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    Post  eehnie on Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:20 pm

    Good news about the Tu-160. Here is why the production of the Tu-160 has been resumed while there is a development of the Tu-PAK-DA. Both projects have different timing.

    It is rare that the Tu-160 has not its own independent topic in the forum.
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    Post  George1 on Sat Jan 21, 2017 3:47 pm

    PAK DA's Precursor, Russian Tu-160M2 Bomber to Get Universal Anti-Missile Shield

    https://sputniknews.com/military/201701211049858468-tu-160m2-missile-defense-pak-da/


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    Post  franco on Sat Feb 11, 2017 2:18 am

    Construction upgraded Tu-160 will begin in April
    Kazan aircraft plant will begin production in April, the latest version of the strategic missile carrier Tu-160m2, told RIA Novosti the head of the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC), Yuri Slusar.

    - In March, conduct a test process, and in April plots electron-beam welding, furnace and firing will begin production of the Tu-160 with a new look for the upgraded technology, - said Slusar at a meeting of the joint board of the Ministry of Economy and Industry and Trade of Tatarstan.

    The release of "classic" Tu-160 was discontinued in 2008. The key objective of the start of production of a new version of the missile was not just a restoration technologies create those or other units, but their modernization, highlighted in the KLA. In 2016, the corporation has completed the digitization project Tu-160m2, for its release of the Kazan aircraft plant equipment in the next few years will update at 40 percent.

    - The aim is to consider the possibility of increasing the production of aircraft in Kazan, which will require appropriate efforts to build our capacities - said Slusar.

    Tu-160 - a supersonic strategic bomber with variable sweep wing, the largest military aircraft in the world. It can fly at a speed twice the sound and carry up to 45 tons of bombs and missiles. The VKS plane was nicknamed the "White Swan". M2 version was updated avionics, improved engines, inertial navigation, a modern fire control system. "In practice, this will be a new aircraft in the old building," - said Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov. The military plans to purchase 50 submarines.

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    Post  Rmf on Sat Feb 11, 2017 8:50 pm

    hoom wrote:Kazan Aviation plant has started re-learning how to make the main wing beam for Tu-160 http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2245553.html

    Google translate wrote:There was a unique equipment to work with the 20-meter monolithic slabs of varying thickness of titanium alloys, because of which made 38% of the construction of the Tu-160.

    "Backbone" of the bomber can be called the central titanium beam length of 12.4 m and a width of 2.1 m around which are grouped and other elements of the airframe. For example, at its hinge joints were hung wings. For the manufacture of the beam has been developed process of electron beam welding in a neutral atmosphere or in a vacuum. "Titan is known, is not brewed in the air - begins to burn, and does not extinguish it, so do it either in a vacuum or in a neutral environment, - told the" Online Business "Advisor to the Prime Minister of Tatarstan Nazir Kireev. - When welding everything must go very accurately - all calculated literally fractions of a millimeter. "

    The beam milled in two halves and welded in one piece in a vacuum chamber under spetsprisadkami and fluxes. In the scientific and popular literature states that this welding is so far it relates to the unique technologies and can be regarded as national priorities. "Such a welding time was only at the Kazan aircraft plant, and it appeared only in connection with the Tu-160
    they say that central body will be same for tu-160 and pak-da.

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Feb 11, 2017 10:15 pm

    Which is very strange because the centre body of the Tu-160 is made from a titanium box structure that is very very strong... it holds and supports the bits to allow the swing wing mechanism to work.

    I wonder if they are going to do a Fitter on us and have the PAK DA with partial swing wing to change the drag characteristics in different flight modes.

    A straight wing for takeoff and landing at low safe speeds and a swept wing for low drag higher speed cruise.

    The problem is that if it is subsonic then a swept wing is overkill in terms of weight and cost and complexity for such a minor improvement in speed via reduction in drag.

    Unless of course they want a straight wing flying wing and a swept wing super cruising bomber...

    This will be interesting.


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    Post  Singular_Transform on Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:18 pm

    http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/181506/tupolev-prepares-to-resume-tu_160m2-production.html

    Experts point to the significance of the fact and remind that the shop had been virtually wiped out following the collapse of the Soviet Union. The company admits that many of its facilities have been neglected, according to the BUSINESS Online news portal.

    The Kazan Aircraft Plant awarded two contracts for restoring the Tu-160 manufacturing equipment in March 2016. Both are to be carried out by March 30, 2017. Elektromekhanika in the city of Rzhev undertook to square the UVN-45 away for 948 million rubles ($16.5 million), while a subcontractor for rebuilding the ELU-24 was not selected at the time. According to the corporate newspaper, Rzhev-based NITI Progress has been selected for this job. It will be paid 710 million rubles ($12.3 million).


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    "The ELU unit is used for wing center section welding. There will be no upgraded Tu-160, unless we re-learn how to make the beam," a BUSINESS Online source in the aircraft industry says. "As is known, money allocated for the rebuilding the [ELU-24 and UVN-45] units is big. Will the job be done on time? It is hard to say, because the units have been out of repair seriously and for a long time, since the 1990 literally wrought havoc at the shop."
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    The ELU-24 and UVN-45 units are to be tested and accepted and the manufacture of the components of the main longitudinal beam and wing pivot assembly is to begin by March 30, 2017."

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    Post  AlfaT8 on Sun Apr 09, 2017 6:47 pm

    Ok guys, i have been wondering if it's true that the Tu-95MSM can only launch 8 missiles, since the MSM is an upgrade from the MS-16 there would be no reason to remove the rotary launcher, yet i haven't found a source that could confirm this, they all mention the the 8 under-wing pylons, but no mention of whether the rotary launcher are still there, so can anyone clarify this issue?
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    Post  Militarov on Sun Apr 09, 2017 6:59 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:Ok guys, i have been wondering if it's true that the Tu-95MSM can only launch 8 missiles, since the MSM is an upgrade from the MS-16 there would be no reason to remove the rotary launcher, yet i haven't found a source that could confirm this, they all mention the the 8 under-wing pylons, but no mention of whether the rotary launcher are still there, so can anyone clarify this issue?

    Rotary launcher is still there.

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    Post  franco on Sun Apr 09, 2017 7:09 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:Ok guys, i have been wondering if it's true that the Tu-95MSM can only launch 8 missiles, since the MSM is an upgrade from the MS-16 there would be no reason to remove the rotary launcher, yet i haven't found a source that could confirm this, they all mention the the 8 under-wing pylons, but no mention of whether the rotary launcher are still there, so can anyone clarify this issue?

    Rotary launcher is still there.


    Have been wondering the same thing, the rotary launcher is still there but can it mount the new Kh101/102 as they are 1.4 meters longer then the Kh-55.

    EDIT: from this article it would seem the bomb bay is not large enough for the Kh101 http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-440.html


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    Post  Militarov on Sun Apr 09, 2017 7:13 pm

    franco wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:Ok guys, i have been wondering if it's true that the Tu-95MSM can only launch 8 missiles, since the MSM is an upgrade from the MS-16 there would be no reason to remove the rotary launcher, yet i haven't found a source that could confirm this, they all mention the the 8 under-wing pylons, but no mention of whether the rotary launcher are still there, so can anyone clarify this issue?

    Rotary launcher is still there.


    Have been wondering the same thing, the rotary launcher is still there but can it mount the new Kh101/102 as they are 1.4 meters longer then the Kh-55.

    Well, it is still there, but it might be kept to use KH-55 rather than KH-101. But that is just my personal belief.

    So they use KH-101/2 on external rackets and rotary launcher for KH-55.

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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Apr 09, 2017 11:43 pm

    By shear coincidence we have this video and writeup

    https://southfront.org/russias-tu-95ms-bear-strategic-bomber-and-missile-carrier/
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:55 am

    JohninMK wrote:By shear coincidence we have this video and writeup

    https://southfront.org/russias-tu-95ms-bear-strategic-bomber-and-missile-carrier/

    Not a coincidence, i brought up this question up after noticing this issue in there report, i have yet to find a source that can clarify.
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    Post  franco on Mon Apr 10, 2017 2:00 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:By shear coincidence we have this video and writeup

    https://southfront.org/russias-tu-95ms-bear-strategic-bomber-and-missile-carrier/

    Not a coincidence, i brought up this question up after noticing this issue in there report, i have yet to find a source that can clarify.

    Did you read my link.
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Mon Apr 10, 2017 3:33 am

    franco wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:By shear coincidence we have this video and writeup

    https://southfront.org/russias-tu-95ms-bear-strategic-bomber-and-missile-carrier/

    Not a coincidence, i brought up this question up after noticing this issue in there report, i have yet to find a source that can clarify.

    Did you read my link.

    Woow, totally missed it, my bad. pwnd

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    Post  JohninMK on Sat Apr 22, 2017 11:41 pm

    A bear with a 'friend' Smile

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    Post  AlfaT8 on Sun Apr 23, 2017 4:14 am

    JohninMK wrote:A bear with a 'friend' Smile


    Yes, come closer, let me scan every detail, muhahaha. Twisted Evil
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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Apr 25, 2017 12:57 pm


    Related to Tu-160M2 and PAK-DA:

    Kazan Aviation Plant restored Electron-beam welding of titanium

    At the Kazan Aviation Plant. S.P. Gorbunova electron-beam welding of titanium was restored in record time. The technology is restored on a new, modern technical basis.


    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/92824/

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    Post  George1 on Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:09 am

    White Swans' Nest: The Birthplace of New Russian Strategic Bombers

    An aircraft factory in Kazan is expected to become the birthplace of a new generation of Russian Tu-160 long-range supersonic bomber aircraft known throughout the world as the White Swan.

    Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin has confirmed that the assembly of the new supersonic heavy strategic bombers will be taking place at an aircraft factory in Russia’s Republic of Tatarstan.

    According to Rogozin, the manufacturing process itself will be handled by the Kazan Aircraft Production Association, as the plant has already managed to master all the required production techniques like electron beam welding of titanium.

    Earlier Yuri Slyusar, chief of Russia's United Aircraft Corporation (UAC), announced that the UAC plans to manufacture up to 50 upgraded Tu-160M2 strategic bombers from 2022.

    The Tu-160 is a supersonic variable-sweep wing heavy strategic bomber, the largest and heaviest Mach 2+ supersonic aircraft ever built and probably the fastest bomber aircraft currently in use. The warplane, dubbed 'White Swan' by Russian pilots and referred to as ‘Blackjack’ by NATO forces, is capable of engaging ground targets around the globe with both conventional and nuclear weapons.

    https://sputniknews.com/military/201704251052985821-bomber-aircraft-production/


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    Post  ATLASCUB on Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:19 pm

    JohninMK wrote:A bear with a 'friend' Smile


    With those drop tanks..no need to scan much Smile

    Won't be long before we see a bulge on the F-22 intakes ala F-18/15/16 mods.
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    Post  George1 on Sun May 14, 2017 6:50 am

    Russia's ambitious plans for strategic bombers

    It is probably time for a quick update on the status of the Russian strategic bomber modernization program. Russia seems to have quite a big plan. Two years ago, in May 2015, the air force announced that it wants to buy as many 50 new Tu-160 aircraft. This is apparently still very much the plan - in an interview last month the head of the United Aircraft Corporation said that the industry expects to produce from 30 to 50 new aircraft, which are now known as Tu-160-M2. Production is expected to begin in 2021.

    Meanwhile, all 16 "old" Tu-160 bombers that are currently in service will be completely refurbished. Initially, the idea was to complete the overhaul by 2019, but in the most recent announcement, made by Yuri Borisov, the deputy minister of defense last month, the date was left uncertain - it's only that the old Tu-160 will remain in force until the arrival of the new Tu-160M2. Some Tu-160 bomber are already undergoing modernization, but it is difficult to say whether it is a "new" modernization or the "old" one - see the discussion in this post.

    According to Borisov, Tu-95MS should be able to stay in service as long as it is necessary to be eventually replaced by the new PAK-DA. The original plan for PAK-DA was that it will make its first flight in 2019 and begin service in 2023. The work on PAK-DA is said to be underway since 2011. The contract was awarded to Tupolev design bureau in 2014.

    It's hard to say how realistic (or indeed reasonable) is the plan to have all these modernization and new design and construction programs at the same time. The industry has its share of problems, so it should not surprise anyone if all dates will begin to "move to the right."

    http://russianforces.org/blog/2017/05/russias_ambitious_plans_for_st.shtml


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    Post  GarryB on Sun May 14, 2017 11:14 am

    In other words they are going to build a high tech factory for making strategic bombers and we are going to start by remaking the Tu-160 with modern materials and upgraded engines... we are going to likely make about 50 of them to create a viable force of strategic supersonic bombers.

    The problem is that supersonic bombers are not cheap to operate so when we have done that we will produce some cheaper to operate subsonic flying wing bombers called PAK DA in the same factory that will eventually replace the old Tu-160s and Tu-95s currently in service.

    Makes perfect rational sense to me.


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    Post  George1 on Fri Jun 02, 2017 4:25 pm

    MOSCOW, June 2. / TASS /. The defense industry began manufacturing the first units of the Tu-160 missile carrier, the production of which is being revived in Russia. This was stated by the head of the Russian military department, Army General Sergei Shoigu, during a conference call at the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.

    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/4306182


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    Russia hypersonic missiles on board TU-22 or even MIG29

    Post  gaurav on Thu Jun 08, 2017 4:47 pm

    Russian tu-160 upgrade


    Interfax wrote:Kazan. June 7. Interfax - developing a strategic missile carrier of the future - PAK DA (PAK DA) - should be held
    as much as weapons can be inconspicuous and use any airfields, he told reporters Russian Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov.
          "He should as long as possible barazhirovat, be on duty in the air, take off and land with almost any airfield, have a good load
    capacity to carry as many weapons to be inconspicuous. A requirement, for example, to the flight speed is not so relevant in the
    presence of new features in aircraft weapons ", - said Yu.Borisov at the Kazan aviation plant.
          According to him, time does not stand, the requirements for long-range aviation aircrafts are changing, growing characteristics
    of airborne weapons.
          "Rockets begin to shoot farther, faster, on the approach hypersound, so we do not put forward by the aircrafts perspective
    shape long-range aircraft such serious requirements for its flight performance
    ," - said Yu.Borisov.
          According to the deputy head of the military establishment, the PAK DA goes after the restoration of the Tu-160 with a new
    look. At the same time before the industry supplied the demand reuse of equipment and technological approaches to twice not
    to pay for pre-production and development.
          "The avionics, which we plan on Tu-160m2, has the most to migrate to the PAK DA. Naturally, aircraft hull and engines will
    be others, but where you can unify and save on training, we will do so in order to reduce the cost of these projects" - said Yu.Borisov.
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    Re: Tu-160 and Tu-95MS ( Blackjack and Bears )

    Post  GarryB on Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:42 am

    So the bolded bit basically says the new cruise missiles they are developing will be hypersonic so the aircraft carrying the missiles don't need to be hypersonic...


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    Post  George1 on Wed Jun 28, 2017 11:22 pm

    New capabilities of Tu-95MS with control systems from "Gefest"



    In another article by Alexei Ramm and Dmitry Litovkin, from today's issue of Izvestia you can find interesting material about the modernization of the Tu-95MS - the Bears will see the targets behind the enemy's rear. Russian strategic missile carriers are connected to a unique network-centric control system. "

    Russian strategic missile carriers Tu-95MS will be able to receive real-time coordinates of targets and immediately destroy them with a missile attack. Such an opportunity will be provided by the installation of a special computing subsystem of the SVP, developed and manufactured by Hephaestus and T. At present, the coordinates of the targets are laid in the memory of missiles at the airfield before the missile carrier ascends into the air. According to experts, the new system seriously increases the capabilities of Russian combat aviation to find and destroy targets in real time.

    The principle of the new system is quite simple. Servicemen on the ground with the help of a special terminal transmit the coordinates of the target to the aircraft. The onboard system of the SVP calculates all the parameters and puts the flight task into the head of the missile guidance. And the crew of the "Bear" can only run it.

    As "Izvestia" was told to the Defense Ministry, until recently the project of equipping the fleet of Tu-95MS with the SVP system was implemented by initiative of the company "Gefest and T". But now these works are included in the long-term plan for the development of Russian long-range aviation.

    In the company "Gefest and T" Izvestia confirmed that the work on equipping the Tu-95MS with the SVP system is underway. But they refrained from further comment.

    At present, the Russian SV-24M front-line bombers, Su-33 deck fighters, and the Tu-22M3 long-range bombers are equipped with a special computing subsystem of the SVP. In the troops, the updated planes are called "ogefeshennye". They showed a unique efficiency during the operation of the Russian Air and Space Forces in Syria.

    Thanks to the SVP, planes hit terrorist targets with conventional unguided bombs with precision not inferior to controlled airborne weapons. On the ground targets for bombers and fighters are found in the Special Operations Forces. On the electronic map, the soldiers indicate the point to be hit, as well as the target parameters. Then the information is transferred to the aircraft.

    According to independent military expert Anton Lavrov, SVP is often considered an ordinary sight. But in fact it is network-centric (when all participants are integrated into a single information system) an automated control system. In the SVP in real time, there is a continuous exchange of information between ground forces and aviation.

    "Currently, Russian military aerial reconnaissance vehicles use cruise missiles only on previously detected targets," said Anton Lavrov. - The SVP seriously increases the capabilities of Russian combat aviation to find and destroy targets in real time. Tu-95MS with SVP can be in the air for up to 30 hours and conduct combat patrols. At any time, his crew, at the request of ground troops, will strike high-precision strikes at a distance of up to 1,500 km.

    As noted by the expert, "Bears" are needed for operations, when the targets are very far from the airfields of Russian combat aircraft. Tu-95MS with SVPs will be especially useful for Russian military communications in local wars and armed conflicts of low intensity. Also, these machines will be able to effectively support the raids of special operations forces.

    Tu-95MS is an updated version of the Soviet strategic bomber Tu-95, adopted in service in the late 1950s. The car received a new wing, as well as more economical turboprop engines NK-12MP. The first flight of the MC was in 1979. And two years later their serial production began.

    Until 1992, about a hundred upgraded strategic missile carriers were launched. At present, the Armed Forces of Russia has 60 Tu-95MS. The range of the "Bear" flight without refueling in the air is more than 10 thousand km. Ammunition of the machine - eight cruise missiles Kh-555 or Kh-101.

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