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    Isos

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    Re: Tu-160 and Tu-95MS ( Blackjack and Bears )

    Post  Isos on Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:38 am


    As i said A-60 project was funded abit https://theaviationist.com/tag/beriev-a-60/

    They had during soviet time a ground based laser that I forget the name with which they tried to blind US satelites. But it wasn't precise and they failed. An airborn version would be worse and even US stoped their own program.

    A land version should be easier to design and operate.

    Same for anti satelites missile, it should be easier to use S-500 for that with a special missile with a big booster to replace the fighter task of lunching it from altitude.
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    Re: Tu-160 and Tu-95MS ( Blackjack and Bears )

    Post  Big_Gazza on Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:38 pm

    Isos wrote:Destroying a satelite is dangerous for the other satelites too, so for your own satelites because of all the small pieces produced by the explosion. They should invest in laser technology to burn the optics and electronics.

    Ground-based directed energy weapons would inevitably be lasers, and beam divergence issues will greatly restrict beam power on target. A simple satellite countermeasure against laser attack on optics & sensors is to fit them with shutters activated by laser energy detectors. Sensors won't be blinded within the reaction time of the laser detector-shutter combo. Sensors and camera optics could also be concealed behind optical deflectors such that optical path is usually diverted to a laser energy detector, and the path is only opened to the sensor when laser energy is absent. Path is left open only as long as needed. In peace time, the path can be left open by default so that surveillance is continuous, but in times of tension/crisis the countermeasures could be activated and sensors only revealed when safe and as needed for snapshots.

    Clearly this doesn't work for missile EW birds that need to be active continuously, but since they sit in high geosynch orbit, there is no way a ground based laser could focus sufficient beam power to effectively attack them, and any effort at blinding them would be interpreted as a prelude to thermonuclear exchange, making such an attack a REALLY stupid idea.

    Star Trek solutions aren't the way to go, instead concentrate on using kinetic energy to decrease the birds "structural integrity".... attack
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:02 am

    Over time lasers are becoming more powerful and more capable and cheaper, but of course it will be a while before they are actually anything close to being called cheap.

    Telescopes for looking at stars have deformable mirrors to compensate for the atmosphere to give a clear view of space from the ground and the same technique could be used for lasers too.


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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:05 am

    GarryB wrote:Over time lasers are becoming more powerful and more capable and cheaper, but of course it will be a while before they are actually anything close to being called cheap.


    Till then pretty interesting is microwave application to "cook" electronics.

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    Post  Peŕrier on Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:09 am

    miketheterrible wrote:Wasn't Tu-22M supposed to fill that position as ASAT? It meets I think all the parameters.

    Mig-25D, and the F-15 / ASM-135 combo on the US side, were expected to climb almost vertically before launching their interceptors.

    Maybe todays rocket propulsion technology could make a shallow climb launch feasible, otherwise no bombers could ever deploy those kind of interceptors, just because it lacks the ability to climb very steeply at high altitudes.

    Anyway, I would be very skeptical of any bomber deployed for such kind of missions.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:56 pm

    Mig-25D, and the F-15 / ASM-135 combo on the US side, were expected to climb almost vertically before launching their interceptors.

    They certainly zoom climbed, but nothing like a vertical climb... that would be engine power only climbs... a steep but non vertical climb would allow greater height and speed... a vertical climb would mean at their highest point they had stopped moving and were about to start falling, whereas a parabolic climb means they retain relatively high speed and also gain extra altitude over what they could manage in level flight.


    Maybe todays rocket propulsion technology could make a shallow climb launch feasible, otherwise no bombers could ever deploy those kind of interceptors, just because it lacks the ability to climb very steeply at high altitudes.

    The purpose of launching from an aircraft is to avoid the thickest lowest part of the atmosphere and to give it a boost in speed by having it already climbing when it is launched instead of a launch pad launch where it is stationary and has to overcome its own momentum and then travel through the thickest part of the atmosphere.

    I have seen launch proposals where an An-124 or An-225 fly at 10,000m at obviously subsonic speed and roll a large rocket out the back on a parachute with a metal structure around it to prevent it snapping in half under its own weight... the structure falls away and the main rocket fires and it therefore starts out going backwards but its rocket overcomes gravity and carries it off up into space... not exactly ideal but you could launch it at the equator and get a boost from the earth rotation to reach higher orbits...

    Anyway, I would be very skeptical of any bomber deployed for such kind of missions.

    I have never seen this Tu-22M launch aircraft but the B-52 is used for the X-15 rocket plane, and there were proposals for the Tu-95 to do something similar in the 1990s with hypersonic test aircraft. The Tu-160 was suggested as a space launcher but their were simply not enough of them for the bomber role let alone any other role.


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    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:51 pm

    Could it be possible for the Tu-160 and the Tu-22M3 to launch to the kinzhal?
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:55 pm

    I would not say possible... I would say likely.

    Plus other weapons like the Kh-32.

    The only new missile they probably wont carry is that nuclear powered cruise missile... because they can be kept under max security and launched from within Russia when needed...



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    Post  George1 on Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:13 pm

    Russia to renew Tu-160 strategic bomber fleet by 2030

    The new Tu-160 will be less visible than its predecessor

    SAMARA, March 21. /TASS/. The entire fleet of Tupolev Tu-160 supersonic strategic missile-carrying bombers with new weapons is expected to be renewed by 2030, Russian Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov said on Wednesday.

    "We are going to purchase the entire fleet of our strategic Tu-160 bombers in their new version and carry out heavy upgrade of operational aircraft where only the fuselage will remain while all the onboard radio-electronic equipment and engines will be replaced. That is why, we will get the renewed fleet of strategic aircraft somewhere by 2030," Borisov said during his visit to the Samara-based Kuznetsov Enterprise, which produces engines for long-range aviation.

    According to the deputy defense minister, the new Tu-160 will be less visible than its predecessor "due to special coatings."

    "Alongside, we are developing new airborne weapons, and you can’t compare the Tu-160 plane with the Kh-55, Kh-550 and even Kh-101 missiles and the plane, which we hope to get serial-produced by the 2030s with new airborne weapons that will have quite different ranges," Borisov said.

    The Tu-160 is the biggest plane with a variable-sweep wing and one of the most powerful combat aircraft in the world. In 2015, a decision was announced to restart the production of the strategic bomber at the Kazan Aviation Enterprise. On November 16, 2017, the new plane was delivered from the final assembly workshop to the flight testing station. Thanks to its upgrade, the efficiency of the Tu-160 bomber is expected to increase by 60%


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    Russia to increase flight range of upgraded Tu-160 bomber


    The efficiency of the Tu-160 bomber is thus expected to increase by 60%

    SAMARA, March 21. /TASS/. The efficiency of the new engine for the upgraded Tupolev Tu-160 missile-carrying bomber will be increased by about 10%, which will allow the aircraft to fly a thousand kilometers farther, Russian Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov said on Wednesday.

    As part of a check of state defense plan fulfillment, Borisov visited the Samara-based Kuznetsov Company, which is a leading Russian enterprise for developing, producing, providing maintenance for and repairing gas turbine aviation and liquid-propellant rocket engines, and also gas turbine installations for use in the gas sector and power engineering.

    The enterprise repairs engines for long-range aircraft - the Tu-160 (NK-32), the Tu-95 (NK-25) and the Tu-22M3 (NK-12) and is creating a new version of the NK-32 engine for the upgraded Tu-160M2 supersonic strategic missile-carrying bomber.

    "In its upgraded version, it [the engine] will be 10% more efficient, which will make it possible to increase the flight range of the strategic bomber by about 1,000 km," Borisov said during his visit to the Kuznetsov Enterprise.

    As the defense official noted, in 2014 the Samara-based Kuznetsov Enterprise was set the task to reproduce the engine and improve its characteristics.

    "We are holding jointly with the Industry and Trade Ministry a regular meeting of the inter-departmental commission, which oversees the pace of work on the upgrade of the Tu-160. The work is proceeding, by and large, according to schedule so far. As for the engine, this is the basic unit, which will determine the performance characteristics of the new plane," the deputy defense minister said.

    The Tu-160 is the biggest plane with a variable-sweep wing and one of the most powerful combat aircraft in the world. In 2015, a decision was announced to restart the production of the strategic bomber at the Kazan Aviation Enterprise. On November 16, 2017, the new plane was delivered from the final assembly workshop to the flight testing station. Thanks to its upgrade, the efficiency of the Tu-160 bomber is expected to increase by 60%

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    http://tass.com/defense/995424


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    Re: Tu-160 and Tu-95MS ( Blackjack and Bears )

    Post  George1 on Sun Apr 08, 2018 6:07 am

    Tupolev presented "unified information environment for design, production & after-sales service" for T-160.Apparently 1st such system created in domestic aircraft industry.

    https://uacrussia.livejournal.com/76085.html


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    Re: Tu-160 and Tu-95MS ( Blackjack and Bears )

    Post  dino00 on Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:11 am

    How many kh-101/102 missiles can tu 160 m2 launch?

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    Re: Tu-160 and Tu-95MS ( Blackjack and Bears )

    Post  Hole on Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:26 am

    12. 6 per rotary launcher in 2 bomb bays.

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