thumbsup

    Yars-M is the name of the missile that will be applied to combat missile train. (6 per train).

    Source?


    So, existing missile will be adopted for the use from the trains - no money will be spend on new missile

    "One regiment recreated in Russia BZHRK new generation" Barguzin "will be able to carry six intercontinental ballistic missiles" yars "or" yars-M "- a spokesman said.

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    Post  flamming_python on Fri Dec 26, 2014 2:35 pm

    Viktor wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    Viktor wrote:Nice  thumbsup

    Yars-M is the name of the missile that will be applied to combat missile train. (6 per train).

    Source?


    So, existing missile will be adopted for the use from the trains - no money will be spend on new missile

    "One regiment recreated in Russia BZHRK new generation" Barguzin "will be able to carry six intercontinental ballistic missiles" yars "or" yars-M "- a spokesman said.

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    Good. Although I'm surprised that the Yars will be able to fit. I would have thought the Avangard or one of the SLBMs modified for train-use would have been more likely.

    And 6 per train? Woah. This is like a rail-based ballistic missile sub really, except using camoflage among other trains to avoid detection, as opposed to diving under the surface of the ocean.
    They really need to halve or third that number, otherwise it really would be a case of putting all of one's eggs in one basket. Not to mention, the amount of maintance/support/personnel/configurations of the carriages would make the train stand out too much.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Dec 27, 2014 9:35 am

    Not to mention, the amount of maintance/support/personnel/configurations of the carriages would make the train stand out too much.

    IF they have any brains... and I think they do... they will go all out to make the carriages and engines look exactly like any other carriage/engine combination.

    I rather suspect the number of missile carriages is based on the average train layout so as to remain inconspicuous. SLBMs don't require constant attention and maintainence at sea for their deployment, so I don't see why those based on trains would need more attention... though I do suspect vibration levels will be higher.

    With all the ballistic missile defence radars around the place they could invest in millions of little sidings for trains to turn off the main track and roll down into an underground shelter to protect trains from above ground nuclear explosions or air attack.

    If it meets all the requirements using a missile that has already been developed makes sense as it will be new and capable and will save a lot of time and money and the numbers of rail based versions can be hidden by including silo based missile production... ie we made x number of Yars missiles without breaking down the numbers into rail and silo based missiles.... Twisted Evil

    By putting 6 missiles in each train you can put security around 6 trains or more and observers wont know which train has the missiles so will have to deal with all of them...


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    Post  kvs on Sun Dec 28, 2014 5:02 am

    George1 wrote:Russia to Deploy New Silo-Based Ballistic Missiles in Orenburg, Krasnoyarsk

    The 100-ton Sarmat ICBM with an operational range of no less than 5,500 kilometers is to replace the military’s current Satans between 2018 and 2020.

    MOSCOW, December 25 (Sputnik) – Russia will deploy its new silo-based heavy ballistic Sarmat missiles in the Orenburg Region and Krasnoyarsk Territory, Strategic Missile Forces Commander Col.Gen. Sergei Karakayev said Thursday.

    New Russian Space Anti-Ballistic Missile System On-Track for 2020: Engineer
    “This heavy rocket will be deployed in Uzhur [in the Krasnoyarsk Territory] and the village of Dombarovsky [in the Oregnburg Region],” Karakayev said.

    The 100-ton Sarmat ICBM with an operational range of no less than 5,500 kilometers (over 3,400 miles) is to replace the military’s current SS-18 Satan ICBMs between 2018 and 2020.


    This range is a ridiculous underestimate. It's range will be at least 11,000 km. The whole point of a large missile is that it can carry more payload and take
    it much farther. A range of 5,500 km would make it a regional theater missile and not a real ICBM.

    Who ever writes these articles should stop with the filler. It's inane.
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sun Dec 28, 2014 6:29 am

    kvs wrote:
    George1 wrote:Russia to Deploy New Silo-Based Ballistic Missiles in Orenburg, Krasnoyarsk

    The 100-ton Sarmat ICBM with an operational range of no less than 5,500 kilometers is to replace the military’s current Satans between 2018 and 2020.

    MOSCOW, December 25 (Sputnik) – Russia will deploy its new silo-based heavy ballistic Sarmat missiles in the Orenburg Region and Krasnoyarsk Territory, Strategic Missile Forces Commander Col.Gen. Sergei Karakayev said Thursday.

    New Russian Space Anti-Ballistic Missile System On-Track for 2020: Engineer
    “This heavy rocket will be deployed in Uzhur [in the Krasnoyarsk Territory] and the village of Dombarovsky [in the Oregnburg Region],” Karakayev said.

    The 100-ton Sarmat ICBM with an operational range of no less than 5,500 kilometers (over 3,400 miles) is to replace the military’s current SS-18 Satan ICBMs between 2018 and 2020.


    This range is a ridiculous underestimate.   It's range will be at least 11,000 km.  The whole point of a large missile is that it can carry more payload and take
    it much farther.  A range of 5,500 km would make it a regional theater missile and not a real ICBM.

    Who ever writes these articles should stop with the filler.  It's inane.

    I noticed that small range figure, but it is the kind of figure that I don't even comment about (except after somone commenting about it).

    The careless journalist probably should have written 15,500 km or 16,500 km but made a journalistic mess of it.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Dec 29, 2014 9:13 am

    I suspected they were just trying to be vague... all ballistic missiles with a range of more than 5,500km are deemed ICBMs.

    For the same reason they might say that if over 6,000km flight radius classes a bomber as strategic they would say the PAK DAs flight range is more than 6,000km... in other words all they are revealing is that it is an ICBM/strategic bomber.

    This new weapon is half the weight of the SS-18 and its main role might be to carry rather more powerful warheads than other existing types can carry.


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    Post  victor1985 on Fri Jan 02, 2015 11:53 am

    i tinked to something. if the rocket wouldnt stay vertically underground (i mean bunker ones) but horizontally and at launch to be in vertical form. or maibe burried deep underground and elevated up at launch. similar could be done in case of simple rockets for defence (stationary burried missile) whit holes camouflated so they are not visible from satellite. event strategic ICMB can be positioned somewhere not whit a lot of machines that could be visible from satellite. and i think ICMBs could be separated in parts not beeing need a huge truck that could be seen from satellite and mounted at lauch. also i think at ICMB for sea self motorized and self lift from the sea at close of enemy territory. could be use an electric motor whit computer at bord and advance silence protection
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jan 03, 2015 10:52 am

    the mechanism to raise a missile from horizontal to vertical would be quite substantial and also fairly slow to operate.

    It makes rather more sense... particularly with silo based weapons to have them vertical and ready to fire.

    On trucks where driving around with them vertical is not practical then raising them for launch is necessary.

    Personally I think a super small missile with a fairly light payload would be the best solution so you cuold have 4 per truck or train carriage.

    the other option would be a nuclear powered jet engine cruise missile with a dozen small warheads so the missile could fly around for years... and strike various targets without warning over a period of years zipping around at very high speed at low level.

    Imagine WWIII and then a year after when you are starting to rebuild a mach 3 missile flying at 200m altitude zooms through and releases a 200KT nuke...


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    Post  victor1985 on Sat Jan 03, 2015 11:02 am

    well the nuclear powered missile is far from creating now. nuclear powered missile is the same whit ion thrusters? cause in ion thrusters are some achievements right now nowrld wide. the us are making vasimir rockets for space explorer. i dont know but the same tehnologies could be use to ICBMs?

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    Post  victor1985 on Sat Jan 03, 2015 11:04 am

    GarryB wrote:the mechanism to raise a missile from horizontal to vertical would be quite substantial and also fairly slow to operate.

    It makes rather more sense... particularly with silo based weapons to have them vertical and ready to fire.

    On trucks where driving around with them vertical is not practical then raising them for launch is necessary.

    Personally I think a super small missile with a fairly light payload would be the best solution so you cuold have 4 per truck or train carriage.

    the other option would be a nuclear powered jet engine cruise missile with a dozen small warheads so the missile could fly around for years... and strike various targets without warning over a period of years zipping around at very high speed at low level.

    Imagine WWIII and then a year after when you are starting to rebuild  a mach 3 missile flying at 200m altitude zooms through and releases a 200KT nuke...
    yes but the sites are more exposed to nuclear or anti bunker hits. that is why i said this. i know every missile silo is guarded but wouldnt be easier and safer to have them secure even to nukes and anti bunker?
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    Re: Strategic Missile Troops (ICBMs): Discussion & News

    Post  flamming_python on Sat Jan 03, 2015 1:39 pm

    I think missile silos will become obsolete in the future; give it 2-3 decades. The problem is that they are designed to withstand nuclear blasts in close proximity. But they are not designed, and cannot be designed - to withstand nuclear blasts dead-centre, which more accurate future ballistic missiles might be able to achieve.

    But in fact nukes aren't even needed nowadays at all for such targets - now that precision weapons and anti-bunker warheads are being mastered and the US is developing its Global Strike Doctrine, envisaging the use of a range of hypersonic precision conventional weaponry to achieve the tasks less-accurate nuclear ICBMs were reserved for in decades prior.

    We're at the level now when specialized missiles now have both the accuracy and penetration to take out nuclear-missile silos.
    What isn't present so far, is the technology to deliver such weapons to targets in Russia, past all the multiple layers of air-defenses. But it isn't hard to imagine future ICBMs with payloads of bunker-busting missiles.

    victor1985 wrote:i tinked to something. if the rocket wouldnt stay vertically underground (i mean bunker ones) but horizontally and at launch to be in vertical form. or maibe burried deep underground and elevated up at launch. similar could be done in case of simple rockets for defence (stationary burried missile) whit holes camouflated so they are not visible from satellite. event strategic ICMB can be positioned somewhere not whit a lot of machines that could be visible from satellite. and i think ICMBs could be separated in parts not beeing need a huge truck that could be seen from satellite and mounted at lauch. also i think at ICMB for sea self motorized and self lift from the sea at close of enemy territory. could be use an electric motor whit computer at bord and advance silence protection

    On the face of it a ICBM complex composed of multiple compartment-containers might sound good - until you pause to think about it a bit.

    A stationary, disguised ICBM complex will be completely vulnerable and have no defenses whatsoever, other than its camouflage. What guarantees do you have at any time, that the Americans haven't already discovered its location and have a missile of their own with its name on it? You don't, you have no way of knowing, and with the passage of time you'll have to assume that they have found out about your system; that's the fate that befalls all systems that stay in one place too long, no matter how well hidden.

    Where will you base this system? Out in the middle of nowhere? The activity/resupply/etc... will give it away. It will have to be in the proximity of some garrison or the other, so actually there's a limit as to where you can place It.

    What if you place it in an inhabited area? That way some of the activity might be disguised; but then it would be completely exposed - you would have to have guards, personnel out in the open which might ruin the subterfuge - and again it will have to be not too far from a garrison.

    Placing it as part of existing military infrastructure, in existing military bases is an option; hoping to disguise it as a military facility of another purpose; say a logistics base or some such. But then as a visible military facility, it might get targeted anyway for another reason, and besides which you can't be sure that your disguise has worked - if it hasn't than you've wasted a lot of money and effort; not that it would matter by then.

    Placing it at sea? On what, a container ship that calls to New York? The only option is to place it on a container ship that you control the routes of; say one that travels Russia's Northern Route. However, it would be completely exposed, and without any sort of outside support, like a nuclear submarine - only it's not a nuclear sub - just a set of containers. Traveling along a defined trade-route, it would be lucky to be afforded the protection of Russia's air-force; and would be otherwise defenseless and vulnerable to infiltration, take-over or destruction; although I suppose you can fit another compartmentalized weapon system on there too, and a platoon of marines.
    Ultimately the Americans might find it easier to simply destroy all Russian cargo ships they suspect might be harboring such a system, rather than try and sort through them - and there would be nothing stopping them.
    If you're going to put ICBMs at sea, you might as well put them on nuclear ICBM subs, which are superior in every respect.

    The only place such a container-ICBM system might be a good fit - is underneath a mountain in a rail tunnel. You can mount the compartments on rails, attach a diesel locomotive to enable it to get there, and then to roll in and out of the mountain to launch and then take cover respectively.
    Well done - you've just reinvented the ICBM train.

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