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    Re: Strategic Missile Troops (ICBMs): Discussion & News

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu May 22, 2014 2:58 pm

    Viktor wrote:Difference in warhead - it seems that Topol-E is modernized version of the old Topol with something mean


    It's wider width indicates that the warheads probably due in fact have their own separate rocket motors for allowing hypersonic maneuverability in it's last stage and ending the reign of the "bus" method of MIRV warhead deployment.
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    Post  Viktor on Thu May 22, 2014 3:11 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:It's wider width indicates that the warheads probably due in fact have their own separate rocket motors for allowing hypersonic maneuverability in it's last stage and ending the reign of the "bus" method of MIRV warhead deployment.

    My thoughts exactly. But see this video from 5:20 on ... LINK
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    Re: Strategic Missile Troops (ICBMs): Discussion & News

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu May 22, 2014 6:51 pm

    Viktor wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:It's wider width indicates that the warheads probably due in fact have their own separate rocket motors for allowing hypersonic maneuverability in it's last stage and ending the reign of the "bus" method of MIRV warhead deployment.

    My thoughts exactly.  But see this video from 5:20 on ... LINK

    Thanks, I've seen the vid before and it demonstrates how difficult Topol-E would be to intercept. Another way to put it is it's like RS-24 Yars married Iskander-M and had a child named Topol-E!
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    Post  Sujoy on Thu May 22, 2014 7:27 pm

    Viktor wrote:Difference in warhead - it seems that Topol-E is modernized version of the old Topol with something mean

    Viktor , isn't TOPOL a missile that is used only to test new warheads ? Or is the TOPOL deployed as well like Yars & Bulava ?

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    Post  Austin on Thu May 22, 2014 7:39 pm

    Topol-E is used to test new Warhead , Decoys , Countermeasures E stands for Experimental.

    Not to be confused with Topol SS-25 thats road mobile system deployed in 80's and still operational.
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    Post  Sujoy on Thu May 22, 2014 8:59 pm

    Austin wrote:Topol-E is used to test new Warhead , Decoys , Countermeasures E stands for Experimental.

    Not to be confused with Topol SS-25 thats road mobile system deployed in 80's and still operational.

    Got it . Thanks .
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    Post  collegeboy16 on Fri May 23, 2014 7:50 am

    old topol-M warhead looks like Bulava-M warhead. the newer one looks like Bulava-30
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    Post  navyfield on Fri May 23, 2014 5:48 pm

    that video is wow , tremendeous acceleration and quickburn of stage 1&2...
    3rd stages separation starts very early compared to other missiles (at the mouth of yenisei river) 1/4 of the way to kamchatka.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri May 23, 2014 7:43 pm

    It's truly insane how maneuverable the warheads are, like I mentioned it's like Iskander-M ballistic missiles merged with RS-24 Yars ICBM's and really deserves to be in their own category...I mean just look at the insane hypersonic maneuverability, look at the zigzagging motion happening at speeds between Mach 20 and Mach 30.

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    Post  GarryB on Sat May 24, 2014 11:43 am

    That zig zagging is not likely the missile manouvering... it is over Russia that those photos are being taken... there is no point in manouvering at that end of the trajectory... it would just waste energy and reduce speed.

    the zig zag shape is caused by a near straight flight path being broken up by high altitude wind flow.


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    Post  navyfield on Sat May 24, 2014 3:53 pm

    correction you are wrong.
    yes it is and why not ,when you test whole missile you aim at kura range...
    but you can just as easily launch just 2nd and 3rd stage (without the first),or just 3rd stage from the ground, and not the whole missile.
    you dont need to lob and waiste topols all day when smaller scale on smaller ranges is good enough.
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    Post  TR1 on Sat May 24, 2014 9:52 pm

    GarryB wrote:That zig zagging is not likely the missile manouvering... it is over Russia that those photos are being taken... there is no point in manouvering at that end of the trajectory... it would just waste energy and reduce speed.

    the zig zag shape is caused by a near straight flight path being broken up by high altitude wind flow.

    Exactly.

    I don't think it has anything to do with maneuvers whatsoever.

    What we need is a video, and I suspect it will show nothing like those sort of extreme turns.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat May 24, 2014 10:19 pm

    TR1 wrote:
    GarryB wrote:That zig zagging is not likely the missile manouvering... it is over Russia that those photos are being taken... there is no point in manouvering at that end of the trajectory... it would just waste energy and reduce speed.

    the zig zag shape is caused by a near straight flight path being broken up by high altitude wind flow.

    Exactly.

    I don't think it has anything to do with maneuvers whatsoever.

    What we need is a video, and I suspect it will show nothing like those sort of extreme turns.

    Well this was posted early in the thread by Viktor, CGI demonstrating a warhead with extreme manueverability with a blue contrail exhaust just like in the picture that I posted, demonstrated at the 5:40 mark:

    http://www.1tv.ru/news/world/259030


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    Post  TR1 on Sat May 24, 2014 10:21 pm

    CGI can be misinformation.

    :/

    The path shown in the video looks made up TBH.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat May 24, 2014 10:32 pm

    TR1 wrote:CGI can be misinformation.

    :/

    The path shown in the video looks made up TBH.

    You wanted a video didn't you? It's not likely you could capture good footage of warheads flying high at Mach 20+ speeds, even the best slow mo cameras would struggle. I'm pretty sure they actually interview scientists and engineers when they put out reports on advanced aerospace technology, if there's experts from the Moscow Institute of Thermal Technology that say otherwise than I'm open to receive such information if you would be so kind to provide it.
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    Post  TR1 on Sat May 24, 2014 10:36 pm

    No, Russian news are infamous for making laughable defense segments.

    I am sorry but I put zero stock in that CGI. You can see many photos of missile trails, and they all end up looking zigzagged to an extent.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun May 25, 2014 11:40 am

    If you use a bit of common sense and think about it for a few seconds and think about the structure and makeup of an ICBM then you will realise that of the three stages the first two fired are mostly fuel and fuel tank structure... a structure that is fairly thin and relatively weak.

    Making 90 degree flat turns in flight make little sense at the start or mid phase of the flight... in this case it is a test from one side of Russia to the other... with most of these shots likely taken near the start of the trajectory while it is still in the atmosphere... doing zigzags there would be incredibly difficult to perform as you are expecting a still very heavy vehicle that is largely fuel to perform extreme manouvers at a point where it should be accelerating to get range... and at a point in its flight where no US ABM could touch it anyway.

    Mid course it will be outside the atmosphere and of course therefore will not leave any contrail.

    In the terminal phase it will be individual reentry warheads that will fire thrusters in short bursts to adjust trajectory to evade incoming interceptors but to also keep it on target so there would not be a continuous contrail as shown in the photos.

    the contrails in the pictures appear to show a flat zigzag flight path through the air like an airliner would leave.

    The actual contrail is actually very steep and is going through multiple layers of atmosphere each with its own wind direction and speed... it is not that amazing... in that context.


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    Post  Viktor on Sun May 25, 2014 8:16 pm

    Nice read  thumbsup 

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    Post  Viktor on Tue Jun 17, 2014 3:57 pm

    Nice  thumbsup 

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    Post  Sujoy on Wed Aug 20, 2014 12:46 pm

    Russia to get new intercontinental ballistic missiles path control system


    A new trajectory measurement system for strategic missile launches is being created for Russia’s Strategic Missile Forces (RVSN), a Defense Ministry spokesman said on Wednesday.

    “The advanced system, equipped with a new radar station, is to undergo tests at the Kapustin Yar firing range (Astrakhan region in southern Russia). It will work in the unified digital system of measuring data collection and take measurements along the whole missile flight trajectory, including in the areas that have no ground control and engineering facilities,” the ministry spokesman for the RVSN Dmitry Andreyev told ITAR-TASS.

    The system will determine the flight trajectory parameters of tested intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBM).

    At present, the Kama-N radar station and equipment that uses global satellite systems’ signals take trajectory measurements at the range.

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    Post  George1 on Fri Aug 22, 2014 5:52 pm

    Russia Constructing Mobile Oxygen, Nitrogen Station – Defense Ministry

    MOSCOW, August 22 (RIA Novosti) - The Russian Strategic Missile Troops (RVSN) is creating a mobile nitrogen and oxygen production facility, Dmitry Andreyev, Defense Ministry spokesman for the RVSN, told RIA Novosti on Friday.

    “The station is a complex of interconnected equipment that … is able to operate on self-contained diesel powered units,” Andreyev said.

    According to the spokesman, the mobile station will enable the production of nitrogen and oxygen under wartime conditions in any given location. Compressed nitrogen can be used in the launch equipment of missile systems.

    The Russian Strategic Missile Troops is a branch of the Russian Armed Forces that is in control of Russia’s intercontinental ballistic missiles. The RSVN was created on December 17, 1959, and specializes in the attack of enemy nuclear weapons, military facilities and industrial infrastructure.
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    Post  George1 on Tue Aug 26, 2014 1:33 am

    About 100 arms samples to be tested at Kapustin Yar range in 2015

    MOSCOW, August 25. /ITAR-TASS/. Russia’s Defense Ministry plans to test in 2015 about 100 samples of armaments at the Kapustin Yar firing range in the Astrakhan region, the ministry spokesman for the Strategic Missile Forces (RVSN) Dmitry Andreyev said on Monday.

    “The testing will be carried out not only in the interests of the Russian Defense Ministry, but also in the interests of other Russian ministries and agencies,” he said.

    According to previous reports, more than 80 samples of armaments were planned to be tested at the range in 2014, and more than 30 armament samples were tested there in 2013.

    In 2015, the full modernisation of the range’s measuring complex and its transfer to the automatic work mode is expected. The range currently comprises four main research and test units for testing armaments and military equipment of the RVSN, air defense and Air Force, Ground Troops, the research and test centre of measurements, mathematical processing and information exchange, as well as the Sary-Shagan missile defense range in Kazakhstan. The Kapustin Yar range is planned, in particular, to be used as an experimental site for robot testing.
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:13 am

    Has there been any updates on Russia's new rail-based ICBMs??
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Wed Sep 10, 2014 8:58 pm

    Russia May Create Its Own Prompt Global Strike System: Defense Ministry
    MOSCOW, September 10 (RIA Novosti) - Russia might develop its own prompt global strike capability, but will adhere to a defensive doctrine in the development of strategic weaponry, Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov said Wednesday.

    «Russia can and will have to do it, but we will focus on the development of systems to counter these new types of weaponry because the main military doctrine of our country is of a defensive nature, and we are not planning to change it," Borisov told reporters after a government meeting on the development of the state arms procurement program for 2016-2025.
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    Post  Mike E on Wed Sep 10, 2014 10:24 pm

    Good, they should beat the US to it!

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