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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:05 pm

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    Post  Peŕrier on Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:09 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Wasn't Tu-22M supposed to fill that position as ASAT? It meets I think all the parameters.

    Mig-25D, and the F-15 / ASM-135 combo on the US side, were expected to climb almost vertically before launching their interceptors.

    Maybe todays rocket propulsion technology could make a shallow climb launch feasible, otherwise no bombers could ever deploy those kind of interceptors, just because it lacks the ability to climb very steeply at high altitudes.

    Anyway, I would be very skeptical of any bomber deployed for such kind of missions.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:56 am

    Mig-25D, and the F-15 / ASM-135 combo on the US side, were expected to climb almost vertically before launching their interceptors.

    They certainly zoom climbed, but nothing like a vertical climb... that would be engine power only climbs... a steep but non vertical climb would allow greater height and speed... a vertical climb would mean at their highest point they had stopped moving and were about to start falling, whereas a parabolic climb means they retain relatively high speed and also gain extra altitude over what they could manage in level flight.


    Maybe todays rocket propulsion technology could make a shallow climb launch feasible, otherwise no bombers could ever deploy those kind of interceptors, just because it lacks the ability to climb very steeply at high altitudes.

    The purpose of launching from an aircraft is to avoid the thickest lowest part of the atmosphere and to give it a boost in speed by having it already climbing when it is launched instead of a launch pad launch where it is stationary and has to overcome its own momentum and then travel through the thickest part of the atmosphere.

    I have seen launch proposals where an An-124 or An-225 fly at 10,000m at obviously subsonic speed and roll a large rocket out the back on a parachute with a metal structure around it to prevent it snapping in half under its own weight... the structure falls away and the main rocket fires and it therefore starts out going backwards but its rocket overcomes gravity and carries it off up into space... not exactly ideal but you could launch it at the equator and get a boost from the earth rotation to reach higher orbits...

    Anyway, I would be very skeptical of any bomber deployed for such kind of missions.

    I have never seen this Tu-22M launch aircraft but the B-52 is used for the X-15 rocket plane, and there were proposals for the Tu-95 to do something similar in the 1990s with hypersonic test aircraft. The Tu-160 was suggested as a space launcher but their were simply not enough of them for the bomber role let alone any other role.
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:51 am

    Could it be possible for the Tu-160 and the Tu-22M3 to launch to the kinzhal?
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:55 am

    I would not say possible... I would say likely.

    Plus other weapons like the Kh-32.

    The only new missile they probably wont carry is that nuclear powered cruise missile... because they can be kept under max security and launched from within Russia when needed...

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    Post  George1 on Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:13 am

    Russia to renew Tu-160 strategic bomber fleet by 2030

    The new Tu-160 will be less visible than its predecessor

    SAMARA, March 21. /TASS/. The entire fleet of Tupolev Tu-160 supersonic strategic missile-carrying bombers with new weapons is expected to be renewed by 2030, Russian Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov said on Wednesday.

    "We are going to purchase the entire fleet of our strategic Tu-160 bombers in their new version and carry out heavy upgrade of operational aircraft where only the fuselage will remain while all the onboard radio-electronic equipment and engines will be replaced. That is why, we will get the renewed fleet of strategic aircraft somewhere by 2030," Borisov said during his visit to the Samara-based Kuznetsov Enterprise, which produces engines for long-range aviation.

    According to the deputy defense minister, the new Tu-160 will be less visible than its predecessor "due to special coatings."

    "Alongside, we are developing new airborne weapons, and you can’t compare the Tu-160 plane with the Kh-55, Kh-550 and even Kh-101 missiles and the plane, which we hope to get serial-produced by the 2030s with new airborne weapons that will have quite different ranges," Borisov said.

    The Tu-160 is the biggest plane with a variable-sweep wing and one of the most powerful combat aircraft in the world. In 2015, a decision was announced to restart the production of the strategic bomber at the Kazan Aviation Enterprise. On November 16, 2017, the new plane was delivered from the final assembly workshop to the flight testing station. Thanks to its upgrade, the efficiency of the Tu-160 bomber is expected to increase by 60%


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    Russia to increase flight range of upgraded Tu-160 bomber


    The efficiency of the Tu-160 bomber is thus expected to increase by 60%

    SAMARA, March 21. /TASS/. The efficiency of the new engine for the upgraded Tupolev Tu-160 missile-carrying bomber will be increased by about 10%, which will allow the aircraft to fly a thousand kilometers farther, Russian Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov said on Wednesday.

    As part of a check of state defense plan fulfillment, Borisov visited the Samara-based Kuznetsov Company, which is a leading Russian enterprise for developing, producing, providing maintenance for and repairing gas turbine aviation and liquid-propellant rocket engines, and also gas turbine installations for use in the gas sector and power engineering.

    The enterprise repairs engines for long-range aircraft - the Tu-160 (NK-32), the Tu-95 (NK-25) and the Tu-22M3 (NK-12) and is creating a new version of the NK-32 engine for the upgraded Tu-160M2 supersonic strategic missile-carrying bomber.

    "In its upgraded version, it [the engine] will be 10% more efficient, which will make it possible to increase the flight range of the strategic bomber by about 1,000 km," Borisov said during his visit to the Kuznetsov Enterprise.

    As the defense official noted, in 2014 the Samara-based Kuznetsov Enterprise was set the task to reproduce the engine and improve its characteristics.

    "We are holding jointly with the Industry and Trade Ministry a regular meeting of the inter-departmental commission, which oversees the pace of work on the upgrade of the Tu-160. The work is proceeding, by and large, according to schedule so far. As for the engine, this is the basic unit, which will determine the performance characteristics of the new plane," the deputy defense minister said.

    The Tu-160 is the biggest plane with a variable-sweep wing and one of the most powerful combat aircraft in the world. In 2015, a decision was announced to restart the production of the strategic bomber at the Kazan Aviation Enterprise. On November 16, 2017, the new plane was delivered from the final assembly workshop to the flight testing station. Thanks to its upgrade, the efficiency of the Tu-160 bomber is expected to increase by 60%

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    Re: Tu-160 and Tu-95MS ( Blackjack and Bears )

    Post  George1 on Sat Apr 07, 2018 10:07 pm

    Tupolev presented "unified information environment for design, production & after-sales service" for T-160.Apparently 1st such system created in domestic aircraft industry.

    https://uacrussia.livejournal.com/76085.html
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    Post  dino00 on Wed Apr 11, 2018 5:11 pm

    How many kh-101/102 missiles can tu 160 m2 launch?
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    Post  Hole on Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:26 pm

    12. 6 per rotary launcher in 2 bomb bays.
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    Post  LMFS on Fri Apr 20, 2018 3:23 pm

    Work on the first Tu-160M2 has started:

    https://vz.ru/news/2018/4/19/918556.html

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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed May 02, 2018 3:42 pm


    Red paintjob just in case someone doesn't get the hint Cool

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    Re: Tu-160 and Tu-95MS ( Blackjack and Bears )

    Post  George1 on Mon May 07, 2018 3:27 am

    A new scheme for painting the strategic bombers Tu-160

    According to unofficial reports and photos of spotters, the Long-range Aviation of the Russian Air Force began to introduce a new scheme for painting its Tu-160 strategic bombers. A yellow-blue stylized "feathered" image in the colors of the USSR Air Force flag is painted in the nose of the aircraft, and the individual proper name of each aircraft is written in a simplified type (not Slavic) and smaller. The color of the keel was removed in the colors of the Russian flag (on the planes where it was), and the inscription on the keel of the "Air Force of Russia" was replaced by "VKS RUSSIA".



    The strategic bomber Tu-160 (the name "Vasily Reshetnikov", the onboard number "02 red", registration number RF-94102, serial number 07-02) of the Russian aerospace industry in the new color scheme. Shaykovka, May 6, 2018 (with) Alexey Karpulyov / russianplanes.net (link)



    Repainting of Tu-160 in the new painting scheme is carried out in the paint shop of the Kazan Aviation Plant (branch of PJSC "Tupolev"). At present, at least four Tu-160 airplanes have been reliably used in the air of the Victory Parade in Moscow, including the Vasily Reshetnikov board (02 red, serial number 07-02), the " Nikolay Kuznetsov (board number 10 red, serial number 06-01), Valery Chkalov (board number 17 red, serial number 05-04), but all 16 Tu-160 bombers of the VKS will receive a new coloring.

    According to some statements, the former "yellow-blue" color of the nose of the Tu-160 is now recognized as bearing unwanted connotations, which was the main reason for the introduction of the new "liveries." Nevertheless, the general departure from the lurid parrot coloration of the Tu-160 to more strict is welcome.





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    Post  LMFS on Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:25 pm

    The first deliveries of HK-32-02 engines for the Tu-160M2 rocket carrier are expected until the end of the year
    @AviaRu | 679 is published 6/3/2018 |

    The United Engine Corporation will deliver to the Ministry of Defence the first batch of new NK-32 engines of the second series this year, Interfax-AVN with reference to the source in UEC reports. Thus, the prototype of the strategic Tu-160 rocket carrier of new generation can appear already in the nearest future.

    According to the representative of UEC, now at machine-building enterprise of "Smiths" bench tests of prototypes of HK-32-02 are carried out. These tests besides development of the engine for the strategic Tu-160M2 bomber are necessary also for definition of readiness of the company for start of mass production. The plant's management plans to increase gradually capacities that by 2020th year the new engine became the basic in the production nomenclature of Kuznetsov.

    The interlocutor of the agency has also noted that the modernized gas generator of NK-32 will serve as the basic unit for development of the whole family of new power plants. It, most likely, is connected with the project of a supersonic passenger airliner which will be created on the basis of Tu-160.

    Construction of the first rocket carrier from the Tu-160M2 series has already begun, it in April was declared by the CEO of Tupolev Alexander Konyukhov. Then the head of aviacomplex has noted that it is not about simple modernization, and about creation of absolutely new plane with "a fresh glider" and advanced engines which will be able to provide big flying range. Besides, on a new "White swan" the special covering which is designed to reduce radar visibility of the strategic rocket carrier will be used. And, naturally, on Tu-160M2 new onboard electronics will appear.

    According to the Deputy Minister of Defence Yury Borisov, especially for Tu-160M2 new aviation weapons of destruction which will surpass such rockets as H-55, H-555 and H-101 in the power and range are developed.

    http://aviation21.ru/pervye-postavki-dvigatelej-nk-32-02-dlya-raketonosca-tu-160m2-ozhidayutsya-do-konca-goda/
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    Re: Tu-160 and Tu-95MS ( Blackjack and Bears )

    Post  George1 on Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:33 am

    The contract for the creation of a deeply modernized strategic bomber Tu-95MSM

    As reported on August 13, 2018 by the agency Interfax, PJSC Tupolev concluded a contract with the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation to create a deeply modernized strategic missile carrier Tu-95MSM. This was reported by Interfax General Director of PJSC Tupolev Alexander Konyukhov.

    "The contract for deep modernization - Tu-95MSM - was signed a month and a half ago, and the work was deployed at the Taganrog Aviation Plant (Beriev-IFTTC)," said Konyukhov.

    "The first Tu-95MSM departure is planned for the end of 2019," said the head of Tupolev.

    He also noted that the decision to upgrade the fleet of Tu-95MS military aircraft will be made by the Ministry of Defense following the results of state tests.

    In addition, the state tests of the strategic missile carrier Tu-95MS with the upgraded engine NK-12MPM are currently underway - they will be completed by the end of 2018. "The tests are proceeding successfully, the ICG (state joint tests - IF) we will complete by the end of this year," said Konyukhov. He noted that during the tests the strategic missile carrier Tu-95MS with the modernized engine confirms the declared characteristics.

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    Post  hoom on Wed Aug 15, 2018 12:52 pm

    Any detail on what is upgraded in engines?
    Presumably better efficiency/durability rather than more power.
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    Re: Tu-160 and Tu-95MS ( Blackjack and Bears )

    Post  GarryB on Fri Aug 17, 2018 3:28 pm

    The Bear is a subsonic aircraft and would never be able to be supersonic, and also carries most of its strategic payload externally so more power is not really that much use... it would just burn fuel faster.

    A good case in point is the Yak-38 and the Yak-38M... the latter having more powerful engines which slightly increased takeoff load, but shortened range and did not increase speed by very much at all.

    I rather suspect upgrades would be focussed on high wear components being made more durable to extend life of parts so maintenance is cheaper/easier, and to reduce fuel burn...
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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Aug 17, 2018 5:42 pm

    Not sure when this was released but its now in a thread at ZH.



    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-08-17/russia-deploys-nuclear-capable-strategic-bombers-near-alaska
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:39 pm

    Well is you look where is Anadyr airbase no wonder that US got  a bti nervous. It d not like fling B-52 in Baltics right?







    https://www.rt.com/news/436182-tu160-bomber-midflight-refueling/







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    Re: Tu-160 and Tu-95MS ( Blackjack and Bears )

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Aug 18, 2018 7:18 am

    Now they have 1 more Arctic/N. Pacific base to fly from, giving Russia bigger strategic depth.
    Tu-95MS update:
    Tu-95MSM will receive modern on-board equipment, engines and impact weapons. The Arsenal of the Bear will be supplemented by ultra-long cruise missiles X-101 / X-102 and medium-range missiles Kh-50. The purpose of modernization is to extend the life of the machine and increase its combat effectiveness. General Director of PJSC "Tupolev" Alexander Konyukhov told Interfax that the Taganrog Aircraft Plant is carrying out a profound modernization of the strategic bomber-missile carrier Tu-95MS. As he noted, the contract with the Ministry of Defense of Russia was concluded 1.5 months ago.
    The first flight of an experimental plane is planned for the end of 2019. According to the test results, the military department will decide to update the "Bears" park. The composition of the VKS is about 30 Tu-95MS. ..
    According to PJSC "Tupolev", "Bears" will receive modern flight-navigation equipment. In February 2018, the head of the State Duma Defense Committee, Vladimir Shamanov, said that Tu-95MS would be upgraded to use long-range cruise missiles.
    As reported by the media, for the operation of the X-101 / X-102 missile systems of the Raduga ICB, the Tu-95MSM will receive a more voluminous bomb compartment. The new ammunition is longer (by 1.4 m) and heavier (by 1 t) family of strategic cruise missiles X-55. However, the range of X-101 / X-102 ranges from 3 to 9 thousand km (against 2,5 thousand km in X-55).
    In December 2017, the American magazine Jane's Missiles & Rockets informed that the state program of armaments for 2018-2027 envisages the supply of operational and tactical missiles X-50  (X-SD, "product 715") for long-range aircraft. The dimensions of the newest ammunition will be more modest than the X-101 / X-102, so the Tu-95MSM will be able to fly into the air with 14 such missiles.
    Range X-50 will be 1,5 thousand km, weight - 1,6 tons. The missile will be equipped with a turbofan engine ("product 37-04"). The flight will be carried out at subsonic speed (up to 700-950 km / h). However, a high-precision ammunition will be hardly noticeable for ABM systems.
    Tu-95MSM will fly on the upgraded power unit NK-12MPM with AB-60T air screws, which is currently being tested. New engines have more traction. The brainchild of PJSC "Kuznetsov" will increase the payload of "Bear" and improve its take-off characteristics.
    Dmitry Drozdenko believes that upgrading the Tu-95MSM is a significant contribution to ensuring US nuclear deterrence. New on-board equipment, missile armament and engines will increase the combat radius of the turboprop "strategist".
    "The rate for the modernization of the Tu-95MS looks like a justified step both from the military and from the economic point of view. This is particularly noticeable in the example of the ultra-expensive "invisible" B-2 Spirit. The American airplane was unable to use missiles with a nuclear warhead. Our "Bear" will remain a universal airplane and will receive a more formidable missile weapon, "the expert concluded. https://russian.rt.com/russia/article/544800-tu-95-medved-modernizaciya
    The B-1B can't, but the B-2 can be armed with nikes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Grumman_B-2_Spirit#Armaments_and_equipment

    I wonder if the TU-142s will also be so modernized later.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-142#Technological_upgrades

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    Post  hoom on Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:44 pm

    Not sure when this was released but its now in a thread at ZH.
    Fascinating.
    When I first looked at that map I was Shocked
    But then I noticed they put Engels in the wrong place, about where Chelyabinsk is, its actually 1000km further West next to the Volga about 330km North from Volgograd so that round trip is considerably longer than depicted.

    Return route round Japan makes 15,000km to 2nd refuel at Komsomolsk on Amur so thats a simulated ~7500km return trip to Northern Canada say to the corner of Saskatchewan, Alberta & NorthWest Territories which puts most of the US in range of a 3500km missile like X-55SM.
    X-101 with 5500km will allow launch from less distance but with a decent supersonic sprint & a complex missile path.
    I guess this shouldn't be a great surprise but I've never looked at those ranges on Google Earth before, kinda always assumed they'd have to launch from North or far East Russia not from South West.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Aug 19, 2018 1:42 am

    hoom wrote:
    X-101 with 5500km will allow launch from less distance but with a decent supersonic sprint & a complex missile path.
    I guess this shouldn't be a great surprise but I've never looked at those ranges on Google Earth before, kinda always assumed they'd have to launch from North or far East Russia not from South West.


    Now multiply this by number of planned Tu-160s and modernized Tu-22M3M no wonder that US gets a bit nervous. With extender range Tu-22 can "clear the way " attacking carrier groups. Over Pacific is too long way for fighters to reach group of Tu-160s...

    10 means 60 Kh-101/102 delivered to US mainland.
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    Post  George1 on Thu Aug 23, 2018 4:24 pm

    New engines to boost Tu-95MS strategic bombers’ flight range

    A new modification of the NK-12 engine for Russian strategic Tupolev Tu-95MS bombers will help increase their range

    KUBINKA /Moscow Region/, August 23. /TASS/. A new modification of the NK-12 engine for Russian strategic Tupolev Tu-95MS bombers will help increase their range and load and almost halve the level of the motors’ vibration, the press office of the state hi-tech corporation Rostec said on Thursday.

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    Russia to modernize Tu-95MS strategic missile-carrying bomber

    "The NK-12MPM engine developed by the Samara-based Kuznetsov public company (part of the UEC [United Engine Corporation] within Rostec) is a modification of the NK-12MP, the world’s most powerful (15,000 hp) serial-produced turbo-prop engine," says the statement obtained by TASS.

    "It allows improving the aircraft’s take-off characteristics and increasing the load-carrying capacity and the flight range of the missile-carrying bomber. The new powerplant uses more powerful propellers created by Aerosila Research and Production Enterprise while the new design solutions have almost halved the vibration level," the statement reads.

    "Currently, the Tu-95MS equipped with the NK-12MPM engine is undergoing the Russian Defense Ministry’s state trials," Rostec said.


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    Post  LMFS on Thu Aug 23, 2018 6:10 pm

    So, it not only the engine but also the propeller. There has been lots of advance in that regard since the design of the Tu-95
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    Post  JohninMK on Thu Aug 23, 2018 9:57 pm

    LMFS wrote:So, it not only the engine but also the propeller. There has been lots of advance in that regard since the design of the Tu-95
    I would say, especially the propeller.

    Regardless of the application, propellers/fans have changed enormously over the past 20 years let alone 50 years. Just look at the humble cooling fan in your PC or car engine, let alone the prop on a C-130J or A-400M, or even a submarine.

    Its the computer power now in CAD directly influencing power efficiency from an engine.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Aug 23, 2018 10:09 pm

    I wonder, could pilots feather 1-2 engines in flight to save fuel & extend the range even more, like the USN P-3s do on long patrols?

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