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    Tu-160 and Tu-95MS ( Blackjack and Bears )

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    Re: Tu-160 and Tu-95MS ( Blackjack and Bears )

    Post  TR1 on Tue Sep 25, 2012 6:19 am

    Izvestia strikes again!
    I wonder what source would refer to the Tu-22 as Backfire?
    Never seen Tu-22M carry Kh-55/SM, let alone Kh-555.
    Not to mention, Kh-555 is not an old missile as far as the inventory goes.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Sep 25, 2012 6:36 am

    I rather suspect they mean Kh-555s which will be the new conventional armed cruise missiles to use up the Kh-55 missile bodies.

    The Kh-555 has the same terminal accuracy as the Kh-101 because it uses the same guidance and navigation systems, but the Kh-555 reportedly has a range of 3,500km while the Kh-101 has a range of more than 5,500km.

    The Kh-555 is much lighter than the Kh-101 and is smaller too so it will be compatible with the internal launchers of the Bear.

    The Tu-22M3 could carry up to three Kh-22M missiles which weigh 7 tons each, and the front bomb racks they hung under the engine nacelles could carry 9 x 500kg bombs which means it could carry 4.5 tons too, so I really don't see any practical weight problem with carrying 8 Kh-555s from the wing and engine nacelle weapon pylons, with two on each pylon. Equally it should be able to carry at least 4 Onyks missiles from the same locations.

    The internal bomb bay can carry 6 missiles of the Kh-15 size or about the size of a KAB-1500 type weapon.

    I suspect a normal load would be 4 Kh-555 plus 6 1.5 ton guided bombs in the bomb bay, or 4 Onyx/Brahmos plus up to 6 1.5 ton bombs in the bomb bay, or 2 Kh-32s.

    It is an impressive aircraft that is fairly widely underrated by some.

    AFAIK it can carry 69 FAB-250s which is comparable to the load a B-52 can carry... of course it can carry it only over a shorter range, but it you reinstalled the inflight refuelling capability you can get that back.


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    Re: Tu-160 and Tu-95MS ( Blackjack and Bears )

    Post  George1 on Tue Sep 25, 2012 6:41 am

    GarryB wrote:

    I suspect a normal load would be 4 Kh-555 plus 6 1.5 ton guided bombs in the bomb bay, or 4 Onyx/Brahmos plus up to 6 1.5 ton bombs in the bomb bay, or 2 Kh-32s.


    4 Onyx difficult since it does the job with much more heavier and supersonic Kh-32.
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    Post  TR1 on Tue Sep 25, 2012 9:01 am



    Kh-101.

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    Post  Austin on Tue Sep 25, 2012 9:09 am

    So what is the range of Kh-101 , I though it was 5500-6000 km but Izevesta is quoting at 10000 km.

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    Post  TR1 on Tue Sep 25, 2012 9:16 am

    Austin wrote:So what is the range of Kh-101 , I though it was 5500-6000 km but Izevesta is quoting at 10000 km.


    Izvestia has gone full retard a while ago.
    We should make Izvestia articles a ban worthy offense Very Happy.

    Kidding, but seriously, they have zero credibility now.

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    Post  Firebird on Tue Oct 02, 2012 3:15 pm

    I was in Britain today. Overhead I heard a huge noise, reminiscent of Concorde. It sounded too deep to be a fighter jet and nothing like an airliner. When it came out of the clouds, I saw something probably 1mile up, going very fast, then turning sharply in an arc. It looked gigantic, with swept back wings,and bright white bodywork and engine trails coming from the position of the Tu-160. My suspicion is that it was just too big to be the US B1 or Russia's Tu-22.

    Is this possible? I assumed that the Tu-160 doesn't fly into Britain, except maybe for big airshows.
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    Post  SOC on Tue Oct 02, 2012 8:00 pm

    Where were you in England? Just a general area would do.
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    Post  Sujoy on Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:26 pm

    I do not visit UK on a regular basis but from the visits that I have made to the UK and based on the discussions that I have had out there , there is a slim possibility that one can spot a Russian bomber in the distant horizon from the county of Yorkshire or from Scotland . That said, they generally fly far from the UK coast .



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    Post  Firebird on Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:17 pm

    SOC wrote:Where were you in England? Just a general area would do.

    It went across South Wales East to West, then turned South across to the Bristol area.
    Everything about it suggested White Swan to me. Maybe there was some sort of airforces "cultural exchange" trip on today? (Or Britain's radar staff were all on holiday.. lol)
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:59 am

    A B-1B?

    I haven't heard the Russian AF say one of their bombers was missing... Smile

    Actually that would be interesting... the INF treaty bans intermediate range missiles that are land based, whether they are ballistic or cruise missiles.

    The thing is that an intermediate range weapon is defined in the treaty as having a flight range of 500km to 5,500km.

    If they did develop a cruise missile with a flight range of 10,000km then it could be ground based and not limited by the INF treaty...


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    Post  Austin on Sat Nov 24, 2012 5:00 am

    KH-101/102 on Tu-95MS , its got some interesting shapes even viewed from bottom.

    http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6416/154814723.6/0_7f83c_5a7056df_orig

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    Post  Austin on Sat Nov 24, 2012 6:47 am

    Is there a small possibility that a single Tu-160 could have defected with plane and crew and we might not be aware of it as it was not made public ?

    I remember the famous incident of Mig-25 defecting to Japan during cold war
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Nov 24, 2012 8:27 am

    Is there a small possibility that a single Tu-160 could have defected with plane and crew and we might not be aware of it as it was not made public ?

    Why would you ask such a silly question... whose obvious answer is no.

    Is it possible that the west might have access to detailed information about the Blackjack... yes, in fact I would say it is actually likely... when the Ukraine was cosying with the west it might have handed over all sorts of stuff, including old bits of their Tu-160s.

    Whether the US has any info on the new upgrades is questionable, but they are all very sneaky...



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    Post  TR1 on Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:56 am

    Austin wrote:Is there a small possibility that a single Tu-160 could have defected with plane and crew and we might not be aware of it as it was not made public ?

    I remember the famous incident of Mig-25 defecting to Japan during cold war

    Austin you have a few extra drinks tonight Very Happy ?

    Given how few Tu-160s there are, and what a big deal that would have been, I would say the possibility is somewhere the region zero.

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    Post  Austin on Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:57 am

    GarryB wrote:Why would you ask such a silly question... whose obvious answer is no.

    Just like that it came in my mind for a second Laughing

    TR1 no not really , would you buy one for me Razz
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    Post  TR1 on Sat Nov 24, 2012 10:01 am

    Well like Garry said, one thing we can almost be certain of, is Americans got good look @ the Blackjacks in the Ukraine.

    What happened to those birds is a disgrace btw, showed attitude Ukraine has towards its armed forces.
    US was playing its cards well, under name of "peaceful safety initiatives".


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    Post  Austin on Sat Nov 24, 2012 10:06 am

    Getting a look doesnt mean much what matters would be if they can get access to its radar , EW , Command & Control for Nuclear launch , types and combination of payload and secure communication systems etc .....the Russian would have changed that long ago.

    Its like Russians getting a look at B-2 wont mean much unless they manage to get key information inside it and in these age of software driven electronics you can change most of it on the fly

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    Post  Firebird on Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:38 pm

    Austin wrote:Is there a small possibility that a single Tu-160 could have defected with plane and crew and we might not be aware of it as it was not made public ?

    I remember the famous incident of Mig-25 defecting to Japan during cold war

    I wouldnt wonder much about my post above. The only reason I asked is that I thought "cultural exchange visits" between Britain and Russia might be more common. As I recall, the plane was white, not grey, so I was wondering about Tu 160. However, the engines were maybe quite close to the fuselage, and I'm by NO means a trained observer.

    As for America sucking up Russian technology, seems like they've done a pretty lousy job. Sure a few West Ukrainians would dearly love to scupper things, but they werent exactly successful, IMO.

    Its sad that some Tu 160s and the Ulyanovsk carrier were scrapped by childish Ukrainians. The one I wonder about is the Yak 144. How much DID they sell to America? But I actually wonder if they sold a poisoned chalice? America seems to have been cursed in its stealth work. And the Yak certainly had difficulties. Was Russia cunning and fed false information? Perhaps...
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    Post  TR1 on Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:38 pm



    Tu-160 intakes.


    If only the plant was not located outside of Russia Sad
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    Post  Werewolf on Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:43 pm

    TR1 wrote:

    Tu-160 intakes.

    If only the plant was not located outside of Russia Sad

    Very nice picture TR1.
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    Post  George1 on Thu Dec 26, 2013 3:01 am

    Russia Denies Plans to Place Strategic Bombers in Kyrgyzstan

    MOSCOW, November 26 (RIA Novosti) – Russian defense officials denied Tuesday that they plan to deploy strategic bombers at an air base in Kyrgyzstan, addressing speculation over what military analysts had seen as an effort by Moscow to project its geopolitical influence across the region.

    Some media outlets had speculated that a Russian air base in Kant, some 20 kilometers (12 miles) outside the capital Bishkek, could be used as a forward airfield for refueling and emergency maintenance of Russian Tu-95MS strategic bombers.

    A pair of Tu-95 bombers flew over the airfield in Kant on October 27 as part of celebrations marking the 10th anniversary of the base.

    “Those bombers were taking part in the aerial parade … They simply flew over the Kant air base without landing,” said Yaroslav Roshchupkin, a spokesman for Russia’s Central Military District.

    “There are no plans whatsoever to place Tu-95 aircraft at the Kant base,” Roshchupkin said.

    The Kant air base operates in the interests of the Collective Security Treaty Organization, a regional security body.

    The air base was established in October 2003, and currently hosts about 400 service personnel, as well as several Su-25 Frogfoot attack aircraft, two Mi-8 combat transport helicopters and several L-39 combat trainers.

    Viktor Sevostyanov, commander of the air force and air defense units of the Central Military District, was quoted by Russian media as saying in October that the number of combat aircraft at the base would almost double by the end of the year. Work on the enlargement of an airstrip at the base to accommodate heavy transport planes is ongoing.

    Moscow and Bishkek signed an agreement in September last year to extend the use of the Kant air base and other Russian military facilities in Kyrgyzstan until at least 2032, with possible five-year extensions.
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    Post  Viktor on Wed Apr 30, 2014 2:42 am

    Nice  thumbsup 

    "Kuznetsov" restores the production of engines NK-32 for the Tu-160
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    Post  George1 on Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:31 pm

    Russian air forces to take delivery of 10 upgraded Tu-160 bombers

    In accordance with the State Arms Program Russian Ministry of Defense will take delivery of 10 upgraded Tu-160 strategic bombers by 2020. The implementation of this program is possible thanks to resuming the production of NK-32 engines, Lenta.ru reports with reference to the Deputy Minister of Defense, Yuri Borisov.

    In February 2013 the Commander-in-Chief of Russian long-range aviation, Major General, Anatoly Zhikharev, said that the armed forces will take delivery of 10 upgraded Tu-160Ms by 2020. It was reported that the bombers will be fitted with new equipment and weapons (in particular, advanced long-range cruise missile). According to some experts, the jet’s combat effectiveness will increase at least two times. Similar work has already been completed earlier by a Kazan-based plant during overhaul of Tu-160 bombers.

    In autumn 2013 it was reported that the upgrade of Tu-160 bombers may take several years. In particular, the final configuration of the upgraded vehicle has not been approved. In addition, manufacturers of NK-32 engines have not come to terms with United Engine Corporation (UEC) in terms of financing of the project.

    In April 2014 the press-service of Samara Region reported that the Samara-based Kuznetsov Company plans to increase its production capacities and resume work on NK-93 and NK-32 projects.

    Under the State Arms Program for the period from 2011 to 2020 about 20 trillion rubles should be allocated to Russian Ministry of Defense. About 5 trillion rubles will be spent on purchasing new and upgrading existing aircraft operated by Russian air forces, along with developing, producing and purchasing new aircraft, including advanced T-50 (PAK FA) fighters. Over 1500 new and upgraded aircraft should be delivered to the Russian air forces by 2020.
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    Post  Viktor on Wed Jul 23, 2014 4:42 pm

    Nice  thumbsup 

    Tu-160 will be equipped with new engines

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