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    Re: Tu-160 and Tu-95MS ( Blackjack and Bears )

    Post  Austin on Sat Nov 24, 2012 5:47 am

    Is there a small possibility that a single Tu-160 could have defected with plane and crew and we might not be aware of it as it was not made public ?

    I remember the famous incident of Mig-25 defecting to Japan during cold war

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Nov 24, 2012 7:27 am

    Is there a small possibility that a single Tu-160 could have defected with plane and crew and we might not be aware of it as it was not made public ?

    Why would you ask such a silly question... whose obvious answer is no.

    Is it possible that the west might have access to detailed information about the Blackjack... yes, in fact I would say it is actually likely... when the Ukraine was cosying with the west it might have handed over all sorts of stuff, including old bits of their Tu-160s.

    Whether the US has any info on the new upgrades is questionable, but they are all very sneaky...



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    Post  TR1 on Sat Nov 24, 2012 8:56 am

    Austin wrote:Is there a small possibility that a single Tu-160 could have defected with plane and crew and we might not be aware of it as it was not made public ?

    I remember the famous incident of Mig-25 defecting to Japan during cold war

    Austin you have a few extra drinks tonight Very Happy ?

    Given how few Tu-160s there are, and what a big deal that would have been, I would say the possibility is somewhere the region zero.

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    Post  Austin on Sat Nov 24, 2012 8:57 am

    GarryB wrote:Why would you ask such a silly question... whose obvious answer is no.

    Just like that it came in my mind for a second Laughing

    TR1 no not really , would you buy one for me Razz

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    Post  TR1 on Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:01 am

    Well like Garry said, one thing we can almost be certain of, is Americans got good look @ the Blackjacks in the Ukraine.

    What happened to those birds is a disgrace btw, showed attitude Ukraine has towards its armed forces.
    US was playing its cards well, under name of "peaceful safety initiatives".


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    Post  Austin on Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:06 am

    Getting a look doesnt mean much what matters would be if they can get access to its radar , EW , Command & Control for Nuclear launch , types and combination of payload and secure communication systems etc .....the Russian would have changed that long ago.

    Its like Russians getting a look at B-2 wont mean much unless they manage to get key information inside it and in these age of software driven electronics you can change most of it on the fly

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    Post  Firebird on Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:38 pm

    Austin wrote:Is there a small possibility that a single Tu-160 could have defected with plane and crew and we might not be aware of it as it was not made public ?

    I remember the famous incident of Mig-25 defecting to Japan during cold war

    I wouldnt wonder much about my post above. The only reason I asked is that I thought "cultural exchange visits" between Britain and Russia might be more common. As I recall, the plane was white, not grey, so I was wondering about Tu 160. However, the engines were maybe quite close to the fuselage, and I'm by NO means a trained observer.

    As for America sucking up Russian technology, seems like they've done a pretty lousy job. Sure a few West Ukrainians would dearly love to scupper things, but they werent exactly successful, IMO.

    Its sad that some Tu 160s and the Ulyanovsk carrier were scrapped by childish Ukrainians. The one I wonder about is the Yak 144. How much DID they sell to America? But I actually wonder if they sold a poisoned chalice? America seems to have been cursed in its stealth work. And the Yak certainly had difficulties. Was Russia cunning and fed false information? Perhaps...

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    Post  TR1 on Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:38 pm



    Tu-160 intakes.


    If only the plant was not located outside of Russia Sad

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    Post  Werewolf on Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:43 pm

    TR1 wrote:

    Tu-160 intakes.

    If only the plant was not located outside of Russia Sad

    Very nice picture TR1.

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    Post  George1 on Thu Dec 26, 2013 2:01 am

    Russia Denies Plans to Place Strategic Bombers in Kyrgyzstan

    MOSCOW, November 26 (RIA Novosti) – Russian defense officials denied Tuesday that they plan to deploy strategic bombers at an air base in Kyrgyzstan, addressing speculation over what military analysts had seen as an effort by Moscow to project its geopolitical influence across the region.

    Some media outlets had speculated that a Russian air base in Kant, some 20 kilometers (12 miles) outside the capital Bishkek, could be used as a forward airfield for refueling and emergency maintenance of Russian Tu-95MS strategic bombers.

    A pair of Tu-95 bombers flew over the airfield in Kant on October 27 as part of celebrations marking the 10th anniversary of the base.

    “Those bombers were taking part in the aerial parade … They simply flew over the Kant air base without landing,” said Yaroslav Roshchupkin, a spokesman for Russia’s Central Military District.

    “There are no plans whatsoever to place Tu-95 aircraft at the Kant base,” Roshchupkin said.

    The Kant air base operates in the interests of the Collective Security Treaty Organization, a regional security body.

    The air base was established in October 2003, and currently hosts about 400 service personnel, as well as several Su-25 Frogfoot attack aircraft, two Mi-8 combat transport helicopters and several L-39 combat trainers.

    Viktor Sevostyanov, commander of the air force and air defense units of the Central Military District, was quoted by Russian media as saying in October that the number of combat aircraft at the base would almost double by the end of the year. Work on the enlargement of an airstrip at the base to accommodate heavy transport planes is ongoing.

    Moscow and Bishkek signed an agreement in September last year to extend the use of the Kant air base and other Russian military facilities in Kyrgyzstan until at least 2032, with possible five-year extensions.

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    Post  Viktor on Mon Mar 31, 2014 2:05 pm

    Implications of placing Tu-22M3/Kh-32 combo on Crimea peninsula and interesting info about Kh-32

    In development is the Kh-32, which is expected to be able to hit targets at distances up to 1000 km with great accuracy. By 2020, 30 Tu-22M3 must be upgraded to version Tu-22M3M and it will be armed with these missiles.

    Accommodation Tu-22M3 in the Crimea - a severe blow to Putin's European missile defense system



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    Post  diabetus on Mon Apr 21, 2014 6:40 pm

    Viktor wrote:Implications of placing Tu-22M3/Kh-32 combo on Crimea peninsula and interesting info about Kh-32

    In development is the Kh-32, which is expected to be able to hit targets at distances up to 1000 km with great accuracy. By 2020, 30 Tu-22M3 must be upgraded to version Tu-22M3M and it will be armed with these missiles.





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    Post  Viktor on Wed Apr 30, 2014 1:42 am

    Nice  thumbsup 

    "Kuznetsov" restores the production of engines NK-32 for the Tu-160

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    Post  George1 on Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:31 pm

    Russian air forces to take delivery of 10 upgraded Tu-160 bombers

    In accordance with the State Arms Program Russian Ministry of Defense will take delivery of 10 upgraded Tu-160 strategic bombers by 2020. The implementation of this program is possible thanks to resuming the production of NK-32 engines, Lenta.ru reports with reference to the Deputy Minister of Defense, Yuri Borisov.

    In February 2013 the Commander-in-Chief of Russian long-range aviation, Major General, Anatoly Zhikharev, said that the armed forces will take delivery of 10 upgraded Tu-160Ms by 2020. It was reported that the bombers will be fitted with new equipment and weapons (in particular, advanced long-range cruise missile). According to some experts, the jet’s combat effectiveness will increase at least two times. Similar work has already been completed earlier by a Kazan-based plant during overhaul of Tu-160 bombers.

    In autumn 2013 it was reported that the upgrade of Tu-160 bombers may take several years. In particular, the final configuration of the upgraded vehicle has not been approved. In addition, manufacturers of NK-32 engines have not come to terms with United Engine Corporation (UEC) in terms of financing of the project.

    In April 2014 the press-service of Samara Region reported that the Samara-based Kuznetsov Company plans to increase its production capacities and resume work on NK-93 and NK-32 projects.

    Under the State Arms Program for the period from 2011 to 2020 about 20 trillion rubles should be allocated to Russian Ministry of Defense. About 5 trillion rubles will be spent on purchasing new and upgrading existing aircraft operated by Russian air forces, along with developing, producing and purchasing new aircraft, including advanced T-50 (PAK FA) fighters. Over 1500 new and upgraded aircraft should be delivered to the Russian air forces by 2020.

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    Post  Viktor on Wed Jul 23, 2014 3:42 pm

    Nice  thumbsup 

    Tu-160 will be equipped with new engines

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    Post  George1 on Fri Oct 31, 2014 1:03 pm

    Are Russian Bombers Flying Nuclear Drills Near Europe—Or Just Testing NATO’s Defenses?

    Nuclear-capable Russian bombers are flying over the North Sea and the Atlantic. And U.S. Air Force officers are very concerned at what could be a rehearsal of a deadly mission.

    Russian bombers may be flying nuclear strike drills over the Atlantic Ocean and North Sea, current and former U.S. Air Force officers believe. At the very least, these officers tell The Daily Beast, the Russian Air Force is aggressively probing what NATO calls European airspace in an effort to gauge the reaction times of the western alliance’s defenses.

    Since Oct. 28, NATO air defenses have detected and monitored four groups of Russian combat aircraft over the Baltic Sea, North Sea, Atlantic Ocean, and Black Sea. Norwegian F-16 fighters intercepted one particular group of Russian aircraft on Oct. 29 that included four, nuclear-capable Tupolev Tu-95 Bear H strategic bombers and four Ilyushin Il-78 aerial refueling tankers. Once intercepted, six of the Russian aircraft headed for home while the two remaining Tu-95 bombers continued southwest, parallel to the Norwegian coast, before eventually turning back towards Russia.

    The giant, propeller-driven Tu-95 is a launch platform for the 1,600 nautical mile range Raduga Kh-55 nuclear-tipped cruise missile. The weapon carries a 200-kiloton nuclear warhead; by comparison, the bomb that destroyed Nagasaki was a mere 21 kilotons. Some active-duty and retired U.S. Air Force officials told The Daily Beast that the Tu-95s might have been flying to certain predetermined launch points for their nuclear missiles.

    “That could certainly be the case,” said retired Air Force Lt. Gen. David Deptula, the service’s influential former intelligence chief. “It is not farfetched that at some point within the next two years [Russian President Vladimir] Putin makes a more aggressive move in Eastern Europe and uses a nuclear threat to deter a NATO response.”

    Of course, every nuclear capable air force runs exercises to practice its so-called “strategic deterrence.” It’s the pace and scale of these current flights that have military observers concerned.

    “Our bomber crews regularly fly training sorties for their full range of potential missions, including strategic deterrence practice missions,” Mark Gunzinger, a former B-52 pilot and current air power analyst the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, said. “[The Russian Air Force] has never stopped flying training sorties, but it’s apparent that the scope of this one is catching people’s attention.”

    Asked if at least some of these flights were nuclear drills, Gunzinger responded, “that is probably the case.”

    The giant, propeller-driven Tu-95 is a launch platform for the Raduga Kh-55 nuclear-tipped cruise missile, which carries a 200-kiloton nuclear warhead. By comparison, the bomb that destroyed Nagasaki was a mere 21 kilotons.

    Another former Air Force officer—one with extensive experience with Russian tactics—cautioned not to interpret either the European or Alaskan flights too darkly. “A probe to test western responses, yes,” the former officer wrote in an email. “More activity than in the recent past, yes. Nuclear strike rehearsal, unlikely. Capabilities are easy to measure. Intent is not.”

    Analyst Rebecca Grant, president of IRIS Independent Research, said that the recent display of Russian air power was just another provocation in a long line of similar antagonistic moves by Russia. The Russian strategic bomber foray into the Atlantic is also reminiscent of a September incident where two nuclear-capable Tu-95s bombers, two Il-78 tankers and two MiG-31 Foxhound fighters were intercepted near Alaska.

    “This reminds me of the exercises Russia has been flying in the Pacific for a few years now, just transferred to the European theater,” Grant said. “I don’t read this as a specific nuclear or conventional scenario practice, rather an exercise in long-range navigation and provocation. It’s clearly designed to annoy NATO but from a purely tactical perspective, this was still a pretty small display of airpower.”

    Another former Air Force F-4G and F-15E electronic warfare officer said that there simply is not enough information to be certain of what the Russians’ intentions are. “It could be anything,” said Michael Pietrucha. “There’s nothing wrong with long range training sorties because they allow you to work out the kinks for a variety of missions.”

    Nonetheless, the foray into European airspace by the Tu-95 Bear bombers is cause for concern. That’s not just because of the Bear bomber’s long-range nuclear weapons capability, but also because of the Russian’s general disregard for international air traffic norms. Not only did the Russians not file a proper flight plan, they also did not have active transponders—which would allow civilian air traffic controllers to see them. The situation could lead to a serious accident where an airliner might collide with a Russian bomber.

    “It’s alarming, especially, that they would fly without their transponder on particularly when they’re certain to fly on or cross an a multitude of international air routes,” one Air Force bomber pilot told the Daily Beast. “The interrogative capability of most modern airline and transport carrier transponders rely on the transmission of other transponders to ensure positive deconfliction.”

    The airspace over the Atlantic is especially busy with a lot of airliner traffic. The U.S. bomber pilot acknowledged that the U.S. Air Force also conducts long-range bomber patrols, but American aircraft always follow proper flight procedures and other regulations.

    “I’ve flown on the west of Portugal, it was a busy place to fly because a lot of air routes funnel into the Med [Mediterranean] there,” the bomber pilot said. “The U.S. does what are called ‘global power’ missions on occasion, but never without squawking, or talking, or filing flight plans, and we rarely seek to draw an escort.”

    In addition to the strategic bomber patrols in the Atlantic, the Russian Air Force also flew another bomber mission over the Black Sea on Oct. 29 with two Tu-95 Bears, which were escorted by two Sukhoi Su-27 air superiority fighters.

    The Russian Air Force also flew additional sorties over the Baltic Sea with tactical strike fighters on Oct. 29. Portuguese F-16 fighters assigned to protect the Baltic states—which belong to NATO—intercepted a group of two MiG-31 interceptors, one Su-27 fighter and two pairs of Su-34 and Su-24 fighter bombers. The same group of Russian jets was intercepted on the previous day.

    No matter what the intent of the specific flight, the larger goal—a re-introduction of Russian military might into Europe—is clearly working, a senior U.S. military officer told The Daily Beast.

    “It certainly demonstrates their effort to re-assert themselves in the region and regain their past form,” this official added. “It appears to be successful, certainly from the standpoint that Russian airpower has re-entered the conversation and our NATO allies have had to respond to their incursions. It strikes me as destabilizing.”

    The U.S. Air Force would not officially comment on the matter and deferred all queries to the Office of the Secretary of Defense. The Pentagon did not return calls for comment.

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    Re: Tu-160 and Tu-95MS ( Blackjack and Bears )

    Post  Big_Gazza on Fri Oct 31, 2014 5:08 pm

    George1 wrote:Are Russian Bombers Flying Nuclear Drills Near Europe—Or Just Testing NATO’s Defenses?

    aggressively... provocation... antagonistic.... destabilizing....

    /yawn... Do the bought-and-paid presstitute trolls of the Anglo-Amerikan Reich-Wing media ever tire when writing this biased one-eyed trash? Mad

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Nov 01, 2014 10:10 am

    Yeah... Tu-95s running training missions in international airspace are aggressive, but US M1 Abrams tanks in the baltic states... formerly part of the Soviet Union itself is defensive... Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes


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    Post  George1 on Wed Nov 19, 2014 12:31 pm

    Upgraded bomber Tu-160 made its maiden flight

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    Post  George1 on Sat Nov 22, 2014 12:22 pm

    Upgraded Tu-160 to Be Called “Andrei Tupolev”

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Nov 23, 2014 6:05 am

    Putin wants Eastern Europe back like he wants a hernia.

    Russia and eastern europe have a long history together and not a lot of it was sunshine and roses, but right now eastern europe seems to be blaming Russia for all their problems... Russia does not need that... let the EU deal with them.

    Good to hear the Blackjacks are getting their upgrades...


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    Post  Dorfmeister on Sun Nov 23, 2014 12:12 pm

    GarryB wrote:Good to hear the Blackjacks are getting their upgrades...

    Do we know more about the upgrade? New LCD displays? Radar improvement? New ECM equipment?

    Thanks Wink

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    Post  GarryB on Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:50 am

    AFAIK this is basically a fairly comprehensive upgrade with new radar and electronics and cockpit displays and new unified weapons system including precision air to ground weapons plus an increase in bomb load to 45 tons for the Blackjack.

    the new weapons and radar are standardised amongst the Tupolev bombers... ie Backfire, Bear, Blackjack.


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    Post  George1 on Thu Dec 04, 2014 8:39 pm

    Russian Defense Ministry will receive the initial batch production of upgraded engines NK-32 to re-engine strategic bomber Tu-160 at the end of 2016.

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    Post  George1 on Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:24 pm

    The first modernized Tu-160

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