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    Re: Ka-226 and Kazan Ansat LUHs

    Post  George1 on Fri Aug 28, 2015 1:47 pm

    Supply of 40 "Ansat-U" helicopters to the Russian Air Force to be completed in 2016



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    Re: Ka-226 and Kazan Ansat LUHs

    Post  George1 on Fri Aug 28, 2015 1:54 pm

    "Helicopters of Russia" develop SAR version of "Ansat"


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    Re: Ka-226 and Kazan Ansat LUHs

    Post  George1 on Thu Oct 15, 2015 2:02 pm

    Alexander Zverev innovator intends to revive the issue of the Ka-26 with fundamentally new piston engines.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1524936.html



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    Re: Ka-226 and Kazan Ansat LUHs

    Post  George1 on Tue Nov 10, 2015 10:27 pm

    Ministry of Industry: "ANSAT" helicopter must get a Russian engine


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    Re: Ka-226 and Kazan Ansat LUHs

    Post  George1 on Wed Dec 30, 2015 5:54 pm

    VIP-certified helicopter modification "ANSAT"


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    Ansat-2RC Recon Helicopter

    Post  d_taddei2 on Sun May 01, 2016 11:22 pm

    Isos wrote:They should design a gunship version with 2 heavy machines or grenade lunchers on both side and better armourd. A lot of country would buy it for anti guerilla role. They could complete Mi 28 and Ka 52 too.

    Russia needs some of these machines. The Mi-8/17 are pretty big for that role.

    yeah it would be good to see this in armed version, however the for small light attack heli they have the Ansat 2RC, which would be armed with 12.7mm guns, and 4 hard points to carry rockets, bombs, and small anti air missiles. its not that much smaller really.

    http://www.military-today.com/helicopters/ansat_2rc.htm








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    Re: Ka-226 and Kazan Ansat LUHs

    Post  George1 on Sun May 22, 2016 2:09 am

    "Technodynamics" develops engines for light helicopters

    Holding "Τechnodynamics" State Corporation "Rostec" on May 20, 2016 during the exhibition Helirussia-2016 announced the start of work on the family of the main engines for the TD-700 light helicopters in Moscow. They are expected to replace the existing engines manufactured by Pratt & Whitney and Turbomeca helicopter "ANSAT" and Ka-226T.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1914658.html


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    Re: Ka-226 and Kazan Ansat LUHs

    Post  sepheronx on Sun May 22, 2016 2:17 am

    If this is the case, then these engines may end up what is needed for Ka-60?
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    Re: Ka-226 and Kazan Ansat LUHs

    Post  GarryB on Sun May 22, 2016 9:03 am

    The engines for Ka-60 were in the 1,300hp power range, so these engines are a little small.

    they were talking about developing a whole new family range of engines for helicopters and transport aircraft from very big to small... and they have clearly developed very small engines for various cruise missile designs too.

    I suspect they know what they are doing.


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    Re: Ka-226 and Kazan Ansat LUHs

    Post  TheArmenian on Sun May 22, 2016 9:16 am

    sepheronx wrote:If this is the case, then these engines may end up what is needed for Ka-60?
    Nope. These are too small and don't create enough power for the Ka-60.
    Try again.
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    Re: Ka-226 and Kazan Ansat LUHs

    Post  Werewolf on Sun May 22, 2016 7:46 pm

    They would need something like VK-1700 series of engines, but way to go to market such product which they have showed little interest to research and produce such product yet. Slim market share for such engines Klimov has that is why they are not gambling on such class of helicopters.
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    Re: Ka-226 and Kazan Ansat LUHs

    Post  sepheronx on Sun May 22, 2016 8:27 pm

    Werewolf wrote:They would need something like VK-1700 series of engines, but way to go to market such product which they have showed little interest to research and produce such product yet. Slim market share for such engines Klimov has that is why they are not gambling on such class of helicopters.

    Makes sense. Thanks.
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    Re: Ka-226 and Kazan Ansat LUHs

    Post  George1 on Mon Dec 26, 2016 5:37 am

    Plans for the organization of the production of the Ka-226T helicopters in Ulan-Ude

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2345926.html


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    Re: Ka-226 and Kazan Ansat LUHs

    Post  George1 on Sat Jul 08, 2017 5:14 am

    The Russian Ministry of Defense ordered ten more Ansat-U helicopters

    According to the information posted on the state purchases website, on June 5, 2017, the Russian Defense Ministry concluded a contract with PJSC Kazan Helicopter Plant (KVZ, part of the Russian Helicopters JSC) for the supply of ten Ansat-U training helicopters. The cost of the contract is 2.075438 billion rubles. The delivery should be made by December 31, 2017.

    On the bmpd side, we recall that to date the Russian Ministry of Defense has purchased 40 Ansat-U helicopters (alleged serial numbers from 33028 to 33067). Under the first contract, the KVZ supplied the Russian Air Force with eight Ansat-U helicopters, including six in 2009 and two in 2010. Then, on March 1, 2011, the Ministry of Defense signed a contract with KVZ to supply 32 Ansat-U vehicles starting from 2011. The contract price of one Ansat-U helicopter under this contract was 127.72246 million rubles without VAT. Under this contract, five Ansat-U helicopters were delivered by the Russian Air Force in 2011, six in 2012, 2013, 2014 and 2015, and three in 2016.

    Of the delivered Ansat-U helicopters, the first three helicopters (28, 29 and 30 onboard numbers) built in 2009 are located in the training center of the army aviation in Torzhok, and 37 more vehicles have been included in the training aviation group since 2010 At the airfield Sokol (Saratov region) Syzran branch of the military educational and scientific center VKS "Air Force Academy named after professor NE Zhukovsky and YA Gagarin" (onboard numbers from "31.") In 2015, two helicopters Ansat "U" were transferred from Syzran to the 800th Special Purpose Air Base (now the 8th Aviation Ion task division) in the suburban airfield Tchkalovsky, then succeeding board numbers from "59" and "60" for respectively "259" and "260".

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2717487.html


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    Re: Ka-226 and Kazan Ansat LUHs

    Post  Singular_Transform on Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:24 am

    Cost of Bell 429 is 7.5 million USD.

    Means the "helicopter exchange rate" is 26 rouble for one dollar.

    However Slovakia paid 150 million for 9 pcs of Bell 429.


    That is full package, it means 16.66 million usd unit price.

    that means 12 RUB/USD exchange rate.

    http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/183289/slovakia-cleared-to-buy-nine-bell-429-helos-for-%24150m.html
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    Re: Ka-226 and Kazan Ansat LUHs

    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:35 pm

    GarryB wrote:The engines for Ka-60 were in the 1,300hp power range, so these engines are a little small.

    they were talking about developing a whole new family range of engines for helicopters and transport aircraft from very big to small... and they have clearly developed very small engines for various cruise missile designs too.

    I suspect they know what they are doing.

    Is there any news on this class of engines?

    And what about the VK-800?

    10 years ago it was..."close to certification"...

    Is it a dead project and it will be instead replaced by something else?

    http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/83601/russia’s-klimov-unveils-affordable-turboshaft.html
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    Re: Ka-226 and Kazan Ansat LUHs

    Post  d_taddei2 on Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:08 pm

    Does anyone know if Russia will purchase Ansat 2C?
    I know they have the ka-52 scout/attack but the 2RC could still be useful as a recce heli or escort missions and would obviously be a lot cheaper but for the price there is drawbacks no armour, reduced speed, range and altitude but for the price and role it's still useful could also be carried on a small ship deck.
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    Re: Ka-226 and Kazan Ansat LUHs

    Post  George1 on Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:58 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:Does anyone know if Russia will purchase Ansat 2C?
    I know they have the ka-52 scout/attack but the 2RC could still be useful as a recce heli or escort missions and would obviously be a lot cheaper but for the price there is drawbacks no armour,  reduced speed, range and altitude but for the price and role it's still useful could also be carried on a small ship deck.

    unfortunately we have seen neither Ansat 2RC purchases nor Ka-60


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    Post  George1 on Wed Nov 01, 2017 10:40 pm

    Zhukovsky & Gagarin Academy of the Airforce(VVA) in Voronezh(ZVO) received 5 new Ansat-U trainer helicopters:

    http://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12149104@egNews


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    Re: Ka-226 and Kazan Ansat LUHs

    Post  d_taddei2 on Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:48 pm


    Russian Helicopters begins hot climate trials in Pakistan of Ansat helicopter


    http://www.janes.com/article/75379/russian-helicopters-begins-hot-climate-trials-in-pakistan-of-ansat-helicopter?utm_campaign=PC6110_E17%20DF%20NL%20Airforces%2007_11_17&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Eloqua
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    Post  AMCXXL on Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:02 pm

    George1 wrote:Zhukovsky & Gagarin Academy of the Airforce(VVA) in Voronezh(ZVO) received 5 new Ansat-U trainer helicopters:

    http://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12149104@egNews

    "As a result of the acceptance of the equipment, the helicopters will enter the training aviation base of the Air Force Academy stationed in the Saratov región"


    In Voronezh is the Factory pf VASO and also is the University of Aeromautical Engeniering
    The research institutions are not part of military districts of the Air Force

    The destination of this 5 helicopters is probably for the 626º UVP (Учебные Вертолеты Полк = Helicopter Teaching/Training Regiment ) located in Pugachev (Sarátov oblast) , part of the Syrizan military aviation Institute
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    Re: Ka-226 and Kazan Ansat LUHs

    Post  d_taddei2 on Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:39 pm

    On the issue of engine replacement couldnt Russia approach Iran? Iran does have in service bell 205,206,212,214, sea cobras,
    but also builds the following:
    Panha Shabaviz 2-75 (bell 205),
    Shahed-278 (bell 206)
    Panha 2091 "Toufan (bell AH-1J seacobra)

    The 205 or 206 engine could be used and for ansat 2RC the sea cobra engines. And it's unlikely that Iran and Russia would fall out and place sanctions on each other this would save Russia time and money. Although for the ka-60 I think they might need something with a bit more powerful.
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    Re: Ka-226 and Kazan Ansat LUHs

    Post  GarryB on Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:56 pm

    The US would likely claim ownership of those engine designs and therefore try to sue the Russian company that produced them for illegal copying.

    The Russians have a few engine programmes in development, many of which should create a few engines in different power classes.... not the end of the world.


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    Re: Ka-226 and Kazan Ansat LUHs

    Post  d_taddei2 on Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:01 pm

    GarryB wrote:The US would likely claim ownership of those engine designs and therefore try to sue the Russian company that produced them for illegal copying.

    The Russians have a few engine programmes in development, many of which should create a few engines in different power classes.... not the end of the world.

    But surely if that was the case and current US and Iran relations that US would sue Iran for making copies of there engines. But they haven't I am thinking it could save Russia quite a bit of money if they used instead of development and testing or something made from scratch
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    Re: Ka-226 and Kazan Ansat LUHs

    Post  GarryB on Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:21 am

    Makes more sense to build something you own the full rights to... is made the same way you make engines to the specs and requirements of your military... I doubt those old engines were metric so you need a whole different tool set to work with them.

    Iran is not exporting those helos or those engines in enormous numbers, but if the Russian military started using variants of those engines the US would jump up and down immediately because they are spoilt little brats that don't share and take every opportunity to put other down... as you know full well.

    These Iranian engines are probably very nice but likely not state of the art, so it makes sense for Russia to use new technology and fill the gaps in its arsenal itself without outside interference or influence.


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