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    Re: "Almaz-Antey" Concern

    Post  sepheronx on Sat Jul 23, 2016 8:23 am

    Question, mostly to the experts here like Viktor and Medo:

    It was said that the reason for delay of the Gorshkov frigate is due to the anti air system Redut which is a navilized variant of S-400. According to the representative that complained about it, they stated the condition of the plant that produces it - Fakel. Now, Fakel is the one who has made the S-400 which is a highly regarded, successful system feared by most and tested thoroughly with high success. The plants condition though was apparently quite sad that majority of equipment is old. Now I am not sure what exactly they make. Who makes the radar and fire control systems for Poliment Redut system in Almaz Antey? Because if all other missile types of failed, it leads me to believe it isn't the missiles themselves (so in this case, not Fakel) but another division who is making the fire control systems and the radar. Now I understand it is all due to using new technology (AESA radars for the ship as example) but what is the real cause to the failures?

    Wish TR-1 was still here, he may have had answers.
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    Re: "Almaz-Antey" Concern

    Post  GarryB on Sat Jul 23, 2016 12:06 pm

    Keep in mind that there were problems with the naval TOR system.

    The land based TOR system has a very very sophisticated 3D search radar and also a very capable tracking radar that allows rather small fast objects to be engaged accurately... including bombs and weapons.

    The Udaloy class ship was in service for some time before it got the full radar system for its Klinok SAM system...


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    Re: "Almaz-Antey" Concern

    Post  Viktor on Thu Aug 18, 2016 5:09 pm

    Interesting article - a bit about everything

    The loss of confidence, followed by reduction
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    Re: "Almaz-Antey" Concern

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Aug 18, 2016 6:59 pm

    Viktor wrote:Interesting article - a bit about everything

    The loss of confidence, followed by reduction

    Your article claims that 40N6 isn't in service yet but that is bullshit since we seen 40N6 some years ago. As well, it states 9m96 missiles are barely reliable, which is junk because it has undergone tests for years and it was brought into service for the very reason of its success. They wouldn't have placed it in Syria if that was the case.

    As well, claims that there are issues with S-500 but we know it will be shown (public or private) at arms expo.

    I kind of question this article and its sources. Palmas antey for most part has been quite successful and only has had a few snags, mostly in naval tech.
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    Re: "Almaz-Antey" Concern

    Post  kvs on Fri Aug 19, 2016 5:52 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    Viktor wrote:Interesting article - a bit about everything

    The loss of confidence, followed by reduction

    Your article claims that 40N6 isn't in service yet but that is bullshit since we seen 40N6 some years ago.  As well, it states 9m96 missiles are barely reliable, which is junk because it has undergone tests for years and it was brought into service for the very reason of its success. They wouldn't have placed it in Syria if that was the case.

    As well, claims that there are issues with S-500 but we know it will be shown (public or private) at arms expo.

    I kind of question this article and its sources.  Palmas antey for most part has been quite successful and only has had a few snags, mostly in naval tech.

    lenta.ru is a liberast website dishing out news geared towards downplaying Russian achievements and hoaxing up Russian failures.
    We never get a comparative analysis from these 5th column clowns as to how western missile manufacturers perform. There is zero
    information about any problems and that is not because there are none (that is physically impossible), it is because there is nobody
    to bleat about them. This creates the absurd myth that US/NATO technology is godlike and beyond anything that Russia can hope
    to achieve.

    If you look at the missile designs that came out in the last 10-15 years they are incredible. They are world class and even second to
    none and were developed under horrendous economic conditions including the loss of skilled workers. Not a single freaking western
    manufacturer had to endure such conditions.
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    Re: "Almaz-Antey" Concern

    Post  sepheronx on Fri Aug 19, 2016 7:32 am

    I tend to agree.  Although, some things that were mentioned in the article makes sense and some do not.  Particularly the 40N6.  It has indeed undergone various testings over the years but no firm orders were confirmed, and it was stated by sputnik last year during a test of the 40N6 (being successful) that currently range for S-400 is 250km which would indicate the he is talking about 48N6 missiles which average 250km.  I asked on another forums where a former member from here was and he stated that according to General Director of Avangard Plant (Kohzin) that the 48N6 in ideal conditions can go as far as 320km in terms of range thus that in reality there really isn't a whole large need for 40N6 currently.  Although, I am not a judge of what Russia needs/doesnt need.  But I am under the assumption that the 40N6 is more than ready, but may not be produced in the numbers we may think they need, due to how close S-500 is for its longer range missiles and that may be given priority. http://nvo.ng.ru/armament/2012-04-27/1_oproverjenie.html

    Also, to add to it, Almaz Antey has indeed opened two newer plants as far as I am concerned, and they are being targeted for development of these newer missiles (also be the ones to manufacture the 77N6 missiles for S-500) and for Nudol.  So I figure that they are waiting for possibility of full implementation of the plants before they make an order.

    Also, translation could be lost and it is just stupid journalism.  There isn't any say on what issues they speak of for 9M96 missiles.  The only issue that I was able to find regarding 9M96 was issues for the Gorshkov's under Redut/Polimont system.  And even then, after reading through (god forbid) National Review, it turned out that it really is just the long range variant that is having issues and no other type of missile is (so the 150km 9M96 missile) and that is what is forcing back the ship.  They generally blame Fakel plant and Almaz Antey CEO.  After this review, they decided to can the head manager.

    There is of course good news and bad news to it regarding the Lenta article.  First off - it states that Nudol is considered on track or at least showing promise due to the mentioned tests.  S-500 is undergoing problems but it never states what, so that one can be thrown away as nothing but rumors till we know more.  We are supposedly to see S-500 coming up in September.  Morpheus is taking its time due to Radar system and S-350 (Knight) has apparently undergone tests already so that means it should be debuting quite soon.

    I would indeed take what is said in the Lenta article with a grain of Salt.  But there is some truth to it, but probably more or less exaggerated.  It seems to really point the blame strictly at Fakel plant.  No word or issues with long range SAM 48N6 as example and that is a top notch missile.  Same with S-300V4's 9M82 and 83 missiles which have massive range as well.  Those are going as planned.
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    Re: "Almaz-Antey" Concern

    Post  medo on Fri Aug 19, 2016 10:52 am

    I think, there is a lot of journalism BS regarding problems with long range 9M96 missiles in Redut/Poliment in Gorshkov frigate. It is quite easy to see, where problem is, but not so easy to solve it. All 9M96 missiles work fine and are operational with S-400 and if I am correct with S-300PMU2 as well. Problem is with data link midguidance. Those missiles are ARH, not SARH, where tracking radar paint the target or radio guided, where radio guidance guide the missile. With shorter range 9M96 there is not such problem as missile itself lock the target soon after launch and data link mid guidance is not needed, but long range missile need it to bring the missile in the position to lock the target by its ARH head.

    I have no doubt, that long range 9M96 missile on Gorshov work fine, when all other complexes are off. But the point of tests is, that all complexes are on and there is most probably interference of other complexes with mid course guidance data link. This is a totally new equipment on the Russian ship, which they didn't have before as well as other data links for C4ISR, ECM complexes, etc. It is quite a problem, when more complexes work in the same band and very close in frequencies and with that interfere each others signal. Considering, that not all of this equipment is from Almaz-Antey, it take quite a lot of time to solve it, specially, when all those complexes are so near to each other on the same mast and that they could not change other complexes. They have to change mid curse guidance data link on the ship, but also on the missiles, because with diferences in data link the old missile could not connect with it.
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    Re: "Almaz-Antey" Concern

    Post  Viktor on Fri Aug 19, 2016 6:31 pm

    I would not worry to much about the reports on workable or not-workable missiles of this or that system - most of those systems are still in development and while

    some of it goes smoothly some of it wont and will be delayed so wheather it is true or not is unimportant from my point of view because it will work a year sooner or latter

    at the end it does not matter.

    But if true that A-225 called Nudol is mobile as we have seen by more and more articles its revolutionary !!! Laughing Laughing Laughing

    It would mark a first anti-ballistic MOBILE system in the world - togeather with S-500 and quantum comunications - it would be insane Very Happy

    Also what is important is that the work on S-300V4 modernization is ongoing as Almaz-Antey report from 2013 I think mentiones S-3500 ... madness !

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    Re: "Almaz-Antey" Concern

    Post  George1 on Fri Nov 04, 2016 12:00 am

    Mikhail Fradkov heads "Almaz-Antey"

    November 2, 2016, former Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Mikhail Fradkov, since 2007 head of the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service, has been appointed Chairman of the Board of Directors of JSC "Concern Aerospace Defense" Almaz-Antey "(part of the State Corporation "Rostec"). In addition, Mikhail Fradkov from January 2017 will lead the Russian Institute of Strategic Studies (RISS).

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2228042.html


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    Re: "Almaz-Antey" Concern

    Post  George1 on Tue Nov 29, 2016 4:16 am

    MOSCOW, November 28. /TASS/. Russia’s arms manufacturing concern Almaz-Antey has started developing a new generation medium-range missile system, the concern’s CEO Yan Novikov has said.

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    http://tass.com/defense/915045


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