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    Post  George1 on Fri Nov 20, 2015 5:05 pm

    The modernized Tu-95MS "Dubna"













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    Post  franco on Sat Nov 21, 2015 12:33 am

    So the Tu-160's flew north to Murmansk and then around Scandinavia, past the British Isles (caused panic) down the Atlantic past France and Spain. Then across the Mediterranean over which they launched their ALCM's before flying over Syria, Iraq and Iran. Then up across the Caspian home arriving after 16h 20 minutes and 9500 kilometers.
    Pretty damn impressive!

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    Post  JohninMK on Sat Nov 21, 2015 12:47 am

    franco wrote:So the Tu-160's flew north to Murmansk and then around Scandinavia, past the British Isles (caused panic) down the Atlantic past France and Spain. Then across the Mediterranean over which they launched their ALCM's before flying over Syria, Iraq and Iran. Then up across the Caspian home arriving after 16h 20 minutes and 9500 kilometers.
    Pretty damn impressive!  
    By the other direct to/from runs on the Eastern route they showed the 'short' way to do the trip.

    This trip was not needed nor no accident. By running it, the RuAF certainly made the point pretty emphatically that the US is not the only one with a fully operational long range strategic bomber force.

    There must be a few analysts in the Pentagon now having to change their view as to the operational effectiveness of the Tu-160 and even the venerable Tu-95.

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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sat Nov 21, 2015 1:20 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    franco wrote:So the Tu-160's flew north to Murmansk and then around Scandinavia, past the British Isles (caused panic) down the Atlantic past France and Spain. Then across the Mediterranean over which they launched their ALCM's before flying over Syria, Iraq and Iran. Then up across the Caspian home arriving after 16h 20 minutes and 9500 kilometers.
    Pretty damn impressive!  
    By the other direct to/from runs on the Eastern route they showed the 'short' way to do the trip.

    This trip was not needed nor no accident. By running it, the RuAF certainly made the point pretty emphatically that the US is not the only one with a fully operational long range strategic bomber force.

    There must be a few analysts in the Pentagon now having to change their view as to the operational effectiveness of the Tu-160 and even the venerable Tu-95.

    Probably the greenhorns, but the vets are having tears in their eyes and shaking their heads in joy, kinda like welcome back old friend. For many of these people the Soviet Union was the best enemy. Now all they do is crawling in the dirt trying to find Abu Al Assholi in his cave or give cookies to illiterate crime bosses and make them presidents of Utopian La La Lands.

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    Post  JohninMK on Sat Nov 21, 2015 1:30 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    franco wrote:So the Tu-160's flew north to Murmansk and then around Scandinavia, past the British Isles (caused panic) down the Atlantic past France and Spain. Then across the Mediterranean over which they launched their ALCM's before flying over Syria, Iraq and Iran. Then up across the Caspian home arriving after 16h 20 minutes and 9500 kilometers.
    Pretty damn impressive!  
    By the other direct to/from runs on the Eastern route they showed the 'short' way to do the trip.

    This trip was not needed nor no accident. By running it, the RuAF certainly made the point pretty emphatically that the US is not the only one with a fully operational long range strategic bomber force.

    There must be a few analysts in the Pentagon now having to change their view as to the operational effectiveness of the Tu-160 and even the venerable Tu-95.

    Probably the greenhorns, but the vets are having tears in their eyes and shaking their heads in joy, kinda like welcome back old friend. For many of these people the Soviet Union was the best enemy. Now all they do is crawling in the dirt trying to find Abu Al Assholi in his cave or give cookies to illiterate crime bosses and make them presidents of Utopian La La Lands.
    Those 'greenhorns' are probably in their late thirties/early forties so well up the power/experience tree. But I agree, the Soviets were a real, take seriously opponent.

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    Post  franco on Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:27 am

    franco wrote:So the Tu-160's flew north to Murmansk and then around Scandinavia, past the British Isles (caused panic) down the Atlantic past France and Spain. Then across the Mediterranean over which they launched their ALCM's before flying over Syria, Iraq and Iran. Then up across the Caspian home arriving after 16h 20 minutes and 9500 kilometers.
    Pretty damn impressive!  

    EDIT: Am also seeing the flight was 13,000 kilometers.

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Nov 21, 2015 1:07 pm

    Those 'greenhorns' are probably in their late thirties/early forties so well up the power/experience tree. But I agree, the Soviets were a real, take seriously opponent.

    I suspect what they really miss is an enemy with honour that generally played by the rules... someone they could respect on a professional level.


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    Post  George1 on Mon Nov 23, 2015 8:16 am

    Strategic aircraft with cruise missiles refueled at night



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    Post  x_54_u43 on Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:47 am

    Since we don't have a Tu-160M thread. Something I noticed on the latest ЗВЕЗДА release.



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    Post  Werewolf on Mon Nov 30, 2015 9:32 am

    That is a ramming peak.

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    Post  wilhelm on Mon Nov 30, 2015 9:35 am

    I watched that video on another forum last night where that new "bump" on the LERX was also noticed.
    I assume it is an electronic warfare antenna?

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    Post  Project Canada on Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:42 pm



    Are the Tu-160s in this video New Frames? if so, they started fresh production of Tu-160s?

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    Post  franco on Mon Nov 30, 2015 9:42 pm

    Project Canada wrote:

    Are the Tu-160s in this video New Frames? if so, they started fresh production of Tu-160s?

    No production yet.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue Dec 01, 2015 9:48 am

    [quote="franco"]
    Project Canada wrote: No production yet.

    Psl correct me if I am wrong but they say about deep modernization in this video - 8:20 journalist is saying about "first Tu-22 with label M" like minute before that only missiles no bombs anymore and only external looks remains.

    So a bit confusing indeed. Especially in the light of news below:

    KRET: avionics for Tu-160M2 will create by 2020
    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/2484527

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Dec 02, 2015 10:33 am

    Sounds like you are confusing the new M upgrades with new model Blackjacks.

    The Tu-22M3 is being upgraded to the Tu-22M3M level, while the Tu-160 is being upgraded to the Tu-160M and the standard Bear is going from Tu-95MS16 to the Tu-95MSM.

    From 2020 and later they might put the new production Tu-160M models into production and they will likely be called Tu-160M2.

    the purpose of the M upgrades is a unification of existing missiles (Kh-32, Kh-101/102 etc etc) and the ability to use a range of precision guided bombs and missiles including satellite guided bombs.

    Actually before the M upgrades to all these platforms most couldn't even drop a bomb on a point target... previously they were used to drop masses of bombs on area targets, so the aircraft being used in Syria will have had some form of upgrade already.


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    Post  Militarov on Wed Dec 02, 2015 3:18 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    franco wrote:
    Project Canada wrote: No production yet.

    Psl correct me if I am wrong but they say about deep modernization in this video - 8:20 journalist is saying about "first Tu-22 with label M"  like minute before that only missiles no bombs anymore and only external looks remains.

    So a bit confusing indeed. Especially in the light of news below:

    KRET: avionics for Tu-160M2 will create by 2020
    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/2484527

    M2 is future upgrate project/new production version. M is update being underway atm, well starting now.

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    Post  franco on Wed Dec 02, 2015 9:51 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    franco wrote:
    Project Canada wrote: No production yet.

    Psl correct me if I am wrong but they say about deep modernization in this video - 8:20 journalist is saying about "first Tu-22 with label M"  like minute before that only missiles no bombs anymore and only external looks remains.

    So a bit confusing indeed. Especially in the light of news below:

    KRET: avionics for Tu-160M2 will create by 2020
    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/2484527

    M2 is future upgrate project/new production version. M is update being underway atm, well starting now.

    franco wrote??
    when and where?

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    Post  George1 on Fri Dec 04, 2015 10:59 am

    Russia successfully tests new cruise missile launch system for strategic bombers

    YEKATERINBURG, December 4. /TASS/. Russia has successfully tested a system to launch long-range cruise missiles directly from strategic aircraft's weapons bays, the defense contractor Start, part of state hi-tech corporation Rostec, told TASS on Friday. "The [b]9A-829K3 multi-position launcher[/b] is designed for suspending, transporting and launching long-range cruise missiles directly from a plane’s weapons bays," the defense contractor said. wrote:


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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Dec 05, 2015 2:37 am





    Militarov wrote: M2 is future upgrate project/new production version. M is update being underway atm, well starting now.

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    GarryB wrote:the purpose of the M upgrades is a unification of existing missiles (Kh-32, Kh-101/102 etc etc) and the ability to use a range of precision guided bombs and missiles including satellite guided bombs.

    Actually before the M upgrades to all these platforms most couldn't even drop a bomb on a point target... previously they were used to drop masses of bombs on area targets, so the aircraft being used in Syria will have had some form of upgrade already.

    program host is actually stating that up to now Tu160 could use bombs and missiles and new one (i.e. M) will use only missiles 7:75


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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sat Dec 05, 2015 3:19 am

    George1 wrote:Russia successfully tests new cruise missile launch system for strategic bombers

    YEKATERINBURG, December 4. /TASS/. Russia has successfully tested a system to launch long-range cruise missiles directly from strategic aircraft's weapons bays, the defense contractor Start, part of state hi-tech corporation Rostec, told TASS on Friday.  "The [b]9A-829K3 multi-position launcher[/b] is designed for suspending, transporting and launching long-range cruise missiles directly from a plane’s weapons bays," the defense contractor said. wrote:

    So with this system, they can probably carry 9 missiles of the Kh-101/Kh-102 category in each weapons bay instead of 6.

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Dec 05, 2015 3:56 am

    program host is actually stating that up to now Tu160 could use bombs and missiles and new one (i.e. M) will use only missiles 7:75

    Then I think the host was confused or the translation was wrong.

    The Tu-160 could use unguided bombs and guided missiles in the form of land attack cruise missiles and self defence anti radiation/air defence penetration missiles (ie Kh-55, Kh-555, and Kh-15).

    The upgrade adds other guided missiles and also guided bombs.

    I suspect what he meant to say was that the old plane carried guided and unguided weapons but the new plane will only likely carry guided weapons... I can't think of any other Russian type that could carry the FOAB for example.

    Also the new weapon rack might enable the Blackjack to carry larger weapons like the FAB-3000, FAB-5000 and FAB-9000 as well as FOAB and as Morpheus mentions smaller weapons in larger numbers.

    I remember when they mentioned the Tu-160M upgrade they mentioned increasing payload from 40 tons to 45 tons...


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    Post  Berkut on Sat Dec 05, 2015 4:17 am

    Nonsense. The upgraded frames will not be able to use bombs at all, neither the host or translation is wrong. They even *removed* that capability, just look on the underside pics of some freshy modernized frames.

    What Tu-160M2 will be able to do is open to question.

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    Post  Militarov on Sat Dec 05, 2015 4:21 am

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    George1 wrote:Russia successfully tests new cruise missile launch system for strategic bombers

    YEKATERINBURG, December 4. /TASS/. Russia has successfully tested a system to launch long-range cruise missiles directly from strategic aircraft's weapons bays, the defense contractor Start, part of state hi-tech corporation Rostec, told TASS on Friday.  "The [b]9A-829K3 multi-position launcher[/b] is designed for suspending, transporting and launching long-range cruise missiles directly from a plane’s weapons bays," the defense contractor said. wrote:

    So with this system, they can probably carry 9 missiles of the Kh-101/Kh-102 category in each weapons bay instead of 6.

    "Tekhnodinamika has modified the rotator of the 9A-829K3 multiple weapons rack in 2015, which has raised its reliability through an increase in the rigidity of the rotator’s load-bearing parts. The performance of the 9A-829K3 remained unchanged. A multiple rotary launcher equipped with the advanced rotator had undergone standard tests with Start and the Makeyev State Rocket Center for a month and a half. Its rotator’s durability and its vibration resistance and vibration survival had been tested. The trials proved the viability of the design modifications to the 9A-829K3 rotary launcher," the press office said."

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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sat Dec 05, 2015 5:48 am

    Militarov wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    George1 wrote:Russia successfully tests new cruise missile launch system for strategic bombers

    YEKATERINBURG, December 4. /TASS/. Russia has successfully tested a system to launch long-range cruise missiles directly from strategic aircraft's weapons bays, the defense contractor Start, part of state hi-tech corporation Rostec, told TASS on Friday.  "The [b]9A-829K3 multi-position launcher[/b] is designed for suspending, transporting and launching long-range cruise missiles directly from a plane’s weapons bays," the defense contractor said. wrote:

    So with this system, they can probably carry 9 missiles of the Kh-101/Kh-102 category in each weapons bay instead of 6.

    "Tekhnodinamika has modified the rotator of the 9A-829K3 multiple weapons rack in 2015, which has raised its reliability through an increase in the rigidity of the rotator’s load-bearing parts. The performance of the 9A-829K3 remained unchanged. A multiple rotary launcher equipped with the advanced rotator had undergone standard tests with Start and the Makeyev State Rocket Center for a month and a half. Its rotator’s durability and its vibration resistance and vibration survival had been tested. The trials proved the viability of the design modifications to the 9A-829K3 rotary launcher," the press office said."

    Interesting. The original TASS report seemed to suggest that the rotary launcher was gone. That's why I assumed that if, in place of the rotary launcher, a successful method for suspending a 3X3 matrix of missiles can be implemented (similar to what they do for the bombs) then the load out for each weapons bay would reach 9.

    I am sure you are correct, as a 9A-829K3 designation probably just implies another mod of the 9A-829K series.


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    Post  x_54_u43 on Sat Dec 05, 2015 5:53 am

    Berkut wrote:Nonsense. The upgraded frames will not be able to use bombs at all, neither the host or translation is wrong. They even *removed* that capability, just look on the underside pics of some freshy modernized frames.

    What Tu-160M2 will be able to do is open to question.

    Sorry if I am incorrect, did they remove the optical systems? I am not able to search for the recently modernized Tu-160s at the moment.

    I wonder if we will see an expansion of the Tu-160's guided arsenal, I would love to see them stuff racks of Kh-59MK2s on there, after all, they are not exactly using the Kh-101 ranges to full extent.

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