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    Re: Tu-160 and Tu-95MS ( Blackjack and Bears )

    Post  George1 on Mon Dec 22, 2014 2:45 am

    Tu-160 b/n 18 has finally acquired a personal name, "Andrei Tupolev", after completing modernization at KAPO.

    It means that all operational Tu-160 now have a name.

    - 02 Vasily Reshetnikov
    - 03 Pavel Taran
    - 04 Ivan Yarygin
    - 05 Aleksandr Golovanov
    - 06 Ilya Muromets
    - 07 Aleksandr Molodchy
    - 08 Vitaly Kopylov
    - 10 Nikolai Kuznetsov
    - 11 Vasily Senko
    - 12 Aleksandr Novikov
    - 14 Igor Sikorsky
    - 15 Vladimir Sudets
    - 16 Aleksey Plokhov
    - 17 Valery Chkalov
    - 18 Andrei Tupolev
    - 19 Valentin Bliznyuk (test bomber)
    - 342 Boris Veremey (test bomber)

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    Post  Firebird on Mon Dec 22, 2014 12:08 pm

    George1 wrote:Tu-160 b/n 18 has finally acquired a personal name, "Andrei Tupolev", after completing modernization at KAPO.

    It means that all operational Tu-160 now have a name.

    - 02 Vasily Reshetnikov
    - 03 Pavel Taran
    - 04 Ivan Yarygin
    - 05 Aleksandr Golovanov
    - 06 Ilya Muromets
    - 07 Aleksandr Molodchy
    - 08 Vitaly Kopylov
    - 10 Nikolai Kuznetsov
    - 11 Vasily Senko
    - 12 Aleksandr Novikov
    - 14 Igor Sikorsky
    - 15 Vladimir Sudets
    - 16 Aleksey Plokhov
    - 17 Valery Chkalov
    - 18 Andrei Tupolev
    - 19 Valentin Bliznyuk (test bomber)
    - 342 Boris Veremey (test bomber)

    Does anyone know how many could reasonably be put into service or even built, without major hassles like a new production line being needed?

    PS I also wonder what the TU-22 range would be if it had modifications (eg breaching any old treaty regulations). Could it be suitable for strikes, say on the US interior eg over the Atlantic/N Pole or Pacific?

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    Post  a89 on Mon Dec 22, 2014 4:44 pm

    Does anyone know how many could reasonably be put into service or even built, without major hassles like a new production line being needed?

    I think all the half finished aircraft were completed a while ago... it would take years to set up production line again.

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Dec 23, 2014 9:16 am

    to build a Tu-160 from scratch now would be very very expensive... that is why they are developing the PAK DA. If they could produce more Tu-160s then the PAK DA wouldn't be so urgent.

    there is a central forging of aluminium that is huge and is necessary for the swing wing configuration of the Blackjack... it was made in the Ukraine but even if the factory that made it was still operational that would not be an option.

    Regarding the inflight refuelling capability of the Backfire.... that is interesting... armed with 8 Kh-101s externally it could certainly threaten all of Europe and most of north america from Russian bases.

    With inflight refuelling they could reach even further.

    The introduction of upgrades for the Bear, backfire, and blackjack that include a wide range of smart weapons I am looking forward to seeing them used in the tactical role of persistent ground support with potentially super heavy weapons.

    The PAK DA when it arrives should cost the same as the Bear to operate, but be better able to penetrate enemy airspace than the Blackjack and carry a heavier load than all three aircraft.


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    Post  George1 on Tue Dec 23, 2014 5:32 pm

    Obviously he means modernized Tu-160s

    "In 2015, the long-range aviation will receive six Tu-160. In addition, we will bring the number of Tu-95 to 43 units, "- said Bondarev.

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Dec 24, 2014 9:30 am

    They have said before that they had upgraded the Tu-160s, so I wonder if this new upgrade is just new engines and a few minor tweeks to the systems... that would explain how they could upgrade 6 planes in one year... perhaps limited by the number of new upgraded engines they have produced so far.

    Will be interesting to see what sort of improvements these new engines can offer the aircraft... increased range/speed/reliability/lower fuel consumption/lower operating costs...







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    Post  George1 on Thu Jan 29, 2015 11:27 pm

    Russia's Defense Ministry has received another bomber Tu-95MS

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    Post  Viktor on Tue Feb 03, 2015 10:45 pm

    Two more in 2015 thumbsup

    Two "White Swan" Tu-160 upgrade in 2015

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    Post  George1 on Sat Mar 07, 2015 1:43 pm

    Modernized Tu-95MS in Engels

    On the web-site appeared russianplanes.net, Photo famous combatant strategic bomber Tu-95MS (tail number "red 10" registration number RF-94128, the name "Saratov") the Russian Air Force, equipped with highly visible new four double nodes external suspension to accommodate strategic cruise missiles, air-launched a new type. This is the first picture of the modernized Tu-95MS bombers equipped to carry the new cruise missiles, in Engels stationed there as part of the aviation group Air Base Command of long-range aviation.


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    Post  George1 on Wed Mar 11, 2015 5:42 pm

    Sergey Shoygu: Russia to expand patrol areas of strategic bombers
    Russian Aviaton » Wednesday March 11, 2015 16:59 MSK

    Russian strategic bombers to start patrolling new areas in the network of cooperation with allies, TASS reports with reference to Russian Minister of Defense General of the Army Sergey Shoygu.

    The minister reminded that Russian aircraft are constantly on duty and protecting the state borders in different regions.

    “I must admit that the flights are performed on regular basis and we are not going to change that,” the minister stated.

    “In future we are going to start patrolling new areas under agreements with our allies in other countries of the world,” Shoygu added.

    He reminded that in February Tu-95MS strategic bombers performed flights above Barents Sea and Norwegian Sea as well as northeast part of the Atlantic. In particular, the aircraft performed aerial refueling. It was reported earlier that during this flight British Typhoon fighters escorted the Russian bombers.

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    Post  George1 on Tue Mar 17, 2015 11:21 pm

    Russia to upgrade ten strategic bombers Tu-95MS in 2015-2016

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    Post  George1 on Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:46 pm

    Russia’s strategic aviation begins exercise featuring missile carrying cruisers, bombers

    MOSCOW, April 1. /TASS/. A headquarters exercise has begun on a major base of Russia’s strategic aviation in the city of Engels, Saratov region in the Middle Volga area, Colonel Igor Klimov, the chief public relations officer of the Russian Air Force told reporters on Wednesday.

    Engaged in the exercise are the strategic missile carrying cruisers Tupolev-160 (Blackjack) and Tupolev-95MS (Bear), long-distance missile-carrying strike bombers Tupolev-22M3 (Backfire), the early warning and control aircraft A-50 (Mainstay), the Sukhoi-27 and MiG-31 fighter jets, as well as Antonov-12 airlifters and Mi-8 helicopters.

    All in all, the exercise involves more than twenty aircraft.

    The program includes simulation of redeployment of the Tupolev-160, Tupolev-95MS and Tupolev-22M3, aerial reconnaissance, penetration through air defence barriers, coordination with friendly fighter jets for scouting operations, and refueling in midair.

    In addition to this, the pilots will do practical and tactical launches of missiles at designated targets placed on the Pemboi and Kura testing ranges that are located in the Komi region in the north of European Russian and in Kamchatka respectively.

    The Antonov-12 (Cub) airlifters and Mi-8 (Hip) helicopters are engaged in the exercise to ensure search and rescue operations.

    All in all, more than fifty sorties will be made. The chief of Russia’s strategic aviation, Lieutenant General Anatoly Zhikharev is supervising the exercise.

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    Russia to Renew Production of Tu-160 'Blackjack' Strategic Bomber

    Post  Honesroc on Wed Apr 29, 2015 1:24 pm

    No details aside from Shoigu's general announcement. Interesting news here...

    Russia to Renew Production of Tu-160 'Blackjack' Strategic Bomber

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    Post  George1 on Wed Apr 29, 2015 1:33 pm

    Honesroc wrote:No details aside from Shoigu's general announcement. Interesting news here...

    Russia to Renew Production of Tu-160 'Blackjack' Strategic Bomber

    i remember that the same intention had been announced in 2007-2008 but then wasn't implemented. Then they had spoken about 1 aircraft delivered per year.
    I think its a logic move to resume Tu-160 production, this aircraft could take over only the tactical bomber role while the PAK-DA will be the strategic nuclear bomber. Lets see

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    Post  zg18 on Wed Apr 29, 2015 4:31 pm

    George1 wrote:
    Honesroc wrote:No details aside from Shoigu's general announcement. Interesting news here...

    Russia to Renew Production of Tu-160 'Blackjack' Strategic Bomber

    i remember that the same intention had been announced in 2007-2008 but then wasn't implemented. Then they had spoken about 1 aircraft delivered per year.
    I think its a logic move to resume Tu-160 production, this aircraft could take over only the tactical bomber role while the PAK-DA will be the strategic nuclear bomber. Lets see

    IMHO it is other way around , PAK-DA is more replacement for Tu-22M3. Tu-160 is unique platform and should be back in production , it gives Russia strategic advantage that should not be tossed lightly.

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    Post  AbsoluteZero on Wed Apr 29, 2015 5:22 pm

    I read somewhere in the past that Tu-160 production wont be possible because a plant responsible for building critical components (vacum tubes?) for the aircraft has been privatized and dismantled in the 90s?

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Apr 29, 2015 8:34 pm

    AbsoluteZero wrote:I read somewhere in the past that Tu-160 production wont be possible because a plant responsible for building critical components (vacum tubes?) for the aircraft has been privatized and dismantled in the 90s?

    I believe GarryB said that 'spine' of the airframe was built in Ukraine, an likely their going to build whole new production facilities with modern and more efficient domestic machine tools. I posted an article a while back from Rostec, stating that renovating the domestic machine tool industry should increase aerospace production capability by 4.5 times:

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t1920p990-vvs-news-photos#65243

    It should be noted that the NK-321 engine on the Tu-160 will be modernized with 5-Gen technology, slated for the PAK-DA, though it's likely that they won't have thr same exact NK-321 engine, likely the Tu-160's version will be optimized for exhaust speed (obviously for maximum speed) while the engine for the PAK-DA likely will be optimized for maximum thrust (for maximum payload and endurance).

    It's also likely the new Tu-160's will be a test bed for technologies slated for the PAK-DA, like the Su-35 was for the PAK-FA.

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    Post  medo on Wed Apr 29, 2015 9:07 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    AbsoluteZero wrote:I read somewhere in the past that Tu-160 production wont be possible because a plant responsible for building critical components (vacum tubes?) for the aircraft has been privatized and dismantled in the 90s?

    I believe GarryB said that 'spine' of the airframe was built in Ukraine, an likely their going to build whole new production facilities with modern and more efficient domestic machine tools. I posted an article a while back from Rostec, stating that renovating the domestic machine tool industry should increase aerospace production capability by 4.5 times:

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t1920p990-vvs-news-photos#65243

    It should be noted that the NK-321 engine on the Tu-160 will be modernized with 5-Gen technology, slated for the PAK-DA, though it's likely that they won't have thr same exact NK-321 engine, likely the Tu-160's version will be optimized for exhaust speed (obviously for maximum speed) while the engine for the PAK-DA likely will be optimized for maximum thrust (for maximum payload and endurance).

    It's also likely the new Tu-160's will be a test bed for technologies slated for the PAK-DA, like the Su-35 was for the PAK-FA.

    Agree. New, deeply modernized Tu-160 could be a step in development of new PAK DA.

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    Post  Firebird on Wed Apr 29, 2015 9:39 pm

    The Tu-160 was a terrific plane for when it was built, and a terrific plane today.
    It always puzzled me, the suggestion that Tu-160 development would be a dead end ie that everything would revert to a subsonic Pak Fa.

    I wonder what could be done with a truly cutting edge Tu-160?
    In the same way that the Pak Fa is a gigantic development of the Su-35.

    It would be interesting to see how it could have enhanced stealth and supercruising etc.
    Perhaps greatly enhanced fuel economy too. If the fuselage could be broadened (to look like a Tu-244 concept), it could even be turned into an ultra rapid reaction cargo plane.

    I also wonder how many enhanced or even next gen Tu-160s could be built.
    The 15 or so units just sound rather expensive. Because you get fixed costs to build one, and then an economy of scale as you produce bigger numbers.

    Finally, it was interesting to learn that its NOT engine power that limits the speed. Its actually the heat that accumulates on the airframe. I wonder how much that could be solved today.

    Perhaps one use for the Tu-160 next gen would be as a drone carrier? ie supersonic drones.

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    Post  Cyberspec on Thu Apr 30, 2015 12:13 am

    Honesroc wrote:No details aside from Shoigu's general announcement. Interesting news here...

    Russia to Renew Production of Tu-160 'Blackjack' Strategic Bomber

    Wow...what a bombshell  Surprised Xmass is coming early this year Very Happy

    Coming from Shoigu I suppose makes it more plausible.

    George1 wrote:Russian Defense Ministry will receive the initial batch production of upgraded engines NK-32 to re-engine strategic bomber Tu-160 at the end of 2016.

    I would say a lot would depend on whether they re-start engine production


    zg18 wrote:IMHO it is other way around , PAK-DA is more replacement for Tu-22M3. Tu-160 is unique platform and should be back in production , it gives Russia strategic advantage that should not be tossed lightly.

    I would tend to lean that way too. Although we don't know much about the PAK-DA


    Firebird wrote:I wonder what could be done with a truly cutting edge Tu-160?

    A lot Smile



    1. It would be interesting to see how it could have enhanced stealth and supercruising etc.

    2. Perhaps greatly enhanced fuel economy too.

    3. If the fuselage could be broadened (to look like a Tu-244 concept), it could even be turned into an ultra rapid reaction cargo plane.
    4. Perhaps one use for the Tu-160 next gen would be as a drone carrier? ie supersonic drones.


    1. Reduced signature - Yes ....Stealth - No

    2. Almost certainly

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    I also wonder how many enhanced or even next gen Tu-160s could be built.

    They might have some left over fuselages kicking around somewhere....so maybe not such a big number  dunno

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    Post  TR1 on Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:18 am

    Shaigu blowing smoke out of his ass.

    MiG-31 production is likelier to restart than this. Neither realistically will happen.

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    Post  Manov on Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:49 am

    Nah, it will be back in glory, modernized versions along pak da in the future. Shoigu its not like Rogozin, he has more credibility. Lets wait and see.

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    Post  TheArmenian on Thu Apr 30, 2015 3:01 am

    TR1 wrote:Shaigu blowing smoke out of his ass.

    MiG-31 production is likelier to restart than this. Neither realistically will happen.

    There are 3 unfinished Tu-160 airframes in Kazan (Gorbunov) plant (decade old information that I have).

    There are also a number of unfinished MiG-31 airframes in Sokol (nizhni-Novgorod) plant.

    When Shoigu or anyone else talks about restarting production, they are talking about finishing these airframes. Unlikely that they will build new old-model planes from scratch.

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    Post  TR1 on Thu Apr 30, 2015 3:14 am

    Pretty sure they already finished off the available unfinished airframes.

    IIRC the only possible source of more birds is a test article or two owned by Tupolev...but I think that has been flogged and isn't a serial unit in any case.


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    Post  TheArmenian on Thu Apr 30, 2015 4:03 am

    TR1 wrote:Pretty sure they already finished off the available unfinished airframes.

    IIRC the only possible source of more birds is a test article or two owned by Tupolev...but I think that has been flogged and isn't a serial unit in any case.


    Nope, they have not finished off the unfinished ones. There was a video about those unfinished MiG-31s in Sokol a few months ago ago (can't find it now).
    And nope, the unfinished Tupolev airframes I am talking about are not test articles.

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