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    Re: Tu-160 and Tu-95MS ( Blackjack and Bears )

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Oct 06, 2017 10:14 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Actually great news also for new V/STOL Russian fighter. Vide Yak-43

    Wait, you are saying they will use this monster engine on fighter jet?affraid


    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%AF%D0%BA-43
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuznetsov_NK-32

    NK-32 (old)
    Performance
    Maximum thrust: Cruise thrust: 14 000 kgf (31,000 lbf, 137 kN)[5] Afterburning thrust: 25 000 kgf (55,000 lbf, 245 kN) [5]
    verall pressure ratio: 28.4[4]
    Bypass ratio: 1.4[4]
    Turbine inlet temperature: 1630 K (1357 °C)
    Specific fuel consumption: (supersonic) 48g/kN/hour[6](subsonic): 0.72-0.73 kg/kgf/hour[6]
    Thrust-to-weight ratio: 7.35 Kgf/kg

    General characteristics
    Type: Three-spool low-bypass afterburning turbofan
    Length: 6,000 mm (20 ft)[4]
    Diameter: 1,460 mm (4.79 ft)[4]
    Dry weight: 3,400 kg (7,500 lb)[4]



    for comparison F35's engine (for STO/VL version)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pratt_%26_Whitney_F135

    General characteristics
    Type: Afterburning Turbofan with shaft driven remote lift fan
    Length: 369 in (937.3 cm)
    Diameter: 46 in (116.8 cm) maximum, 43 in (109.2 cm) fan inlet, 53 in (134.6 cm) lift fan inlet
    Dry weight:


    Performance
    Maximum thrust: 41,000 lbf (182 kN) max, 27,000 lbf (120 kN) intermediate, 40,650 lbf (180.8 kN) hover

    Overall pressure ratio: 28:1 overall pressure ratio (conventional), 29:1 overall pressure ratio (powered lift),
    Power-to-weight ratio:

    and you say Russian oldie is a monster with less weight size and more thrust huh? pirat
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    Re: Tu-160 and Tu-95MS ( Blackjack and Bears )

    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Oct 08, 2017 12:04 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:Actually great news also for new V/STOL  Russian fighter.  Vide Yak-43

    AFAIK, the Yak-43 is dead and buried ...you have any recent news on it?
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    Re: Tu-160 and Tu-95MS ( Blackjack and Bears )

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:59 am


    https://rg.ru/2017/07/11/reg-pfo/pervyj-tu-160m2-postupil-v-ceh-okonchatelnoj-sborki.html

    The first Tu-160M2 entered the final assembly shop

    At Kazan Gorbunov Aircraft Plant (KAZ), the prototype of the strategic bomber Tu-160M2 was towed to the final assembly shop. The aircraft with factory number 804 is taken from the remnant left from Soviet times and will become a demonstration of how Kazan aircraft manufacturers and Russia as a whole are able to resume the production of such complex systems.

    In 1992, the assembly of strategic bombers in Kazan was stopped, but the plant left four reserves in various degrees of readiness, writes the military blog with reference to the factory newspaper "Forward!" and the Kazan edition of "BUSINESS Online". Two of them were completed in 2000 and 2008, the other two were saved.

    Photo: Vitaly Ankov / RIA Novosti
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    In February 2017, Russian Industry and Trade Minister Denis Manturov confirmed that the first prototype of the upgraded Tu-160 will be assembled from the factory reserve. "We need to raise the first car in 2018," the minister said. It will not be a full-fledged Tu-160M2, but a demonstration of KAZ's abilities to restore almost the most difficult production in the country.

    Completion of development work on the new "strategist" is planned for 2021, in 2020 a modern complex of on-board radio-electronic equipment will be created. The serial assembly of new engines NK-32-02 for Tu-160M2 at PJSC "Kuznetsov" has just begun. And the future bomber's weapon is a long-range strategic cruise missile under the X-BD index, while it is being developed. It is known that it will have a flight range of about seven thousand kilometers, very high speed and artificial intelligence.

    "In a new complex, the missile will be the main component." She will decide when, where, at what altitude and speed to fly. And the aircraft will only be a means of delivery to the launch point, "Colonel-General Viktor Bondarev, the commander-in-chief of the Russian Air Force, said.

    The work on assembling the first Tu-160M2 goes almost around the clock, this project for KAZ is a landmark project. It is necessary to form and test the hermachine, assemble the wings of variable sweep wings and connect them with the swivel knot, test the tightness of the caisson tanks and mount a number of aircraft systems.

    - This car is special for us. Work on the first aircraft in the volume of aggregate-assembly production helped to create a team that will become the basis of future production. Of course, many cones were filled. But the main thing is the result: the young guys - those who knew about the construction of the Tu-160 only in theory - learned how to build this aircraft and perfect their skills, "said Zufar Mirgalimov, the first deputy director of the KAZ, on the 804th car. - Ahead is no less important stage - the final assembly of the 804th car and its transfer in October to the flight test station.

    Until the rollout of the updated Tu-160 bomber left several months, the official blog of the United Aircraft Corporation recently reported .



    Cyberspec wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:Actually great news also for new V/STOL  Russian fighter.  Vide Yak-43

    AFAIK, the Yak-43 is dead and buried ...you have any recent news on it?

    There were some about Arab Emirates co-financing new light stealth fighter and Bondaryev mentioned about re-viving production of VSTOL fighter based on YAK 141.
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    Re: Tu-160 and Tu-95MS ( Blackjack and Bears )

    Post  George1 on Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:58 am

    The first flight of the Tu-160 bomber of the new production is planned for February 2018

    According to Antony Angrand, in the article "Le Tu-160M2 volera en février 2018", published by the magazine "Air & Cosmos", the first flight of the upgraded version of the Tu-160M bomber with serial number 0804 will be held in February 2018. 16 of this type of aircraft existing in the VKS will be modified to version M2, and another 50 Tu-160M2 of the new production will be added to them.

    According to the publication, in November the plane with the serial number 0804 should arrive at the flight-testing station of the Kazan Aviation Plant named after. S.P. Gorbunov - branch of PJSC "Tupolev".

    The first flight will also take place from the factory airfield. The aircraft with the serial number 0804 is actually the usual Tu-160, which will be modified to version M2. The Ministry of Defense of Russia specified that the batch batch production will begin in 2023, and that the Russian Air Force will purchase 50 aircraft. Earlier, the commander-in-chief of the VKS Viktor Bondarev said that the Tu-160M2 could begin to arrive in part since the end of 2018.

    There are 16 Tu-160s produced during the Soviet period (so in the text - bmpd). All these aircraft will probably be upgraded to version M2.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2939236.html
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    Re: Tu-160 and Tu-95MS ( Blackjack and Bears )

    Post  Militarov on Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:27 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:Actually great news also for new V/STOL  Russian fighter.  Vide Yak-43

    AFAIK, the Yak-43 is dead and buried ...you have any recent news on it?

    It never went further than concept based on Yak-141. So there was never much to bury either xD
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    Post  eehnie on Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:33 pm

    George1 wrote:The first flight of the Tu-160 bomber of the new production is planned for February 2018

    According to Antony Angrand, in the article "Le Tu-160M2 volera en février 2018", published by the magazine "Air & Cosmos", the first flight of the upgraded version of the Tu-160M bomber with serial number 0804 will be held in February 2018. 16 of this type of aircraft existing in the VKS will be modified to version M2, and another 50 Tu-160M2 of the new production will be added to them.

    According to the publication, in November the plane with the serial number 0804 should arrive at the flight-testing station of the Kazan Aviation Plant named after. S.P. Gorbunov - branch of PJSC "Tupolev".

    The first flight will also take place from the factory airfield. The aircraft with the serial number 0804 is actually the usual Tu-160, which will be modified to version M2. The Ministry of Defense of Russia specified that the batch batch production will begin in 2023, and that the Russian Air Force will purchase 50 aircraft. Earlier, the commander-in-chief of the VKS Viktor Bondarev said that the Tu-160M2 could begin to arrive in part since the end of 2018.

    There are 16 Tu-160s produced during the Soviet period (so in the text - bmpd). All these aircraft will probably be upgraded to version M2.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2939236.html

    Good news for Russia.
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    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Nov 11, 2017 9:16 am

    Militarov wrote:
    Cyberspec wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:Actually great news also for new V/STOL  Russian fighter.  Vide Yak-43

    AFAIK, the Yak-43 is dead and buried ...you have any recent news on it?

    It never went further than concept based on Yak-141. So there was never much to bury either xD

    So ?

    He mentioned something about a new V/STOL fighter. Therefore I thought he was referring to the revival of the project
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    Post  KiloGolf on Sat Nov 11, 2017 12:53 pm

    eehnie wrote:
    George1 wrote:The first flight of the Tu-160 bomber of the new production is planned for February 2018

    According to Antony Angrand, in the article "Le Tu-160M2 volera en février 2018", published by the magazine "Air & Cosmos", the first flight of the upgraded version of the Tu-160M bomber with serial number 0804 will be held in February 2018. 16 of this type of aircraft existing in the VKS will be modified to version M2, and another 50 Tu-160M2 of the new production will be added to them.

    According to the publication, in November the plane with the serial number 0804 should arrive at the flight-testing station of the Kazan Aviation Plant named after. S.P. Gorbunov - branch of PJSC "Tupolev".

    The first flight will also take place from the factory airfield. The aircraft with the serial number 0804 is actually the usual Tu-160, which will be modified to version M2. The Ministry of Defense of Russia specified that the batch batch production will begin in 2023, and that the Russian Air Force will purchase 50 aircraft. Earlier, the commander-in-chief of the VKS Viktor Bondarev said that the Tu-160M2 could begin to arrive in part since the end of 2018.

    There are 16 Tu-160s produced during the Soviet period (so in the text - bmpd). All these aircraft will probably be upgraded to version M2.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2939236.html

    Good news for Russia.

    Easy there, Note the word, "planned".
    It's a Russian military project, I'd expect some kind of delay. With creative excuses of course. lol1
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    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:45 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:Easy there, Note the word, "planned".
    It's a Russian military project, I'd expect some kind of delay. With creative excuses of course. lol1

    They apparently have 3-4 partialy completed airframes leftover from Soviet times. That should speed up the construction of the first examples
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Nov 12, 2017 12:31 am

    Cyberspec wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:Easy there, Note the word, "planned".
    It's a Russian military project, I'd expect some kind of delay. With creative excuses of course. lol1

    They apparently have 3-4 partialy completed airframes leftover from Soviet times. That should speed up the construction of the first examples


    The first Tu-160M2 entered the final assembly shop

    At Kazan Gorbunov Aircraft Plant (KAZ), the prototype of the strategic bomber Tu-160M2 was towed to the final assembly shop. The aircraft with factory number 804 is taken from the remnant left from Soviet times and will become a demonstration of how Kazan aircraft manufacturers and Russia as a whole are able to resume the production of such complex systems.

    In 1992, the assembly of strategic bombers in Kazan was stopped, but the plant left four reserves in various degrees of readiness, writes the military blog with reference to the factory newspaper "Forward!" and the Kazan edition of "BUSINESS Online". Two of them were completed in 2000 and 2008, the other two were saved.

    in my prev post Smile
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    Re: Tu-160 and Tu-95MS ( Blackjack and Bears )

    Post  Militarov on Sun Nov 12, 2017 12:33 am

    KiloGolf wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    George1 wrote:The first flight of the Tu-160 bomber of the new production is planned for February 2018

    According to Antony Angrand, in the article "Le Tu-160M2 volera en février 2018", published by the magazine "Air & Cosmos", the first flight of the upgraded version of the Tu-160M bomber with serial number 0804 will be held in February 2018. 16 of this type of aircraft existing in the VKS will be modified to version M2, and another 50 Tu-160M2 of the new production will be added to them.

    According to the publication, in November the plane with the serial number 0804 should arrive at the flight-testing station of the Kazan Aviation Plant named after. S.P. Gorbunov - branch of PJSC "Tupolev".

    The first flight will also take place from the factory airfield. The aircraft with the serial number 0804 is actually the usual Tu-160, which will be modified to version M2. The Ministry of Defense of Russia specified that the batch batch production will begin in 2023, and that the Russian Air Force will purchase 50 aircraft. Earlier, the commander-in-chief of the VKS Viktor Bondarev said that the Tu-160M2 could begin to arrive in part since the end of 2018.

    There are 16 Tu-160s produced during the Soviet period (so in the text - bmpd). All these aircraft will probably be upgraded to version M2.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2939236.html

    Good news for Russia.

    Easy there, Note the word, "planned".
    It's a Russian military project, I'd expect some kind of delay. With creative excuses of course. lol1

    I already see epic story about engines production Very Happy
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    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Nov 12, 2017 4:00 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:In 1992, the assembly of strategic bombers in Kazan was stopped, but the plant left four reserves in various degrees of readiness, writes the military blog with reference to the factory newspaper "Forward!" and the Kazan edition of "BUSINESS Online". Two of them were completed in 2000 and 2008, the other two were saved.


    in my prev post Smile

    Well that settles it then
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    Re: Tu-160 and Tu-95MS ( Blackjack and Bears )

    Post  GarryB on Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:15 am

    We have already been over this.

    They had four aircraft in different states of completion.

    They finished the two they could finish but because the remaining two didn't have the expensive and complicated titanium box structure the remaining two could not be completed outside of the Ukrainian factory that made them in the first place.

    The fact that they have finished the remaining two means they now have a forge able to work with very large titanium structures in a vacuum.... which is pretty much all they needed to make new Blackjacks.

    Mil and Kilo.. hope you are happy with your snide cheap shots...

    Troll all you want, you just sound like asses.

    These planes are going to be built and these engines are going to be upgraded and it might not actually run to schedule, because this is the real world and not fairy fanboi land like the EU you two live in.

    Oops, did I say fairy.... sorry, I realise in the western democratic republic of EU that you two live in that might be deemed offensive to faggots and I would be strung up under the nearest lamp post for uttering such an offensive slur on the good name of homos everywhere.
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    Post  KiloGolf on Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:46 am

    Cyberspec wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:Easy there, Note the word, "planned".
    It's a Russian military project, I'd expect some kind of delay. With creative excuses of course. lol1

    They apparently have 3-4 partialy completed airframes leftover from Soviet times. That should speed up the construction of the first examples

    Well that took about 1/4 of a century, beats Ivan Gren record. lol1

    GarryB wrote:Mil and Kilo.. hope you are happy with your snide cheap shots...

    Troll all you want, you just sound like asses.

    learn to take a joke Garry. yes sir

    And given the circumstances in Russian defense projects, there's plenty of subject matter.
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    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:57 am

    KiloGolf wrote:Well that took about 1/4 of a century....

    Congratulations thumbsup This one takes the prize for the most idiotic recent post...and it was a tight contest
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    Post  KiloGolf on Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:03 am

    Cyberspec wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:Well that took about 1/4 of a century....

    Congratulations  thumbsup  This one takes the prize for the most idiotic recent post...and it was a tight contest

    Try the Ivan Gren thread, you'll find epic stuff there.
    Although wait one sec, I can hear a phone ringing. Oh it's 1992, they want their incomplete bombers back jocolor

    PS. you too, learn to take a joke.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Nov 12, 2017 12:05 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:Well that took about 1/4 of a century....

    Congratulations  thumbsup  This one takes the prize for the most idiotic recent post...and it was a tight contest

    i's weekend and I wanna smoke same thing as KiloGolf Razz Razz Razz
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    Post  KiloGolf on Sun Nov 12, 2017 12:47 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Cyberspec wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:Well that took about 1/4 of a century....

    Congratulations  thumbsup  This one takes the prize for the most idiotic recent post...and it was a tight contest

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    Post  Militarov on Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:00 pm

    GarryB wrote:We have already been over this.

    They had four aircraft in different states of completion.

    They finished the two they could finish but because the remaining two didn't have the expensive and complicated titanium box structure the remaining two could not be completed outside of the Ukrainian factory that made them in the first place.

    The fact that they have finished the remaining two means they now have a forge able to work with very large titanium structures in a vacuum.... which is pretty much all they needed to make new Blackjacks.

    Mil and Kilo.. hope you are happy with your snide cheap shots...

    Troll all you want, you just sound like asses.

    These planes are going to be built and these engines are going to be upgraded and it might not actually run to schedule, because this is the real world and not fairy fanboi land like the EU you two live in.

    Oops, did I say fairy.... sorry, I realise in the western democratic republic of EU that you two live in that might be deemed offensive to faggots and I would be strung up under the nearest lamp post for uttering such an offensive slur on the good name of homos everywhere.

    I do not live in the EU, that to start with Smile

    Second, i just commented on their cute schedules. How comes they always bring silly schedules and then prolong them for decade on average, whats the point. Stfu and just say, we are working on it, it will be done, report if you are pleased on completion phases during the work and thats it. But no... IN 2019. IT WILL... no it wont, over and over, it wont.

    "PAK-FA enters service in 2015."... yea..cute... "Admiral Nakhimov overhaul ends in 2018..."...right... "Ivan Gren...." you got me i hope.

    Who is coming up with these dates, someone with Down syndrome? Engine production restart will take long, then they will have issues with modernisations, then they will produce same NK-32 variant for start... same as it was with Izd-30.

    I am not "troll", i am just saying what everyone thinks, thats the difference.
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    Post  Militarov on Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:03 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    Cyberspec wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:Well that took about 1/4 of a century....

    Congratulations  thumbsup  This one takes the prize for the most idiotic recent post...and it was a tight contest

    Try the Ivan Gren thread, you'll find epic stuff there.
    Although wait one sec, I can hear a phone ringing. Oh it's 1992, they want their incomplete bombers back jocolor

    PS. you too, learn to take a joke.

    To be honest, many other countries did scrap production of certain equipment, stored the semi complete examples and restarted production decade or two later, either as maintenance or replacement of lost equipment feat. Its not only Russian thing, tho that is far more common in naval production than aviation.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:43 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Cyberspec wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:Well that took about 1/4 of a century....

    Congratulations  thumbsup  This one takes the prize for the most idiotic recent post...and it was a tight contest

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    Post  d_taddei2 on Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:37 pm

    I just wanted to ask people's opinion on the rear mounted gun on the Tu-95 is worth having it now? Only use I can see is if it came across another enemy bomber which is highly unlikely.  I thought maybe best just to remove it to save weight and it removes 23mm ammo sitting at rear of aircraft.
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    Post  Singular_Transform on Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:44 pm

    Militarov wrote:

    I do not live in the EU, that to start with Smile

    Second, i just commented on their cute schedules. How comes they always bring silly schedules and then prolong them for decade on average, whats the point. Stfu and just say, we are working on it, it will be done, report if you are pleased on completion phases during the work and thats it. But no... IN 2019. IT WILL... no it wont, over and over, it wont.

    "PAK-FA enters service in 2015."... yea..cute... "Admiral Nakhimov overhaul ends in 2018..."...right... "Ivan Gren...." you got me i hope.

    Who is coming up with these dates, someone with Down syndrome? Engine production restart will take long, then they will have issues with modernisations, then they will produce same NK-32 variant for start... same as it was with Izd-30.

    I am not "troll", i am just saying what everyone thinks, thats the difference.

    It is completely normal, just see what happened with the US nuclear manufacturing lines after two decade of shutdown.

    They wanted to make just same fogbank ,and it is only a small part of a nuke, and faced with extreme expense and years later delivery than it was expected.


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    Post  GarryB on Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:05 am

    learn to take a joke Garry.

    This is not the humour section.

    Such butt hurt whining constitutes trolling, not humour.


    And given the circumstances in Russian defense projects, there's plenty of subject matter.

    There is a saying here... "Those that can do, those that can't teach... or criticise".

    There are plenty of problems within any organisation, and plenty more beyond their control.

    Your repeated whining does nothing to solve any of those problems, and your ignorance regarding the issues just makes you look stupid.

    So what the Ivan Gren took a long time to get into service. For a long time they didn't even need it because they had paid for Mistrals. They have completed them anyway because a modern ship is more use than the value the scrap would bring, and laying down a new ship would have been no quicker.

    In this particular case the Soviet Union spent a fortune on the enormous forge on Ukrainian territory used to make the central box structure of the Blackjack entirely from Titanium. They have clearly rebuilt an equivalent forge in Russia to do the same thing in record time but you still whine because you think there will be delays.

    You sound like a whining prick.

    I do not live in the EU, that to start with

    Check the wind direction... you will be assimilated soon enough... their values will become your values....

    Second, i just commented on their cute schedules. How comes they always bring silly schedules and then prolong them for decade on average, whats the point. Stfu and just say, we are working on it, it will be done, report if you are pleased on completion phases during the work and thats it. But no... IN 2019. IT WILL... no it wont, over and over, it wont.

    Their schedules are calculated based on available information. Ukraine being assholes and cutting off supply of engines, problems in development of brand new multifunction naval systems that all have to work together, and the French being assholes and not delivering goods paid for could not possibly be included in the original schedule. And that does not even allow for sabotage from the west like oil price crashes and sanctions.

    Perhaps they should pad 10 years into every schedule to allow for the evil influence of the west and other shit they just can't predict... and then you will be complaining that their schedules are not accurate if nothing goes wrong.

    "PAK-FA enters service in 2015."... yea..cute... "Admiral Nakhimov overhaul ends in 2018..."...right... "Ivan Gren...." you got me i hope.

    They had some structural issues with the PAK FA that clearly needed a redesign, the Admiral Nakimovs schedule changed with the Syrian conflict, and Ivan Gren was a fuckup caused by Frogs being pricks.

    Engine production restart will take long, then they will have issues with modernisations, then they will produce same NK-32 variant for start... same as it was with Izd-30.

    They have already started upgrades of the NK-32 engine because it is the basis of the PD-35 for new transport aircraft and the PAK DA.

    I am not "troll", i am just saying what everyone thinks, thats the difference.

    No, you are not an ass trying to get a rise, you are the voice of the thinking people... right.

    I just wanted to ask people's opinion on the rear mounted gun on the Tu-95 is worth having it now? Only use I can see is if it came across another enemy bomber which is highly unlikely. I thought maybe best just to remove it to save weight and it removes 23mm ammo sitting at rear of aircraft.

    Already replied on the Tu-22M3 thread, but would add here that these guns are not for use against enemy bombers... the Bear and Backfire would never come close to western bombers.

    Chaff and flare and jammer rounds makes them interesting options and their high rate of fire would give them a small chance against incoming missiles, but not enough to make them worth putting on brand new aircraft.

    I doubt they would remove them from existing types... the guns themselves are compact and light and what would you replace that weight with anyway?

    On new aircraft they will likely be replaced with small interceptor missiles for self defence from missiles and aircraft.

    It is completely normal, just see what happened with the US nuclear manufacturing lines after two decade of shutdown.

    No, you can't compare like that... it is not fair.

    America is perfect and does not make mistakes or have problems... especially when a supplier does not supply something they need.

    For example if Russia decided to stop supplying rocket motors even though the US has the complete design blueprints and examples of the engine they have said it would take 10 years to reverse engineer the same engine let alone come up with an improved design, but Russians can't wield and they can't manage programmes and it is all Putins fault.... he spends so much on hackers there is no money left for getting things done on time.
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    Re: Tu-160 and Tu-95MS ( Blackjack and Bears )

    Post  d_taddei2 on Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:51 am

    GarryB wrote:

    I just wanted to ask people's opinion on the rear mounted gun on the Tu-95 is worth having it now? Only use I can see is if it came across another enemy bomber which is highly unlikely.  I thought maybe best just to remove it to save weight and it removes 23mm ammo sitting at rear of aircraft.

    Already replied on the Tu-22M3 thread, but would add here that these guns are not for use against enemy bombers... the Bear and Backfire would never come close to western bombers.

    Chaff and flare and jammer rounds makes them interesting options and their high rate of fire would give them a small chance against incoming missiles, but not enough to make them worth putting on brand new aircraft.

    I doubt they would remove them from existing types... the guns themselves are compact and light and what would you replace that weight with anyway?

    On new aircraft they will likely be replaced with small interceptor missiles for self defence from missiles and aircraft.

    I wouldn't replace the weight with anything it would just be so some weight even though it's small. I agree they would never be removed on Tu-95 now. Also because both aircraft are in separate threads I had to post it like this.

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