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    Re: Tu-160 and Tu-95MS ( Blackjack and Bears )

    Post  hoom on Tue Nov 15, 2016 6:26 am

    Kazan Aviation plant has started re-learning how to make the main wing beam for Tu-160 http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2245553.html

    Google translate wrote:There was a unique equipment to work with the 20-meter monolithic slabs of varying thickness of titanium alloys, because of which made 38% of the construction of the Tu-160.

    "Backbone" of the bomber can be called the central titanium beam length of 12.4 m and a width of 2.1 m around which are grouped and other elements of the airframe. For example, at its hinge joints were hung wings. For the manufacture of the beam has been developed process of electron beam welding in a neutral atmosphere or in a vacuum. "Titan is known, is not brewed in the air - begins to burn, and does not extinguish it, so do it either in a vacuum or in a neutral environment, - told the" Online Business "Advisor to the Prime Minister of Tatarstan Nazir Kireev. - When welding everything must go very accurately - all calculated literally fractions of a millimeter. "

    The beam milled in two halves and welded in one piece in a vacuum chamber under spetsprisadkami and fluxes. In the scientific and popular literature states that this welding is so far it relates to the unique technologies and can be regarded as national priorities. "Such a welding time was only at the Kazan aircraft plant, and it appeared only in connection with the Tu-160

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    Re: Tu-160 and Tu-95MS ( Blackjack and Bears )

    Post  kopyo-21 on Tue Nov 15, 2016 4:35 pm

    Why have Soviet and Russia not designed the Kh-55/555/65 then Kh-101 missiles with internal fixed engine like Kalibre missile to reduce the drag and RCS? The dopped-out engine mechanism surely is more complicated and less dependable than internal fixed one.
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    Post  eehnie on Tue Nov 15, 2016 6:57 pm


    I expect Russia to resume the production of the Tu-160 as fast as possible. The Tu-160 continues being a key element of the Russian Aerospace Forces.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:58 am

    Why have Soviet and Russia not designed the Kh-55/555/65 then Kh-101 missiles with internal fixed engine like Kalibre missile to reduce the drag and RCS? The dopped-out engine mechanism surely is more complicated and less dependable than internal fixed one.

    The difference in radar cross section would be not important... especially when flying low and fast.

    External engine pods are more efficient than internal engines... which often need suction relief doors to get the required air capacity to the engine.

    the internal volume taken up with air intakes to feed a fixed internal motor would take up a lot of internal volume. Being able to drop the engine down into the slipstream makes it rather more efficient.


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    Post  kopyo-21 on Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:35 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Why have Soviet and Russia not designed the Kh-55/555/65 then Kh-101 missiles with internal fixed engine like Kalibre missile to reduce the drag and RCS? The dopped-out engine mechanism surely is more complicated and less dependable than internal fixed one.

    The difference in radar cross section would be not important... especially when flying low and fast.

    External engine pods are more efficient than internal engines... which often need suction relief doors to get the required air capacity to the engine.

    the internal volume taken up with air intakes to feed a fixed internal motor would take up a lot of internal volume. Being able to drop the engine down into the slipstream makes it rather more efficient.
    Thank you Garry.
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    Re: Tu-160 and Tu-95MS ( Blackjack and Bears )

    Post  hoom on Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:58 am

    Military Acceptance on Tu-160

    Really is a sexeh beast of a plane.
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    Post  KiloGolf on Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:32 pm

    hoom wrote:Military Acceptance on Tu-160

    Really is a sexeh beast of a plane.

    She's a beauty alright, Russians sure make them look good.
    Sexiest fighters (Flanker) and bombers (Blackjack) in-service globally imo russia
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    Post  franco on Sat Jan 21, 2017 2:31 am

    Kazan aviation plant is ready for serial production of modernized strategic bombers Tu-160m2, the first bomber is already in the construction phase.

    It is located in the capital of Tatarstan, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu reported to the company executives. As was noted, along with the construction of the first aircraft is already imported components for the assembly of these aircraft.
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    Earlier, during a conference call Defense Minister stressed that the task of updating the production of Tu-160m2 is under special control, and the stages of its implementation shall be reported on a weekly basis.

    The plant Shoigu also demonstrated the latest equipment machining and welding of large-size products from titanium alloys. The head of the Defense Ministry of the Russian Federation noted that the production assets of the enterprise, including machines should be updated and maintained to meet the level of problems to be solved. Identified deficiencies Minister promised to fix soon.

    In addition, as reported by RIA Novosti , Sergei Shoigu checked, both within the state defense order being repaired with the modernization of strategic missile carriers Tu-160 long-range bombers and Tu-22M3, and the construction of Tu-214 of various modifications for the armed forces. In the near future it is planned to transfer the second TU-214ON used for the implementation of the international agreement "Open Sky". One such machine is enrolled in the aerospace force Russia earlier.

    Recall the decision to resume production of the strategic bomber Tu-160 is a modernized version became known in 2015. According to plans of the Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation the serial production of Tu-160m2 is due to start in 2023, FSI should get at least 50 of these aircraft. Earlier, Chief of the Military Space Forces said that the first flight of the Tu-160m2 can be held at the end of 2018.
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    Re: Tu-160 and Tu-95MS ( Blackjack and Bears )

    Post  TheArmenian on Sat Jan 21, 2017 8:26 am

    franco wrote:Kazan aviation plant is ready for serial production of modernized strategic bombers Tu-160m2, the first bomber is already in the construction phase.

    It is located in the capital of Tatarstan, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu reported to the company executives. As was noted, along with the construction of the first aircraft is already imported components for the assembly of these aircraft.
    see also

    Earlier, during a conference call Defense Minister stressed that the task of updating the production of Tu-160m2 is under special control, and the stages of its implementation shall be reported on a weekly basis.

    The plant Shoigu also demonstrated the latest equipment machining and welding of large-size products from titanium alloys. The head of the Defense Ministry of the Russian Federation noted that the production assets of the enterprise, including machines should be updated and maintained to meet the level of problems to be solved. Identified deficiencies Minister promised to fix soon.

    In addition, as reported by RIA Novosti , Sergei Shoigu checked, both within the state defense order being repaired with the modernization of strategic missile carriers Tu-160 long-range bombers and Tu-22M3, and the construction of Tu-214 of various modifications for the armed forces. In the near future it is planned to transfer the second TU-214ON used for the implementation of the international agreement "Open Sky". One such machine is enrolled in the aerospace force Russia earlier.

    Recall the decision to resume production of the strategic bomber Tu-160 is a modernized version became known in 2015. According to plans of the Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation the serial production of Tu-160m2 is due to start in 2023, FSI should get at least 50 of these aircraft. Earlier, Chief of the Military Space Forces said that the first flight of the Tu-160m2 can be held at the end of 2018.

    Visit of Shoiguto the Kazan plant.

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    http://nortwolf-sam.livejournal.com/1730392.html
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    Post  eehnie on Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:20 pm

    Good news about the Tu-160. Here is why the production of the Tu-160 has been resumed while there is a development of the Tu-PAK-DA. Both projects have different timing.

    It is rare that the Tu-160 has not its own independent topic in the forum.
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    Post  George1 on Sat Jan 21, 2017 3:47 pm

    PAK DA's Precursor, Russian Tu-160M2 Bomber to Get Universal Anti-Missile Shield

    https://sputniknews.com/military/201701211049858468-tu-160m2-missile-defense-pak-da/


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    Post  George1 on Sun Jan 22, 2017 8:55 pm

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    Post  franco on Sat Feb 11, 2017 2:18 am

    Construction upgraded Tu-160 will begin in April
    Kazan aircraft plant will begin production in April, the latest version of the strategic missile carrier Tu-160m2, told RIA Novosti the head of the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC), Yuri Slusar.

    - In March, conduct a test process, and in April plots electron-beam welding, furnace and firing will begin production of the Tu-160 with a new look for the upgraded technology, - said Slusar at a meeting of the joint board of the Ministry of Economy and Industry and Trade of Tatarstan.

    The release of "classic" Tu-160 was discontinued in 2008. The key objective of the start of production of a new version of the missile was not just a restoration technologies create those or other units, but their modernization, highlighted in the KLA. In 2016, the corporation has completed the digitization project Tu-160m2, for its release of the Kazan aircraft plant equipment in the next few years will update at 40 percent.

    - The aim is to consider the possibility of increasing the production of aircraft in Kazan, which will require appropriate efforts to build our capacities - said Slusar.

    Tu-160 - a supersonic strategic bomber with variable sweep wing, the largest military aircraft in the world. It can fly at a speed twice the sound and carry up to 45 tons of bombs and missiles. The VKS plane was nicknamed the "White Swan". M2 version was updated avionics, improved engines, inertial navigation, a modern fire control system. "In practice, this will be a new aircraft in the old building," - said Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov. The military plans to purchase 50 submarines.

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    Re: Tu-160 and Tu-95MS ( Blackjack and Bears )

    Post  Rmf on Sat Feb 11, 2017 8:50 pm

    hoom wrote:Kazan Aviation plant has started re-learning how to make the main wing beam for Tu-160 http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2245553.html

    Google translate wrote:There was a unique equipment to work with the 20-meter monolithic slabs of varying thickness of titanium alloys, because of which made 38% of the construction of the Tu-160.

    "Backbone" of the bomber can be called the central titanium beam length of 12.4 m and a width of 2.1 m around which are grouped and other elements of the airframe. For example, at its hinge joints were hung wings. For the manufacture of the beam has been developed process of electron beam welding in a neutral atmosphere or in a vacuum. "Titan is known, is not brewed in the air - begins to burn, and does not extinguish it, so do it either in a vacuum or in a neutral environment, - told the" Online Business "Advisor to the Prime Minister of Tatarstan Nazir Kireev. - When welding everything must go very accurately - all calculated literally fractions of a millimeter. "

    The beam milled in two halves and welded in one piece in a vacuum chamber under spetsprisadkami and fluxes. In the scientific and popular literature states that this welding is so far it relates to the unique technologies and can be regarded as national priorities. "Such a welding time was only at the Kazan aircraft plant, and it appeared only in connection with the Tu-160
    they say that central body will be same for tu-160 and pak-da.

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Feb 11, 2017 10:15 pm

    Which is very strange because the centre body of the Tu-160 is made from a titanium box structure that is very very strong... it holds and supports the bits to allow the swing wing mechanism to work.

    I wonder if they are going to do a Fitter on us and have the PAK DA with partial swing wing to change the drag characteristics in different flight modes.

    A straight wing for takeoff and landing at low safe speeds and a swept wing for low drag higher speed cruise.

    The problem is that if it is subsonic then a swept wing is overkill in terms of weight and cost and complexity for such a minor improvement in speed via reduction in drag.

    Unless of course they want a straight wing flying wing and a swept wing super cruising bomber...

    This will be interesting.


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    Post  Singular_Transform on Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:18 pm

    http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/181506/tupolev-prepares-to-resume-tu_160m2-production.html

    Experts point to the significance of the fact and remind that the shop had been virtually wiped out following the collapse of the Soviet Union. The company admits that many of its facilities have been neglected, according to the BUSINESS Online news portal.

    The Kazan Aircraft Plant awarded two contracts for restoring the Tu-160 manufacturing equipment in March 2016. Both are to be carried out by March 30, 2017. Elektromekhanika in the city of Rzhev undertook to square the UVN-45 away for 948 million rubles ($16.5 million), while a subcontractor for rebuilding the ELU-24 was not selected at the time. According to the corporate newspaper, Rzhev-based NITI Progress has been selected for this job. It will be paid 710 million rubles ($12.3 million).


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    "The ELU unit is used for wing center section welding. There will be no upgraded Tu-160, unless we re-learn how to make the beam," a BUSINESS Online source in the aircraft industry says. "As is known, money allocated for the rebuilding the [ELU-24 and UVN-45] units is big. Will the job be done on time? It is hard to say, because the units have been out of repair seriously and for a long time, since the 1990 literally wrought havoc at the shop."
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    The ELU-24 and UVN-45 units are to be tested and accepted and the manufacture of the components of the main longitudinal beam and wing pivot assembly is to begin by March 30, 2017."

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    Re: Tu-160 and Tu-95MS ( Blackjack and Bears )

    Post  AlfaT8 on Sun Apr 09, 2017 6:47 pm

    Ok guys, i have been wondering if it's true that the Tu-95MSM can only launch 8 missiles, since the MSM is an upgrade from the MS-16 there would be no reason to remove the rotary launcher, yet i haven't found a source that could confirm this, they all mention the the 8 under-wing pylons, but no mention of whether the rotary launcher are still there, so can anyone clarify this issue?
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    Post  Militarov on Sun Apr 09, 2017 6:59 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:Ok guys, i have been wondering if it's true that the Tu-95MSM can only launch 8 missiles, since the MSM is an upgrade from the MS-16 there would be no reason to remove the rotary launcher, yet i haven't found a source that could confirm this, they all mention the the 8 under-wing pylons, but no mention of whether the rotary launcher are still there, so can anyone clarify this issue?

    Rotary launcher is still there.

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    Post  franco on Sun Apr 09, 2017 7:09 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:Ok guys, i have been wondering if it's true that the Tu-95MSM can only launch 8 missiles, since the MSM is an upgrade from the MS-16 there would be no reason to remove the rotary launcher, yet i haven't found a source that could confirm this, they all mention the the 8 under-wing pylons, but no mention of whether the rotary launcher are still there, so can anyone clarify this issue?

    Rotary launcher is still there.


    Have been wondering the same thing, the rotary launcher is still there but can it mount the new Kh101/102 as they are 1.4 meters longer then the Kh-55.

    EDIT: from this article it would seem the bomb bay is not large enough for the Kh101 http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-440.html


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    Post  Militarov on Sun Apr 09, 2017 7:13 pm

    franco wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:Ok guys, i have been wondering if it's true that the Tu-95MSM can only launch 8 missiles, since the MSM is an upgrade from the MS-16 there would be no reason to remove the rotary launcher, yet i haven't found a source that could confirm this, they all mention the the 8 under-wing pylons, but no mention of whether the rotary launcher are still there, so can anyone clarify this issue?

    Rotary launcher is still there.


    Have been wondering the same thing, the rotary launcher is still there but can it mount the new Kh101/102 as they are 1.4 meters longer then the Kh-55.

    Well, it is still there, but it might be kept to use KH-55 rather than KH-101. But that is just my personal belief.

    So they use KH-101/2 on external rackets and rotary launcher for KH-55.
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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Apr 09, 2017 11:43 pm

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    Post  AlfaT8 on Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:55 am

    JohninMK wrote:By shear coincidence we have this video and writeup

    https://southfront.org/russias-tu-95ms-bear-strategic-bomber-and-missile-carrier/

    Not a coincidence, i brought up this question up after noticing this issue in there report, i have yet to find a source that can clarify.
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    Post  franco on Mon Apr 10, 2017 2:00 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:By shear coincidence we have this video and writeup

    https://southfront.org/russias-tu-95ms-bear-strategic-bomber-and-missile-carrier/

    Not a coincidence, i brought up this question up after noticing this issue in there report, i have yet to find a source that can clarify.

    Did you read my link.
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Mon Apr 10, 2017 3:33 am

    franco wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:By shear coincidence we have this video and writeup

    https://southfront.org/russias-tu-95ms-bear-strategic-bomber-and-missile-carrier/

    Not a coincidence, i brought up this question up after noticing this issue in there report, i have yet to find a source that can clarify.

    Did you read my link.

    Woow, totally missed it, my bad. pwnd

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